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PostSubject: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 7:04 am



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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 7:13 am

Transcript of the Video:

"Hi, Elliot Rodger here. Well, this is my last video. It all has to come to this. Tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day I will have my revenge against humanity, against all of you.

For the last eight years of my life, since I hit puberty, I’ve been forced to endure an existence of loneliness, rejection and unfulfilled desires, all because girls have never been attracted to me. Girls gave their affection and sex and love to other men, never to me.

I’m 22 years old and still a virgin, never even kissed a girl. And through college, 2 1/2 years, more than that actually, I’m still a virgin. It has been very torturous.

College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. In those years I’ve had to rot in loneliness, it’s not fair.

You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me but I will punish you all for it. It’s an injustice, a crime because I don’t know what you don’t see in me, I’m the perfect guy and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman. I will punish all of you for it. [laughs]

On the day of retribution, I am going to enter the hottest sorority house at UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond slut I see inside there. All those girls I’ve desired so much. They have all rejected me and looked down on me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance toward them, while they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes.

I take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you., You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one, the true alpha male. [laughs] Yes, after I have annihilated every single girl in the sorority house, I’ll take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person I see there. All those popular kids who live such lives of hedonistic pleasure while I’ve had to rot in loneliness all these years. They all look down upon me every time I tried to join them, they’ve all treated me like a mouse.

Well, now I will be a god compared to you, you will all be animals, you are animals and I will slaughter you like animals. I’ll be a god exacting my retribution on all those who deserve it and you do deserve it just for the crime of living a better life than me.

The popular kids, you never accepted me and now you will all pay for it. Girls, all I ever wanted was to love you, be loved by you. I wanted a girlfriend. I wanted sex, love, affection, adoration.

You think I’m unworthy of you. That’s I crime I can never get over. If I can’t have you girls, I will destroy you. [laughs] You denied me a happy life and in turn I will deny all of you life, it’s only fair. I hate all of you.

Humanity is a disgusting, wretched, depraved species. If I had it in my power I would stop at nothing to reduce every single one of you to mountains of skulls and rivers of blood and rightfully so. You deserve to be annihilated and I will give that to you. You never showed me any mercy so I will show you none. [laughs]

You forced me to suffer all my life, now I will make you all suffer. I waited a long time for this. I’ll give you exactly what you deserve, all of you. All you girls who rejected me, looked down upon me, you know, treated me like scum while you gave yourselves to other men. And all of you men for living a better life than me, all of you sexually active men. I hate you. I hate all of you. I can’t wait to give you exactly what you deserve, annihilation.”
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 8:07 am

He sounds so programmed and detached.

At this time, to me, that indicates that he was truly void of any semblance of emotion, or on the other extreme end of the spectrum, this was an act.

There is just something so "rehearsed" about this, and the fact that he comes from a family that has ties in Hollywood/films makes that element even more curious to me.

But again, if someone can garner the mindset to do such a thing, they are completely "switched off" mentally and emotionally, and that is why they would sound like that.

I have known an immense number of incredibly disturbed, shattered people throughout almost all of my life, and I have known severe drug users for more than half of my life. The things I have witnessed them do, and the things that have come out of their mouths are indescribable. However, none of them ever sounded as removed as this guy. Not one of them.

When I say these different people I have known were messed up, I mean they were utterly and entirely out of their minds, often on drugs or desperate to get their drugs, or they were just completely destroyed souls for other reasons-- who were losing all contact with reality. But not one of them ever sounded like this; that tone he has.

I wonder if this soulless, switched off, checked out, completely disconnected tone was similar to how Dylan and Eric sounded during the massacre.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 10:03 am

It's insane how he sounds like a mash-up of Dylan and Eric. Revenge against wretched humanity, popular kids/girls rejecting him, how he's a supreme human being, a god compared to them etc etc. Even his fake laughter sounds like Dylan's in the Radioactive clothes video.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 12:52 pm

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A graphic Elliot Rodger posted somewhere:

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His voice definitive is odd, yes. And his laughter sounds very fake, like he wanted to imitate a sinister evil mastermind laughter from a movie.

Hi, Thanks for starting this thread.

Where do you have this graphic from? Can you post a link?

Here is a link to the full retribution video: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (The one you posted is only 6.25 long and this here is 6.56.)

This guy also posted his manifesto called "My Twisted World": [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 1:32 pm

@Dunkelziffer wrote:
Hale-Bopp wrote:
A graphic Elliot Rodger posted somewhere:




His voice definitive is odd, yes. And his laughter sounds very fake, like he wanted to imitate a sinister evil mastermind laughter from a movie.

Hi, Thanks for starting this thread.

Where do you have this graphic from? Can you post a link?

Here is a link to the full retribution video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a44_1400927090 (The one you posted is only 6.25 long and this here is 6.56.)

This guy also posted his manifesto called "My Twisted World": http://de.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto

And his youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/ElliotRodger and his facebook https://www.facebook.com/elliot.rodger.3 are still up.


Its from this article: http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.mirror.co.uk%2Fincoming%2Farticle3602460.ece%2Falternates%2Fs615%2FElliot-Rodger.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld-news%2Fcalifornia-shooter-elliot-rodger-vowed-3603730&h=409&w=615&tbnid=UITvf76mQWlBNM%3A&zoom=1&docid=ZNc-h0FcptW82M&hl=de&ei=4CiCU6y-LILd4QSTr4CoDw&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=1379&page=1&start=0&ndsp=6&ved=0CFkQrQMwAA

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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 1:41 pm

I now came across several articles who say, that Elliot Rodger had Asperger. That may be the reason for his unusual voice.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 4:49 pm

I watched a few of his videos this afternoon.

The way he talks in the park and the first part of the golf course video did make me feel quite bad for him. Quite bad indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 6:59 pm

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I watched a few of his videos this afternoon.

The way he talks in the park and the first part of the golf course video did make me feel quite bad for him. Quite bad indeed.

I felt the same way especially when he mentions how incredibly lonely he is. And how his life is filled with misery.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone see any similarities between him and E/D? I think his deep longing to find love, a girlfriend, companionship sounded very similar to Dylan. He was a virgin who never kissed anyone and it wouldn't surprise me if Dylan never kissed anyone either. Plus he ranted about how much he hated humanity, how he was superior to his classmates and wanted revenge which also reminded me of E/D.

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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 7:36 pm

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I watched a few of his videos this afternoon.

The way he talks in the park and the first part of the golf course video did make me feel quite bad for him. Quite bad indeed.

I felt the same way especially when he mentions how incredibly lonely he is. And how his life is filled with misery.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone see any similarities between him and E/D? I think his deep longing to find love, a girlfriend, companionship sounded very similar to Dylan. He was a virgin who never kissed anyone and it wouldn't surprise me if  Dylan never kissed anyone either. Plus he ranted  about how much he hated humanity, how he was superior to his classmates and wanted revenge which also reminded me of E/D.

Yes, he has some similarities with them. But for some reason, I don't believe E+D did behave that awkward...sure, the only possibility to really know this would be too see the Basement Tapes. But in his "Why do girls hate me?"-Video, Elliot simply appears so totally out of it. He behaves like he is acting really bad, but at the same time, he seems to have no awareness about how bizarre his way of talking is. Especially, when he tries to be arrogant or gives his strange villain-laughter. I don't know if this was because of Aspergers or something else, but he seems really, really odd for me. I still feel sorry for him.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 10:24 pm

I've read some of his manifesto.  He was a vile piece of garbage, and I don't feel one ounce of sympathy for him.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 10:42 pm

I feel so bad for this guy, thats what rejection from the society does and is very sad. I am also agree about how he awkward and odd he spoke in the video and acted, it seems a bit rehearsed too or at least already thought but it could be for the awareness of his voice. I find similarities with Eric and Dylan too, specially with Eric because this guy seemed to have the same narcissistic problem that Eric had and that is a result of the same rejection that they have experienced, also I find similarities with the sex situation and women rejection because Eric and Dylan went through the same. But two of the three victims already identified are girls and I wouldnt be surprise if most of the 6 victims are girls and the targets while the shooting was happening were girls as resentment for the things that he said on the video, while Eric andn Dylan targeted everybody on the shooting. Of course, I am only speculating but it really wouldnt surprise me at all because I feel, with the graphic that he made and the things that said, that it could be possible.

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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Sun May 25, 2014 11:19 pm

He talks about wanting to murder his little brother because the thought of his little brother having a more successful life than him is too much.

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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 4:56 am

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I've read some of his manifesto.  He was a vile piece of garbage, and I don't feel one ounce of sympathy for him.

I agree with you about him being a vile piece of garbage.

I'm not sure what it was in his videos that made me feel bad on him. I'd guess it was just with the way he talked and what he (excluding the murderous comments) said enabled me to see why people didn't want anything to do with him. And that makes me sad and a little disappointed in myself for thinking that way.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 11:51 am

The complete manifesto:

Manifesto

Right now, I'm reading his manifesto. And wow, he sounds so insane and obsessed with sex..

I can't say that I feel bad for this guy.



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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 1:36 pm

Is it me or is this Eric Harris 2.0?
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 2:50 pm

Coincidence?
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 2:53 pm

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Is it me or is this Eric Harris 2.0?

They're similar in some ways. I'd be ready to believe Rodger copied straight from Eric Harris' ideas with the manifesto and the videos like many shooters have done before. The ranting about women and people who don't deserve to live, the narcissistic anger, the morning ride video even (although that one was Dylan's).

Only thing is, no doubt Eric and Dylan would have thought his music choice ''really gay''. Whitney Houston? George Michael? There sure are similarities between the two, some of them may even be calculated to appear like Eric. Other than that, the two stand apart in tastes and personality. And they don't have the same family background nor did they run in the same circles (Hollywood, etc.).

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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 3:55 pm

I didn't read too far into his Manifesto yet, but he certainly starts to give me an Eric-like vibe now, in the way he speaks about his childhood.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 4:40 pm

Here's some information about the victims:
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 6:24 pm

Yes Eric and Rodger are kind of similar, but I watched his videos today and although both were narsisistic and suffered of women's rejection, I notice that while Eric's anger was against everybody and always complained about the rejection from everybody that he was suffering, Rodger was more superficial and complained more in his videos about the "gorgeous blonde" girls that ignored him and the "loser" guys that have a girlfriend while he that is so "awesome" doesnt. Eric complained about women's rejection too but not always like him, he could had a resentment against everyone too but specially in those blonde girls that didnt want to be with him. Also, I am agree, their taste in music are too different and for Eric and Dylan, he could be very "gay".

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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 7:29 pm

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Only thing is, no doubt Eric and Dylan would have thought his music choice ''really gay''. Whitney Houston? George Michael? There sure are similarities between the two, some of them may even be calculated to appear like Eric. Other than that, the two stand apart in tastes and personality. And they don't have the same family background nor did they run in the same circles (Hollywood, etc.).

True. Rodger's aggression and hatred bear many parallel's to Eric Harris', but it seemed to nothing more than a play. His giggle/laugh was clearly put on. Eric's hatred was more pure, especially in the Hitmen for Hire video when he's ranting. Either way, RIP to the victims of the incident.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 9:26 pm

...So 7 people, including this "Supreme Gentleman" had to die, because he couldn't get it through his thick head that girls aren't obligated to have sex with him? Why the hell is anyone supporting this guy? I'm pretty sure if he didn't do the shooting, everyone would just laugh at him for being another whiny white boy who cries about the friendzone and how he's a "nice guy".
"If I can’t have you girls, I will destroy you. [laughs]"
Yep, what a nice guy over here. Apparently, it's a crime for girls to say no to people they aren't interested in. Men can sleep peacefully at night, even when saying no, and women get stabbed or shot.
I bet he wouldn't have been a possessive, abusive boyfriend even if someone came to love him. Nope, not at all! He couldn't even wait a few more years for some girl to come along, so instead, he gunned down a few people and then committed suicide.
Plus, his manifesto sounds so poorly written. You can clearly see he was trying to sound evil but he failed at that too. I have no idea why he's being compared to E&D. Even Eric & Dylan were a bit more honest than that. Better writers, higher intelligence. The only thing they all had in common was being downright sexist.
In short, I hope rigor mortis gets him right in the dick. (As well as other parts of his body while he rots.)
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Mon May 26, 2014 9:53 pm

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...So 7 people, including this "Supreme Gentleman" had to die, because he couldn't get it through his thick head that girls aren't obligated to have sex with him? Why the hell is anyone supporting this guy? I'm pretty sure if he didn't do the shooting, everyone would just laugh at him for being another whiny white boy who cries about the friendzone and how he's a "nice guy".
"If I can’t have you girls, I will destroy you. [laughs]"
Yep, what a nice guy over here. Apparently, it's a crime for girls to say no to people they aren't interested in. Men can sleep peacefully at night, even when saying no, and women get stabbed or shot.
I bet he wouldn't have been a possessive, abusive boyfriend even if someone came to love him. Nope, not at all! He couldn't even wait a few more years for some girl to come along, so instead, he gunned down a few people and then committed suicide.
Plus, his manifesto sounds so poorly written. You can clearly see he was trying to sound evil but he failed at that too. I have no idea why he's being compared to E&D. Even Eric & Dylan were a bit more honest than that. Better writers, higher intelligence. The only thing they all had in common was being downright sexist.
In short, I hope rigor mortis gets him right in the dick. (As well as other parts of his body while he rots.)

Where in his Manifesto does he try to sound evil? Im now at the point where he reaches puberty and until now it is a sad and intimate portray of a sensitive and lonely boy, which I can't do otherwise as of course feel sorry for. And I can't agree, that it shows no signs of intelligence, he clearly tries to give an accurate picture of the circumstances, which he feels to be as causes for his development. For example, I definitive think he has a point in stating that children usually treat each other equal and fair, while this condition gets lost as soon as puberty takes the lead.
And sure he was not "nice". Mass Shooters are not nice per definition, because murdering other people isn't exactly an expression of altruism and kindness. But I don't see how he is in any form any more assholish than all these other perpetrators, just because his hate was centered around women, rather than against mankind, society etc.
I can only imagine how it must feel, to be a virgin or to have never kissed a girl at the age of 22, when it is something you desire with such an intense. Sure, girls were not obligated to have sex with him. But were the kids at Columbine obligated to like or accept Eric and Dylan? No. But I bet most people would agree with me, that they can understand the level of hurt it must have caused for Eric and Dylan.

Does this sound for you, like the writings of someone who simply "couldn't get in his head, that girls didnt want to fuck him"?
For me it does sound like the writing of someone, who clearly had an obvious and severe disorder:

Elliot Rodger wrote:
At this camp, an incident happened that would scar me for life. The first time that I was treated badly by a girl occurred at this camp. I was innocently playing with the friends I made, and they were tickling me, something people always did because I was very ticklish. I accidently bumped into a pretty girl the same age as me, and she got very angry. She cursed at me and pushed me, embarrassing me in front of my friends. I didn’t know who this girl was... She was only at Pinecrest for summer camp... But she was very pretty, and she was taller than me. I immediately froze up and went into a state of shock. One of my friends asked me if I was ok, and I didn’t answer. I remained very quiet for the rest of the day.

I couldn’t believe what had happened. Cruel treatment from women is ten times worse than from men. It made me feel like an insignificant, unworthy little mouse. I felt so small and vulnerable. I couldn’t believe that this girl was so horrible to me, and I thought that it was because she viewed me as a loser. That was the first experience of female cruelty I endured, and it traumatized me to no end. It made me even more nervous around girls, and I would be extremely weary and cautious of them from that point on.


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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Tue May 27, 2014 2:28 am

George Sodini

Marc Lépine (born Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi)

Elliot Rodger

All 3 of these shooters were driven by their hatred for women


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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Tue May 27, 2014 10:31 am

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George Sodini

Marc Lépine (born Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi)

Elliot Rodger

All 3 of these shooters were driven by their hatred for women


Yes, I see alot of resemblance between this guy and George Sodini. I believe we have spoken about one attributes of most spree killers is the desire to be loved/have sex yet unable to achieve it as a factor is the shooting.

Harris
Klebold
Cho
Sodini
Rodger

I am sure there are more, but off the top of my head these all come to mind.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Tue May 27, 2014 10:39 am

I once tried to collect all information about Mass Shooters and Love/Sex/Girls, I could find. Of course, the list is still incomplete, since you could include basically every Mass Shooter in it. I don't think there is a single one, who did not experience a great amount of frustration in that field:

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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Tue May 27, 2014 1:59 pm

Just thought this was worth a mention. Not sure if any Brits saw the 6 o'clock news tonight but there was a short interview with Coni Sanders (Dave Sanders daughter) The segment was mainly talking about failures in the mental health treatment and mass shooters.
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Wed May 28, 2014 6:50 pm

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And thanks for the other links!

Thank you for the link!
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PostSubject: Re: Isla Vista University Shooting 05/23/13   Wed May 28, 2014 7:09 pm

I think he either was a homosexual or bisexual and that he hated that so much about himself that he would try to surpress these feelings. So maybe he didnt hate girls at all but just wouldnt admit the fact he was gay/bi and used it as a cover (since the majority of his victims were male)
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