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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:11 pm
A is for how she [always has me] helpless with her beautiful gaze
A is for the [allure] of us as a couple
Both work well enough. In the former's case, I think the censor decided he/she pretty much had to scratch more than just "always" otherwise that would be just too obviously the only possible word that could fit in the blank.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:26 pm
That is true, I think they were trying to be tricky when blanking out the spots. Although why release it at all?
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:05 pm
I really think it was Marla. Dylan said he tried calling her, but she was asleep. So he had some relation with this girl. Marla apparently hung out with Zack and Dylan the week before Prom? And also Dylan asked Marla out to prom, and she said no because someone else asked her, and she would've said yes to Dylan if he asked earlier.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:38 am
Resurrecting this thread... So, my guess is it wasn't Marla? Based on Sue's recent interview (I've only just started reading the book, so I might not be up to date with all the new info)
In 2001, investigators showed you Dylan’s journal, which they’d removed from his room within hours of the shootings. While Eric’s theme was hate, Dylan’s was love. How did it feel to discover that?
It broke my heart that not only did I not know his feelings of anger, I did not know his feelings of longing. I felt overwhelming sadness that I didn’t know he had someone he was passionately in love with though she did not know he existed—literally. It just makes the whole tragedy all the more baffling.
Have you ever spoken to her? No. And she’s not aware [of how Dylan felt about her].
If I remember correctly, Marla knew who he was - they hung out a couple of times. Also, from this quote it seems like it was mostly one girl? I was under the impression it was many
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:40 am
I got ERIN as a first name when I did it o_o my detective senses are tingling and they're telling me it might not be Marla. And yes i'm serious.
And I believe there were 4 romantic interests but it narrowed down to 1 or 2 of them. Could've been more. Sadly we will not be able to know who it is without ruining that person's life. I wouldn't want crazy people coming after me outta nowhere.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:03 am
Hmmm, Erin doesn't seem that unique though?
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:06 am
Depends , neither is Dylan but the "klebold" made him say "such a strange name , like mine". It's possible her family name is odd.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:11 am
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Depends , neither is Dylan but the "klebold" made him say "such a strange name , like mine". It's possible her family name is odd.
True. If his true love went to Columbine, I am sure she is somewhere on the 11k report. Cross reference time! How many Erin's were in the student body?
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:35 am
It was a few different girls over the course of 2 years. He mentions that he thought so and so was the one for him but came to realize she wasn't and then he goes on about wanting to be with some other girl. What teenage boy is going to stay obsessed with the same girl for 2 years? Especially one that doesn't even know him?
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:35 pm
Rebdomine wrote:
Magnaphoria wrote:
Depends , neither is Dylan but the "klebold" made him say "such a strange name , like mine". It's possible her family name is odd.
True. If his true love went to Columbine, I am sure she is somewhere on the 11k report. Cross reference time! How many Erin's were in the student body?
Alright so I did a little "digging" and I found someone that comes close to this but of course I might be an idiot. Now, I found a sort of erin : Katherine Trojan. (pages 5812-5814) that... interestingly knew Zach Heckler, she participated in plays , "knew Dylan from school play productions", did not socialize with Dylan but as it says in the report "during the course of school plays did have occasional informal conversations with him". My hunch is the name he wrote was Erin Trojan. It sounds like a strange name and my acrostic went like this (i only managed to find the T and O to fit but was surprised to see a name with those letters placed exactly there):
E is for the ENDLESS joy she gives me R is for she she RENDERS me helpless with her beautiful gaze I is for the INTIMATE moments she shares with me N is for the NEWfound love that I've been looking for all my life
T is for the THOUGHT of us as a couple ? = how ? I hope to spend time with her O = how she is the ONLY one I love, that I have ever loved ? = is for the ? where we can look at the stars ? = how ? beautiful she is ? = her ? for everything she does
This is something I've been thinking about for a while. I think it might be Erin Boortz, who was a senior at the same time as Dylan.
If this is true, I imagine the poem looked like this:
E is for the (Endless) joy she gives me R is for how she (Rivets) the helpless with her beautiful gaze I is for the (Infinite) moments she shares with me N is for the (New) found love that I've been looking for all my life
B is for the (Beauty) of us as a couple O is how (O) I hope to spend time with her O is how she is the (Only) one I love, that I have ever loved R is for the (Roof) where we can look at the stars T is how (Truly) beautiful she is Z is her (Zest) for everything she does
I can't quite figure out the first O in the last name and I realize some of these are a stretch but I'm almost positive the fourth letter has to be an N as in New Found Love and I'm also pretty sure the seventh letter is an O as in Only One I Love.
Erin Boortz, who is graduating next month and escaped the school at least physically unscathed, is anxious to resume classes, even without Matt and two other friends who were killed. In the aftermath of Tuesday, she has felt a change among schoolmates that gives her hope. Columbine, she said, deserved its reputation for its stratified cliques, which some believe figured in the rage of the killers, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
"The popular clique is really tight. I know some of them who won't socialize with anyone outside the clique," said Erin. "But I can tell already, people who have had bad times with each other or grudges against each other are coming together and giving each other a hug.
"I had some bad times with one girl. We had been friends but hadn't talked in about two months. She called me the other day and wanted to make sure I was OK and see if I wanted to talk."
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:42 pm
my favorite topic.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:25 pm
Oh, I thought the answer was ERIC HARRIS.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:39 pm
ThoughtBox wrote:
Oh, I thought the answer was ERIC HARRIS.
haha maybe that´s it.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:16 pm
Looking at his poem the first four letters look seperated from the bottom six. The spacing as well as the use of "=" only visable on the bottom six letters. So, I think the girl had to be a four letter first name, six letter last name. I looked at the 1999 yearbook, specifically at seniors, since Dylan said he had a class with her first semester, assuming it was a class with only seniors. He also mentioned she also had 5th off like him. These are the only girl names with the right amount of letters:
Jill Curnow Erin Boortz Lisa Strunk Sara Martin Lisa Kreutz
I also tried names that can be shortened:
Jessica (jess) Hughes Kimberly Lorenz Katherine Malone Catherine Nelson Elizabeth Walker Kimberly Carlin Kim Colton Catherine Brantz Lucille Alpers Krissa Eggert Vanessa Grimes Alejeandra (alex) Marsch
Only some were interviewed by police. I read every interview.
Sara Martin according to police interview it said pending further investigation, she was interviewed at home. Nothing suspicious.
Jessica Hughes is the only one who makes me think it could be her. Possibly she went by Jess Hughes. In the police report they contacted her twice, once to interview her on April 20th. In the interview with Jessica that day she said she went in the limo with Dylan to prom on April 17th and sat by him during dinner. She was not on school property when the shooting occured. The interview was completed by 330PM on April 20, 1999. They wrote down that that were instructed to interview a girl thought to be Dylan's girlfriend named Brenda Hughes, which was Jessica Hughes same address, at 650PM and met with her father David and her again. They went back to interview her on July 19, 1999 and her mother said it was too tramatic to interview her again, since she was not even at school when the shooting occured and had since graduated. It says open upon further investigation.
To read these police files go to: 6644-6649. She is also in the yearbook on pages 12,79,183,188
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:00 am
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I tend to somewhat believe it was a girl called Katherine Trojan and assumed she might've had the nickname Erin. Her name fits the acrostic very well.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:07 pm
I know about Katie who liked Eric but her parents said he was too old, but I thought Marla was older?
Page 001575:
Morrissey [Math Teacher] had her class write down on paper whatever they wanted to about what happened at the high school. Two female freshman students in particular wrote that they were both friends of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. They wrote very fondly of Harris and Klebold, and Morrissey considered the girls to have had "a freshman crush on two seniors. "The students were Marla Foust and Katherine "Katie" Thompson.
If Marla was Dylan's great love that's annoying. Didn't Dylan as her to prom but she had a date already?
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:26 pm
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I know about Katie who liked Eric but her parents said he was too old, but I thought Marla was older?
Page 001575:
Morrissey [Math Teacher] had her class write down on paper whatever they wanted to about what happened at the high school. Two female freshman students in particular wrote that they were both friends of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. They wrote very fondly of Harris and Klebold, and Morrissey considered the girls to have had "a freshman crush on two seniors. "The students were Marla Foust and Katherine "Katie" Thompson.
If Marla was Dylan's great love that's annoying. Didn't Dylan as her to prom but she had a date already?
According to her mother, Katie actually told her friend that she was afraid of Eric. 1223 Bianca stated that was because Eric had made numerous phone calls to Katie trying to get a date. Bianca went on to say that Eric had met Katie at the Chili's restaurant one night, but that was the last time she had direct contact with him. Bianca stated that Eric was calling all the time for a while, and she had interrupted a call once. Bianca thought it strange that a senior in high school was attempting to get a date with their daughter, a freshman, so they had told her she couldn't go out with him, but she had not put up any fight about it. Bianca learned later from a friend of Katie's (Erin Lucero) that Katie was afraid of Eric also.
Marla was a sophomore when Eric and Dylan were seniors. She did say that Dylan asked her to prom and that she already had a date but would have gone with him if she didn't.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:25 am
There were a few girls he was in love with at different times. some of them I believe are Kristen. T, Erin Boortz and Rebbeca Heins.
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Subject: bleurgh Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:32 am
Jenn wrote:
It was a few different girls over the course of 2 years. He mentions that he thought so and so was the one for him but came to realize she wasn't and then he goes on about wanting to be with some other girl. What teenage boy is going to stay obsessed with the same girl for 2 years? Especially one that doesn't even know him?
You'd be surprised. I still have a crush on a girl from high school that I literally NEVER spoke to, and she's married with kids now, and that was 17 years ago.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:45 am
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After thinking about it for a few days,I think I've come to the conclusion that it was Tobin Kennedy. None of us will ever know for sure but if you put the elements together it fits. Tobin is certainly an unusual name for a girl,he was known to have asked her out and she is a very pretty girl.For me, she fits better than Marla Foust although I think its likely that DK had a thing for her too at the very end.
Someone else found the picture.
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Subject: Re: Dylan's great love decoded? Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:11 pm
Lunkhead McGrath wrote:
Jenn wrote:
It was a few different girls over the course of 2 years. He mentions that he thought so and so was the one for him but came to realize she wasn't and then he goes on about wanting to be with some other girl. What teenage boy is going to stay obsessed with the same girl for 2 years? Especially one that doesn't even know him?
You'd be surprised. I still have a crush on a girl from high school that I literally NEVER spoke to, and she's married with kids now, and that was 17 years ago.
I agree. My major crushes have actually always lasted for about 2 years. Isn't that normal?