Louis CK mocks Parkland shooting survivors

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree that there is no need to "poke the bear" but is there any indication she did? She said "ostracized him" rather than mocked him. To me that is students giving a scary kid a wide berth. Is there any evidence that he was bullied, in the same way that Eric and Dylan were (things thrown at them, clothes mocked etc)?

Pixie13 wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree that there is no need to "poke the bear" but is there any indication she did? She said "ostracized him" rather than mocked him. To me that is students giving a scary kid a wide berth. Is there any evidence that he was bullied, in the same way that Eric and Dylan were (things thrown at them, clothes mocked etc)?

Not that I know of. I have to be honest I haven’t researched the case as much as others. So I’m not entirely sure. I don’t know if he was ostracized because of the way he was acting, if his behavior was scary or if they ostracized him just because he was “weird” which can really mean a lot of different things to people

I think he was quite aggressive:

"My first interaction with Nikolas Cruz happened when I was in seventh grade. I was eating lunch with my friends, most likely discussing One Direction or Ed Sheeran, when I felt a sudden pain in my lower back. The force of the blow knocked the wind out of my 90-pound body; tears stung my eyes. I turned around and saw him, smirking. I had never seen this boy before, but I would never forget his face. His eyes were lit up with a sick, twisted joy as he watched me cry.

The apple that he had thrown at my back rolled slowly along the tiled floor. A cafeteria aide rushed over to ask me if I was O.K."
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A year after I was assaulted by Mr. Cruz, I was assigned to tutor him through my school’s peer counseling program. Being a peer counselor was the first real responsibility I had ever had, my first glimpse of adulthood, and I took it very seriously.

Despite my discomfort, I sat down with him, alone. I was forced to endure his cursing me out and ogling my chest until the hourlong session ended. When I was done, I felt a surge of pride for having organized his binder and helped him with his homework."

And this paragraph that really agree with:

"It is not the obligation of children to befriend classmates who have demonstrated aggressive, unpredictable or violent tendencies. It is the responsibility of the school administration and guidance department to seek out those students and get them the help that they need, even if it is extremely specialized attention that cannot be provided at the same institution."

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I agree with the last part. However I don’t think if someone is being bullied it should be OK. Like Devon said you can walk up and be kind to people and also walk out and fight for gun control etc.

But I think Dylan and Eric were quite different than Nicholas Cruz. Dylan was probably much easier to be nice to, even Eric seemed chill compared to Cruz

Appreciate you sharing that article. I have never seen it

Nobody should be bullied, that is for sure.

Ive never had a problem with Emma's you didn't know him comment. I don't take it as her saying they bullied him but rather they stayed away from him - and reasonably so because he was a fucking mental case. 

Also calling her an evil bitch is way over the top.

W.A.R. wrote:

Ive never had a problem with Emma's you didn't know him comment. I don't take it as her saying they bullied him but rather they stayed away from him - and reasonably so because he was a fucking mental case. 

Also calling her an evil bitch is way over the top.

Did they even try reaching out to Cruz? hell no.

bradt93 wrote:

W.A.R. wrote:

Ive never had a problem with Emma's you didn't know him comment. I don't take it as her saying they bullied him but rather they stayed away from him - and reasonably so because he was a fucking mental case. 

Also calling her an evil bitch is way over the top.

Did they even try reaching out to Cruz? hell no.

Pixie's post sums it up well:

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"It is not the obligation of children to befriend classmates who have demonstrated aggressive, unpredictable or violent tendencies. It is the responsibility of the school administration and guidance department to seek out those students and get them the help that they need, even if it is extremely specialized attention that cannot be provided at the same institution."

Can't fault the students for keeping distance from a kid that is erratic. It was the adults (his mother/school administrators) that failed to do enough. His mother let him run right over her and the school just kicked him out when they were tired of dealing with him. The local police and FBI also dropped the ball.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I agree with the last part. However I don’t think if someone is being bullied it should be OK. Like Devon said you can walk up and be kind to people and also walk out and fight for gun control etc.

But I think Dylan and Eric were quite different than Nicholas Cruz. Dylan was probably much easier to be nice to, even Eric seemed chill compared to Cruz

Appreciate you sharing that article. I have never seen it

You're right... something about Cruz makes him seem just so diabolical.

I just randomly thought of this for some reason. I don’t remember the exact quote but Howard Stern shortly after Columbine mentioned that he woundered why Eric and Dylan didn’t rape anyone in the library..

I don’t know if you get a lot of backlash from it. I listened to O and A when they went to Satellite not him.

Can you imagine if he said that about Nicholas Cruz? I think he would’ve lost his job...

Screamingophelia wrote:

I just randomly thought of this for some reason. I don’t remember the exact quote but Howard Stern shortly after Columbine mentioned that he woundered why Eric and Dylan didn’t rape anyone in the library..

I don’t know if you get a lot of backlash from it. I listened to O and A when they went to Satellite not him.

Can you imagine if he said that about Nicholas Cruz? I think he would’ve lost his job...

Stern did face allot of backlash for those comments, but back then it was easier to get away with way over the line crap like that (especially if you were bringing in the dough like Howard was). Now with the internet and social media its much easier to come together and really put pressure on people/organizations and force them to react.

Here is the actual comment: "There were some really good-looking girls running with their hands over their heads. Did those kids try to have sex with any of those good-looking girls? They didn’t even do that? At least if you’re going to kill yourself and kill the kids, why wouldn’t you have some sex? If I was going to kill some people, I’d take them out with sex."

ewww @ Opie & Anthony btw

Wow, it's almost like Louis C.K. does black comedy.

W.A.R. wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I just randomly thought of this for some reason. I don’t remember the exact quote but Howard Stern shortly after Columbine mentioned that he woundered why Eric and Dylan didn’t rape anyone in the library..

I don’t know if you get a lot of backlash from it. I listened to O and A when they went to Satellite not him.

Can you imagine if he said that about Nicholas Cruz? I think he would’ve lost his job...

Stern did face allot of backlash for those comments, but back then it was easier to get away with way over the line crap like that (especially if you were bringing in the dough like Howard was). Now with the internet and social media its much easier to come together and really put pressure on people/organizations and force them to react.

Here is the actual comment: "There were some really good-looking girls running with their hands over their heads. Did those kids try to have sex with any of those good-looking girls? They didn’t even do that? At least if you’re going to kill yourself and kill the kids, why wouldn’t you have some sex? If I was going to kill some people, I’d take them out with sex."

ewww @ Opie & Anthony btw

I don’t think that’s the worst thing he’s ever said but it was very off-color. It was kind of an odd thing to say about highschoolers too... I’m not surprised he had a lot of backlash but I agree those kind of things didn’t stay around that long back then without all the social media.

Hey, blame my ex-boyfriend for the Opie and Anthony thing lol

Meh, he's right though. They went to a school that got shot up so suddenly they're experts at crime prevention and we should be taking our cues from a bunch of teenage political puppets now? Right. Also it's stretching it to say he's mocking ALL the survivors. It's pretty obviously implied he's talking "The Neo-Nazi Hispanic Wonder and the Soyboy Crew", who have thrown themselves into the public eye. Sorry, but being a tragedy survivor doesn't make you immune to being mocked or ridiculed when you so willingly put yourself on the national stage and try to pull political agendas.

HanShotFirst wrote:

Meh, he's right though. They went to a school that got shot up so suddenly they're experts at crime prevention and we should be taking our cues from a bunch of teenage political puppets now? Right.  Also it's stretching it to say he's mocking ALL the survivors. It's pretty obviously implied he's talking "The Neo-Nazi Hispanic Wonder and the Soyboy Crew", who have thrown themselves into the public eye. Sorry, but being a tragedy survivor doesn't make you immune to being mocked or ridiculed when you so willingly put yourself on the national stage and try to pull political agendas.

I know that they were at the school during the shooting but from all accounts and reports I heard so far, none of these student activists actually were inside Building 12. Not saying that you had to be inside Building 12 to qualify as a survivor or a victim traumatized by the event but while there was being people scared for their lives beyond belief, Hogg was already filming himself talking about gun control and telling some girl to speak with it because they need "diversity" probably either a mere hour after the shooting actually ended (I would link you to a clip of it but I can't find the raw video of it, it's all either spliced into interviews or conspiracy videos).

Tommy QTR wrote:

Yes she did:



I'm sick of people of defending this evil bitch, she's a vile, disgusting person who's just being used by the political elite to push to an agenda.

Why even NEED to fact-check it? The proof's right there, unedited.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Yes she did:



I'm sick of people of defending this evil bitch, she's a vile, disgusting person who's just being used by the political elite to push to an agenda.

Why even NEED to fact-check it? The proof's right there, unedited.

And yet people still feel the need of justify/defend her for this confession. Yeah it doesn't clear Cruz of his actions prior or during the shooting, he's a pretty despicable human being regardless but Gonzalez is still no angel nonetheless.

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Yes she did:



I'm sick of people of defending this evil bitch, she's a vile, disgusting person who's just being used by the political elite to push to an agenda.

Why even NEED to fact-check it? The proof's right there, unedited.

And yet people still feel the need of justify/defend her for this confession. Yeah it doesn't clear Cruz of his actions prior or during the shooting, he's a pretty despicable human being regardless but Gonzalez is still no angel nonetheless.    

Yes, I mean ostracization is just as bad, does she not know that?

I can't believe you're expecting teenagers to embrace someone who was abusive and violent. The victim-blaming here is disgusting. Cruz was a horrible kid and I doubt any of you would have befriended him.

W.A.R. wrote:

Ive never had a problem with Emma's you didn't know him comment. I don't take it as her saying they bullied him but rather they stayed away from him - and reasonably so because he was a fucking mental case. 

Also calling her an evil bitch is way over the top.

Pixie13 wrote:

I can't believe you're expecting teenagers to embrace someone who was abusive and violent. The victim-blaming here is disgusting. Cruz was a horrible kid and I doubt any of you would have befriended him.

I agree with you. I can't understand how people keep thinking that her comment was a confession of bullying. Cruz was weird and probably scary. He was obviously dangerous. It is understandable that people, especially teenagers, didn't want to be with him or didn't feel comfortable to talk to him. They didn't have a duty to be with him, whereas adults had the duty to help him and didn't. I'm sure most of us would have done the same thing at their age, and I'm sure most of us did not talk to a weird kid, but without intending to be mean to him or to hurt his feelings, simply because we didn't trust him. When you see someone looking sad and sitting alone in a place where people are with friends, do you talk to him? When I was in elementary/primary school there was a boy who was dirty and stinky and even admitted to the teacher that he didn't wipe after using the toilets. I didn't talk to him, none of my classmates did and I don't think we should be blamed for that. I would have done the same in high school. There is nothing wrong with people not wanting to talk to people who can't fit in society at all. I don't know what this kid has become, he didn't seem sad but I can't know how he was at home. However I think the teachers, his parents and other authorities had the duty to help him because it was probably his parent's fault but I didn't have to. I am not proud of what I did or rather didn't do but I don't feel bad about it either.

I don't even want to defend Gonzalez, because I'm not fond of her due to her activism but this is just defending the truth: as far as we know she didn't bully Cruz, not talking with someone is not the same as bullying. And she was just a teenager! You can't say of Cruz that he was a poor kid who was bullied and did something horrible and demand his victims to act as full grown-up.

See, I have to disagree a little. Especially when you said even if the kids alone and one talks to them it’s OK to ostracize or bulky them?  Sometimes kids are angry or sad because of bullying incident. They may bullied for things they can’t control. If they smell, maybe their family doesn’t have money to keep the water on? So that mean kids are supposed to mean tonthem because no one’s doing anything to help him?

I know Nicholas Cruz is a very different case. However it could turn into a slippery slope. Kids could find someone scary because they have a facial deformity? So it’s ok to ostracize them and bully them?  I also don’t think you should to nice someone if you feel afraid of them if they’re violent or mean . Distance yourself, but you don’t have to be an asshole to them. I always go back to what Devon said. She wondered if she got over her fear of Eric and  if she reached out to him if things would’ve been different. She doesn’t know, but she said that she doesn’t think walk out and walk up are mutually exclusive. You can be kind to people...I don’t think kids should put them selves in the danger to help someone either!! I think I might be taking it too personally because of my own experiences. I don’t like what she said and I don’t like that it’s making people think it’s OK to bully kids who are different. Because that’s what it’s saying. Also do you know that the adults should’ve stepped in very long time ago to help. It’s not the kids responsibility to help  but I’m just saying they didn’t have to poke the bear....

Screamingophelia wrote:

Distance yourself, but you don’t have to be an asshole to them.

That's exactly what I think. I hope my previous post didn't make anyone think that I defended bullies. To me there is a huge difference between not wanting to be with someone that you don't feel comfortable being with and bullying him, being actually mean to him.
Avoiding someone can be understandable, bullying someone is always bad. But maybe we shouldn't see people as only one big group: you may not talk to someone because he is not the kind of people you usually hang out with, but another group may have talked to him and he wouldn't have been ostracized.
Also when I say I can understand that kids ostracize another kid, I mean if this kid really act in a weird, anti-social way, in a way that makes him seem not trustworthy or even dangerous or if his tastes are too exclusive (and in this case it is even possible that he ostracized himself). I don't think it is ok for a kid who is just too poor to buy branded clothes to be ostracized.

Neah wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Distance yourself, but you don’t have to be an asshole to them.

That's exactly what I think. I hope my previous post didn't make anyone think that I defended bullies. To me there is a huge difference between not wanting to be with someone that you don't feel comfortable being with and bullying him, being actually mean to him.
Avoiding someone can be understandable, bullying someone is always bad. But maybe we shouldn't see people as only one big group: you may not talk to someone because he is not the kind of people you usually hang out with, but another group may have talked to him and he wouldn't have been ostracized.
Also when I say I can understand that kids ostracize another kid, I mean if this kid really act in a weird, anti-social way, in a way that makes him seem not trustworthy or even dangerous or if his tastes are too exclusive (and in this case it is even possible that he ostracized himself). I don't think it is ok for a kid who is just too poor to buy branded clothes to be ostracized.

You are right though, I think a lot of times too you don’t mean to exclude people. You get into a groove with people you get along with and you don’t deviate... which is fair.

Eric and Dylan were ostracized in many ways but there were also plenty of people who embraced them. I think Eric dug his own hole sometimes with his temper...


There is a great line from 90210... I know. I know don’t laugh yet . And it’s between Naomi and Max. Naomi really popular and Max is a “nerd” Naomi developed feelings for him after he helps her out with something and she tries to impress him by dressing up as an avatar character and his friends are really mean to her. And they make fun of her. And Max goes to comfort her and Naomi says you know, your friends are just as mean and judgmental as you say mine are.

There can be ostracization within clicques too. Look at the way people talk about Robert Perry who was a member of the TCM. His supposed friends were mean to him because his coat was cheep and has acne...

Pixie13 wrote:

Cruz was a horrible kid and I doubt any of you would have befriended him.

Full disclosure here, I befriended or became acquainted with some of the strange or delinquent kids at my school, so in all honesty I could see myself being on friendly terms with Nick.

Now whether he'd still shoot me or not is up in the air.

Pixie13 wrote:

I can't believe you're expecting teenagers to embrace someone who was abusive and violent. The victim-blaming here is disgusting. Cruz was a horrible kid and I doubt any of you would have befriended him.

It's not victim-blaming when she could barely can even be considered a victim at all.  Plus no-one here said that they should've embraced Cruz at all, but rather kept their distance and leave each other be.

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

Pixie13 wrote:

I can't believe you're expecting teenagers to embrace someone who was abusive and violent. The victim-blaming here is disgusting. Cruz was a horrible kid and I doubt any of you would have befriended him.

It's not victim-blaming when she could barely can even be considered a victim at all.  Plus no-one here said that they should've embraced Cruz at all, but rather kept their distance and leave each other be.

That is something I’ve spoken to a friend about. About how there’s almost levels of survivors when it comes to these tragedies. And a lot of people have survivors guilt over it Or they don’t feel like they have any right to feel like a survivor because they may have been out of school that day or got out of school quickly.

Brooks Brown and John Savage were both technically “let go” and would be called survivors. However brooks’s experience with the actual shooting (not aftermath ) pales in comparison with what John endured.

I kind of want to make a separate thread about this....

Screamingophelia wrote:

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

Pixie13 wrote:

I can't believe you're expecting teenagers to embrace someone who was abusive and violent. The victim-blaming here is disgusting. Cruz was a horrible kid and I doubt any of you would have befriended him.

It's not victim-blaming when she could barely can even be considered a victim at all.  Plus no-one here said that they should've embraced Cruz at all, but rather kept their distance and leave each other be.

That is something I’ve spoken to a friend about. About how there’s almost levels of survivors  when it comes to these tragedies. And a lot of people have survivors guilt over it Or they don’t feel like they have any right to feel like a survivor because they may have been out of school that day or got out of school quickly.

Brooks Brown and John Savage were both technically “let go” and would be called survivors. However brooks’s experience with the actual shooting (not aftermath ) pales in comparison with what John endured.

I kind of want to make a separate thread about this....

I think you should since it does warrant discussion. I would still call Brooks Brown a "Columbine Survivor" considering he encountered Eric minutes prior to the shooting who in the past threaten to kill him, obviously John Savage has a more dramatic story of his survival as he was caught right in the middle of the library massacre. Due to the attack during the lunch break with students and teachers roaming about freely, I would consider anybody within that building during those 16 minutes when E&D were actively killing to be survivors. I won't considered students that didn't come in that day to be survivors nor people who went somewhere else outside that school during the period.

Screamingophelia wrote:

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

Pixie13 wrote:

I can't believe you're expecting teenagers to embrace someone who was abusive and violent. The victim-blaming here is disgusting. Cruz was a horrible kid and I doubt any of you would have befriended him.

It's not victim-blaming when she could barely can even be considered a victim at all.  Plus no-one here said that they should've embraced Cruz at all, but rather kept their distance and leave each other be.

That is something I’ve spoken to a friend about. About how there’s almost levels of survivors  when it comes to these tragedies. And a lot of people have survivors guilt over it Or they don’t feel like they have any right to feel like a survivor because they may have been out of school that day or got out of school quickly.

Brooks Brown and John Savage were both technically “let go” and would be called survivors. However brooks’s experience with the actual shooting (not aftermath ) pales in comparison with what John endured.

I kind of want to make a separate thread about this....

Yes, I just don't like the girl at all. She just doesn't seem to be a friendly person. I can't believe Cruz would let someone like her bully him in the first place, girl or not, I would of knocked her out.