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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:50 pm
Were any of the kids who threw ketchup tampons at Eric and Dylan, ( or maybe it was just Dylan) ever named? I believe Sue Klebold said Dylan said that was the worst day of his life or something. So that day had to trigger alot of anger. Not sure if they ever named anyone of the aholes who was throwing them specifically.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:56 pm
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PaintItBlack wrote:
One documentated incident is that it was Rocky and his friends who threw M&M's at E &D in the cafeteria and taunted them saying"Why don't you two fags kiss?You two are such sweethearts."
Where was this documented?
It was in a couple of newspaper articles back in the day. I can verify that the incident first came out about a month after shooting.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:29 pm
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:34 pm
Just re-reading basement tape transcript to look for more names as I was curious about who else they mentioned on them. Noticed this:
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They talk about a couple of people, one of whom Eric says he wants to "shoot in the groin area". They talk about someone named Jesse Gordon and "the Goof Troop". They then go on a racist tirade, talking about how that "nigger stopped us that day" and how black people talk in "Ebonics". They bash on "spics". Then the subject turns to bowling and how each individual in the bowling class has a designated culture group to use as a target on the bowling pins to kill, and that this helps them bowl better
I wonder if Dylan thought about Jewish people when he was trying to get a strike
Fucking idiots.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:58 pm
Yeah, they also had bad things to say about white people too.I don't know how racist you can really be if it's people in general you don't like. And not to defend them this time but it sounds like it wasn't only them alone in the class doing it.Maybe several people doing it? But yes, ignorant behavior all around.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:55 am
Yes, I would say casual racism was a common occurrence amongst certain individuals at Columbine. You can see this in the "Eric in Columbine" video when Eric, Mike Vendegnia and Erik Veik are mocking Japanese people and Eric makes an offhand "fucking gook" comment. Quite a few reports in the 11k regarding Dylan and Eric making racist comments and how both boys made it obvious they were Nazi admirers. Not to mention their own writings.
Yes, they hated humanity in general, but they were both still racists. I've mentioned in another thread that Isaiah Shoels' fate was ultimately sealed because of the color of his skin. The fact that Dylan admired Nazis is just one of many examples of him being a stupid, self-loathing sack of shit.
Anyway, how can their so-called reasons for committing the massacre have any real credibility when Eric and Dylan have always contradicted themselves so much and grossly exaggerated situations and overreacted to minor things? Yeah, they may have got smartass comments about how they dressed every now and then etc, and their own friends may have even given them shit as you can see Mike doing to Eric in the "Eric in Columbine' video, but I think we all know the boys were more than capable of giving back what they got and sometimes more, as per the reports in the 11k regarding Eric and Dylan's own behaviour towards other students prior to the massacre. I'm sure they weren't the only kids in highschool who had to deal with that. Yes, that type behaviour is mean-spirited and it's a problem, especially for those who are more sensitive, but I think Eric and Dylan's issues ran deeper than comments they received from other students, said in jest or not.
To quote the article I posted:
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To focus on what Eric said in the midst of the attack (regarding revenge for all the shit he got) is to ignore so much else of what we know about him. It ignores the fact that when Eric had a falling out with a friend, he vandalized the boy’s car and home, posted a homicidal threat on his website, and wrote about wanting to go to the boy’s home and spit on him and his family, urinate on them, and torture them before blowing up the house. Clearly, Eric was not an average young man.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 3:49 am
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Yes, I would say casual racism was a common occurrence amongst certain individuals at Columbine. You can see this in the "Eric in Columbine" video when Eric, Mike Vendegnia and Erik Veik are mocking Japanese people and Eric makes an offhand "fucking gook" comment. Quite a few reports in the 11k regarding Dylan and Eric making racist comments and how both boys made it obvious they were Nazi admirers. Not to mention their own writings.
Yes, they hated humanity in general, but they were both still racists. I've mentioned in another thread that Isaiah Shoels' fate was ultimately sealed because of the color of his skin. The fact that Dylan admired Nazis is just one of many examples of him being a stupid, self-loathing sack of shit.
Anyway, how can their so-called reasons for committing the massacre have any real credibility when Eric and Dylan have always contradicted themselves so much and grossly exaggerated situations and overrated to minor things? Yeah, they may have got smartass comments about how they dressed every now and then etc, and their own friends may have even given them shit as you can see Mike doing to Eric in the "Eric in Columbine' video, but I think we all know the boys were more than capable of giving back what they got and sometimes more, as per the reports in the 11k regarding Eric and Dylan's own behaviour towards other students prior to the massacre. I'm sure they weren't the only kids in highschool who had to deal with that. Yes, that type behaviour is mean-spirited and it's a problem, especially for those who are more sensitive, but I think Eric and Dylan's issues ran deeper than comments they received from other students, said in jest or not.
To quote the article I posted:
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To focus on what Eric said in the midst of the attack (regarding revenge for all the shit he got) is to ignore so much else of what we know about him. It ignores the fact that when Eric had a falling out with a friend, he vandalized the boy’s car and home, posted a homicidal threat on his website, and wrote about wanting to go to the boy’s home and spit on him and his family, urinate on them, and torture them before blowing up the house. Clearly, Eric was not an average young man.
I don't think I can agree that a person is truly racist when you have had something negative to say about almost every ethnicity.I think it was just humans in general they come to have a problem with as they also said themselves.You disagree which is fine but that's what I believe. I don't see them as being serious Nazis either.I think they liked the power the Nazis had but I doubt they really bought into the deep seated racial theories that drive National Socialism.Whatever one else can say about the Hitler and the Nazi's, the majority of them were true believers in their "cause." Most Nazi's went to the grave as true believers.There aren't many I know of that changed their minds and that includes the ones that weren't criminally prosecuted. Just my belief.I know you'll likely disagree.
The article you quoted is from Peter Langman and I utterly disagree with his whole premise(he is one of the proponents of the "psychopath and the depressive diagnosis" so I don't agree with most of it and get little from it.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:22 am
All I know if that Isaiah was singled out in the library because he was black. Perhaps if he wasn't black, he may have stood a chance of surviving like some of the other students did. If targeting someone because of the color of their skin isn't racist, then I don't know what is. Yes, I know they taunted and killed other people, but it's undeniable the color of Isaiah's skin is what attracted Dylan and Eric to him. Dylan also made it vehemently clear that he wanted to "make sure that nigger was dead". If you don't think Isaiah was singled out for racially-motivated reasons in his case, then I'm sorry, but you're delusional.
I also don't agree with the "psychopath and depressive" theory, but Peter Langman has raised perfectly valid and factual points in the article I posted.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:44 am
The boys were not racists.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:23 am
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I don't think I can agree that a person is truly racist when you have had something negative to say about almost every ethnicity.I think it was just humans in general they come to have a problem with as they also said themselves.You disagree which is fine but that's what I believe. I don't see them as being serious Nazis either.I think they liked the power the Nazis had but I doubt they really bought into the deep seated racial theories that drive National Socialism.Whatever one else can say about the Hitler and the Nazi's, the majority of them were true believers in their "cause." Most Nazi's went to the grave as true believers.There aren't many I know of that changed their minds and that includes the ones that weren't criminally prosecuted. Just my belief.I know you'll likely disagree.
The article you quoted is from Peter Langman and I utterly disagree with his whole premise(he is one of the proponents of the "psychopath and the depressive diagnosis" so I don't agree with most of it and get little from it.
I agree with this.
and The boys were not racists...It's one thing to just be verbally ignorant and to be spouting tongue-in-cheek remarks with ignorant terms but they weren't racists. It's that, or I'm completely wrong and they were good actors to people of color and ethnicity who were around them who had only good things to say about them. What sealed Isaiah's fate is the same as those who were at the library; he just happened to be there and he wasn't significantly chosen for his color. As horrible as it is to say, I agree he might've stood out because he was black and YES, Dylan did make derogatory remarks at/about him but he wasn't killed due to being black. He wasn't murdered for his race, he sure stood out, but he was chosen at random just as the rest were. They didn't have a murder manifesto or mission to solely be killing non-whites. They just weren't, they were posturing and saying shocking things.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:28 am
Just one thing I would add here. Isiah was NOT the only black stdent in the library that day. Now I am on my phone and am actually moving so I won't have computer access for a while so I cannot quote but in the 11k there was another black male in that library. Now iirc the other boy was near the back perhaps they did not see him but if it was race related at all I think he would have been killed too.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:20 pm
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:42 pm
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Just one thing I would add here. Isiah was NOT the only black stdent in the library that day. Now I am on my phone and am actually moving so I won't have computer access for a while so I cannot quote but in the 11k there was another black male in that library. Now iirc the other boy was near the back perhaps they did not see him but if it was race related at all I think he would have been killed too.
Yes, I'm aware that the massacre as a whole was obviously not racially-motivated. I'm also aware there was another black student in the library, but if I recall correctly, there was nothing in the 11k that mentioned if Dylan and Eric had even seen him. It's glaringly apparent that Eric and Dylan did hold racist views, as contradictory and flawed as their views were. Like I mentioned, it's also an undeniable fact that Isaiah in particular was targeted based on his skin color. I think you guys need to look up the definition of "racist" : "A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races". I think it's safe to say that Eric and Dylan, despite hating humanity as a whole, held racist views, said multiple things of a racist nature (several accounts of this pre-massacre from different people), and chose to specifically single out Isaiah because he was black.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:56 pm
they singled out Isaiah because he was black but they didn't kill him because he was black. I really don't know how else to make the sentence a point where it means two different things. And, you can hold racist views, but you can also simply verbally voice out what one who holds racist views say but not be racist. You get it? I just strongly feel that these two teenage boys are not racist. I don't even think they know how to be racist right. They just echo what a white supremacist might say but they aren't living their lives or going to school going to places as actual racists. It doesn't matter what they have said or penned down. It's....sigh, it's like, when comedians do satire or openly make derogatory punchlines and jokes, KNOWING it is racist and that's where the shock-value is, something that is funny cause it's true, but it's not who they ARE.
Okay, do you have accounts of them being openly racist to people/classmates of colour and not want to speak to them or have contact with them? please debunk me. They had multi-racial classmates and they had been nothing but normal and friendly. Cause it's not who they are. They're literally contradictory or perhaps fake, in real life.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:36 pm
Devon Adams said they got a lot of their racist language from Tarantino films.These films use quite a lot of it and the boys were at least somewhat influenced by them.
Terra Oglesbee who is black had a class with E &D and was friendly with them and said they treated her well.She had walked to the smoking pit with Eric and hung out with him there the week before 4/20. Alex Marsh of the TCM is Hispanic and also said that E &D were nice to her and she would not have been friendly with them if they were racists. Would truly racist people have done that? I don't know...It doesn't sound like the way true racists would act to me.
“Eric and Dylan showed no signs of being racist. Before he started dressing that way [In black], Eric was not only normal-looking but rather attractive – “hot,” -Terra Oglesbee, who sat in front of Harris and next to Klebold
Alexandra Marsh was a junior at Columbine High School at the time of the shooting. She stated that she was a past member of the Trench Coat Mafia. Last year she was involved with the group and she still socialized with several of the kids involved with the group. She characterized the group as wearing trench coats, using drugs and having short tempers that lead them into getting into fights. They were brought in an questioned whenever something happened. They had been brought in for questioning and accused of drinking in the parking lot last school year. - Alex related that members of the group had talked about “blowing up the school” in the past, however, she was under the impression that none of them were serious about the threat. When asked about that, she related that it was mentioned that some said “would get guns and meet and blow up the school” - She related that Dylan and Eric had access to guns. She also knew that the two had made bombs and had blown things up in a field. - She stated she had worked with Dylan on the Fall play of “Frankenstein” that the school put on. She knew him by his first name but he probably didn’t know her first name. She stated she them mostly because her friends hung out with Dylan and Eric - She stated she knew who Eric Harris was but recognized him more by his nickname of “REB”. She however didn’t hang out with them. She usually saw both of them between her second and third period class. She said they would be together and enter the building near the library entrance and walked down the hall. She stated that she had seen Dylan at the prom and she sat at the same table as he did. After the prom, Alex said that Dylan and Eric were smiling and having fun and gave no indication of their plans or problems they were having. - Alex stated she heard that Dylan and Eric had gone “paint balling” and that they had exploded a bomb somewhere at sometime. She said that sometimes they would get together with the group and talk about tactically how to blow up a room. She said they did it more in a jokingly manner. They even talked about how you would go about killing someone if you wanted. Again, she said that it was all in a jokingly manner. - She stated that none of the group like jocks because they had a superior air about them She further explained that they all thought it was funny how jocks played a child’s game. - She never heard any of the group say any racists slurs. Then she added, “And if I ever did…” and her eyes widened and she raised her eyebrows (She is Hispanic).
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:39 pm
I do not doubt that E &D made racist comments at times but how much of that came from real ingrained racism and how much of it was them trying to look badass or cool or whatever is the question.I personally believe it was mainly the latter.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:40 pm
*Sigh* Eric repeatedly wrote in his journal how other races were inferior which alone is textbook definition of a racist thought process. I don't know of any instances of them treating people of color in a discriminatory way (aside from them singling out Isaiah to be shot because of the color of his skin), but racist people don't necessarily need to treat others in an outright discriminatory fashion to still hold racist views. I'm really not interested in discussing this further.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:44 pm
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Devon Adams said they got a lot of their racist language from Tarantino films.These films use quite a lot of it and the boys were at least somewhat influenced by them.
Terra Oglesbee who is black had a class with E &D and was friendly with them and said they treated her well.She had walked to the smoking pit with Eric and hung out with him there the week before 4/20. Alex Marsh of the TCM is Hispanic and also said that E &D were nice to her and she would not have been friendly with them if they were racists. Would truly racist people have done that? I don't know...It doesn't sound like the way true racists would act to me.
“Eric and Dylan showed no signs of being racist. Before he started dressing that way [In black], Eric was not only normal-looking but rather attractive – “hot,” -Terra Oglesbee, who sat in front of Harris and next to Klebold
Alexandra Marsh was a junior at Columbine High School at the time of the shooting. She stated that she was a past member of the Trench Coat Mafia. Last year she was involved with the group and she still socialized with several of the kids involved with the group. She characterized the group as wearing trench coats, using drugs and having short tempers that lead them into getting into fights. They were brought in an questioned whenever something happened. They had been brought in for questioning and accused of drinking in the parking lot last school year. - Alex related that members of the group had talked about “blowing up the school” in the past, however, she was under the impression that none of them were serious about the threat. When asked about that, she related that it was mentioned that some said “would get guns and meet and blow up the school” - She related that Dylan and Eric had access to guns. She also knew that the two had made bombs and had blown things up in a field. - She stated she had worked with Dylan on the Fall play of “Frankenstein” that the school put on. She knew him by his first name but he probably didn’t know her first name. She stated she them mostly because her friends hung out with Dylan and Eric - She stated she knew who Eric Harris was but recognized him more by his nickname of “REB”. She however didn’t hang out with them. She usually saw both of them between her second and third period class. She said they would be together and enter the building near the library entrance and walked down the hall. She stated that she had seen Dylan at the prom and she sat at the same table as he did. After the prom, Alex said that Dylan and Eric were smiling and having fun and gave no indication of their plans or problems they were having. - Alex stated she heard that Dylan and Eric had gone “paint balling” and that they had exploded a bomb somewhere at sometime. She said that sometimes they would get together with the group and talk about tactically how to blow up a room. She said they did it more in a jokingly manner. They even talked about how you would go about killing someone if you wanted. Again, she said that it was all in a jokingly manner. - She stated that none of the group like jocks because they had a superior air about them She further explained that they all thought it was funny how jocks played a child’s game. - She never heard any of the group say any racists slurs. Then she added, “And if I ever did…” and her eyes widened and she raised her eyebrows (She is Hispanic).
Ahh yes, the age old "I have a friend who is black, so I can't be racist!" argument
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:54 pm
I just thought it was was valid to post what some people who knew them and two of whom were of color said since they had dealings with them.Some people said they were racist, others said they weren't at all.
The only really racist person I know of now is the Nazi my friend is stuck with at this time and if a person of color ever came to his door he'd literally run them off and he certainly wouldn't be pleasant about it.
He works with a half black girl but of course he avoids her whenever possible and dislikes having to speak to her. I am glad for her sake that she doesn't have to work around him much. But as I've said before this guy is an actual Nazi and very proud of it so maybe its different.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:00 am
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The only really racist person I know of now is the Nazi my friend is stuck with at this time and if a person of color ever came to his door he'd literally run them off and he certainly wouldn't be pleasant about it.
He works with a half black girl but of course he avoids her whenever possible and dislikes having to speak to her. I am glad for her sake that she doesn't have to work around him much. But as I've said before this guy is an actual Nazi and very proud of it so maybe its different.
He sounds like a complete tool. Just so you know, though, racist people won't always display their racist views outright. An example of this being Dylann Roof who had an African American friend that he associated with fairly recently prior to the Charleston shooting. Many racist people aren't exactly known for their intelligence/logic.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:26 am
bubbles wrote:
PaintItBlack wrote:
The only really racist person I know of now is the Nazi my friend is stuck with at this time and if a person of color ever came to his door he'd literally run them off and he certainly wouldn't be pleasant about it.
He works with a half black girl but of course he avoids her whenever possible and dislikes having to speak to her. I am glad for her sake that she doesn't have to work around him much. But as I've said before this guy is an actual Nazi and very proud of it so maybe its different.
He sounds like a complete tool. Just so you know, though, racist people won't always display their racist views outright. An example of this being Dylann Roof who had an African American friend that he associated with fairly recently prior to the Charleston shooting. Many racist people aren't exactly known for their intelligence/logic.
I know next to nothing about Dylann Roof so I cannot comment.I'm sure not everybody racist comes right out with it. The best example of a racist person I can think of is hugely proud of it so that's why he get brought up by me when racism is discussed.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:08 am
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] it don't matter if it's an age old argument that they have friends of Color. They treated them alright and they had no problems with Eric Nor Dylan at all. That's the part that matters. So what does that say? Hence I said they were either fake or they were not racists. They're verbally ignorant and have penned out or voice out ignorant thoughts but, i doubt it's really who they are. And [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thank you!
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:17 am
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:09 pm
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] it don't matter if it's an age old argument that they have friends of Color. They treated them alright and they had no problems with Eric Nor Dylan at all. That's the part that matters. So what does that say? Hence I said they were either fake or they were not racists. They're verbally ignorant and have penned out or voice out ignorant thoughts but, i doubt it's really who they are. And [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thank you!
Yeah, it's common knowledge they were ignorant idiots, but they were, by definition, racists (amongst many other nouns). As I keep saying, you can associate with people of other races whilst being a racist person who harbors racist views. Surely you don't think Dylann Roof is automatically exempt from being labelled as a racist because he had a black friend? Yes, Eric and Dylan despised humanity overall, but they made it clear they each held racially prejudiced views, too.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:16 pm
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:07 pm
I'm sorry.I just wanted badly to provide proof but I won't post a direct link again.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:42 pm
Here is a story I have been told about Rocky. (This comes from someone who went to the school.)
Supposedly Rocky liked to push kids up the stairs, so that they would fall forward while ascending.
One day, he pushed a kid and said, "Wow, your boyfriend fucked you so hard last night that you can't even walk up the stairs."
Also, this person told me that Rocky and the other jocks loved to belittle other boys in front of girls, to make the boys look pathetic in the girls' eyes.
Here is a detailed article about Rocky and his antics: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:13 pm
What he said was all well and good, but why didn't he stand up for Dylan and Eric while they were being bullied? The shooters felt like noone stood up for them.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:01 am
lol wrote:
"All jocks stand up! We'll get the guy in the white hats"
Craig Scott had a white hat. He was an athlete, not a jock. Evan Todd had a white hat. He was a jock, not an athlete.
Not really the best way to word it. Rather, all jocks are athletes but not athletes are jocks. There is no jock who doesn't play sports.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:04 pm
PaintItBlack wrote:
I do not doubt that E &D made racist comments at times but how much of that came from real ingrained racism and how much of it was them trying to look badass or cool or whatever is the question.I personally believe it was mainly the latter.
totally agree.. whatever fit their agenda of hate and the "new ID" they were taking on as badasses etc..
E&D hid behind a lot of self hate and used anything to fuel their projection.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:07 pm
I bump, therefore I am.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:47 am
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sororityalpha wrote:
There is NOTHING anywhere in all the documents regarding Rocky, only his younger brother Dusty.
That is what I said - Ames confused Rocky with Dusty.
Rocky got angry about this and sent Ames an e-mail:
Columbine Death Threat By Mark Ames
Most people woke up on January 1st with a hangover. I woke up to a death threat, sent to me by the Columbine bully who inspired the most notorious school massacre of our time. Or would have, if I'd read the email the day it was sent.
A little background: as a follow-up to my book on rampage massacres at offices and schoolyards, Going Postal, I published an article in the eXile last April titled "Columbine's Most Wanted," about the notorious Nazi-jock Rocky Hoffschneider. Hoffschneider has been fingered by everyone from students to the Washington Post as one of the prime inspirations for Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold's rage massacre in 1999. As I wrote, Hoffschneider not only attacked and bullied those two incessantly, but he even physically attacked a young freshman girl simply because she he saw her talking to Eric Harris. Among Rocky's famous exploits was harassing a Jewish student, repeatedly yelling "Another Jew in the oven!" every time he'd try to score a basket during PE, pinning him down and giving him painful tittie-twisters, beating and bullying the Jewish kid until finally his father pulled him from the school.
Now Rocky Hoffschneider is threatening to murder me and my family. Ostensibly the reason is that I made a mistake in my article. I referred to him as "Rocky 'Dusty' Hoffschneider" when in fact his name is "Rocky Wayne Hoffschneider." His younger brother is named "Dusty." In that article, I called on all the bullied, piss-off readers of The eXile to track down Rocky Hoffschneider and give him back a little of what he dished out. Apparently, Rocky didn't like that much. Here is his email:
You pretend to be above the rest of us, a god, that knows and sees all. I would like to know though that if you are the god of journalism, and know so much, how can you confuse my younger brother and myself. Two completely different people on record. He is a good person, sinless in all his life doing the best he can. Myself on the other hand is the exact opposite. I am the sinner, not the saint. I don't deny that I have not lived the perfect life in the eyes of most people, but who honestly can? I regret none of my past, as I will regret none of my future. If you think you will scare me into a corner, think again. I am not like you. I don't run and hide. I fight my own fights and always have. If you are going to talk about revenge don't call upon those who have the balls to do it, do it yourself coward. I am not hiding in another country. I am still here, unlike yourself. Before you write any more of your blasphemous articles accusing the innocent I would appreciate it if you would go back to journalism 101 and relearn that before you make accusations against the innocent people you should consider the consequences because god himself knows that if any thing happens to my brother and his family you will know first hand how truly fucked up I am. Of all the things that are certain in life, death being the most certain, as far as you and your family are concerned that is a close second.
I spent my winter holiday break in Hawaii, at a friend's giant hippie castle in Diamondhead, so I didn't get this email until later. Initially I was thrilled that I'd pissed off one of the biggest assholes I've ever researched, and took his death threat as a compliment. But a mistake is a mistake. What's worse, some readers from Columbine High told me that Dusty was actually a decent guy, in spite of the fact that he's also a thick-necked wrestling jock like his brother Rocky. It makes sense that Dusty would be good the younger brother of a raging asshole is bound to be more sensitive and compassionate; it comes from hard experience. Dusty is a wrestler; but his big brother Rocky is an Ultimate Fighter, which is another unpleasant thought not only from the point of view of the fact that this makes me a high-placer in the 2007 Ghoul Pool, but also because I'm a big admirer of Ultimate Fighting, and the unavoidable knowledge that recognizable assholes like Rocky Hoffschneider are made for this sport kind of undermines the sick exotic rush I get from watching it.
In any event, I recently returned to Moscow and sent this reply:
Rocky Hoffschneider,
I received an email from you to my Russian email account ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ), which I'm copying below. Given the sloping-forehead tone of your email, I assume it really is you who wrote it.
Here is my reaction:
1. I reviewed the material and you're correct, only you, Rocky Wayne Hoffschneider, not Rocky "Dusty" Hoffschneider as I wrote, are the asshole who helped make Columbine happen; that in the crunch of deadline time, between my 2 television shows and my print journalism, I screwed up your name and mixed in your brother's name, because sometimes guys like me, who have interesting and overworked lives, and tens of thousands of fans, make mistakes; and that I regret this mistake, particularly as I'm hearing that your younger brother Dusty is actually a decent guy; so I am going to correct this mistake in our paper.
2. The fact that you brag about not having any regrets about all of the blood on your hands proves my point that dicks like you, the popular jock meatheads and the Red State pigs they grow up to be, are the real sociopaths, not guys like Klebold and Harris whose violence was beaten into them.
Mark Ames
Editor
The eXile
I still haven't heard back. I suspect his email was sent from one of those untraceable accounts. Stay tuned.
LOL He had a pretty poor win rate in MMA. He may have run over another athlete with a snow plow. But there are scarier monsters out there than him. He is just some over privileged, brat; you can tell from his photo's from Columbine that he never missed a meal, or perhaps he was taking performance-enhancing drugs and that's how he ended up looking pregnant. Who knows. What I do know is I have encountered bigger, uglier monsters; and I am sure MOST people have including the guy who penned the article. I hope Rocky enjoys his time in prison, however; I doubt he's in there throwing his weight around either.
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:42 am
From what i understand, many of the popular kids and those who played sports didn't like him, they thought he was a huge asshole.
I met his cousin and he was like "I hate my last name, i get asked about him a lot and no, i don't like him, he is an asshole"
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Subject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:03 am
shades wrote:
The boys were not racists.
bullshit
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