Thoughts on their writings

I'm not talking about the journals but the school assignments that were released. Stories, poems, essays etc.

Has anything jumped out at you as being interesting, eerie, funny, disturbing etc. if you were a teacher or parent would an essay like "The Man in Black" cause alarm?

I can say Eric's "25 Things That Make Me Different" would have caused concern.

"My knowledge of explosives"
"My anger management problems"
"The large collection of bullet shells I have"
"My black box and its contents"

Not to mention he started off another essay saying "anyone who doesn't know the answers to these questions should be shot". No notes from the teacher on the paper whatsoever...

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I find most of Eric's writings amusing as hell. If I were a teacher I would get such a kick out of essays like that. Poor Eric probably would've been my favorite student for all that hilariously angry shit he wrote. Its a shame he took everything so seriously. He had the capability of being a funny guy, and I think if he had just lightened up a bit he would've seen more of the humor in life (and in his own writings haha).

Kiwik,

He may have lightened up after a few years, it's happened to a lot of people. I think he would have had a really good career LOL, he was just so focused on the Marines and nothing else, but it probably comes from the way he grew up. I laugh a lot when I read his work.

His Guns in School essay is pretty well thought out.

His "Black" poem is funny and Dylan's is very pompous almost, his ego comes out.

If I wrote in an answer that someone should be shot, I'd probably get reprimanded!!

I think Dylan's The Man in Black essay is only twisted because of what he did. Say no massacre happened and we saw an essay like that just from a "regular" person I wouldn't think anything of it.

they had topic about death weird or ?
And they wrote essay about that

Littlelo wrote:

I can say Eric's "25 Things That Make Me Different" would have caused concern.

"My knowledge of explosives"
"My anger management problems"
"The large collection of bullet shells I have"
"My black box and its contents"

Yeah, I would have wanted to know what was in the black box.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

I can say Eric's "25 Things That Make Me Different" would have caused concern.

"My knowledge of explosives"
"My anger management problems"
"The large collection of bullet shells I have"
"My black box and its contents"

Yeah, I would have wanted to know what was in the black box.

"give vodka porn cd"?
who knows ...

Rebbie556 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

I can say Eric's "25 Things That Make Me Different" would have caused concern.

"My knowledge of explosives"
"My anger management problems"
"The large collection of bullet shells I have"
"My black box and its contents"

Yeah, I would have wanted to know what was in the black box.

"give vodka porn cd"?
who knows ...

That is a very real possibility

I asked a male friend if he and his guy friends ever watched porn videos together, he said sort of, sometimes. He asked me why I was asking and I told him I genuinely preferred not to tell him. I never heard of guys doing that.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I asked a male friend if he and his guy friends ever watched porn videos together, he said sort of, sometimes. He asked me why I was asking and I told him I genuinely preferred not to tell him. I never heard of guys doing that

It does seem kind of strange to me too.

I don't think I could sit down and watch porn with a friend and not feel COMPLETLY embarrassed.

Guys are just strange creatures.

LOL, they really are.

It may have been more of a B movie soft core action movie with boobs... not sure.

Haven't read all their writings but in general, I find Eric's stuff to be off-putting rants filled with rage with no sense of self reflection while Dylan's stuff gets poetic and philosophical at times, rather forlorn so you can feel some of his pain.

Dylan was struggling a lot.

I wonder what made Eric decide not to go to the Browns and torture them? Was he serious or just being his "Reb" persona.. I'm glad he didn't of course, but he was planning on just annihilating the whole city.

Do we know for sure it was the Browns he was referencing in that writing?

I believe when Brooks did an AMA he alluded to it. Something like "I ratted him out for alcohol and he threatened to kill my whole family, high school stuff"

Screamingophelia wrote:

I believe when Brooks did an AMA he alluded to it. Something like "I ratted him out for alcohol and he threatened to kill my whole family, high school stuff"

I just don't know if I believe it was about him. Eric references two different people and two different houses of you read it...maybe Brooks was one, but he wasn't the only one.

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I have always wondered who he was talking about. If we assume one was Brooks, then who was the other?

I gave Brooks the benefit of the doubt and believed him!

I inferred the house of blank and blank as Brooks and Aaron. I assumed if it were 2 separate houses it would be going to the houses of.

Maybe the girl who embarrassed him in class or Walsh? It may be something we never know.

However, we have to remember that Eric didn't care about grammar, syntax, spelling or anything like that unless he cared. So I guess we shouldn't because he didn't

Screamingophelia wrote:

I gave Brooks the benefit of the doubt and believed him!

I inferred the house of blank and blank as Brooks and Aaron. I assumed if it were 2 separate houses it would be going to the houses of.

Maybe the girl who embarrassed him in class or Walsh? It may be something we never know.

However, we have to remember that Eric didn't care about grammar, syntax, spelling or anything like that unless he cared. So I guess we shouldn't because he didn't

Very true. It really could be anyone TBH. I am wondering if somehow Brooks was able to see the un-redacted version. It is interesting to note that in some versions, the word "and" between the two names is also blacked out so it appears to be just one name. Not sure why someone would do that, but I've seen it.

Littlelo wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I gave Brooks the benefit of the doubt and believed him!

I inferred the house of blank and blank as Brooks and Aaron. I assumed if it were 2 separate houses it would be going to the houses of.

Maybe the girl who embarrassed him in class or Walsh? It may be something we never know.

However, we have to remember that Eric didn't care about grammar, syntax, spelling or anything like that unless he cared. So I guess we shouldn't because he didn't

Very true. It really could be anyone TBH. I am wondering if somehow Brooks was able to see the un-redacted version. It is interesting to note that in some versions, the word "and" between the two names is also blacked out so it appears to be just one name. Not sure why someone would do that, but I've seen it.

Hmm is it possible that the "and" between what we think of as two separate names is really Randy Brown? Although it seems a bit of a stretch..

Omg you honestly may not be wrong. He names Randy since it is his house. Then the two names further down are Brooks and Aaron? Judy and Brooks? Am I looking way too much into this?

It could be the home of Randy Brown and then he talks about Brooks and Judy. He HATED Judy and probably would have been very happy to see her hurt. I'm surprised she didn't at least get slapped... going to Sue's house with her freaking website information... sorry, irks me.



I wonder how much unredacted evidence was shown to friends and the kids who were 18 and under.

Maybe I am thinking of this differently since I'm an adult now, but would someone like Robyn or Val Schnurr (kids from school who had very different experiences of course) be allowed to see unredacted evidence Is all of this open to the victims families and friends etc.. but when it is released to the public we don't see it.

Sue made a comment about Dylan's love in his journal, I think she saw the name and confirmed she didn't know who Dylan was or was she assuming it from his writings?

Would Brooks, Zach, Ann Marie H and those people be allowed to see things like the Basement Tapes?

Littlelo wrote:

Omg you honestly may not be wrong. He names Randy since it is his house. Then the two names further down are Brooks and Aaron? Judy and Brooks? Am I looking way too much into this?

I don't know if I would call it looking to much into it. As a Columbine researcher, there is no such thing as looking into it to much!

I personally don't think the kids would have been allowed to see any un-redacted evidence unless it allowed LE to further their investigations or generate new leads regarding co-conspirators, motives, etc. Maybe some students were able to see their hit lists or phone lists so they could help.

I am VERY intrigued by the idea that Randy is the redacted name. It makes sense that some versions have the whole thing blacked out...

I was also thinking Brooks and Aaron at first because he makes it sound like he's planning to go to one house and kill everyone including the two redacted names but look at what he says a few sentences later.

"we set time bombs to burn the houses down"

It could be a typo but who knows.

And this should probably go into another thread but while we're discussing redacted names, I was wondering about this the other day. I wrote a long post comparing dates and I lost it so I'll just post a very brief version of what I wanted to say.

This is from Eric's journal on June 13, 1998 and to me, it suggests that not only was Dylan thinking of an attack with someone other than Eric but that maybe Eric was thinking of an attack with someone other than Dylan. If he was talking about Dylan here, the name would not be redacted and it seems like he's suggesting a partner to "kick start the revolution" or at least to kick start the fall of humanity, just like he discussed later on in the basement tapes.
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And the only other thing I'll bother to mention is that in Dylan's journal just a few days before (on June 10) Dylan was saying that his friends were (at his choice) "depleting and collapsing under each other (Eric & _____)." It sounds to me like Dylan was drifting apart from Eric at this time.

Any thoughts on that?

sscc wrote:

And this should probably go into another thread but while we're discussing redacted names, I was wondering about this the other day. I wrote a long post comparing dates and I lost it so I'll just post a very brief version of what I wanted to say.

This is from Eric's journal on June 13, 1998 and to me, it suggests that not only was Dylan thinking of an attack with someone other than Eric but that maybe Eric was thinking of an attack with someone other than Dylan. If he was talking about Dylan here, the name would not be redacted and it seems like he's suggesting a partner to "kick start the revolution" or at least to kick start the fall of humanity, just like he discussed later on in the basement tapes.
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And the only other thing I'll bother to mention is that in Dylan's journal just a few days before (on June 10) Dylan was saying that his friends were (at his choice) "depleting and collapsing under each other (Eric & _____)." It sounds to me like Dylan was drifting apart from Eric at this time.

Any thoughts on that?

To me, Eric could have either been talking about another friend that he was thinking of recruiting or maybe even a group that he was not associated with but thought could start the "revolution" he had in mind. Although I am going to assume since it was redacted it was someone from CHS (or a former student).

I think Dylan was very depressed and felt disconnected from everyone at the time. Which leads one to think, was Eric looking for a partner for NBK and was Dylan feeling alone, leading to their agreement to commit the shooting together? Your timeline makes sense and it's very interesting to link the two writings.

That is very interesting. It would also make sense that planning really began fall of their junior year but ramped up after the van incident.

I think this is a great discussion. My guess is that Eric was writing about Chris. Were Chris and Eric closer than Chris and Dylan? It's becoming like a ven diagram.

I wonder what was going on with them to make them start losing touch. Why would Eric be going away? Was his family going to have to possibly move again?

I was thinking it could be Chris too! He seems like the one other person who would have MAYBE done it with Eric. Dylan feeling more distant from Eric may have been because of a girl? Was Eric hanging out with any girls at that time?

You're right, Dylan did hate when any of his friends got a girlfriend or started dating...

I'm not sure if Eric was seeing anyone at the time. I feel like he had dates and his longest relationship was what 8 months, with Sasha? Was that Sophomore year?

I'm pretty sure he started dating Sasha at the beginning of a school year (Sophomore or Junior?) and it lasted several months, but I could definitely be wrong...

Kiwik wrote:

I find most of Eric's writings amusing as hell. If I were a teacher I would get such a kick out of essays like that. Poor Eric probably would've been my favorite student for all that hilariously angry shit he wrote. Its a shame he took everything so seriously. He had the capability of being a funny guy, and I think if he had just lightened up a bit he would've seen more of the humor in life (and in his own writings haha).

I'd like to think that, had he not done it, Eric would've found himself at home in places like 4chan.

Littlelo, I feel like things really ramped up around junior year with the 2 of them. We don't hear a lot about them as underclassmen. In their yearbook pictures they are super clean cut (not that Eric changed much, he never "edged" out as much as Dylan did) so you could be right about Sasha.

Eric, brutal internet troll... I would hope he'd doing more with his life than that. He'd be hysterical on youtube and probably would have made a ton of money. They had some clever ideas for their films.

What could have been for everyone that died that day :*(

Screamingophelia wrote:

Eric, brutal internet troll... I would hope he'd doing more with his life than that.

I think everyone would hope that, but the reality is that that's what would likely appeal to Eric. After all, he's no stranger to things like doxing and making threats over the internet.

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