Santa Fe High School shooting leaves at least 10 dead, suspect in custody

Smiggles94 wrote:

eldigato wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

America does have a gun problem, it's almost 8 years since a Shooting as bad as this in the UK

2017 Westminster attack
2017 London Bridge attack
Finsbury Park attack
Parsons Green bombing


Maybe not shootings, but it has been attacked.

It could happen in the UK if someone gets an illegal gun or if someone throws a petrol bomb in a crowded room or something like that. I think it's the mental health problem here.

It could but what use is a gun its only purpose is too kill your only reason for having them is defence but if there were non you wouldnt need it too defend as they wouldnt have one

Ok, lets say this, you are a tiny ass old lady, just chilling in home, and then this big ass dude breaks into your house, you have no gun, he has no gun, he will fucking kill you. But lets say you both had guns, that is equal man, and if only the old lady had a gun, this old frail lady can over power a big ass man. Guns make people equal.

Smiggles94 wrote:

eldigato wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

America does have a gun problem, it's almost 8 years since a Shooting as bad as this in the UK

2017 Westminster attack
2017 London Bridge attack
Finsbury Park attack
Parsons Green bombing


Maybe not shootings, but it has been attacked.

It could happen in the UK if someone gets an illegal gun or if someone throws a petrol bomb in a crowded room or something like that. I think it's the mental health problem here.

It could but what use is a gun its only purpose is too kill your only reason for having them is defence but if there were non you wouldnt need it too defend as they wouldnt have one

well a guy where i live (california) lived close to an elementary school and had an illegal machine gun my point is there are too many guns here so you cant get rid of them realistically so yeah
also some guns are only good for killing animals like double barrels or single shots or some 22s stuff like that

Dale Cregan and Raul Moat agree gun control works.

Population Control wrote:

Smiggles94 wrote:

eldigato wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

America does have a gun problem, it's almost 8 years since a Shooting as bad as this in the UK

2017 Westminster attack
2017 London Bridge attack
Finsbury Park attack
Parsons Green bombing


Maybe not shootings, but it has been attacked.

It could happen in the UK if someone gets an illegal gun or if someone throws a petrol bomb in a crowded room or something like that. I think it's the mental health problem here.

It could but what use is a gun its only purpose is too kill your only reason for having them is defence but if there were non you wouldnt need it too defend as they wouldnt have one

Ok, lets say this, you are a tiny ass old lady, just chilling in home, and then this big ass dude breaks into your house, you have no gun, he has no gun, he will fucking kill you. But lets say you both had guns, that is equal man, and if only the old lady had a gun, this old frail lady can over power a big ass man. Guns make people equal.

Give her a fucking bazooka then cba now

Tommy QTR wrote:

Dale Cregan and Raul Moat agree gun control works.

Wow really ? Thats awesome

Smiggles94 wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Smiggles94 wrote:

eldigato wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

America does have a gun problem, it's almost 8 years since a Shooting as bad as this in the UK

2017 Westminster attack
2017 London Bridge attack
Finsbury Park attack
Parsons Green bombing


Maybe not shootings, but it has been attacked.

It could happen in the UK if someone gets an illegal gun or if someone throws a petrol bomb in a crowded room or something like that. I think it's the mental health problem here.

It could but what use is a gun its only purpose is too kill your only reason for having them is defence but if there were non you wouldnt need it too defend as they wouldnt have one

Ok, lets say this, you are a tiny ass old lady, just chilling in home, and then this big ass dude breaks into your house, you have no gun, he has no gun, he will fucking kill you. But lets say you both had guns, that is equal man, and if only the old lady had a gun, this old frail lady can over power a big ass man. Guns make people equal.

Give her a fucking bazooka then cba now

No, she doesn't need a fucking bazooka, I am making a serious point and you are trying to laugh it off.

Smiggles94 wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Dale Cregan and Raul Moat agree gun control works.

Wow really ? Thats awesome

Do you even know who they are?

Population Control wrote:

Smiggles94 wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Smiggles94 wrote:

eldigato wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

America does have a gun problem, it's almost 8 years since a Shooting as bad as this in the UK

2017 Westminster attack
2017 London Bridge attack
Finsbury Park attack
Parsons Green bombing


Maybe not shootings, but it has been attacked.

It could happen in the UK if someone gets an illegal gun or if someone throws a petrol bomb in a crowded room or something like that. I think it's the mental health problem here.

It could but what use is a gun its only purpose is too kill your only reason for having them is defence but if there were non you wouldnt need it too defend as they wouldnt have one

Ok, lets say this, you are a tiny ass old lady, just chilling in home, and then this big ass dude breaks into your house, you have no gun, he has no gun, he will fucking kill you. But lets say you both had guns, that is equal man, and if only the old lady had a gun, this old frail lady can over power a big ass man. Guns make people equal.

Give her a fucking bazooka then cba now

No, she doesn't need a fucking bazooka, I am making a serious point and you are trying to laugh it off.

I am genuinely laughing a granny does not need a gun they are for hunting thats it end of story the cons massively outweigh the pros i will never agree so lets agree too disagree

Tommy QTR wrote:

Smiggles94 wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Dale Cregan and Raul Moat agree gun control works.

Wow really ? Thats awesome

Do you even know who they are?

Obviously dude black eye and gazzas mate

Smiggles94 wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Smiggles94 wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Dale Cregan and Raul Moat agree gun control works.

Wow really ? Thats awesome

Do you even know who they are?

Obviously  dude black eye and gazzas mate

They're two criminals who murdered people using illegal guns.

everybody has there own opinions im getting sick of people jumping on me cause i dont agree with guns


AGREE TOO DISAGREE

And get back too texas

Anbody found hes youtube channel yet ?

yeah guys can we just agree to disagree and stop fighting? guns are never gonna go away from america theyll always be legal

there also legal in england but really restricted and no pistols and stuff like that

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] his joke about dale and raoul was that they got guns illegally so he was being sarcastic

Smiggles94 wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Smiggles94 wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Smiggles94 wrote:

eldigato wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

America does have a gun problem, it's almost 8 years since a Shooting as bad as this in the UK

2017 Westminster attack
2017 London Bridge attack
Finsbury Park attack
Parsons Green bombing


Maybe not shootings, but it has been attacked.

It could happen in the UK if someone gets an illegal gun or if someone throws a petrol bomb in a crowded room or something like that. I think it's the mental health problem here.

It could but what use is a gun its only purpose is too kill your only reason for having them is defence but if there were non you wouldnt need it too defend as they wouldnt have one

Ok, lets say this, you are a tiny ass old lady, just chilling in home, and then this big ass dude breaks into your house, you have no gun, he has no gun, he will fucking kill you. But lets say you both had guns, that is equal man, and if only the old lady had a gun, this old frail lady can over power a big ass man. Guns make people equal.

Give her a fucking bazooka then cba now

No, she doesn't need a fucking bazooka, I am making a serious point and you are trying to laugh it off.

I am genuinely laughing a granny does not need a gun they are for hunting thats it end of story the cons massively outweigh the pros i will never agree so lets agree too disagree

A granny does need a gun. Guns aren't just for hunting, guns are for self defense, and that includes the defense of all other amendments.

You know, I can see why you, as not being from America, wouldn't support guns. But guns have built America, From the start, back when Columbus found the new world, they were protected from the native Americas because they had guns and the Indians didn't. Now its portrayed that "the white man hunted and killed all Indians" but, its not true, and that story is wrong, I won't get into all of it, but the first school massacre in America was done by Indians during the Pontiac's war (Greencastle, Pennsylvania). Anyway, after the wars with the Indians, which was won because of guns, America became a settlement of Britain, until America had enough of Britain's shit, and guns were used to win that war too. and then you go on a bit you know a little here and there, and then boom, civil war, and the slaves were free because of guns. America was made with guns, and the brave men and women who used those guns, countless other heros too.

Now lets do a jump to more modern times and skip some of that other shit. Guns are a effective tool for self defense, they always have been. But, there is a false narrative pushed that guns are evil and that guns are only used for murder, but that is just not the case. But then these tragedies and a few Americans go "well wait a minute". But that is the small minority, the majority of Americans support the second amendment, and for good reason. If you honestly think everyone would have good intentions and would be safe without guns, you can't be farther from the truth.

can we start a new thread for talking about guns and lets talk about the shooting here

eldigato wrote:

can we start a new thread for talking about guns and lets talk about the shooting here

Yeah man, I will go make one.

Has anybody been able to find anything else on the "one or two" other suspects? I can't find shit.

Regardless of your opinions and beliefs, it's a shame that this still happens today. The effects of Columbine are still being felt to this day, and it just keeps happening. Eric and Dylan, man you guys really started something.

KitanaJillLayne912 wrote:

Regardless of your opinions and beliefs, it's a shame that this still happens today. The effects of Columbine are still being felt to this day, and it just keeps happening. Eric and Dylan, man you guys really started something.

And yet they still wont release the BT

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Suprised he killed as many as he did with a .38 revolver and a shotgun; I wonder if he picked those weapons on purpose because he didn't want to give fuel to gun control advocates?

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Suprised he killed as many as he did with a .38 revolver and a shotgun; I wonder if he picked those weapons on purpose because he didn't want to give fuel to gun control advocates?

As this thread can attest to clearly he failed. 

I think the primary reason for choosing those guns was because those were the only ones his parents had.

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“He was quiet, but he wasn’t quiet in a creepy way.”

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"It's been happening everywhere. I've always kind of felt like that eventually it was going to happen here too," Santa Fe High School student Paige Curry told reporters. "I don't know. I wasn't surprised. I was just scared."

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The teenager who allegedly used a shotgun and a revolver to kill 10 people and wound 10 others at a Texas high school Friday admitted he didn't shoot people he liked and meant to kill the ones he did target, a probable cause affidavit says.

Is there any truth that his "gear" was like E and D? The sawed off shotgun and explosives sound very Columbine like.

Is it known who is a shooter?

Dimitrios Pagourtzis 17 e.o
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This guy seems to be an interesting case. Was a cool normal guy on the football team to some reports but also walked around in a trench coat and boots to some other reports...thats to be expected when the news reports first come out though. I could almost bet he was interested in Columbine since the trench coat. Did it on the last day of school to, last day of junior year. He killed 8 students and 2 teachers.

Motive?

DooMRebel wrote:

Motive?

I'm guessing bulling, also Columbine inspired as well.

Ziamber II wrote:

Smiggles94 wrote:

Population Control wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

America does have a gun problem, it's almost 8 years since a Shooting as bad as this in the UK

2017 Westminster attack
2017 London Bridge attack
Finsbury Park attack
Parsons Green bombing


Maybe not shootings, but it has been attacked.

How many school shootings this week dude come on your point is irrelevant.

Last year, Northallerton could have become the 'New Columbine' IF TEHRE Plans worked out. Yorkshire has never had a Mass Shooting.

If their plans worked out, IOW if they could readily access a gun i.e. strict gun laws prevented this happening.

For America it's no longer a rational argument to say guns aren't the reason for the majority mass murders in America, or my favourite one...guns save lives. Most can concede that fewer guns would result in fewer mass murders and if they can't they should pop one themselves. The reason why these events keep occurring is because they can't untangle their love of guns from the very real prospect that they or someone they know could be involved in a gun incident at some stage of their lives. I'm not suggesting that the world is totally safe without guns but the argument that if there weren't guns there'd be knife attacks, bombings, etc. Sure there would/could be, but there'd be far fewer murders overall. It's no longer rational, it's the sickest emotional argument the world has ever known.

macks_ant86 wrote:

For America it's no longer a rational argument to say guns aren't the reason for the majority mass murders in America, or my favourite one...guns save lives. Most can concede that fewer guns would result in fewer mass murders and if they can't they should pop one themselves. The reason why these events keep occurring is because they can't untangle their love of guns from the very real prospect that they or someone they know could be involved in a gun incident at some stage of their lives. I'm not suggesting that the world is totally safe without guns but the argument that if there weren't guns   there'd be knife attacks, bombings, etc. Sure there would/could be, but there'd be far fewer murders overall. It's no longer rational, it's the sickest emotional argument the world has ever known.  

I highly doubt there wouldn't be "far fewer murders" that there weren't any guns about, there are countries out there with high homicide rates but gun homicides only take up a small percentage of those murders.

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

macks_ant86 wrote:

For America it's no longer a rational argument to say guns aren't the reason for the majority mass murders in America, or my favourite one...guns save lives. Most can concede that fewer guns would result in fewer mass murders and if they can't they should pop one themselves. The reason why these events keep occurring is because they can't untangle their love of guns from the very real prospect that they or someone they know could be involved in a gun incident at some stage of their lives. I'm not suggesting that the world is totally safe without guns but the argument that if there weren't guns   there'd be knife attacks, bombings, etc. Sure there would/could be, but there'd be far fewer murders overall. It's no longer rational, it's the sickest emotional argument the world has ever known.  

I highly doubt there wouldn't be "far fewer murders" that there weren't any guns about, there are countries out there with high homicide rates but gun homicides only take up a small percentage of those murders.

For the benefit of those who only want to discuss the shooting without getting into the gun debate, I won't respond in this thread.

But I'll only say I'm comparing the USA with other similarly developed countries like Canada, UK, Australia, Japan, etc. Of course there are countries out there with higher homocide rates and countries where guns are less accessible, I've heard America has more guns than it's population.

macks_ant86 wrote:

I've heard America has more guns than it's population.

That is likely true.

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Highlights from article-

Classmates described Pagourtzis as a quiet loner who played on the football team. On Friday, they said, he wore a trench coat to school in Santa Fe, located about 30 miles (50 km) southeast of Houston, on a day when temperatures topped 90 degrees Fahrenheit (32 degrees Celsius).

Texas Governor Greg Abbott said Pagourtzis obtained firearms from his father, who had legally acquired them, and also left behind explosives.

"Not only did he want to commit the shooting, but he wanted to commit suicide after the shooting," Abbott told reporters, citing a police review of the suspect's journals. "He didn't have the courage to commit suicide."

Pagourtzis was charged with capital murder and denied bail at a brief court hearing later on Friday, where he appeared in handcuffs and wearing a green prison jumpsuit. He spoke in a soft voice and said "Yes sir" when asked if he wanted a court-appointed attorney, along with other questions.

According to the charging document reported by local media, Pagourtzis picked his victims, choosing not to shoot students he liked so he could have his story told.

At least two of those injured were in critical condition, including a school police officer shot when he tried to take on the suspect, hospital officials said.

Abbott said investigators had seen a T-shirt on the suspect's Facebook page that read "Born to Kill," and authorities were examining his journal. But there were no outward signs he had been planning an attack, he said.

"Here, the red flag warnings were either non-existent or very imperceptible," Abbott said.

Two school officers engaged the shooter, including school district police officer John Barnes, who was in critical condition after a gunshot wound to his elbow that almost caused him to bleed out, hospital officials said.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton told CNN that authorities were looking at another person of interest and were seeing if there was anyone else who helped in the attack.






I'm still trying to find anything on the other "suspected" suspect.

I saw a picture of him wearing a cap and it had a heart that seemed to have the colours of the bisexual pride flag on it. Probably was LGBT then. Just something I noticed.

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I saw a picture of him wearing a cap and it had a heart that seemed to have the colours of the bisexual pride flag on it. Probably was LGBT then. Just something I noticed.

Me, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],  and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] had a discussion about that yesterday. Although to my knowledge I don't think it's been verified he was actually bisexual yet.

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InsaneIntruder wrote:

I saw a picture of him wearing a cap and it had a heart that seemed to have the colours of the bisexual pride flag on it. Probably was LGBT then. Just something I noticed.

Me, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],  and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] had a discussion about that yesterday. Although to my knowledge I don't think it's been verified he was actually bisexual yet.

Oh. Sorry, I didn't see you talking about it.

Smiggles94 wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

Smiggles94 wrote:

Population Control wrote:

No guns in england no shootings

There are lots of legally owned guns in England.

Non that could kill a classroom full of kids before police can even be dispatched tho lol

What about a Ruger 10/22? They make 110 round drum mags for them.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I saw a picture of him wearing a cap and it had a heart that seemed to have the colours of the bisexual pride flag on it. Probably was LGBT then. Just something I noticed.

Me, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],  and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] had a discussion about that yesterday. Although to my knowledge I don't think it's been verified he was actually bisexual yet.

Oh. Sorry, I didn't see you talking about it.

It probably got buried in all the posts.

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Names of the victims killed in the shooting:

Sabika Sheikh
Ann Perkins
Angelique Ramirez
Shana Fisher
Kim Vaughan
Chris Stone
Cynthia Tisdale
Christian "Riley" Garcia
Jared Conard Black
Kyle McLeod




There are also pictures for most of them, but I just can't seem to find it in me to match the faces with the names at the moment.

F*cking heartbreaking.

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I'm still trying to find anything on the other "suspected" suspect.

Yeah, seems weird that they would stop talking about him, unless the police have reason to believe that he wasn't involved after all.

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ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I'm still trying to find anything on the other "suspected" suspect.

Yeah, seems weird that they would stop talking about him, unless the police have reason to believe that he wasn't involved after all.

Who knows. I have saw a few reports where they said "one or two" others were being held/questioned for possible involvement.

This line was in one of the articles I posted.

Quote :

On Friday, authorities intended to question two other people: One was at the scene and had “suspicious reactions,” according to the governor, and another had drawn the scrutiny of investigators.

I'm not sure if this is talking about the same people that were referred to in other coverage but if it was, this is the most information that I've seen about other suspects and it sounds like it was probably more of a precaution than anything else, at least in the first case.

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The accused mass murderer who killed 10 people at his Texas high school surrendered meekly when police cornered him, a top federal official said Saturday.

Gunman Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, “sort of fell to the ground and surrendered,” said Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas), head of the House Homeland Security Committee.

Pagourtzis’ submissive response stood in contrast with his plan to commit suicide after opening fire at Santa Fe High School with a shotgun and a .38mm handgun that belonged to his dad.

“He admitted to investigators that he intended on killing himself, but he chickened out at the last minute,” Galveston County Magistrate Mark Henry told the Daily News.

The case will likely be transferred Monday to a state district trial court, said Henry — who mentioned the suspect’s detached demeanor.

“He didn’t seem to exhibit any kind of emotion,” Henry said Saturday.

A second person of interest held by police in the slaughter “was acting odd,” Henry told the News. “He was found in the building, locked in a closet.”

But it was unclear if the person in custody was involved in the attack .

Nine students and one teacher were killed, with another 10 victims wounded, after the trenchcoat-clad killer opened fire.

An affidavit indicated the shooter spared the lives of certain students so “he could have his story told,” according to multiple reports.

Pagourtzis also indicated in journals kept on his computer and cell phone that he “wanted to commit the shooting,” said Texas Gov. Greg Abbott.

The suspect’s ex-girlfriend was among the students shot in an art classroom, sophomore Kole Dixon told the New York Times. Her condition remains unclear.

Pagourtzis also attempted to use explosives devices, which included at least one Molotov cocktail.

Henry said some of the devices were not functional and described carbon dioxide canisters wrapped in duct tape and a pressure cooker with an alarm clock attached to it — but no explosive device.

As for motive, Henry told The News that the initial court appearance was focused on probable cause for criminal charges rather than what set off Pagourtzis’ rampage.

Pagourtzis, who was charged with capital murder, briefly appeared in court on Friday night. He requested a public defender and did not enter a plea.

He has no prior arrests or confrontations with law enforcement.







His ex GF was one of the victims.  

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“He had a handgun in his hand, and I didn’t notice that he had a shotgun until I was peeking under the table,” Mr. Shubert said. “I had gotten under the table for a few seconds, and I flipped it up in front of me. I want to say he had black pants, black shirt and then a long black trench coat. And he had a pistol and then a shotgun. The shotgun was draped across the front of his body.”

Mr. Shubert said he did not know why Mr. Pagourtzis had targeted the art room. “From what I heard, he didn’t yell anything,” he said. “A couple people told me he said, ‘Surprise.’ Another person told me he said, ‘You’re going to pay.’”

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Tristen Patterson, a 16-year-old junior at Sante Fe, considered Pagourtzis a friend. He said Pagourtzis was into video games that simulated war, and that he sometimes talked about guns — firearms that he liked or wanted to get. "But he never talked about killing people or anything like that," Patterson said.

He said Pagourtzis didn't show signs of being bullied but also rarely talked about himself. In one of their classes, Pagourtzis would sometimes enter the room "acting a little bit down or sad. A little bit sluggish," Patterson said.

"But he never talked about why," he said.

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A Texas official says explosive devices found with the suspected gunman at a high school near Houston weren't capable of detonating.

Galveston County Judge Mark Henry said Saturday that authorities found a group of carbon dioxide canisters taped together, and a pressure cooker with an alarm clock and nails inside. But he says the canisters had no detonation device and the pressure cooker had no explosive material.

Henry also says police exchanged "a lot of firepower" with 17-year-old Dmitrios Pagourtzis (puh-GOR'-cheez) before the Santa Fe High School student surrendered.

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Henry also says police exchanged "a lot of firepower" with 17-year-old Dmitrios Pagourtzis (puh-GOR'-cheez) before the Santa Fe High School student surrendered.

I don't think I would be bragging much about how the police exchanged "a lot of firepower" yet didn't hit him once.  Not saying they should have killed him, but in that given moment it would have been completely justified.

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A Texas official says explosive devices found with the suspected gunman at a high school near Houston weren't capable of detonating.

Galveston County Judge Mark Henry said Saturday that authorities found a group of carbon dioxide canisters taped together, and a pressure cooker with an alarm clock and nails inside. But he says the canisters had no detonation device and the pressure cooker had no explosive material.

So just like Eric and Dylan, his bombs were duds.

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A Texas official says explosive devices found with the suspected gunman at a high school near Houston weren't capable of detonating.

Galveston County Judge Mark Henry said Saturday that authorities found a group of carbon dioxide canisters taped together, and a pressure cooker with an alarm clock and nails inside. But he says the canisters had no detonation device and the pressure cooker had no explosive material.

So just like Eric and Dylan, his bombs were duds.

But Eric actually thought his would work. No way this kid thought those would do anything. So why even bother making/taking them?

He apparently spared his friends/people he liked

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Good Grief! I told you all it was only a matter of time. The Tumblr girls are already on it.

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But Eric actually thought his would work. No way this kid thought those would do anything. So why even bother making/taking them?

Who knows? It's almost as if he built them as props. Some kind of weird shout-out.