The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider

And not just any jock - a star player on the football team.

He posted on the old board after we accused him of being a bully.

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To start, what happened was most certainly a tragedy. I will never downplay that. The families who were impacted will forever be in my prayers.
As for me, the shootings changed my life drastically. For the first time I had an appreciation for life on a whole new scale. I'm not just referring to my own life, but the lives around me. To this day I pray for opportunities to reach out and positively impact the lives of others.
I'd like to address a couple of the discussions from a while back on this forum. Was I an athlete? Yes. Did I surround myself with other athletes? Yes, but also a lot of non-athletes. What people must keep in mind is that your friends usually consist of where you spend the majority of your time. In my case, I spent every evening at sports practice since I was a little kid. However, because I was an athlete didn't mean I associated or befriended people who I thought were jerks. Being that I was two years younger than Rocky, I most certainly was not one of his friends. In fact, I can recall a moment when my father picked me up from school as an underclassman and he happened to wave and say hello to Rocky. I was furious because I thought he was the scum of the earth. This may have been because he spit in my helmet weekly or made me push a dime down the halls during passing period as a freshman or choked me out whenever he could get his hands on me. Bottom line, I was NOT a friend of his. However, I also didn't hold such a grudge that I would react dramatically or do something that would be a permanent solution for a temporary problem.
Secondly, I did date the girl mentioned previously. She was my first girlfriend and we dated for roughly 18 months. Her mother asked us to stop dating and constantly encouraged her to date other people because she was a senior and I was only a junior. Her mother was afraid if we stayed together she would not want to leave for college. The restraining order was a Temporary Restraining Order encouraged by her mother. I was a confused teenager because my girlfriend was sending mixed signals. One day she would side with her mother and the next she would side with me and contact me secretly behind her mother's back. Stuff hit the fan when I chose to not take her to her senior prom because I was invited to a NIKE Elite football combine at CU. Upon finishing the combine I drove back to Littleton to surprise my girlfriend. As I pulled up I saw another car in front of the house. Her bedroom happened to be on the main level and being that it was late I approached her window to knock on it avoiding disturbing her parents (keep in mind, this was prior to the Restraining Order). This was a common courtesy that she and I had resorted to many times over the course of 1 1/2 years of dating. As I knocked I saw her jump out of her bed and quickly following her was another guy. She thought the knocks came from the bedroom door. Once she realized it was her window she froze in her tracks while her jaw about hit the floor. Long story short, this caused an outrage. This was the incident her mother used to portray me as an animal and went public to every newspaper reporter who would listen. I was never contacted by a single reporter. Her story hit the newspapers, magazines, and radio stations.
As we all know, there are always two sides to every story. What people don't know is that I spent the entire summer heading into my senior year in court getting the restraining order dropped. When I attempted to issue one against her I was rejected because I had to swear before the judge that I felt "physically threatened" by her. Out of good faith I could not say that I did.
As a side note, on the day of the shootings she DID NOT avoid the library because I was in there. Instead she invited me over for lunch and she and I spent lunch together while the shootings occurred. She had to make up a story to appease her mother.
This all happened almost 12 years ago. I have moved on with my life and I have forgiven her and her family. I have had zero communication with any of them, but I wish nothing but the best for them.
After that spring, I joined LINK, which was a leadership team at the high school. My responsibility was to take underclassmen under my wings and help the transition into high school be as smooth as possible. I graduated as a National Honor Society member and headed to Colorado State University on a full ride athletic scholarship where I played football all five years (I redshirted my first year). I became very involved in several campus ministries and helped mentor young teenagers. After graduating as an Academic All-American I earned a job in medical device sales in the Denver area. I have been with the same company for six years now and thoroughly enjoy it.
As an adult I often think about what or how I could have done things differently as an adolescent. But, who doesn't ponder these thoughts? We all learn as we go. I can say one thing though with complete honesty...I NEVER bullied any of my classmates. If I witnessed that I would be the first to quiet my friends and quickly reach out to that person on the receiving end. I have always been a very compassionate person who reacts with their heart, not their head or their ego.
I have no resentment towards the people on this forum who have written negative things about me. The only thing I would challenge them with is don't accuse someone of something without knowing the facts. All you are doing is "bullying", just like the people you are so quickly to curse and accuse as being responsible for one of the worst shootings ever.
God bless!

Well, if you read the interviews with students from Larkin's book, it becaomes obvious that students at CHS at the time made a clear difference between "jocks" and "athletes".

A "jock" was considered to be someone we associate with negative stuff - bullyign, drinking&driving, lack of respect for other people, premartial sex wand whatnot. "Athletes" were described as just people who were into sports or on one of the teams.


What I mean to say is that the "fettid upper layers" of CHS society were not exclusively athletes, nor were all athletes automatically considered top of the food chain.

Sabratha wrote:

Well, if you read the interviews with students from Larkin's book, it becaomes obvious that students at CHS at the time made a clear difference between "jocks" and "athletes".

A "jock" was considered to be someone we associate with negative stuff - bullyign, drinking&driving, lack of respect for other people, premartial sex wand whatnot. "Athletes" were described as just people who were into sports or on one of the teams.


What I mean to say is that the "fettid upper layers" of CHS society were not exclusively athletes, nor were all athletes automatically considered top of the food chain.

Well, yeah.

This guy was one of the leading members of the football team. He dated one of the "hottest" girls in the school. Whether or not that makes him a "jock," I don't know.

LPorter101 wrote:

Sabratha wrote:

Well, if you read the interviews with students from Larkin's book, it becaomes obvious that students at CHS at the time made a clear difference between "jocks" and "athletes".

A "jock" was considered to be someone we associate with negative stuff - bullyign, drinking&driving, lack of respect for other people, premartial sex wand whatnot. "Athletes" were described as just people who were into sports or on one of the teams.


What I mean to say is that the "fettid upper layers" of CHS society were not exclusively athletes, nor were all athletes automatically considered top of the food chain.

Well, yeah.

This guy was one of the leading members of the football team. He dated one of the "hottest" girls in the school. Whether or not that makes him a "jock," I don't know.

Hard to say, though reading teh interviews from Larkin's book i got teh feeling that jocks were a particular sub-group within the larger athlete group and that people called you a jock only if you did the negative stuff mentioned above.

"All jocks stand up! We'll get the guy in the white hats"

Craig Scott had a white hat. He was an athlete, not a jock.
Evan Todd had a white hat. He was a jock, not an athlete.

lol wrote:

"All jocks stand up! We'll get the guy in the white hats"

Craig Scott had a white hat. He was an athlete, not a jock.
Evan Todd had a white hat. He was a jock, not an athlete.

Perhaps, but most people (including himself and his dad) mention that Craig had serious anger issues during his HS years and was preoccupied with his looks and status. I wasn't there, but I imagine people might have seen him as a jock.

Also... now that we look at it, was Matt Kechter a jock or athlete? As I think its safe to assume Isaiah was not part of the "high society", given his low status in general.

Sabratha wrote:

LPorter101 wrote:

Sabratha wrote:

Well, if you read the interviews with students from Larkin's book, it becaomes obvious that students at CHS at the time made a clear difference between "jocks" and "athletes".

A "jock" was considered to be someone we associate with negative stuff - bullyign, drinking&driving, lack of respect for other people, premartial sex wand whatnot. "Athletes" were described as just people who were into sports or on one of the teams.


What I mean to say is that the "fettid upper layers" of CHS society were not exclusively athletes, nor were all athletes automatically considered top of the food chain.

Well, yeah.

This guy was one of the leading members of the football team. He dated one of the "hottest" girls in the school. Whether or not that makes him a "jock," I don't know.

Hard to say, though reading teh interviews from Larkin's book i got teh feeling that jocks were a particular sub-group within the larger athlete group and that people called you a jock only if you did the negative stuff mentioned above.

The guy I'm talking about is mentioned in Larkin's book. Larkin interviewed his girlfriend - the one he says lied about him.

LPorter101 wrote:

Sabratha wrote:

LPorter101 wrote:

Sabratha wrote:

Well, if you read the interviews with students from Larkin's book, it becaomes obvious that students at CHS at the time made a clear difference between "jocks" and "athletes".

A "jock" was considered to be someone we associate with negative stuff - bullyign, drinking&driving, lack of respect for other people, premartial sex wand whatnot. "Athletes" were described as just people who were into sports or on one of the teams.


What I mean to say is that the "fettid upper layers" of CHS society were not exclusively athletes, nor were all athletes automatically considered top of the food chain.

Well, yeah.

This guy was one of the leading members of the football team. He dated one of the "hottest" girls in the school. Whether or not that makes him a "jock," I don't know.

Hard to say, though reading teh interviews from Larkin's book i got teh feeling that jocks were a particular sub-group within the larger athlete group and that people called you a jock only if you did the negative stuff mentioned above.

The guy I'm talking about is mentioned in Larkin's book. Larkin interviewed his girlfriend - the one he says lied about him.

Was that the GF that was seen as attaactive by others, at soem point dated half of the male athletes, but was an outcast within the athlete group, being lonely on weekends and not going to any athlete-group events?

Sabratha wrote:

LPorter101 wrote:

Sabratha wrote:

LPorter101 wrote:

Sabratha wrote:

Well, if you read the interviews with students from Larkin's book, it becaomes obvious that students at CHS at the time made a clear difference between "jocks" and "athletes".

A "jock" was considered to be someone we associate with negative stuff - bullyign, drinking&driving, lack of respect for other people, premartial sex wand whatnot. "Athletes" were described as just people who were into sports or on one of the teams.


What I mean to say is that the "fettid upper layers" of CHS society were not exclusively athletes, nor were all athletes automatically considered top of the food chain.

Well, yeah.

This guy was one of the leading members of the football team. He dated one of the "hottest" girls in the school. Whether or not that makes him a "jock," I don't know.

Hard to say, though reading teh interviews from Larkin's book i got teh feeling that jocks were a particular sub-group within the larger athlete group and that people called you a jock only if you did the negative stuff mentioned above.

The guy I'm talking about is mentioned in Larkin's book. Larkin interviewed his girlfriend - the one he says lied about him.

Was that the GF that was seen as attaactive by others, at soem point dated half of the male athletes, but was an outcast within the athlete group, being lonely on weekends and not going to any athlete-group events?

Yes.

Very interesting!

LPorter, who's that guy? I suppose there's no reason to hide his identity, since we see him in a positive light now. (Having his version of events.)

lio45 wrote:

Very interesting!

LPorter, who's that guy? I suppose there's no reason to hide his identity, since we see him in a positive light now. (Having his version of events.)

Landon Jones:
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What is he referring to when he says: "As a side note, on the day of the shootings she DID NOT avoid the library because I was in there. Instead she invited me over for lunch and she and I spent lunch together while the shootings occurred. She had to make up a story to appease her mother"?

Rocky really was a piece of work huh? We all know about him having a generally shitty attitude towards most people, but he didnt even spare his fellow athletes and teammates from his bullying. There were some big time jocks at my school and I know all about the crap teenagers are capable of doing to each other. This guy was (and still seems to be) a whole separate level of cruel though. A lot of people like to downplay the bullying aspect of E and Ds motives, but hearing stories about what went on at the school make it hard to argue that it didnt play a decent sized part in their reasoning behind it all.

I bump, therefore I am.

Did this "Rocky" character ever make any public statements, on forums or anything? I'm sure he knows how much he is blamed for bulling, even a quick google search of his name will show everything. I'm sure he knows by now, so I wonder if he ever tried to rebuttal all the bullying claims against him.

slippy123 wrote:

Did this "Rocky" character ever make any public statements, on forums or anything? I'm sure he knows how much he is blamed for bulling, even a quick google search of his name will show everything. I'm sure he knows by now, so I wonder if he ever tried to rebuttal all the bullying claims against him.

Mark Ames wrote a nasty article about Rocky. But he mixed up Rocky and his brother Dusty.

Article:

I present to you the swine of swine, former Columbine wrestling champion Rocky "Dusty" Hoffschneider.

[...]

Today, Hoffschneider is a top NCAA wrestler who was ranked as high as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] a couple of years ago, before injuring his shoulder (hint-hint!). If you click on this web site:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

...you can see the pig as he is: a neckless Bush Country meathead. His bio says that he's majoring in Sociology, that ol' refuge for the very stupidest of the most mentally-challenged jocks. Oddly, the biography leaves out his greatest achievement: "Incited worst high school massacre in American history."

Rocky Hoffschneider may be a symptom of some larger evil, but he is also a perpetrator, a willing, enthusiastic executioner. We have given you his name and his general whereabouts. Now I'm asking readers to hunt him down and find out where he lives, so that we can publish his address here in the eXile. If you do, you'll get a very sweet prize from us, I assure you.

I'd also like to ask readers to consider what justice would be appropriate, and send in your entries. I can't call for something like physical harm or property damage, although I would certainly UNDERSTAND it. Remember, Rocky is a big, mean hog, but he's also an incredibly stupid, evil piece of shit. That means he's got vulnerabilities wider than the Maginot Line which you can exploit. The goal is justice. Let's ride the fucker straight to alcoholism and anti-depressants. That is the best way to mark April 20th.

Rocky didn't like the article. He sent Ames two e-mails:

E-mail 1:

You pretend to be above the rest of us, a god, that knows and sees all. I would like to know though that if you are the god of journalism, and know so much, how can you confuse my younger brother and myself. Two completely different people on record. He is a good person, sinless in all his life doing the best he can. Myself on the other hand is the exact opposite. I am the sinner, not the saint. I don't deny that I have not lived the perfect life in the eyes of most people, but who honestly can? I regret none of my past, as I will regret none of my future. If you think you will scare me into a corner, think again. I am not like you. I don't run and hide. I fight my own fights and always have. If you are going to talk about revenge don't call upon those who have the balls to do it, do it yourself coward. I am not hiding in another country. I am still here, unlike yourself. Before you write any more of your blasphemous articles accusing the innocent I would appreciate it if you would go back to journalism 101 and relearn that before you make accusations against the innocent people you should consider the consequences because god himself knows that if any thing happens to my brother and his family you will know first hand how truly fucked up I am. Of all the things that are certain in life, death being the most certain, as far as you and your family are concerned that is a close second.

E-mail 2:

Hi buddy,

I was happy to see you corrected your fuck up on the exile, confusing my brother and myself. You really didn't get to me but I commented on your columbines most wanted under a different name and you neglected to correct yourself for a couple of months and I was concerned for my brother and his family. [...]After two months you didn't correct yourself and I figured I should try a little harder to get your attention. Obviously it worked. Within a few weeks you wrote a whole new piece of garbage. I also commented on how you lacked the ambition to do the foot work necessary to write a descent article. [...] Two months wasn't enough? I would call what you did a little more than a mistake, my brother has two infants you crybaby fuck. You cry a river for two adults if I remember right, who murdered 13 people but have no regard for an innocent family. And you call me a sociopath?...

That really doesn't matter to you right. After all you have an exciting life. So exciting you couldn't figure out who two completely different people were. How long did it take you to write the first piece of trash without doing any research, 20 minutes? How could a scholar like yourself let a not so "thick necked jock", as you can see in the picture, correct someone as accomplished as yourself. I just lost even more respect for over educated fuck ups like yourself. I guess I am one up on ya. [...] I am not like your buddies Dylan and Eric. I don't expect you will publish this one because it shows how incompetent you are once again. No wonder you had to go to Russia to get a job. My advice to you concerning your future poor me articles is cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it. Sometimes life sucks. [...] Maybe next week you can make excuses for terrorists after bashing the United States once again you un American prick. I apologize, I don't want to upset you I know your sensitive. Look on the bright side buddy, you still have me.

Thanks,

Rocky Hoffschneider

Here is the full article that Ames wrote:

Columbine's Most Wanted

By Mark Ames--The eXile

For the 7th anniversary of the Columbine massacre, we're putting one of the jock assholes who tortured Klebold and Harris on our Most Wanted List...and you can help bring him to justice...

This issue is printing up on April 20th. For over 50 years this day was notorious as the anniversary of Adolph Hitler's birthday. It was one of those days that made the Normals nervous, while a faction of nerdoids could be counted on to celebrate it, as if by celebrating Hitler's birthday, they would acquire some of his anti-nerdoid, mega-evil powers.

Seven yeas ago, something far more powerful and seductive gave this day new meaning: Columbine. On April 20, 1999, students Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold attacked their high school, slaughtering twelve students and a teacher, wounding 20 more, before finally committing suicide.

They'd armed themselves for a much wider assault - along with a TEC-9, a Hi-Point 9-millimeter carbine and two shotguns, they rigged up 95 explosive devices - enough firepower to wipe out their school and slaughter hundreds of students, had they gone off. Among the bombs were forty-eight carbon dioxide bombs, or "crickets," twenty-seven pipe bombs, eleven 1 1/2-gallon propane containers, seven incendiary devices with 40-plus gallons of flammable liquid, and two duffel bag bombs with 20-pound liquefied-petroleum gas tanks. Had they survived, they planned to hijack a plane and crash it into New York City, "firing all the way down."

Every fake attempt to understand "why" Columbine happened has always turned into an act of willful self-deception. At first their parents were blamed. But then we learned that both grew up in two-parent homes, and both openly loved their parents, even apologizing to them in video diaries. As Harris noted, quoting Shakespeare's The Tempest, "Good wombs hath borne bad sons." Then the Internet was blamed, Doom was blamed, violent movies, the NRA, lack of religion:everything was blamed except the most obvious cause of the attack: Columbine High School.
And what a horrible place it was - and is.

After the massacre, numerous parent, students, and ex-students went public about the school's "toxic" culture of brutality. Students were routinely beaten, assaulted and humiliated right in front of the teachers and administration, whose jock-principal not only tolerated it but loved the bullies. As one jock from the Columbine High football team bragged after the massacre, "Sure we teased them:If you want to get rid of someone, usually you tease 'em. So the whole school would call them homos."

Officially, Columbine is not a suspect in the crime. Yet it has continued to see unprecedented white upper-middle-class violence. A year after the massacre, two Columbine students were killed across the street from the school in a Subway Sandwich shop; a boy on the basketball team committed suicide (as did one of the victims' mothers); and two students were caught a couple of years ago with a list they'd drawn up of Columbine students they were planning to massacre.

Indeed on forums around the web, Harris and Klebold are literally heroes to thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of American kids. There have also been numerous school massacres and planned massacres since 1999 where the perpetrators referenced Columbine as their model. Every year, as April 20th approaches, the number of plots exposed soars. Recently, school massacre plots were uncovered in Reno; Platte City, Missouri; and Tacoma, Washington, among others.

All major crimes, particularly unusual crime waves like school and office massacres, have a larger socio-political context, although we're still at the stage where we refuse to recognize this possibility in white middle-class schoolyard massacres (and office massacres).

But just blaming "the schools" is like blaming "the System." All crimes also have human villains as well, and we owe it to them to out these villains.

Today is the seventh anniversary of Columbine, and I think it's time we honor this day by doing something constructive, something positive. It's time to seek justice. And that means naming these villains, the willing little Nazis who destroyed Klebold and Harris, and whose viciousness eventually led to a massacre.

I present to you the swine of swine, former Columbine wrestling champion Rocky "Dusty" Hoffschneider. Harris and Klebold's hatred of Hoffschneider was obsessive - indeed most kids there hated him. But he was popular and a state champion. Which meant that when, for example, he shoved his girlfriend into a locker right in front of a teacher, the teacher looked away and let it slide. He also tormented a Jewish student, singing pro-Hitler songs and yelling out "another Jew in the oven!" every time the student scored a basket during PE. He pinned the kid to the ground and gave him "twisters," bruising his body. And then he started threatening to burn the kid alive. The student's father complained, to no avail - the PE teacher was also Hoffschneider's wrestling coach. Eventually the Jewish kid transferred to another school, the parents blaming the administration for shielding their star jock, while Hoffschneider continued bullying his way up the social ladder.

Hoffschneider enrolled in Columbine in 1996 after he'd been thrown out of a private school for fighting. He had a previous criminal record: an arrest for criminal mischief in 1992, and another arrest in 1995 relating to a "missing person," the details of which are sealed.

Now remember, in the aftermath of Columbine, Klebold and Harris have been repeatedly compared to Hitler (even though Harris explicity denounced racism and Nazis), while Hoffschneider, a violent, cruel, girlfriend-smacking, anti-Semitic fuck, has gone on to become a successful jock at Wyoming University, pampered all the way by a society that loves its spirted Nazis, and hates those who "have no school spirit," as one Columbine wrestler's father put it, explaining why Klebold and Harris were justifiably tormented as students.

Today, Hoffschneider is a top NCAA wrestler who was ranked as high as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] a couple of years ago, before injuring his shoulder (hint-hint!). If you click on this web site,
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

...you can see the pig as he is: a neckless Bush Country meathead. His bio says that he's majoring in Sociology, that ol' refuge for the very stupidest of the most mentally-challenged jocks. Oddly, the biography leaves out his greatest achievement: "Incited worst high school massacre in American history."

Rocky Hoffschneider may be a symptom of some larger evil, but he is also a perpetrator, a willing, enthusiastic executioner. We have given you his name and his general whereabouts. Now I'm asking readers to hunt him down and find out where he lives, so that we can publish his address here in the eXile. If you do, you'll get a very sweet prize from us, I assure you.

I'd also like to ask readers to consider what justice would be appropriate, and send in your entries. I can't call for something like physical harm or property damage, although I would certainly UNDERSTAND it. Remember, Rocky is a big, mean hog, but he's also an incredibly stupid, evil piece of shit. That means he's got vulnerabilities wider than the Maginot Line which you can exploit. The goal is justice. Let's ride the fucker straight to alcoholism and anti-depressants. That is the best way to mark April 20th.

Mark Ames is the author of Going Postal: Rage, Murder and Rebellion: From Reagan's Workplaces to Clinton's Columbine and Beyond, published by Soft Skull Press.

There is NOTHING anywhere in all the documents regarding Rocky, only his younger brother Dusty.

sororityalpha wrote:

There is NOTHING anywhere in all the documents regarding Rocky, only his younger brother Dusty.

That is what I said - Ames confused Rocky with Dusty.

Rocky got angry about this and sent Ames an e-mail:

Columbine Death Threat
By Mark Ames

Most people woke up on January 1st with a hangover. I woke up to a death threat, sent to me by the Columbine bully who inspired the most notorious school massacre of our time. Or would have, if I'd read the email the day it was sent.

A little background: as a follow-up to my book on rampage massacres at offices and schoolyards, Going Postal, I published an article in the eXile last April titled "Columbine's Most Wanted," about the notorious Nazi-jock Rocky Hoffschneider. Hoffschneider has been fingered by everyone from students to the Washington Post as one of the prime inspirations for Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold's rage massacre in 1999. As I wrote, Hoffschneider not only attacked and bullied those two incessantly, but he even physically attacked a young freshman girl simply because she he saw her talking to Eric Harris. Among Rocky's famous exploits was harassing a Jewish student, repeatedly yelling "Another Jew in the oven!" every time he'd try to score a basket during PE, pinning him down and giving him painful tittie-twisters, beating and bullying the Jewish kid until finally his father pulled him from the school.

Now Rocky Hoffschneider is threatening to murder me and my family. Ostensibly the reason is that I made a mistake in my article. I referred to him as "Rocky 'Dusty' Hoffschneider" when in fact his name is "Rocky Wayne Hoffschneider." His younger brother is named "Dusty." In that article, I called on all the bullied, piss-off readers of The eXile to track down Rocky Hoffschneider and give him back a little of what he dished out. Apparently, Rocky didn't like that much. Here is his email:

Subject: Columbine

From: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Date: 1/1/2007 1:29 PM

To: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

You pretend to be above the rest of us, a god, that knows and sees all. I would like to know though that if you are the god of journalism, and know so much, how can you confuse my younger brother and myself. Two completely different people on record. He is a good person, sinless in all his life doing the best he can. Myself on the other hand is the exact opposite. I am the sinner, not the saint. I don't deny that I have not lived the perfect life in the eyes of most people, but who honestly can? I regret none of my past, as I will regret none of my future. If you think you will scare me into a corner, think again. I am not like you. I don't run and hide. I fight my own fights and always have. If you are going to talk about revenge don't call upon those who have the balls to do it, do it yourself coward. I am not hiding in another country. I am still here, unlike yourself. Before you write any more of your blasphemous articles accusing the innocent I would appreciate it if you would go back to journalism 101 and relearn that before you make accusations against the innocent people you should consider the consequences because god himself knows that if any thing happens to my brother and his family you will know first hand how truly fucked up I am. Of all the things that are certain in life, death being the most certain, as far as you and your family are concerned that is a close second.

I spent my winter holiday break in Hawaii, at a friend's giant hippie castle in Diamondhead, so I didn't get this email until later. Initially I was thrilled that I'd pissed off one of the biggest assholes I've ever researched, and took his death threat as a compliment. But a mistake is a mistake. What's worse, some readers from Columbine High told me that Dusty was actually a decent guy, in spite of the fact that he's also a thick-necked wrestling jock like his brother Rocky. It makes sense that Dusty would be good  the younger brother of a raging asshole is bound to be more sensitive and compassionate; it comes from hard experience. Dusty is a wrestler; but his big brother Rocky is an Ultimate Fighter, which is another unpleasant thought not only from the point of view of the fact that this makes me a high-placer in the 2007 Ghoul Pool, but also because I'm a big admirer of Ultimate Fighting, and the unavoidable knowledge that recognizable assholes like Rocky Hoffschneider are made for this sport kind of undermines the sick exotic rush I get from watching it.

In any event, I recently returned to Moscow and sent this reply:

Rocky Hoffschneider,

I received an email from you to my Russian email account ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ), which I'm copying below. Given the sloping-forehead tone of your email, I assume it really is you who wrote it.

Here is my reaction:

1. I reviewed the material and you're correct, only you, Rocky Wayne Hoffschneider, not Rocky "Dusty" Hoffschneider as I wrote, are the asshole who helped make Columbine happen; that in the crunch of deadline time, between my 2 television shows and my print journalism, I screwed up your name and mixed in your brother's name, because sometimes guys like me, who have interesting and overworked lives, and tens of thousands of fans, make mistakes; and that I regret this mistake, particularly as I'm hearing that your younger brother Dusty is actually a decent guy; so I am going to correct this mistake in our paper.

2. The fact that you brag about not having any regrets about all of the blood on your hands proves my point that dicks like you, the popular jock meatheads and the Red State pigs they grow up to be, are the real sociopaths, not guys like Klebold and Harris whose violence was beaten into them.

Mark Ames

Editor

The eXile

I still haven't heard back. I suspect his email was sent from one of those untraceable accounts. Stay tuned.

Hi buddy,

I was happy to see you corrected your fuck up on the exile, confusing my brother and myself. You really didn't get to me but I commented on your columbines most wanted under a different name and you neglected to correct yourself for a couple of months and I was concerned for my brother and his family. [...]After two months you didn't correct yourself and I figured I should try a little harder to get your attention. Obviously it worked. Within a few weeks you wrote a whole new piece of garbage. I also commented on how you lacked the ambition to do the foot work necessary to write a descent article. [...] Two months wasn't enough? I would call what you did a little more than a mistake, my brother has two infants you crybaby fuck. You cry a river for two adults if I remember right, who murdered 13 people but have no regard for an innocent family. And you call me a sociopath?...

That really doesn't matter to you right. After all you have an exciting life. So exciting you couldn't figure out who two completely different people were. How long did it take you to write the first piece of trash without doing any research, 20 minutes? How could a scholar like yourself let a not so "thick necked jock", as you can see in the picture, correct someone as accomplished as yourself. I just lost even more respect for over educated fuck ups like yourself. I guess I am one up on ya. [...] I am not like your buddies Dylan and Eric. I don't expect you will publish this one because it shows how incompetent you are once again. No wonder you had to go to Russia to get a job. My advice to you concerning your future poor me articles is cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it. Sometimes life sucks. [...] Maybe next week you can make excuses for terrorists after bashing the United States once again you un American prick. I apologize, I don't want to upset you I know your sensitive. Look on the bright side buddy, you still have me.

Thanks,

Rocky Hoffschneider

Dear Mr. "Glass Neck" Hoffschneider,

Congratulations, you're the winner of our [sic] letter of the week! Yes, you, Rocky "Glass-Neck" Hoffschneider, the infamous "Columbine Bully," have just won a spankin' new [sic] T-shirt! All you have to do is email your address to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] , and we guarantee, the T-shirt's yours! Why did we choose U, Mr. Hoffschneider? Because we believe you're special. You tugged our heartstrings. Not just because of your losing battle with English grammar (remember kids, we upright-walking humans write "you're sensitive" not "your sensitive"; you see Rocky, the "'re" indicates a shortened version of the word "are," which is what we cognitively-evolved humans call a "verb"). No, you tugged our heartstrings because we did a little research on your "career" as an Ultimate Fighter, and what we found...hold on while we get out the box o' Kleenex tissues...jesus, this is so difficult! It's like Brian's Song meets I Am Sam by way of Million Dollar Baby - the last half hour, that is... Anyhoo, what we discovered is that your one bout in the Ultimate Fighting league was just an amateur warm-up on a Colorado card...and even then, you got your ass kicked. Or rather, your neck squeezed. Note the small print at the very bottom of this article: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Imagining poor you, Rocky "Glass-Neck" Hoffschneider, getting squeezed with a "triangle choke" sort of brings to mind the very best of Curley Howard of the Three Stooges. Except of course that it's not funny. Not funny at all. Folks, there's nothing funny about a boy born with a glass neck. So Rocky, chin up. Oops, that was inappropriate. Well, what we mean to say is that rather than offering sentimental platitudes, we're offering you a [sic] T-shirt. Wear it proudly. Because [sic] means "oops I have no fucking idea how to spell or write or even wrestle, and yet I'm being quoted in the original so that the whole world can see what a mongoloid I am." If you wear it, people may forget about your glass neck. So send us your mailing address, and wear that shirt proudly, Rocky! We're proud of you, and you should be too!

I know Porter ...

I was saying that there is NOTHING anywhere in the Columbine documents regarding Rocky in case anybody was wondering ...

sororityalpha wrote:

I know Porter ...

I was saying that there is NOTHING anywhere in the Columbine documents regarding Rocky in case anybody was wondering ...

Ah.

I've always wondered why the cops never interviewed Rocky. I'll bet his daddy kept him as far away from the cops as he could.

I have a few more questions.

Knowing everything about how much of a bully rocky and dusty were, was he or his brother ever interviewed, or were they in the 11K anywhere? If not my guess is because they graduated before the massacre happened.

If they were supposdly the worst of the worst who bullied Eric and Dylan, did either write about them or were their names on the "hit list"?


Also, anyone have any good updated pics of what Rocky or his brother looked like back then, and what they look like today?

Dusty Hoffschnedier's statement is on pages 003336-003340

Dusty denied ever knowing Eric or Dylan.


His older brother Rocky was alleged to be on Eric's Class of 98 Top of the "Should Have Died" List.

sororityalpha wrote:

Dusty Hoffschnedier's statement is on pages 003336-003340

Dusty denied ever knowing Eric or Dylan.


His older brother Rocky was alleged to be on Eric's Class of 98 Top of the "Should Have Died" List.

Thanks. If anyone can post those pages from the 11K, I'd appreciate it!

Pages 003336-003340:


Dusty Hoffschneider DOB: 041982

CHS student, in cafeteria at table JJ, no suspect or duffle bag info


On April 30, 1999 at O8OO hours I contacted Dusty Hoffschneider at his home for an interview.

Dusty then told me the following:

* He is a sophomore at Columbine High.

* When asked about Eric Harris, he said that he has never seen him before and did not know his name. The same went for Dylan Klebold.

* He has heard of [redacted] and thought he was a student associated with the trench coat students. He also thought he was the one who always wore a green beret. He described the wearer of
the green beret as a white male, 6', 160, thin with brownish-blond hair past the ears, unknown if facial hair. When asked if that male might be a [redacted] he said he was not sure.

* He does not know any other person in that trench coat group.

* He has heard of the name, "Trench Coat Mafia" before and thought they were "no big deal." He would see them hanging out in the cafeteria behind the stairs.

* He said a friend of his named Greg Barns told him that two or three trench coat students missed a class he had with them on the day of the shooting.

* When asked if he saw any of the trench coat students or the students whose names are mentioned above at the school the day of the shooting he said no.

* He saw no items out of place that day at school and in the cafeteria. When asked specifically, he said he did not see any duffle bags.

* After his 4th hour math class, 11:10a.m., he went to his locker nearby and then down the stairs to the cafeteria. He dropped his backpack off at a table. He looked at the diagram and thought
it was table JJ. (This matched the location his pack was found.) He then went to Rebel Corner for a soda. He came back to the table and sat there for lunch with; Joey Millazo, Josh Bushman, Pat
Simmington, Brad Pesicka, Ryan Ezzie, Mike Leary and Dominic Desaveio.

* He said around 11:20 a.m.. four kids came running in the west door to the cafeteria and said that, "Someone got shot." He said teachers started to run around telling everyone to get down. He
said Mr. Sanders ran in front of the lunch line from the west and over to the stairs.

* He got down by his table and saw smoke out in the parking lot to the west.

* He was wearing cargo shorts, sandals, and a blue polo shirt.

* He did not think the situation was serious. He then walked to the kitchen and entered via a door on the east side. He was with Pat, Josh, and Dominic. He saw that there were a lot of people "piling" into the back storage room off the kitchen. They then were standing in the kitchen and heard two big explosions. Smoke was then coming into the kitchen.

* They stayed in the kitchen for a few minutes and then crawled west through the kitchen to the west cafeteria door. He said that 10 minutes had passed by then.

* As they were going out that west door, they had to step over a wounded boy who was on his stomach in the doorway. He saw two more wounded kids in the area of the bottom of the outside stairs to the hill. They went up the stairs and saw another wounded kid up by the top of the stairs.

* They ran up the hill and encountered a cop who told them to run back south through the lot. They eventually ended up in Clement Park.

* He heard several gunshots while in the kitchen. He then smelled gunpowder. He knew this smell as he is an avid hunter.

* He never saw the suspects. He did see that there were several students still huddled in the southwest corner of the cafeteria as they were leaving.

This concluded my interview with Dusty Hoffschneider.

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slippy123 wrote:

I have a few more questions.

Knowing everything about how much of a bully rocky and dusty were, was he or his brother ever interviewed, or were they in the 11K anywhere? If not my guess is because they graduated before the massacre happened.

If they were supposdly the worst of the worst who bullied Eric and Dylan, did either write about them or were their names on the "hit list"?


Also, anyone have any good updated pics of what Rocky or his brother looked like back then, and what they look like today?

Rocky's senior yearbook pic (1998)
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Dusty - No. 58 (1999)
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Landon Jones (left), Dusty Hoffschneider (middle), unknown (right) (1999)
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Rocky and his wife (2007)
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Thanks for all the info. I'm not one to judge a book by its cover but boy does Rocky scream douche. Amazing how he seemed to have gotten a sexy wife. Do any of you guys believe that Dusty really didn't know Eric or Dylan? I know he was younger then him, but if he didn't know them, then maybe Dusty really never did bully them and maybe just maybe he's not a douche like Rocky is. Also note how there are a few people on that hit list that say they didn't even know or had no contact with E & D, which either is a lie, or just the mere sight of some people made E & D want to kill them. Pretty messed up if you think about killing someone just for how they look.

slippy123 wrote:

Thanks for all the info. I'm not one to judge a book by its cover but boy does Rocky scream douche. Amazing how he seemed to have gotten a sexy wife. Do any of you guys believe that Dusty really didn't know Eric or Dylan? I know he was younger then him, but if he didn't know them, then maybe Dusty really never did bully them and maybe just maybe he's not a douche like Rocky is. Also note how there are a few people on that hit list that say they didn't even know or had no contact with E & D, which either is a lie, or just the mere sight of some people made E & D want to kill them. Pretty messed up if you think about killing someone just for how they look.

Most schools have an alpha male like Rocky, but it's very clear based on documented events in/out of CHS he was an extreme case. There will never be a shortage of attractive women interested in the Rocky's of the world.. plenty luv the "bad boy" alpha male type.

I've consistently read that Dusty was similar to his brother in relation to athletic prowess, yet the opposite in regards to being a bully/public menace. Surprisingly I read that Dusty even helped Adam Kyler & others escape harm & was quoted as being a friend of Adam's. Adam was challenged by a learning disability & the most documented target of bullying by Dylan.

from the "acolumbine" site:

Adam Kyler, 16 in 1999:

Adam was in the cafeteria when the shooting began - he told investigators later that fellow victim Kyle Velasquez had been sitting at his table sometime before the shooting began. He heard Coach Dave Sanders yell for the students to get down when the shooters opened fire. Adam then heard popping noises and turned to look and saw Dylan Klebold coming in through one of the doors on the south wall. When he heard three or four shots come from the area near Klebold, Adam got up and ran north toward the kitchen. Just before he reached the serving line Adam was hit with a chair in the ribs.

He got back to his feet with the help of his friend, Dusty Hoffschneider, and the two of them ran toward the kitchen. Adam went into the storage area while Dusty ran back toward the west side of the cafeteria where he pulled the fire alarm and ran out. Adam went to hide in the kitchen.

Any quick google search will lead you to numerous statements regarding Dusty's counter personality to that of his older brother Rocky.

I was raised with alpha dog jocks in a TX high school very similar to CHS.. they don't get any worse than Rocky & I can assure you that he was hated by the jocks as well outside of his tight circle.

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Most schools have an alpha male like Rocky, but it's very clear based on documented events in/out of CHS he was an extreme case.

An extreme case who happened to go to the same high school as Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

I've always said that whatever bullying that Eric and Dylan had to deal with was *not* the only, or even the biggest, reason why they went wanted to kill - there were other factors. But they had the bad luck to go to a school like Columbine with a guy like Rocky. I don't think it's a coincidence that their worst year was his worst year - 1997/'98.

Something, or some things, happened to them in '97/'98 that drove them to go NBK. (In November, Dylan was talking vaguely about going on a shooting spree - "my" shooting spree - but by April, they were making concrete plans.) I believe that Rocky, and the bullying atmosphere that he fostered, was one of those things. How big a part he played, I don't know.

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I was raised with alpha dog jocks in a TX high school very similar to CHS.. they don't get any worse than Rocky & I can assure you that he was hated by the jocks as well outside of his tight circle.

But not by the principal, and not by his coaches.

Mr. D liked to hang out with the jocks, and he was always happy to see Rocky.

Rocky's coaches always defended him and made excuses for him. One of them even bailed him out of jail so he could go to a wrestling match.

One funny thing about the "alpha" Rocky is that he wasn't a big guy, at least not by jock standards. He was listed at 6'4", but he was no more than 6', if even that.

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LPorter101 wrote:

sororityalpha wrote:

I know Porter ...

I was saying that there is NOTHING anywhere in the Columbine documents regarding Rocky in case anybody was wondering ...

Ah.

I've always wondered why the cops never interviewed Rocky. I'll bet his daddy kept him as far away from the cops as he could.

Because he had nothing to do with the shooting?

slippy123 wrote:

If they were supposdly the worst of the worst who bullied Eric and Dylan, did either write about them or were their names on the "hit list"?

Eric's only complaint was that Rocky lied about how fast his car could go:

"Why the fuck must people lie so damn much! Like..."My brand new hummer just broke down on the highway when I was going 250 mph.""

Eric would have said much more serious things about Rocky than this if Rocky was the reason for the shooting.

lasttrain wrote:

LPorter101 wrote:

sororityalpha wrote:

I know Porter ...

I was saying that there is NOTHING anywhere in the Columbine documents regarding Rocky in case anybody was wondering ...

Ah.

I've always wondered why the cops never interviewed Rocky. I'll bet his daddy kept him as far away from the cops as he could.

Because he had nothing to do with the shooting?

Well don't forget that Law Enforcement also interviewed other students that did not go to CHS anymore that were on the Class of 98 Top of the "Should Have Died" List.

LPorter101 wrote:

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Most schools have an alpha male like Rocky, but it's very clear based on documented events in/out of CHS he was an extreme case.

An extreme case who happened to go to the same high school as Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

I've always said that whatever bullying that Eric and Dylan had to deal with was *not* the only, or even the biggest, reason why they went wanted to kill - there were other factors. But they had the bad luck to go to a school like Columbine with a guy like Rocky. I don't think it's a coincidence that their worst year was his worst year - 1997/'98.

Something, or some things, happened to them in '97/'98 that drove them to go NBK. (In November, Dylan was talking vaguely about going on a shooting spree - "my" shooting spree - but by April, they were making concrete plans.) I believe that Rocky, and the bullying atmosphere that he fostered, was one of those things. How big a part he played, I don't know.

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I was raised with alpha dog jocks in a TX high school very similar to CHS.. they don't get any worse than Rocky & I can assure you that he was hated by the jocks as well outside of his tight circle.

But not by the principal, and not by his coaches.

Mr. D liked to hang out with the jocks, and he was always happy to see Rocky.

Rocky's coaches always defended him and made excuses for him. One of them even bailed him out of jail so he could go to a wrestling match.

One funny thing about the "alpha" Rocky is that he wasn't a big guy, at least not by jock standards. He was listed at 6'4", but he was no more than 6', if even that.

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Interesting quote from a young Dusty Hoffschneider.. insight on why he may have been the polar opposite of his older brother Rocky.

"He's made a lot of stupid mistakes, and I just try not to make the same ones,'' Dusty said. "And on the mat, he gives me a lot of motivation. I can wrestle him and he's a state champion - so there's not much to fear.''

Rocky is 6'1ish, 200-225 in HS depending on the season as he'd drop weight for wrestling. That's plenty intimidating for a roided up menace.

Principal Mr. D was an athlete growing up & coached the baseball team to a state championship (Columbine's success in sports has been remarkable for decades.. testimony to the jock centric culture). No doubt Mr. D liked to rub shoulders with the schools jocks & the coaches obviously had double standards for the athletes. I would never doubt any story re: preferential treatment @ CHS for the jocks

CHS was the epitome of American social status/culture.. just another reason why NBK is such a huge story.

Here's a better copy of that famous shot of Dusty with some of the other CHS football players:
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And here's one of Dusty that I haven't seen before:
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Again, Dusty is said to have been a lot nicer than his asshole older brother.

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* He said a friend of his named Greg Barns told him that two or three trench coat students missed a class he had with them on the day of the shooting.

That would be the same Greg Barnes who killed himself in May 2000:

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lasttrain wrote:

slippy123 wrote:

If they were supposdly the worst of the worst who bullied Eric and Dylan, did either write about them or were their names on the "hit list"?

Eric's only complaint was that Rocky lied about how fast his car could go:

"Why the fuck must people lie so damn much! Like..."My brand new hummer just broke down on the highway when I was going 250 mph.""

Eric would have said much more serious things about Rocky than this if Rocky was the reason for the shooting.

You're not going to stop, are you Cullen? Rocky was at the top of Eric's shit list.

Also, yes...Rocky wasn't considered to be a "tall" guy. He was 6'1. Dylan was 6'3...add in with his boots he's about 6'4, maybe 6'4.5...towering over Rocky by 3 inches.

I bump, therefore I am.

I don't really have much to say about Rocky except that he's the stereotypical high school jock who has a lot of friends and a lot of enemies as well.

I'm surprised people seem to think that Rocky played a big part in Columbine. Based on things I've read, he sounds like he was a complete asshole in school (contrary to reports on Dusty as other people have noted), but as others have also noted, his name does not come up in Eric and Dylan's writing at all (aside from Eric's '98 list). Considering Eric was so obsessed with spewing his complete hatred for Brooks Brown over pretty minor incidents, I would have thought Rocky's name would have made more of an appearance in Eric's writing if Rocky had been "torturing" Eric at school. Just a thought.

bubbles wrote:

I'm surprised people seem to think that Rocky played a big part in Columbine. Based on things I've read, he sounds like he was a complete asshole in school (contrary to reports on Dusty as other people have noted), but as others have also noted, his name does not come up in Eric and Dylan's writing at all (aside from Eric's '98 list). Considering Eric was so obsessed with spewing his complete hatred for Brooks Brown over pretty minor incidents, I would have thought Rocky's name would have made more of an appearance in Eric's writing if Rocky had been "torturing" Eric at school. Just a thought.

I agree here

slippy123 wrote:

Also note how there are a few people on that hit list that say they didn't even know or had no contact with E & D, which either is a lie, or just the mere sight of some people made E & D want to kill them. Pretty messed up if you think about killing someone just for how they look.

This is Eric Harris we're talking about here..a perfectly logical and rational-thinking, even-tempered young gentleman with no insecurities that he felt the need to project onto others, society and ultimately humanity as a whole.

bubbles wrote:

slippy123 wrote:

Also note how there are a few people on that hit list that say they didn't even know or had no contact with E & D, which either is a lie, or just the mere sight of some people made E & D want to kill them. Pretty messed up if you think about killing someone just for how they look.

This is Eric Harris we're talking about here..a perfectly logical and rational-thinking, even-tempered young gentleman with no insecurities that he felt the need to project onto others, society and ultimately humanity as a whole.

no insecurities?

Lizpuff wrote:

bubbles wrote:

I'm surprised people seem to think that Rocky played a big part in Columbine. Based on things I've read, he sounds like he was a complete asshole in school (contrary to reports on Dusty as other people have noted), but as others have also noted, his name does not come up in Eric and Dylan's writing at all (aside from Eric's '98 list). Considering Eric was so obsessed with spewing his complete hatred for Brooks Brown over pretty minor incidents, I would have thought Rocky's name would have made more of an appearance in Eric's writing if Rocky had been "torturing" Eric at school. Just a thought.

I agree here

I'm starting to realise more and more that Eric and Dylan were pretty damn dramatic..it just makes it even more difficult for me to buy that they were bullied anywhere near to the extent of what people claim, considering they made such a massive deal about relatively minor things and were a lot more vague regarding their experiences of mistreatment at school (i.e. not writing about specific people or incidents much). I'm not saying they weren't mistreated by some peers or that they didn't engage in conflict with other students, but I'm just puzzled as to why Eric and Dylan rarely detailed specific instances.

Brooks Brown stops giving Eric rides to school and suddenly Eric wants to kill him and according to his ranting, Brooks is his arch enemy. It does make you think when you realise that a guy who stopped giving Eric rides to school was apparently the most of his worries at that point. Dylan's parents confiscate his car for a period of time and he threatens to an acquaintance in the smoker's pit that his parents "will get theirs". Eric and Dylan get arrested and go through the diversion program, yet they both acted like they were convicted felons and were criminals for life. Brandi Tinklenberg declines Eric's invitation to the prom and he never acknowledges her existence again. Dylan complains in the basement tapes about being treated as the "runt of his litter" by an extended family that Sue said the immediate family have very little do with, anyway. Definitely a pattern of emotional immaturity. I know they were teenagers, but they obviously both had a lot issues with dealing with authority and managing their emotions.

Kida wrote:

bubbles wrote:

slippy123 wrote:

Also note how there are a few people on that hit list that say they didn't even know or had no contact with E & D, which either is a lie, or just the mere sight of some people made E & D want to kill them. Pretty messed up if you think about killing someone just for how they look.

This is Eric Harris we're talking about here..a perfectly logical and rational-thinking, even-tempered young gentleman with no insecurities that he felt the need to project onto others, society and ultimately humanity as a whole.

no insecurities?

That whole statement I made was dripping with sarcasm.

One documentated incident is that it was Rocky and his friends who threw M&M's at E &D in the cafeteria and taunted them saying"Why don't you two fags kiss?You two are such sweethearts."

Here is something that talks about this incident:

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This is an old story that's been around since the start but this is all I can find on it now.

Does anybody else remember Brooks saying that Rocky used to beat him up?

PaintItBlack wrote:

One documentated incident is that it was Rocky and his friends who threw M&M's at E &D in the cafeteria and taunted them saying"Why don't you two fags kiss?You two are such sweethearts."

Where was this documented?