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A few months ago it was announced Susan Klebold, Dylan's mother, was writing a book about coping after the shooting and all the proceeds would go to mental health charities. Today the release date and title were announced. It's coming out February 16, 2016, and is actually already up for pre-order on Amazon.

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Thank you Wendla.
I am little surprised there is going to be a tv interview too as I didn't think any of the parents would ever actually do that as they can get very invasive and hostile.
I hope the book will be well received as that poor family has had enough cruelty and judgment heaped on them for 100 families'.

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I'm about to pre-order a copy myself

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It's interesting that Sue will be doing a t.v interview and publishing a book after being quiet for so long. I think now that a lot of time has passed, people have had time to move past the initial emotions and false info of the event. Now more people are trying to understand columbine and similar events with a more opened mind. So this is a good time for her to do an interview. It's very courageous of her, and I commend her for doing it. I'm very interested in hearing what she has to say and reading her book.

This reminds me of Eric's parents. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong about this, but I think they have been silent forever. It's totally fine and understandable, though. Especially after Cullen's story.


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I'm kinda suprised she is doing this, always seemed quite quiet. Good on her for giving profits to charity though.

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Great news, I was starting to think that the book project was in limbo. I'm really surprised that she is going to be interviewed on TV too, didn't expect that at all, specially since Oprah said that she declined all the interview requests over the years.

I think it's a brave move, but I'm sure that some people like Brian Rohrbough and the Bernall family cannot wait for the book to be published and the interview to be broadcasted to start dumping on her :/

Btw, I think the cover would have looked so much better with a different typography and a shorther title.

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Wow. Never saw the TV interview coming in a million years. I don't think we can even guess how it will turn out. Other than that you should always expect to hear Diane's "but did you really?" tone of voice as she asks each question. This announcement alone has launched Columbine right back into mainstream media (online anyway) and is probably getting the attention of this new teenage generation that is now taken over by kids who weren't even alive at the time of the massacre. I mean, when this airs - the ones who were born in 1999 will be the same age as a lot of the victims (and Dylan himself) were at the time. It's crazy.

Also, ABC tends to tease/spoil the hell out of every interview. (And usually is played on other channels, too.) in the month(s) before it airs. So, i'm sure January going into February will put it everywhere again.
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I'm hoping there will be a positive out of this book, maybe even something that will make the Harris open up if the see a good reception on the book. I'd really like to hear what they have to say,
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Great news, I was starting to think that the book project was in limbo. I'm really surprised that she is going to be interviewed on TV too, didn't expect that at all, specially since Oprah said that she declined all the interview requests over the years.

I think it's a brave move, but I'm sure that some people like Brian Rohrbough and the Bernall family cannot wait for the book to be published and the interview to be broadcasted to start dumping on her :/

Btw, I think the cover would have looked so much better with a different typography and a shorther title.

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Yeah man, that cover is pretty amateur.

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It will be interesting to see if/how she approaches topics such as behavioral vs biological upbringing.
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Thanks for the update. Very interesting about the TV interview.
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No disrespect I am excited to read the book, but part of me wonders...will the Klebolds still not fully 100% accept what Dylan Klebold did without putting most of the blame on Eric? If I read this book, and I STILL see that they're making excuses for Dylan the book will be going in the trash. It is that simple. There is NO excuses for what that kid did, PERIOD. Parent or not! It's been almost 20 years, and it is time to understand that. I just hope she does/did the right thing.
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No disrespect I am excited to read the book, but part of me wonders...will the Klebolds still not fully 100% accept what Dylan Klebold did without putting most of the blame on Eric? If I read this book, and I STILL see that they're making excuses for Dylan the book will be going in the trash. It is that simple. There is NO excuses for what that kid did, PERIOD. Parent or not! It's been almost 20 years, and it is time to understand that. I just hope she does/did the right thing.

I wouldn't be so hard on her. You don't get over something like that. You cling to anything that can make you feel better.

Both Wayne and Kathy Harris have pretty much written Eric off as a psychopath - they seem to feel that they tried their best, but the kid was mentally broken and hid his true nature from them.

Should that not piss us off even more than the Klebolds' attempt to preserve at least some semblance of their son's dignity? Or should we say, "We cannot begin to understand what they have gone through ... let them think whatever they need to think in order to get through the day"?
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I feel that it is fair to say that we don't actually know that Eric's parents believe he was a psychopath. All we have to support this is Mrs.Mausers statement that they "seemed " to accept that he was at the meeting they had. That must have been an awkward meeting.
Maybe the Mausers' told Eric's parents that's what they believed and Eric's parents didn't feel comfortable to disagree in the situation.
Until I get some other conformation that is what Eric's parents actually believe, its still an open question for me.


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No disrespect I am excited to read the book, but part of me wonders...will the Klebolds still not fully 100% accept what Dylan Klebold did without putting most of the blame on Eric? If I read this book, and I STILL see that they're making excuses for Dylan the book will be going in the trash. It is that simple. There is NO excuses for what that kid did, PERIOD. Parent or not! It's been almost 20 years, and it is time to understand that. I just hope she does/did the right thing.

I wouldn't be so hard on her. You don't get over something like that. You cling to anything that can make you feel better.

Both Wayne and Kathy Harris have pretty much written Eric off as a psychopath - they seem to feel that they tried their best, but the kid was mentally broken and hid his true nature from them.

Should that not piss us off even more than the Klebolds' attempt to preserve at least some semblance of their son's dignity? Or should we say, "We cannot begin to understand what they have gone through ... let them think whatever they need to think in order to get through the day"?
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yo,

hopefully - they are gonna tell em k. harris would have wished rather revenge - or they ll be sweet... do not get it.

kevin the great bra? and eric? totally weird?

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First of all, I'm looking forward to this book and will definitely read it.

I must say, though, that cover does look quite amateurish and the title is really generic and even boring from a marketing point of view. That could be the book title of any mother who has lost her child. (Of course, I understand that the title for this one would never be something sensationalized like "Columbine killer's mother...")

Still, I would have gone with some different, more detailed and creative title, even just something like My son Dylan.

(The cover photo is beautiful, though. Suits the story and purpose of this book, I believe.)

But I applaud Sue Klebold for writing this book!

On a side note, she was 50 when Columbine happened, and now she is 66. It's natural and that's how life goes, but it's also somehow sad. Dylan Klebold will forever be 17, but her family is getting gray and old - without him.

The TV interview sounds also interesting, first time seeing and hearing Sue Klebold live. I wonder if they will show some never-before-seen video clips of Dylan, for example the video of him getting ready for prom. They showed it to the author of the book Far From the Tree. I think that video would show the audience how normal Dylan acted just days before the massacre.
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I don't know, I see her catching a lot of heat for this. I could be completely wrong- I hope I am- but I think people might be hard on her. Allot of people believed that she and the Harris's held the key to what went wrong with their boys, yet shes waited 16 years to speak; thereby, not preventing other such tragedies.

Although, it's probably been long enough that a memoir of her struggles after Columbine will be accepted. Maybe she'll offer some helpful insights into Dylan, who knows.

Hopefully it goes well for her. I, for one, can't wait to read her book, and watch the interview. From what I've read so far - the couple times shes spoken about Dylan - I like her. She seems like a very compassionate, intelligent woman.
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I don't know, I see her catching a lot of heat for this. I could be completely wrong- I hope I am- but I think people might be hard on her. Allot of people believed that she and the Harris's held the key to what went wrong with their boys, yet shes waited 16 years to speak; thereby, not preventing other such tragedies.

Although, it's probably been long enough that a memoir of her struggles after Columbine will be accepted. Maybe she'll offer some helpful insights into Dylan, who knows.

Hopefully it goes well for her. I, for one, can't wait to read her book, and watch the interview. From what I've read so far - the couple times shes spoken about Dylan - I like her. She seems like a very compassionate, intelligent woman.  

A few years back she wrote an article briefly describing what Columbine was like and the aftermath. For the most part, responses towards her were positive. But you still had your people who complained and put her down. They were saying things like she's totally neglecting what Dylan and Eric did because she talked a lot about mental illness and suicide. That she was more concerned that her son committed suicide than what he did to his victims. I don't see that at all. I get where she's coming from. If she would have seen the signs of mental illness and depression in Dylan ahead of time, then maybe she could have intervened. Regardless of what anyone thinks, she too lost a child that day and has a right to mourn him just like all the other parents. Some of these people act like she's way out of line to address suicide. Ultimately, I think anyways, that part of the reason Dylan wanted to do Columbine was to finally get the nerve to kill himself.

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Good, I'm happy to hear she received some positive responses. That family doesn't need anymore grief, god knows they've had more than their fair share of that. She absolutely has the right to mourn her child. I give her major props for being so open about it and sticking by her son, that takes courage.

Suicide was a major factor in the shooting for Dylan; her addressing that is very important.



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It'll be nothing more than a self preserving "I'm sorry" tale by which she'll make a good check on regardless of anything you'll ever be told.

But I'm okay with it. SK wasn't nearly in touch with her reality as a parent & likely never bonded with either of her children in certain critical stages of child development. Still doesn't mean she wasn't as good or better than 90% of the Mom's in this world.

90% of the kids didn't gun down their school.
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Fatheroftwo,
People have said far worse about the two sets of parents and you will always believe what you like but you are basically calling her a bad and neglectful Mom and saying that she bears some of the blame for Dylan killing others and himself. Pretty harsh IMO, but I guess you must feel the same about Eric's Mother?


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It'll be nothing more than a self preserving "I'm sorry" tale by which she'll make a good check on regardless of anything you'll ever be told.

But I'm okay with it.  SK wasn't nearly in touch with her reality as a parent & likely never bonded with either of her children in certain critical stages of child development.  Still doesn't mean she wasn't as good or better than 90% of the Mom's in this world.

90% of the kids didn't gun down their school.
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People have said far worse about the two sets of parents and you will  always believe what you like but you are basically calling her a bad and neglectful Mom and saying that she bears some of the blame for Dylan killing others and himself. Pretty harsh IMO, but I guess you must feel the same about Eric's Mother?


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It'll be nothing more than a self preserving "I'm sorry" tale by which she'll make a good check on regardless of anything you'll ever be told.

But I'm okay with it.  SK wasn't nearly in touch with her reality as a parent & likely never bonded with either of her children in certain critical stages of child development.  Still doesn't mean she wasn't as good or better than 90% of the Mom's in this world.

90% of the kids didn't gun down their school.



Not saying that at all. Clearly stated SK is in the top 10% of all Mom's.

It's not a perfect world, people have unrealistic perceptions. Read what I posted from a different perspective & you'll see the point as SK being no different if not a better parent than 90% of her peers. Yet the other 90%'s kids most likely never pulled of a Columbine.

It's not on her.

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People have said far worse about the two sets of parents and you will  always believe what you like but you are basically calling her a bad and neglectful Mom and saying that she bears some of the blame for Dylan killing others and himself. Pretty harsh IMO, but I guess you must feel the same about Eric's Mother?


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It'll be nothing more than a self preserving "I'm sorry" tale by which she'll make a good check on regardless of anything you'll ever be told.

But I'm okay with it.  SK wasn't nearly in touch with her reality as a parent & likely never bonded with either of her children in certain critical stages of child development.  Still doesn't mean she wasn't as good or better than 90% of the Mom's in this world.

90% of the kids didn't gun down their school.




Not saying that at all.  Clearly stated SK is in the top 10% of all Mom's.

It's not a perfect world, people have unrealistic perceptions.   Read what I posted from a different perspective & you'll see the point as SK being no different if not a better parent than 90% of her peers.  Yet the other 90%'s kids most likely never pulled of a Columbine.

It's not on her.


Yep, harsh


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People have said far worse about the two sets of parents and you will  always believe what you like but you are basically calling her a bad and neglectful Mom and saying that she bears some of the blame for Dylan killing others and himself. Pretty harsh IMO, but I guess you must feel the same about Eric's Mother?


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It'll be nothing more than a self preserving "I'm sorry" tale by which she'll make a good check on regardless of anything you'll ever be told.

But I'm okay with it.  SK wasn't nearly in touch with her reality as a parent & likely never bonded with either of her children in certain critical stages of child development.  Still doesn't mean she wasn't as good or better than 90% of the Mom's in this world.

90% of the kids didn't gun down their school.



Not saying that at all.  Clearly stated SK is in the top 10% of all Mom's.

It's not a perfect world, people have unrealistic perceptions.   Read what I posted from a different perspective & you'll see the point as SK being no different if not a better parent than 90% of her peers.  Yet the other 90%'s kids most likely never pulled of a Columbine.

It's not on her.


I agree with the others. Your accusation was harsh and quite rude. Susan Klebold has already said that all the profits from the book will be going towards mental illness/suicide causes, so her doing it for the money, as you implied, obviously isn't the case.

And what makes you think she never bonded with her children? Dylan was mentally sick with severe depression, and sometimes, no matter how much bonding you do with your children, there are some things they just won't open up about.

I'm sure Susan Klebold probably still has torturous thoughts and beats herself up about it everyday (wondering what she missed and what she could have done to prevent Dylan from doing what he did).

Personally, I'm glad she's decided to share her story. I think she is doing it to try and help parents become more aware of mental illness/suicidal thoughts so that it can help other parents catch warning signs she missed in her own child.

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I too think your post was quite harsh and a bit jerk-ish.

I don't know though, maybe you are right. I'm a Fatherofnone so perhaps parents know better than me.
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I am not taking sides here, but by weird coincidence I just read these passages in Comprehending Columbine by Ralph W. Larkin:

"The Klebold family, according to confidential sources, was not a particularly happy one. Dylan and his older brother fought continuously. Relationships within the family were not particularly nourishing..." (138)

"However, Tom and sue Klebold were not particularly demonstrative, nor were their relationships with their children characterized by warmth or touching. Although relationships were filled with conflict, they were not physically violent. Tom and sue Klebold attempted to raise their children with a strong sense of morality and adherence to personal values. Both boys knew right from wrong. However, there was not much joy in the house..." (139)

I don't blame the Klebolds for NBK and I don't think Sue Klebold is putting out the book for money, but I thought the passages above were relevant to this thread.

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I think those quotes came from Randy and Judy Brown, and I am almost certain it was after they had fallen out with the Klebolds. No family is perfect but I don't know how much stock you can put into this considering the source.
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I think those quotes came from Randy and Judy Brown, and I am almost certain it was after they had fallen out with the Klebolds. No family is perfect but I don't know how much stock you can put into this considering the source.

I was thinking the same thing but I've never read that book so I wasn't sure. I don't listen to much of what the browns say, they're very much of the Dylan was a follower, Eric was the devil mindset. Not Brooks of course, but he annoys me in his own way.
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I too think your post was quite harsh and a bit jerk-ish.

I don't know though, maybe you are right. I'm a Fatherofnone so perhaps parents know better than me.

Blunt but factual (in my mind at least).. if you could hear my tone it would read a lot different.

My thoughts are based on experience, psychology & history.. most parents aren't as good/tight with their kids as they believe, most troubled kids didn't bond during critical stages of child development, most non profit/pro bono efforts retain a direct or indirect financial gain & the book's motivation is almost certainly centered on personal healing.. consciously or not. None of my thoughts are original.. taken from others.

Aside from that, most seem to miss my key point.. I think SK is likely in the top tier of quality parents & had little to nothing to do with her son acting out in a mass killing. We are all flawed & that is human. If 4/20 were to never happen SK would be regarded as a great parent very likely. Unfortunately her son pulled off 4/20 & she is responsible to a degree in the eyes of many.
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Thank you for explaining more,Father of Two.I don't agree with you but I do appreciate more insight into your thought process.

I obviously wasn't in their home but I've never seen anything to suggest that E &D's parents were not loving parents.The "But their kids went on a shooting spree." is not enough to prove this to me as I feel this is something that could happen to many, many parents under the right circumstances.
I am sure they made mistakes and there are things they desperately wish they could do over, but I feel every parent, no matter how dedicated makes mistakes.
As to whether they properly bonded with their sons or not, I don't know.All I see are loving parents and the fact that their parents were some of the few people E &D seemed to love.
You can make the argument that if E &D had really loved their parents they would not have went through with it, but that brings you back to saying that everyone who commits suicide don't care about their loved ones which I don't believe could be true at all.
I think there was sincere love between E &D and their parents.

I think SK' sincerely hopes to help people with her book,but I also think she wants to tell her story in her words as she experienced it and try to clear the air about she and her Husband being bad parents .
The book is also likely part of her process of personal healing but I see nothing wrong with that.Many victims famalies said that the books they wrote or the things they do to honor their loved ones are part of their healing process.
I see no reason that SK should not have that same opportunity as they.The woman has been through Hell with little support, people have tried to deny and invalidate her grief. She deserves this chance.If the thought of this book being part of her healing process offends anyone they don't have to read it.There are many people who will blame her and her husband no matrer what she says or does.These peoples minds are fixed.Nothing less than going through a similar tragedy would ever chance it.
But SK probably hopes to reach those whose minds aren't so made up, who were too young at the time to have an opinion or who is willing to hear her out before assigning blame to her.
I cannot say that I blame her for any of her motivations or reasons stated above.


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If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.
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If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.


Bingo. There is a lot more they could have done, but being realistic.. E&D's parents were pretty solid on the scale of parenthood. As a parent I can easily admit the circumstances could have been the same for me, nobody thinks the quirky or even troublesome times their child goes thru is going to lead to NBK.

I lived minutes from Jeffrey Dahmer's parents house where he was raised & the area his father resides in to this day. Had a common friend who worked with Dahmer's father & they went to lunch together 4 or 5 x's a week. The Dad knew his son was very different, was conscious of the diabolical relationship between his ex wife & son and even knew Jeffrey was likely going to do "something", but never in a lifetime did he expect it to be serial killing. The father did what he could over time, but in reality what can you do outside of having your child sent to a mental institution & locked in for life?

I've walked in their shoes, I took the situation head on & thankfully nothing has happened.. but despite my efforts it could have if the person of concern had chosen to act upon their anger.
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I'm not sure that I can agree they had a lackadaisical approach to E &D's comings and goings.
When most of this planning was going on E &D were 16 and 17 years old.
Most kids that age have a certain measure of freedom.
E &D did have curfews and they were reasonable. E &D definitely weren't out running around at 3 or 4 in the morning unless they sneaked out. They were punished for breaking curfew.
Dylan was grounded for this in the last few weeks before his death.

E &D had been in some trouble at school and with the break in and I think their parents were concerned for a while but really it wasn't that serious.
IMO there was nothing in their records to presage something like the shooting was coming. I think that Eric's dad kept that diary because he was concerned that Eric would keep getting in trouble for petty crimes and ruin his future about getting a job or getting into college.
I do not think he was concerned about Eric committing an act of violence until the day of the shooting when he likely came home to a house smelling of gas, gun parts strewn on his son's
dresser and put two and two together.
People have criticized E and D's parents for not separating them for good after the van break in or not punishing them more harshly for that, but unless there are things not known, I don't see their actions as
neglectful .
I think there were mistakes made and maybe E &D didn't get what they needed in some ways from their parents but it seems their folks did the best they could. I don't think they ever saw the potential for such violence in their son.


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If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.
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FatherofTwo,
I would like to hear from a parent or parents who are have or are willing to keep an open mind and not just blindly condemn E &D's parents as most do, what knowing the knowledge we are aware they had at the time what E &D's parents failed to do or should have done differently.
Thanks for sharing the anecdotes about Jeff's dad.
His devotion to his son until the end was touching and couldn't have been easy.
It's hard to imagine what he and the family must have went through.



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If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.

Bingo.  There is a lot more they could have done, but being realistic..  E&D's parents were pretty solid on the scale of parenthood.  As a parent I can easily admit the circumstances could have been the same for me, nobody thinks the quirky or even troublesome times their child goes thru is going to lead to NBK.

I lived minutes from Jeffrey Dahmer's parents house where he was raised & the area his father resides in to this day.  Had a common friend who worked with Dahmer's father & they went to lunch together 4 or 5 x's a week.  The Dad knew his son was very different, was conscious of the diabolical relationship between his ex wife & son and even knew Jeffrey was likely going to do "something", but never in a lifetime did he expect it to be serial killing.  The father did what he could over time, but in reality what can you do outside of having your child sent to a mental institution & locked in for life?

I've walked in their shoes, I took the situation head on & thankfully nothing has happened..  but despite my efforts it could have if the person of concern had chosen to act upon their anger.  
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I come across him from time to time. I don't bother reading his stuff anymore. Ever since I saw him calling the columbiner kids mutants, I can't picture him as anything other than an angry little mutant with stream coming out of his ears typing furiously at his computer.
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Funny. I've been aware of trench since not long after Columbine happened and he never seems to change or evolve his stance on anything. For a few years after the shooting he and some friends of his spent a lot of time harassing E &D sympathizers online, getting their websites and blogs taken down and so on.
He would do this even to people 25 ,30 years younger than himself .
After a while he stopped this and just concentrated on his blogs.
From the beginning though, he has never had a shred of sympathy or compassion for the loss E &D's parents suffered. He thinks what happened is partly their fault and they didn't lose anything .

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Funny. I've been aware of trench since not long after Columbine happened and he never seems to change or evolve his stance on anything. For a few years after the shooting he and some friends of his spent a lot of time harassing E &D sympathizers online, getting their websites and blogs taken down and so on.
He would do this even to people 25 ,30 years younger than himself .
After a while he stopped this and just concentrated on his blogs.
From the beginning though, he has never had a shred of sympathy or compassion for the loss E &D's parents suffered. He thinks what happened is partly their fault and they didn't lose anything .

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I come across him from time to time. I don't bother reading his stuff anymore. Ever since I saw him calling the columbiner kids mutants, I can't picture him as anything other than an angry little mutant with stream coming out of his ears typing furiously at his computer.

What's his deal though, was he somehow personally effected by it? He's not a particularly good writer, I mean seriously how many times are you going to use the word scumbag, come up with something else.
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This is what I heard back then. Trench had a poetry site up at the time of the shooting called The Trenchcoat and it was full of "dark" poetry. The media came across it and thought it was associated with the TCM and published stories about it which offended Trench.
He claimed he got hate mail because of this and he has been on a crusade against E &D, their parents, and any and all of their sympathizers ever since. I know next to nothing about his old site so I can't tell you anything about it firsthand.
He has toned it down over the last few years but its still ongoing.
He also has crusades against any school shooter or shooter and the West Memphis Three. He has a burning hatred for Damien Echols and is convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt they are guilty.
Many WM3 supporters have argued with him for years but got nowhere.
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Trench is about the biggest Columbine troll I have seen on the internet.

I'm not entirely sure how much of the stuff he writes he really believes himself - I think he just puts it to get a raise out of the Eric and Dylan 'fans' - and it seems he's still got it...

For what it's worth, I think he's a bit of an asshole (despite actually agreeing with him on certain points - not the blaming the parents bit though).
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@ Jenn: sounds a bit like: Adorno has sided with Marx and Engels - just to vote for the republicans (or confederates, actually).

In this case, Holzkamp would have written his pieces of work - just to make Ute Osterkamp really angry ( - like "-and that's gettin' really old jokes") - while makin' others sick.
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I can only assume that he believes what he says because he has been at this for so long.
That and we aren't the only people he has a crusade against but in the end, who knows?



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I'm not entirely sure how much of the stuff he writes he really believes himself - I think he just puts it to get a raise out of the Eric and Dylan 'fans' - and it seems he's still got it...

For what it's worth, I think he's a bit of an asshole (despite actually agreeing with him on certain points - not the blaming the parents bit though).
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I'm extremely excited regarding this book. I can only imagine the horror she and her family suffered. They also lost a child, and to add to that loss..the constant questioning and blame game.

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as soon asmy paypal acc is gonna workin', I' pre-ordering or order her book as well - yo.

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as soon asmy paypal acc is gonna workin', I' pre-ordering or order her book as well - yo.

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I hope she doesn't just spout the whole "Dyl was just a follower" or "Everyone agrees Eric was a sociopath, Dylan just wanted to commit suicide" spiel...I'd think the best way to heal would be honesty in her thoughts to the public..then again, it's probably much easier to accept that he followed out of suicidal reasoning..I can't imagine the loss of a child, so I guess if her usual stance in past interviews, etc helps her live through the nightmare, I can understand.
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I will preorder her book as soon as possible.

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