Sandy Hook motives

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I definitely remember feeling actual nausea while hearing descriptions of that entire situation. I'm pretty much numb to most crimes. I've experienced and seen a lot of violence in my life, but for whatever reason, Sandy Hook literally caused me to have 2 actual nightmares..

I know I seem callous since other massacres barely affect me, but this was beyond comprehension.

Sgt William F Cario removed the pile of childrens' bodies out of the bathroom in Room [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

It definitely would be traumatic for anybody.

You have to wonder if it was a quick end. Or if he had ANY second thoughts during. It's hard to.imagine anyone shooting tiny children with no expression or empathy at all.

Considering it was only 6 minutes from the first shot to the last ... I don't think he spent much time considering what he had done ...

good point. The thoughts during these are what I wonder about the most.

Violenta wrote:

You have to wonder if it was a quick end. Or if he had ANY second thoughts during. It's hard to.imagine anyone shooting tiny children with no expression or empathy at all.

I honestly don't think he did. He was too far gone, his mind was all over the place and he had some serious mental issues. With the time taken and the amount dead, we can see that he really went for it. If he had been feeling any regret, he probably wouldn't have killed 26 kids. I wouldn't be surprised if it felt like nothing more than a video game to him, what with hallucinations and even possible undiagonsed schizophrenia or similar.

Violenta wrote:

Very true..his real motive died with him that day. As horrible as this sounds, I truly wish he'd have pulled the "normal" school shooting. Children have absolutely zero chance.

I don't think the high school students crouching fearfully under the desks at Columbine had much of a chance of surviving either had Harris and Klebold been intent on killing everyone like Lanza. Most victims at schools are defenceless when angry nutjobs come in brandishing weapons to kill people. That's why these shooters are cowards.

bubbles wrote:

Violenta wrote:

Very true..his real motive died with him that day. As horrible as this sounds, I truly wish he'd have pulled the "normal" school shooting. Children have absolutely zero chance.

I don't think the high school students crouching fearfully under the desks at Columbine had much of a chance of surviving either had Harris and Klebold been intent on killing everyone like Lanza. Most victims at schools are defenceless when angry nutjobs come in brandishing weapons to kill people. That's why these shooters are cowards.

I'd have to disagree with that - committing a crime as profound as a mass shooting requires a whole ton of bravery. Sure, many do it for the easy way out. But it takes a large amount of mental strength to go into a school or other environment with the intent of murder.

Eric and Dylan actually did attempt to 'kill everyone.' They both had written plans of blowing up as many people as they could, apart from a select few. The only reason that it didn't follow through was because the bombs failed to explode, even when shot at. It just goes to show that no matter how long they spend planning the massacre, they simply want to die and hurt those who have made them feel that way. The accuracy of the weapons is not their first priority.

explicit wrote:

I'd have to disagree with that - committing a crime as profound as a mass shooting requires a whole ton of bravery. Sure, many do it for the easy way out. But it takes a large amount of mental strength to go into a school or other environment with the intent of murder.

I can see what you're saying, but it actually would've taken more strength from them to continue on with their lives. I still think they are cowards for taking innocent people down with them - unarmed, defenceless people like I said. It's easy to be brave when you're armed to the hilt standing over kids who are essentially cornered, caught off guard and are powerless to defend themselves. Lanza in particular was petrified of being taken alive and killed himself without hesitation as soon as authorities stormed the school.

I have a difficult time with Sandy Hook. Of all the mass shooters, he's up there as one that terrifies me. His behavior, his mom mollycoddling his every whim and his overall persona is creepy and disturbing. He shoots his mother in cold blood in her sleep and proceeds to slaughter little children. After reading the report of the officer pulling the bodies from the pile, I can't feel anything but visceral disgust for Lanza. Sorry.

I've heavily researched most other mass shootings, bombings and major tragedies, and most you can make some sort of sense from what the killers leave behind. I'm not condoning what any of them have done, I'm simply saying they had a reason, however distorted, that makes sense if you study the event and person.

Lanza left nothing behind, besides his odd computer files and postings on online forums that don't include even a hint at what he was preparing to do. I shy away from this topic because it's, to me, one of the most disturbing.

Tomb wrote:

Lanza left nothing behind, besides his odd computer files and postings on online forums that don't include even a hint at what he was preparing to do. I shy away from this topic because it's, to me, one of the most disturbing.

I actually got a lot out of reading his online posts: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Adam was a complete mystery to me until I read them and gained some insight into his thoughts. The comments that stick out to me the most are the following:

Posted in a "You know what I hate!?!?" thread:

"Culture. I've been pissed out of my mind all night thinking about it. I should have been
born a chimp. I would even settle for a post-language hunter-gatherer society."

Followed by another post in the same thread:

"I spent all day ruminating over how much I hate culture. Now I've calmed down and am
left lying on the floor, numbly perplexed over the foreign concept of loving life."

And another:

"I hate how I spend 99% of my time upset about culture, when life itself is the problem.
Culture just adds insult to injury."

We all know he was mentally disturbed and sitting in his room, basically cut off from the world outside and stewing in his own pessimistic thoughts did him no favors.

I find it interesting how often the subject of paedophilia is brought up in his posts. Did he target children out of frustration? Did he target them because he hated humanity and children are the world's next generation? Did he target children because they were an easy target and were less likely to try and disarm him? Did he target young children because he knew this would set him apart from most American mass-shooters? Did he target children because he knew that some would find that fact even more repulsive, in order to say one last "fuck you" to society before he ended his own miserable existence?

One thing that really surprised me reading his posts and reading about him was (what I'm perceiving as - correct me if I'm wrong here) his empathy for animals.

Again, posted in the "You know what I hate!?!?" thread:

"I hate how life-apologists say (or rather, the very few of them who do anything other
than mock you), "Life isn't all suffering. What about the simple pleasures, like eating ice
cream?" They always use that example. Even if I didn't recognize the flaws in their assertion,
when I think of ice cream, I can only see a repugnant lump of pus crushed out of cows' bloody
nipples, who spend their entire lives confined in filth, where they're periodically raped so
that they're incessantly pregnant, after which their calves are seized from them, destined
to live the life of veal, with their only relief being an early death. From there, I always ride
the pessimism train down different tracks until it inevitably leads me to contemplating
over 500 million years of animals cannibalizing each other. Excuse me for not being
thrilled by the extra jimmies on my ice cream cone."

I remember reading some reports from Nancy Lanza's friends who said Adam apparently followed a strict vegan diet. If that's true, I wonder if he was vegan for ethical reasons? I note that the cookie recipe Adam posted is entirely dairy-free. If he really did care about animals, that's quite bizarre to me, as I've never heard of a mass-shooter caring about animals enough that they completely abstained from using animal products.

I've read a lot of his posts, and he is just someone I don't get at all. I guess it's the mass murder of children, which in my work brings a great deal of emotions, that I shy away from learning an awful lot about him.

Yeah, the guy was completely messed up, no doubt about it. His posts demonstrated that he was intelligent, eloquent and able to make valid points at times (I italicized those words because he had some really f**ked up, illogical views on things like the age of consent and was prone to generalizations and skewing virtually everything in a negative fashion), but the guy was so mentally ill he couldn't even function in reality in the most basic of ways. I guess that his isolation and inability to relate to most, if not all people just made things worse.

Another possible explanation that I didn't mention:

FlyerFan wrote:

afrrs wrote:

What were his motives ? The wikipedia page related to the event there is not a clear motive . Anyone have an idea about it ?

My personal belief is that he was obsessed with mass shootings and at some point reality stopped being reality and meshed with his obsession. He was a member of another Columbine forum that no longer exists but it is my understanding that he was a strange character there. (there is another thread in this same forum about that I think)

His posts definitely indicate he was fixated on particular subjects and people who (vaguely) knew him or Nancy described him as displaying severe OCD mannerisms.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Do you find him creepy? I know I sound like a wuss, but of all the tragedies I've studied, he's the worst to me. I read some of his online writings, and a lot of it makes me feel like a moron lol. Some of it is nonsensical.

I don't find him particularly creepy. To me, he was an incredibly mentally disturbed individual with several unusual elements to him and the way he lived his life. Because he chose to murder innocent people, I actually find him to be quite pathetic. Reading about him doesn't create any more uneasiness in me than what it does when reading about other mass shooters. I know that shooting tiny children is particularly vile and gutless, but I feel disgust towards any person who shoots an innocent, defenceless person. That's just so unbelievably weak.

Without (or even with) his guns, Adam was a scared, psychologically ill coward. Another piece of shit who I wish had been taken alive. I hope that the next fucker who tries something like this is overpowered or botches up their suicide attempt. I think with an increase in gun violence these days, perhaps we may see more people go into fight or flight mode when confronted by gunmen. Hopefully the police will also work on their efficiency in these types of situations, although I understand they responded quickly in the case of the Sandy Hook shooting.

How do we know Adam Lanza was mentally ill he could have been lying about his delusions to gain sympathy and have mitigating circustance for his crime.

"I just fucking hate this world, and the worms feeding on it's carcass" -Adam Lanza 2016

hate99 wrote:

"I just fucking hate this world, and the worms feeding on it's carcass" -Adam Lanza 2016

That is from the video game Hatred:

"My name is not important. What is important is what I'm going to do... I just fuckin' hate this world. And the human worms feasting on its carcass. My whole life is just cold, bitter hatred. And I always wanted to die violently. This is the time of vengeance and no life is worth saving. And I will put in the grave as many as I can. It's time for me to kill. And it's time for me to die. My genocide crusade begins here."

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I have multiple theory's myself like but the prominent one in my mind is that he's mother was going too move house.
I don't feel he could of handled it, I also think he struggled with he's sexuality.
intriguing man.

I know my views on Adam Lanza are probably going to be looked at as controversial. I do not feel creeped out by Adam in the sense that I would consider him a disturbing individual. I found it eerie how someone so seemingly intelligent and coherent could mentally fall apart and commit such a violent act when he had no prior history of violence in his actions ever in his whole life before that point. I think Adam presented some logical criticisms of society but I reject his choice of actions on what how he decided to handle these conclusions he had made about society. At the end of the day Adam was still a human, one who just so happened to have been born with some severe disabilities that made it hard for him to mentally hold it together, along with what I personally suspect was many many years of bullying towards him that was swept under the rug. I feel bad that Adam felt so depressed that he had to go to the lengths he did and then kill himself. I feel bad about the whole situation. But there is almost certainly more to the story and I am sure the community likely had its role in fostering the sentiments that swirled in Adam's mind.

I feel like something that is very important is what is brought up in the Connecticut documents, in Lanza's emails, about how according him when talking to someone else interested in Mass murderers, he would be happy and excited whenever a new mass shooting occurred, and in between new events, he would be depressed. Adam says, only a few days before he went off to shoot up Sandy Hook, that he was only happy for two hours when he heard about Virginia Tech. I could see it like this: He wasn't happy, and thus, wanted to make himself happy, so he went on the massacre he did. Like it was leading up to the point where he felt he couldn't be happy until he did it himself.

I believe the above poster is referring to this:
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I have been trying to figure out the few redacted words in the middle of that report. For the words to be redacted, they must have been disturbing to the average reader.
"Were decapitated"?
" were badly disfigured"?
"Simply fell apart"?

I would imagine it's something like that.