Randy Brown New video

Jesus, 4 hours of watching two assholes on mute. At least she didn't have to hear them being whiney little bitches I suppose.

I'm surprised John Savage was not recorded on any of the 911 calls. Maybe it wasn't audible?

Lizpuff wrote:

Sydney White also saw the tapes.  They were on mute however.

You mean Sydney Jo Keating - page 005715:

Sydney Jo Keating, date of birth July 24, 1956, employer - Jefferson County School District, Columbine High School (CHS), 6201 South Pierce Street, Littleton, Colorado 80123, work telephone number (303) 982-4400, X 4415, title - Campus Supervisor, responsibilities of safety and security of CHS
students, was shown two video tapes for the purpose of review and identification of CHS students and associates:

1 - Review of videotape of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold filmed at the residence of Harris on 04/20/1999, prior to the shooting incident at CHS. The videotape was muted during the review by Keating.

2 - Review of videotape of CHS cafeteria on 04/20/1999 starting at 8:03 AM. Individuals known to be TCM members or associates were identified as Dustin Gorton and Brian Sargeant. Lance Kirklin, victim, is also identified on the videotape prior to being shot.

So, she only saw the last few minutes where Eric/Dylan are saying their goodbyes. She also saw some of the Cafeteria CCTV Footage.

sororityalpha wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

Sydney White also saw the tapes.  They were on mute however.

You mean Sydney Jo Keating - page 005715:

Sydney Jo Keating, date of birth July 24, 1956, employer - Jefferson County School District, Columbine High School (CHS), 6201 South Pierce Street, Littleton, Colorado 80123, work telephone number (303) 982-4400, X 4415, title - Campus Supervisor, responsibilities of safety and security of CHS
students, was shown two video tapes for the purpose of review and identification of CHS students and associates:

1 - Review of videotape of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold filmed at the residence of Harris on 04/20/1999, prior to the shooting incident at CHS. The videotape was muted during the review by Keating.

2 - Review of videotape of CHS cafeteria on 04/20/1999 starting at 8:03 AM. Individuals known to be TCM members or associates were identified as Dustin Gorton and Brian Sargeant. Lance Kirklin, victim, is also identified on the videotape prior to being shot.

So, she only saw the last few minutes where Eric/Dylan are saying their goodbyes. She also saw some of the Cafeteria CCTV Footage.

Yes I am sorry. This is what happens when I try to use my memory!

Sydney watching the BT on mute does totally nothing. Why did she end up watching it on mute was that all they allowed her? Wouldn't I wanna hear what the boys are saying so I can follow the tape accordingly?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] there is no way john savage would be audible on the call when he had a short personal exchange with Dylan, they didn't shout or anything.

I think Randy feels it's a deserved constant attention as he and Judy were the first ones to ever make reports on Eric which was chucked aside only to have him and Dylan shoot up a bunch of kids so...
He probably feels an ever-ringing "I told you so" in his head.

Yes, I guess he's right to in a way.

I suppose the falling on deaf ears has finally ground them down. Nobody listened when it could have made a difference before Columbine and nobody seems to care after it so why bother?

sororityalpha wrote:

sororityalpha wrote:

wurmholeshadow was given the option by the Browns to either listen to the full 911 call or have a transcript. He chose to have a transcript, which has been shared online.

This is the transcript wurmholeshadow posted from when Eric/Dylan enter the library to when they leave the library:

Eric- "Get up!"

Dylan- "GET UP!"

Eric- "Stand up right now or we'll blow your fucking heads off!"

Dylan- "Fine, I'll start shooting then..." (shoots Velasquez)

"Woohoo!"

Dylan- "All jocks stand up...white baseball cap"

Eric- "Pigs are here..." (begins firing out of the window)

Dylan- (shoots Hall, Ireland, Steepleton) "Yahoo!"

Patti Nielson- "our father...who art in heaven...hallowed be thy name"

Dispatcher- "ma'am, you need to forget about praying right now. What's happening there?"

Nielson- "They're in here...they're killing kids...I have to go."

(drops phone)

Dispatcher- "Ma'am...Ma'am?"

Eric- (kills Curnow) "Die! Motherfucker!"

Dylan- "WOO!"

Kasey Ruesegger- (after being shot by Eric)- "Oh!"

Eric- "Stop your bitching. It's merely a flesh wound."

Dylan- (heard laughing hysterically)

Eric- "peek-a-boo" (kills Bernall)

Dylan- (shoots Ireland) "Die! ....down on the floor!"

Dylan- "REB?"

Eric- "Yeah?"

Dylan- "hey, man....there's a nigger over here."

Eric- "shoot him."

Dylan- "SHIT YEAH!"

Shoels- "no...no..no...mom!"

(shoels and kechter killed)

(Co2 bomb detonates)

Valeen Schnurr- "oh my god...help me..."

Eric- "do you believe in god?"

Valeen- "no...yes..."

Dylan- "Why?"

Eric- (louder) "Why?!"

Dylan- "God is gay"

John Tomlin- "Don't....done enough?"

(shots fired)

Dylan- "You think we've done enough?"(laughing)

Eric- "nice glasses"...(shot fired...sounds of scuffle...shot fired again, Mauser killed)

Dylan- "was he trying to jump you?"

Eric- "yeah"

(shots fired. DePooter killed)

Dylan- "Look what we have here..."

Eric- "What?"

Dylan- "just some fat fuck"

Dylan- "give me one good reason why I shouldn't kill you."

Evan Todd-" I don't want to get into trouble"

Dylan- "Trouble! You don't know what trouble is..."

Evan Todd- "That's not what I meant...I don't have a problem with you guys..."

Dylan- "I'm going to let this fat fuck live...little fat fucking piece of shit....you can have at him if you want."

Eric- "Lets go to the commons"

Dylan- "One more thing" (sound of something smashing)

Dylan- "Reb, ya ready?"

In gonna go a little OT like I always do here. But sometimes it still blows my mind having watched the video of Eric walking through columbine, and observing how normal yet awkward he seemed, how his mannerisms were almost nervous at times like he was uncomfortable in his own skin. He gives the impression that he's harmless, even when he makes that angry face at the camera b/c he immediately reverts back to a shy expression afterwards. He was like so many other kids, you wouldn't have been able to pull him out of a crowd unless you knew him, he blended in so well. Watching him gives me a feeling of familiarity because he looked and acted just like anyone. Then hearing him yell "GET UP" in the 911 call and realizing that's the same person. Its just crazy to me.

I wish the transcript was time stamped. After killing DePooter it seems the high is wearing off but can't see the time lapse. Random killing, killing people that likely never even knew these two let alone wronged them. Such a shame and waste of life, even the killers.

Most of the victims were kids who barely knew them. Not saying that those who ever disrespected them or gave them a hard time would make it better or justifiable -I'm sure this thought has been discussed before- but yes you are right, totally random killing and it's a waste of many lives.

I think even if they had killed someone that actually wronged them it would be a shame and horrific. It is truly sad that anyone had to die regardless of any actual reasoning. Yes it was a great waste of some kids who could have done great things in their lives.

I have a hypothetical scenario. Say, someone of authority abused Eric and Dylan. For example maybe sexually abused either one of them even. Gave them both really random abusive treatment, and they did NBK and killed this person. How do you guys feel abt it?

shades wrote:

I have a hypothetical scenario. Say, someone of authority abused Eric and Dylan. For example maybe sexually abused either one of them even. Gave them both really random abusive treatment, and they did NBK and killed this person. How do you guys feel abt it?

I think it would be more justifiable than what actually happened but I myself don't agree with murder for any reason so I would say imho if they had killed one person who did unspeakable acts to them I would feel pretty much the same as I do currently about the fact that they should not have done it. I wouldn't feel as bad for their death as I do someone innocent but I wouldn't feel that they should have killed that person on their own.

There's a random theory that I've seen circulating here and there that they were abused by the cops when they were arrested for the van break-in. Its also speculated that this is why the basement tapes haven't been released, b/c there are subtle mentions of it on there. I'm not saying I believe it but it's definitely weird. I feel like if this was true and it was on the tapes, then all the people who watched them would have mentioned it, but you never know.

Personally I think E&D would have gotten more sympathy if they had stalked the certain people who bullied them leading up to the shooting and knew where they would be at different times of the day and just took them out. It definitely would have been more challenging for them But it would have sent a deeper message.

Kiwik wrote:

There's a random theory that I've seen circulating here and there that they were abused by the cops when they were arrested for the van break-in. Its also speculated that this is why the basement tapes haven't been released, b/c there are subtle mentions of it on there. I'm not saying I believe it but it's definitely weird. I feel like if this was true and it was on the tapes, then all the people who watched them would have mentioned it, but you never know.

Personally I think E&D would have gotten more sympathy if they had stalked the certain people who bullied them leading up to the shooting and knew where they would be at different times of the day and just took them out. It definitely would have been more challenging for them But it would have sent a deeper message.

Oh the walsh butt rape thing. Completely false and started by a file that was poorly named and a poorly done drawing by Eric of the night of the arrest.

I do think there is something on the tapes other than something that would spark a copycat and that is the reason they will not release them. Something that implicates the cops in some way maybe? I am not totally sure but I think it probably shows how the cops really dropped the ball on Eric when he was alive and they don't want the general public to know. We all know how tight lipped they were about everything until really prodded in other aspects of the case.

Are we just afraid to admit that we don't mind murder, if it meant taking out someone who -really hard to say but- deserved it? Is it just not in our nature to say that at some point killing is okay?

I can see how it sounds weird to say oh killing so and so is a tragedy but oh, that person? yeah sure that one's fine.

shades wrote:

Are we just afraid to admit that we don't mind murder, if it meant taking out someone who -really hard to say but- deserved it? Is it just not in our nature to say that at some point killing is okay?

I can see how it sounds weird to say oh killing so and so is a tragedy but oh, that person? yeah sure that one's fine.

For me? No. I don't think anyone deserves to die. I don't even believe in the death penalty. I have an unpopular opinion but my thoughts are that it is indeed good to remove someone from society so that they cannot harm others but do not agree to killing them. My faith gives me the belief that in the end God will settle things on his terms. Sooner or later that person will die and they will have to deal with the ultimate judge. I know many will disagree but this is just my opinion

speaking of the butt rape claim, i'm not sure if mark taylor's mother still feels the same about it being true. I feel really bad for her but especially for Mark. It's so sad what happened to him and I have no idea if he's gotten better or if he's still under psychiatric care IIRC.

Whoa buttrape?? I didn't hear anything about that, from what I read I was under the impression that the "abuse" was referring to the cops smacking them around or something haha. I lol'd at the idea of the poorly done drawing by Eric tho.

Also I'm a firm believer in "an eye for an eye". Like say if you murder someone, with the way our shitty legal system is, I don't have a problem with a loved one of the victim taking out vigilante justice (only on the murderer, not the murderer + Their friends and family, etc).

Kiwik wrote:

Whoa buttrape?? I didn't hear anything about that, from what I read I was under the impression that the "abuse" was referring to the cops smacking them around or something haha. I lol'd at the idea of the poorly done drawing by Eric tho.

Also I'm a firm believer in "an eye for an eye". Like say if you murder someone, with the way our shitty legal system is, I don't have a problem with a loved one of the victim taking out vigilante justice (only on the murderer, not the murderer + Their friends and family, etc).

The buttrape thing- So when Eric and Dylan were arrested for the van incident Eric drew a picture depicting the events. Some people apparently think that Eric drew Walsh (the cop) as raping them. And they think that is what caused the anger and hatred for cops for the boys. Add to that that a person uploading columbine docs for Columbiners named one of the files Walsh buttrape and the myth was born.

There is absolutely no evidence that it ever happened.

what about the comment in the eric in columbine vid where one says Eric got jacked up the ass and Eric's response was I dunno about that...

Not saying Eric was violated one way or another.

Imperator wrote:

what about the comment in the eric in columbine vid where one says Eric got jacked up the ass and Eric's response was I dunno about that...

Not saying Eric was violated one way or another.  

There are a lot of things that *could* be attributed but I think if you look hard at something you could draw lines to anything to make it fit the evidence. Ala the number 23 theory.

I think the comment from Eric might relate more to the fact that people in his school teased him and Dylan about being gay or calling them fags. And the friend made a "gay" comment and it stung a bit more. Add to that that Brandi was now ignoring him as well.

Eric's response to that was just to defend himself from being made fun of cause Brandi ditched him.

Lizpuff wrote:

Imperator wrote:

what about the comment in the eric in columbine vid where one says Eric got jacked up the ass and Eric's response was I dunno about that...

Not saying Eric was violated one way or another.  

There are a lot of things that *could* be attributed but I think if you look hard at something you could draw lines to anything to make it fit the evidence.  Ala the number 23 theory.  

I think the comment from Eric might relate more to the fact that people in his school teased him and Dylan about being gay or calling them fags.  And the friend made a "gay" comment and it stung a bit more.  Add to that that Brandi was now ignoring him as well.

Yeah probably. I was pondering where the "butt rape" theory came into play. Then the Eric in Columbine dialog raises the issue further. Of course it could have been coincidental as teenage boys tend to go to the 'you're gay' type remarks to elevate their own masculinity.

Yeah this is the first I've heard of the "buttrape" theory. I had only seen comments here and there to articles and YouTube videos that mentioned abuse from the cops when they were arrested as being a motivator for the shooting, but none of them referenced buttrape haha.

There are so many bizarre conspiracy theories surrounding columbine, but I guess that goes for most world events and tragedies.

I even have trouble believing that the van incident was even a catalyst for their NBK scenario. Although things took an uptick based on their journals after their arrest, their ire and hate was directed mainly at Columbine High. Even when the "pigs" arrived, they spent very little time engaging the police.

If they were abused by cops and wanted vengeance it certainly was not at top of their hit list.

The BT may reveal more info or give more insight but as others have noted, likely never see them. If they[JeffCo] even have them.

Remember though, they did envision taking out a lot of cops.

Had the propane bombs worked, a firefight would most probably have happened with the police and the car bombs were meant to take more out when they arrived at the school.

Bombing the cop shop would have been much trickier to arrange and hugely increased the chances of being caught. Plus the school offered a chance to kill both cops and their peers at the school who they felt had wronged then.

Maybe the little time engaging the police was for fear of a sniper taking them out before they had caused maximum damage with their guns seen as the bombs didn't look like working.

I don't disagree at all about them hating the school more, I just think when the initial bombs failed then they couldn't have a proper shootout with the authorities that they craved.

shades wrote:

I think Randy feels it's a deserved constant attention as he and Judy were the first ones to ever make reports on Eric which was chucked aside only to have him and Dylan shoot up a bunch of kids so...
He probably feels an ever-ringing "I told you so" in his head.

I never thought of that. But now see it. I totally get that vibe from him.

Draw_It_White wrote:

Remember though, they did envision taking out a lot of cops.

Had the propane bombs worked, a firefight would most probably have happened with the police and the car bombs were meant to take more out when they arrived at the school.

They had mentioned the possibility but their goal was pandemonium and chaos in their ‘revolution’. I think any dramatic gun slinging with the law would have been a by-product. To be honest they had the right conditions for a firefight inside the building, force them (law) to go inside and until you’ve spent any time training/performing urban tactics the advantage is to the defenders not those entering. Fortunately the opportunity was wasted for whatever reason. We’ll never truly know since the two assailants are deceased.

Lizpuff wrote:

sororityalpha wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

Sydney White also saw the tapes.  They were on mute however.

You mean Sydney Jo Keating - page 005715:

Sydney Jo Keating, date of birth July 24, 1956, employer - Jefferson County School District, Columbine High School (CHS), 6201 South Pierce Street, Littleton, Colorado 80123, work telephone number (303) 982-4400, X 4415, title - Campus Supervisor, responsibilities of safety and security of CHS
students, was shown two video tapes for the purpose of review and identification of CHS students and associates:

1 - Review of videotape of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold filmed at the residence of Harris on 04/20/1999, prior to the shooting incident at CHS. The videotape was muted during the review by Keating.

2 - Review of videotape of CHS cafeteria on 04/20/1999 starting at 8:03 AM. Individuals known to be TCM members or associates were identified as Dustin Gorton and Brian Sargeant. Lance Kirklin, victim, is also identified on the videotape prior to being shot.

So, she only saw the last few minutes where Eric/Dylan are saying their goodbyes. She also saw some of the Cafeteria CCTV Footage.

Yes I am sorry.  This is what happens when I try to use my memory!

Hahaha, like that 'classic' Amanda Bynes movie, right? HAHAHA!

I think Randy is more obsessed with the Columbine tragedy than anyone else in the research community.