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Subject: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:41 am
Mass and school attacks are becoming more and more ideological, partisan and less necessarily linked to bullying although it is also a factor in some cases, but even that is changing. The media has long made columbine a gateway to the study of mass attacks, but attacks such as Pekka's Eric Auvinen, Cho, Elliot Rodger and others are taking on more and more relevance. it can be seen even in the media itself that columbine is becoming increasingly irrelevant. another proof of this is that around mass shooters like Elliot Rodger, there is an official cult, and a widespread interest. people are less and less caring about things like Bullying, and focusing on other problems like political, sexual and family. and in fact, columbine was not even the most striking in the usa. Attacks such as Unabomber and Oklahoma were much more relevant and impactful than Columbine and this is quickly demonstrating. 20 years from now, the columbine research will be the equivalent of the mass attacks of the 1950s.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:47 am
And rightfully so, people should finally focus on cases like Christchurch instead of continuing crying over two dead kikes for the last 20+ years.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:30 pm
Yes. I enjoy suicide stories and cases more than school shooter big or small. But eventually those interests will fade and new interests will come.
Or i'm just a lazy cunt who doesn't bother in reading or researching events on the internet.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:37 pm
The interest in the above attacks will remain due to the ideological bias of each one, but columbine is a thing of the past. even the Westside attack was more impactful. I frankly don't understand why the media through shows and movies do so much material with columbine.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:39 pm
Wanderer wrote:
And rightfully so, people should finally focus on cases like Christchurch instead of continuing crying over two dead kikes for the last 20+ years.
nowadays the last one who was totally influenced by columbine was Andrew Blaze. any other shooter despite having had contact with columbine, was not totally influenced like him. and now as I said, the Bullying thing is being left out.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:41 pm
Pekka wrote:
Wanderer wrote:
And rightfully so, people should finally focus on cases like Christchurch instead of continuing crying over two dead kikes for the last 20+ years.
nowadays the last one who was totally influenced by columbine was Andrew Blaze. any other shooter despite having had contact with columbine, was not totally influenced like him. and now as I said, the Bullying thing is being left out.
Vladislav Roslyakov was also directly influenced by Columbine.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:44 pm
ZAVANZK wrote:
Pekka wrote:
Wanderer wrote:
And rightfully so, people should finally focus on cases like Christchurch instead of continuing crying over two dead kikes for the last 20+ years.
nowadays the last one who was totally influenced by columbine was Andrew Blaze. any other shooter despite having had contact with columbine, was not totally influenced like him. and now as I said, the Bullying thing is being left out.
Vladislav Roslyakov was also directly influenced by Columbine.
It's true, and Arytom also among other smaller ones, but they didn't have huge repercussions. and comparing to other attacks, literally by far none of them compare to the others. nowadays, the biggest perpetrators of mass attacks are the incel, redpill communities and ideological supremacists of all types. the True Crime Community is becoming more of a cult than a thought.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:46 pm
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:51 pm
Pekka wrote:
ZAVANZK wrote:
Pekka wrote:
Wanderer wrote:
And rightfully so, people should finally focus on cases like Christchurch instead of continuing crying over two dead kikes for the last 20+ years.
nowadays the last one who was totally influenced by columbine was Andrew Blaze. any other shooter despite having had contact with columbine, was not totally influenced like him. and now as I said, the Bullying thing is being left out.
Vladislav Roslyakov was also directly influenced by Columbine.
It's true, and Arytom also among other smaller ones, but they didn't have huge repercussions. and comparing to other attacks, literally by far none of them compare to the others. nowadays, the biggest perpetrators of mass attacks are the incel, redpill communities and ideological supremacists of all types. the True Crime Community is becoming more of a cult than a thought.
The true crime community today is literally an ancestor cult linked to murderers and shooters. there's nothing more to it that isn't a religious repercussion to it. you can see that there are even altars dedicated to countless of them. Of course, it's still not an official cult, but in the coming years, I have no doubt that they will transform into something almost religious. Another thing: the idea of ancestor worship is an old notion, but one that is used today mainly in the Far East.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:54 pm
Broadly agree, I think rampage killings in general and Columbine in particular are losing their relevance in an era of heightened political polarization and societal decline. The edgy, in your face nihilism of shooters past is getting replaced as people look to be a part of something greater than themselves and gain more relevance than they would otherwise.
Pekka wrote:
attacks such as Pekka's Eric Auvinen, Cho, Elliot Rodger and others are taking on more and more relevance.
Disagree on those except Rodger. I feel like ER is going to be seen as a canary in the coal mine considering how many men are becoming single virgins now. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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20 years from now, the columbine research will be the equivalent of the mass attacks of the 1950s.
I presume this in reference to Charles Starkweather? I think that’s a fair characterization.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:58 pm
QuestionMark wrote:
Broadly agree, I think rampage killings in general and Columbine in particular are losing their relevance in an era of heightened political polarization and societal decline. The edgy, in your face nihilism of shooters past is getting replaced as people look to be a part of something greater than themselves and gain more relevance than they would otherwise.
Pekka wrote:
attacks such as Pekka's Eric Auvinen, Cho, Elliot Rodger and others are taking on more and more relevance.
Disagree on those except Rodger. I feel like ER is going to be seen as a canary in the coal mine considering how many men are becoming single virgins now. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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20 years from now, the columbine research will be the equivalent of the mass attacks of the 1950s.
I presume this in reference to Charles Starkweather? I think that’s a fair characterization.
friend, of all the columbine attacks it is becoming the most irrelevant of them. Sandy Hook too. Pekka Eric Auvinen, Cho and Elliot will certainly last for a long time, mainly because their attacks were political/social for exactly the reason you gave. however, another extremely important thing that I even mentioned in other threads, is that these figures are literally becoming "focuses of religious worship." we already had the case of Karma Hietanen and Matti Saari in finland and other cases like Missarian in canada. I see the thing literally becoming ritualistic attacks as these movements become an increasingly radical mix of personality cult, esotericism and unorthodox politics.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:00 pm
Hietanen was almost the fourth  school shooter in Finland. she wanted to make a "great sacrifice" to Pekka Eric Auvinen and kill herself so that in the afterlife, they would become the perfect couple. before that, she had made an altar for him, offered blood on the tomb and other things and even picked dirt from the grave to take home to calm down.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:03 pm
and she's alive and free and I doubt she forgot about Pekka
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:07 pm
most of the attacks today of great degree are ritualistic and personality cult. the idea of genuine attacks is long gone. and I say more: we are approaching a scenario equivalent to the movie In a Mouth of Madness
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:11 pm
and of course, series like Dahmer's, I don't believe they influence but activate that dark side in countless people. Hydrophilia exploded. and with the population growing, prepare for massive new waves of violence and the rise of dark cults and suicides everywhere.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:47 pm
Pekka wrote:
friend, of all the columbine attacks it is becoming the most irrelevant of them. Sandy Hook too. Pekka Eric Auvinen, Cho and Elliot will certainly last for a long time, mainly because their attacks were political/social for exactly the reason you gave. however, another extremely important thing that I even mentioned in other threads, is that these figures are literally becoming "focuses of religious worship." we already had the case of Karma Hietanen and Matti Saari in finland and other cases like Missarian in canada. I see the thing literally becoming ritualistic attacks as these movements become an increasingly radical mix of personality cult, esotericism and unorthodox politics.
I always thought it was strange Pekka has the following he does. He was never of interest to me. Is there any equivalent following for Cho? I can think of only one attacker who explicitly named Cho as a role model (Wellington de Olivera).
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:49 pm
Elliot admired Cho to the point where he had two YouTube channels named after him. so he was also directly inspired by Cho and the attacks on xingiang in china.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:52 pm
QuestionMark wrote:
Pekka wrote:
friend, of all the columbine attacks it is becoming the most irrelevant of them. Sandy Hook too. Pekka Eric Auvinen, Cho and Elliot will certainly last for a long time, mainly because their attacks were political/social for exactly the reason you gave. however, another extremely important thing that I even mentioned in other threads, is that these figures are literally becoming "focuses of religious worship." we already had the case of Karma Hietanen and Matti Saari in finland and other cases like Missarian in canada. I see the thing literally becoming ritualistic attacks as these movements become an increasingly radical mix of personality cult, esotericism and unorthodox politics.
I always thought it was strange Pekka has the following he does. He was never of interest to me. Is there any equivalent following for Cho? I can think of only one attacker who explicitly named Cho as a role model (Wellington de Olivera).
Pekka is interesting to some because he is manifest antisocial intellectualism itself. so he is seen as the most intelligent, in addition to the emotional issue. and Karma felt a sentimental attraction to him due to all of this.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:06 pm
Pekka wrote:
QuestionMark wrote:
Pekka wrote:
friend, of all the columbine attacks it is becoming the most irrelevant of them. Sandy Hook too. Pekka Eric Auvinen, Cho and Elliot will certainly last for a long time, mainly because their attacks were political/social for exactly the reason you gave. however, another extremely important thing that I even mentioned in other threads, is that these figures are literally becoming "focuses of religious worship." we already had the case of Karma Hietanen and Matti Saari in finland and other cases like Missarian in canada. I see the thing literally becoming ritualistic attacks as these movements become an increasingly radical mix of personality cult, esotericism and unorthodox politics.
I always thought it was strange Pekka has the following he does. He was never of interest to me. Is there any equivalent following for Cho? I can think of only one attacker who explicitly named Cho as a role model (Wellington de Olivera).
Pekka is interesting to some because he is manifest antisocial intellectualism itself. so he is seen as the most intelligent, in addition to the emotional issue. and Karma felt a sentimental attraction to him due to all of this.
I honestly never understood why people think of Pekka as some revolutionary figure, he was into politics and had lots of opinions which he shared but to me he only comes off as another pseudo-intellectual edgelord school shooter. Another thing to note is that he wanted to be regarded as a political terrorist, yet clearly copies Columbine/Eric Harris with the custom t-shirt, beginning to listen to KMFDM, YouTube handle, and some of his ideas were almost directly out of Harris' writings.
To me it becomes apparent that Pekka, while politically oriented, did his attack for less grandiose reasons like alienation and bullying by peers, depression and an overall dark outlook on life, and probably felt like he could relate to or looked up to Harris. As such, I mostly look at him as just another school shooter more so than a political terrorist.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:11 pm
bro, the issue of wearing shirts is not an attribute of columbine. Pekka knew numerous political attacks and incidents and made videos about them, and even about pacifists like Pentti Linkola, who was a real influence on him. the Oklahoma attack and 9/11 influenced him much more. Literally of Intellectual influence, Pekka didn't take anything from Columbine, but from philosophical thinkers like Linkola I mentioned, Nietzche, Socrates and others. I made an article about all the videos that are found today of him, I recommend viewing. he also knew unabomber and others and despite having cataloged Harris in the super human category in one of his videos, he was not his inspiration.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:13 pm
and actually columbine's attack was used by him much more because of his misanthropy than really sentimental attachment to it. when you are a revolutionary misanthrope, any recorded incident of attack becomes attractive. and he only attacked a school because he knew it would make a huge impact and be marked.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:14 pm
Pekka Eric Auvinen Three Kinds of Humans: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Pekka-Eric Auvinen - Dumb Nutzies - Spike Jones and his City Slickers: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Pekka-Eric Auvinen - The Republic of Plato: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Pekka-Eric Auvinen - Tanks of Tyranny: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Pekka-Eric Auvinen - Moral Majority & Democracy: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Pekka-Eric Auvinen - WW2 RTS Online: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Aristotle on Slavery: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Pekka-Eric Auvinen defense (Re: Social "so-called" Darwinism): [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:16 pm
and another thing: Columbine did not give rise to absolutely nothing. Naming weapons, creating clothes, attacking with bombs, shooting, all this happened and happened in previous attacks, even with greater repercussions. it was the media that made this mysticism over columbine.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:18 pm
the biggest influence Pekka had was Pentti Linkola.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:19 pm
that despite being a pacifist, he accepted any kind of thing that caused a population decrease. in this way, Pekka was the manifest revolutionary side of Linkola's ideas, added to that of other thinkers.
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Subject: Re: Columbine is rapidly losing relevance. Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:21 pm
I agree that Columbine has a pathetic amount of attention for something that happened 23 years ago.
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