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PostSubject: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 04, 2021 4:12 pm

If Adam didn't kill himself and was put on trial, could he have pleaded insanity and been sentenced to an Institution? I think with all of his mental issues (autism, anorexia, possible shizophrenia and psychosis), he could have stood a fair chance of being able to plead insanity if he was put on trial.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 04, 2021 4:39 pm

Probably not. I’m not really familiar with US laws since I’m not American, but I think Adam would have been declared legally sane just like James Holmes, Kip Kinkel, Jared Loughner and other mass shooters who are also very mentally ill. IIRC a perpetrator can only be considered insane if he or she completely lost touch with reality and had no understanding of his/her actions, which wasn’t the case with Adam.
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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 04, 2021 5:34 pm

lognifiiskurk wrote:
If Adam didn't kill himself and was put on trial, could he have pleaded insanity and been sentenced to an Institution? I think with all of his mental issues (autism, anorexia, possible shizophrenia and psychosis), he could have stood a fair chance of being able to plead insanity if he was put on trial.

They'd never put him in an institution simply because of the shock value of the crime.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 04, 2021 5:59 pm

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They'd never put him in an institution simply because of the shock value of the crime.

Yeah, that too. Even if all of his victims had been adults, 27 (including Nancy) is still a high kill count, and killing children is so much worse. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 04, 2021 10:10 pm

Mentally ill isn't criminally insane. However distorted his thinking (and as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, others were far more distorted) as long as he knew what he was doing, that it was illegal / wrong, and knew of the consequences, he would be treated as sane. Hell, 14 year old Andrew "I Died Four Years Ago, None Of This Is Real" Wurst killed just one and got 30-60 years.

However, it's as much a question of "could he" as "would he," and I doubt he would. If he got Kinkel'd and was taken down by a teacher or something, I believe he would exhaust every possible resource to commit suicide in prison before turning to the justice system and pleasing guilty, driving the case to the death penalty if possible. Given the crime (Dylann Roof killed 9 a third as many adults and may be given the death penalty,) I could see it being granted. There was no way he was letting himself be taken alive.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 04, 2021 11:31 pm

Looks like death penalty wouldn’t be an option for him though.

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On April 25, 2012, Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy signed Senate Bill 280 (​2012), ending the state's death penalty.
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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeMon Jul 05, 2021 1:13 am

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeMon Jul 05, 2021 6:24 am

Doubt it.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeWed Jul 14, 2021 10:53 am

I think he would have a good chance, especially if they would produce those private messages where he admitted to experiencing delusions.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeFri Sep 16, 2022 2:47 pm

I think that he knew what he was doing and had planned the attack methodically, so getting an insanity plea would be impossible, especially after killing 20+ children.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeFri Jan 13, 2023 5:03 pm

"What Happens When I Plead Insanity? Usually, a defendant will need to have a complete mental evaluation as a first step when claiming insanity as a legal defense. Psychiatrists or psychologists will take the witness stand in your court case. They will testify about your likely state of mind at the time of the offense."

"they will testify about your likely state of mind at the time of the offense"
we all know that during his attack he was yelling insensitively to his victims and would probably been put in an institution for that same reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeMon Jan 23, 2023 11:14 am

I wish he DID go to prison. Then maybe we'd get interviews with him (but that's just wishful thinking, he's a freak and would probably refuse). And cute prison letters! <3

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeMon Feb 20, 2023 12:27 pm

He himself said in his CulturalPhillistine videos that he would be locked up in a mental facility for all the suicide and pedophilia stuff he said there, even before the shooting. Also this might be irrevelant, but he would probably kill himself while in custody anyway because he knew how shit pedophiles are treated, especially when caught (a good example is Nathan Larson).
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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeMon Feb 20, 2023 5:27 pm

I think he could've and it may have worked. He had measurable brain damage from malnutrition iirc and was diagnosed with Autism and OCD. Not only that, but I think him being in a mental institution would've been the outcome he most deserved. People think that Adam Lanza was evil on some metaphysical basis lol. The fact is that he wasn't an irredeemable monster, his issues just went untreated. There's many such cases of this happening. I think life in prison and the death penalty should be reserved for people who are genuinely anti-social and evil.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeMon Feb 20, 2023 7:58 pm

American juries virtually always find the most obviously insane mass murder defendants guilty, even for much lower profile crimes than Sandy Hook. If Jared Loughner and Travis Reinking were sentenced to prison, Lanza certainly would've been too simply because of the magnitude of what he did.

And to digress a little, I think it's more likely than not he would've been executed by the police on the spot even if he'd tried to turn himself in.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeMon Feb 20, 2023 10:48 pm

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American juries virtually always find the most obviously insane mass murder defendants guilty, even for much lower profile crimes than Sandy Hook. If Jared Loughner and Travis Reinking were sentenced to prison, Lanza certainly would've been too simply because of the magnitude of what he did.

Yeah, generally speaking if you're mentally ill and accused of a crime in the US, virtually the only way you're going into a mental institution is if you're declared unfit for trial, like Dimitri Pagourtzis. Even then they'll still put you on trial if you've recovered to any degree since you were placed in custody.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeTue Feb 21, 2023 1:31 am

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His dad had the resources to assemble a good legal team. It would have been one hell of a trial to watch.

But they would have been defending the undefendable, but that is what defence lawyers do.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeTue Feb 21, 2023 10:32 am

I feel like he would've been railroaded into pleading guilty by everyone around him.

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PostSubject: Re: Could Adam have pleaded insanity?   Could Adam have pleaded insanity? Icon_minitimeWed Feb 22, 2023 12:16 am

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I feel like he would've been railroaded into pleading guilty by everyone around him.

Most likely, but I wonder if he would’ve held out hope that CT would bring back the death penalty for a crime of his nature (it was only abolished months before) and tried to get it by going to trial. Maybe a bit unrealistic for it to happen but Adam wasn’t exactly a straight thinker anyway.

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