Dylan physically harming coworker

In the 11k report, there is a part that talks about Dylan hitting one of his female coworkers at Blackjack during an argument. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Do you believe that it happened or do you think the story was exaggerated?

I think he did it, Dylan was a loose cannon, he was attacking girls in his gym class, at work, and going off on teachers.

The guy shot at women - I see no reason why not to believe the accusation.

Totally agree with Aubre and Radioactive.

Dylan threatened a lot of people. I'm sure this incident actually happened. Why certain people seem to resist seeing how violent Dylan Klebold was is beyond me... Just look at the clip from the theater rehearsal when the kid brushes his duster as a joke. He turns around and gives his fellow cast members a look of lethal hatred.

Between slapping girls and threatening to kill retarded kids, even pre-NBK Dylan was a real lamb wasn't he?

Agreed.

Dylan definately had it in him. Just because most of the time he hid his anger better than Eric, doesn't mean it wasn't there. People have this illusion that Dylan was just a follower of Eric who didn't neccessarily want to be 100% part of the shooting. But they were both in it together equally, albeit for different reasons. If Dylan would shoot girls, why wouldn't he hit one? Considering his unrequited love, I'm sure he would easily have been angry enough to do it.

Dylan gave so much shit to girls in his gym class that even Eric told him to pull his head in.

Well...
If he was bullied it would make sense that he would do this to girls. Remember bullies only go after those that are weaker than them.

deathmedic wrote:

Well...
If he was bullied it would make sense that he would do this to girls. Remember bullies only go after those that are weaker than them.

Yeah. And also he was angry at girls specifically because he was bitter about them not going out with him and for his love never being returned.

My take on this incident (and the many others like it) is that it shows Dylan's essentially bullying and sadistic personality.

Maybe it seems redundant to say that about a homicidal killer. But this just proves that neither Eric nor Dylan "snapped" on 4/20. Their behavior and taunting was a continuation of what both of them had done to many people at the school for years.

Just look at all the people in the 11k who describe Eric and Dylan as bullies

lasttrain wrote:

My take on this incident (and the many others like it) is that it shows Dylan's essentially bullying and sadistic personality.  

Maybe it seems redundant to say that about a homicidal killer.  But this just proves that neither Eric nor Dylan "snapped" on 4/20.  Their behavior and taunting was a continuation of what both of them had done to many people at the school for years.  

Just look at all the people in the 11k who describe Eric and Dylan as bullies

Not to mention the story Brooks Brown tells about them shooting BB guns at little kids who were out trick or treating. That's quite sadistic and cowardly -- hiding up on a roof taking pot shots at little grade school kids dressed up for Halloween.

Gustopoet2 wrote:

Not to mention the story Brooks Brown tells about them shooting BB guns at little kids who were out trick or treating. That's quite sadistic and cowardly -- hiding up on a roof taking pot shots at little grade school kids dressed up for Halloween.  

Practicing perhaps?

eli27 wrote:

deathmedic wrote:

Well...
If he was bullied it would make sense that he would do this to girls. Remember bullies only go after those that are weaker than them.

Yeah. And also I think he was angry at girls specifically because he was bitter about them not going out with him and his love never being returned.

I've always seen it this way too.

I've often frequented forums where men talk with great zeal about their insecurity's in their masculinity and one of their favorite topics seem to be, basically, about how they're always rejected by woman or mistreated, therefore all woman must be bad and they get very bitter about it.

Not that the feminist are any better, I lost my interest in that topic a long time ago.

They're all a bunch of people who can't see the forest for the trees.

At any rate, I've always viewed Dylan's attitude towards woman and love a little differently than most.

eli27 wrote:

Gustopoet2 wrote:

Not to mention the story Brooks Brown tells about them shooting BB guns at little kids who were out trick or treating. That's quite sadistic and cowardly -- hiding up on a roof taking pot shots at little grade school kids dressed up for Halloween.  

Practicing perhaps?

Yeah that's what makes it so creepy.

eli27 wrote:

Gustopoet2 wrote:

Not to mention the story Brooks Brown tells about them shooting BB guns at little kids who were out trick or treating. That's quite sadistic and cowardly -- hiding up on a roof taking pot shots at little grade school kids dressed up for Halloween.  

Practicing perhaps?

I doubt this. NBK wasn't even in their mind in Halloween '96. They were just being a bunch of douche bag kids.

lol wrote:

eli27 wrote:

Gustopoet2 wrote:

Not to mention the story Brooks Brown tells about them shooting BB guns at little kids who were out trick or treating. That's quite sadistic and cowardly -- hiding up on a roof taking pot shots at little grade school kids dressed up for Halloween.  

Practicing perhaps?

I doubt this. NBK wasn't even in their mind in Halloween '96. They were just being a bunch of douche bag kids.

I was only joking.

"douche bags"? WHAT!?

about three years ago - I taked to a guy from Berlin, I never had met before.
(...)
later on (@ Eastern Station (Ostbahnhof)) some "cool tourist (or tourist lookin' and behaving like one)" said (lookin' @ him - then @ me):
I lobe douche bags.

"And - I love TRAINS and sky scrapers - by ignoring people really thin' of as well as about - suicide - yo."

Alright. Okay. In 2012 - we've had Obama.
(And Anders Behring Breivik havin' been declared as kinda "sane" person - not only regretting not having killed more people (accoriding to youtube, Germa news paper articles (a lot!!) - and actually ruining his life -- death penalty e. g. might be really brutal - however, i'm not from TX or another Southern State, so - maybe I cannot reall judge Texas - or even Connecticut - I don't know - actually - sometime. (...))

anyways - I take it way 2 seriously than havin' a real cause to joke about it.
rather agree to "maybe practicing".

yeah - no matter what, but - a new Halloween day an' a ne all hollow's EVE will occur - yo.

;D

greetz and see ya then - or possibly not - who knows...?

NightshiftSTALKER

yeah.

Gustopoet2 wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

My take on this incident (and the many others like it) is that it shows Dylan's essentially bullying and sadistic personality.  

Maybe it seems redundant to say that about a homicidal killer.  But this just proves that neither Eric nor Dylan "snapped" on 4/20.  Their behavior and taunting was a continuation of what both of them had done to many people at the school for years.  

Just look at all the people in the 11k who describe Eric and Dylan as bullies

Not to mention the story Brooks Brown tells about them shooting BB guns at little kids who were out trick or treating. That's quite sadistic and cowardly -- hiding up on a roof taking pot shots at little grade school kids dressed up for Halloween.  

Very interesting. Where is the story?

lasttrain wrote:

Very interesting.  Where is the story?

"I think the story that got me the most was the one they told about Halloween of junior year. That night the two of them went up on a roof with a BB gun and took shots at little kids who were trick-or-treating. They said the kids would look around, all confused at what hit them, but because Eric and Dylan were concealed in the darkness of the roof, they never knew. They told about this over lunch, laughing like it was the funniest joke in the world." (p.72)

-- from No Easy Answers by Brooks Brown and Rob Merritt

lol wrote:

I doubt this. NBK wasn't even in their mind in Halloween '96. They were just being a bunch of douche bag kids.

Since this happened in their Junior year -- 1998 -- it would have been well within the planning stages of NBK, btw. Only about 6 months away.

Gustopoet2 wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

Very interesting.  Where is the story?

"I think the story that got me the most was the one they told about Halloween of junior year. That night the two of them went up on a roof with a BB gun and took shots at little kids who were trick-or-treating. They said the kids would look around, all confused at what hit them, but because Eric and Dylan were concealed in the darkness of the roof, they never knew. They told about this over lunch, laughing like it was the funniest joke in the world." (p.72)

-- from No Easy Answers by Brooks Brown and Rob Merritt

lol wrote:

I doubt this. NBK wasn't even in their mind in Halloween '96. They were just being a bunch of douche bag kids.

Since this happened in their Junior year -- 1998 -- it would have been well within the planning stages of NBK, btw. Only about 6 months away.

Their junior year was 1997/98. So this would have been Halloween 1997.

LPorter101 wrote:

Gustopoet2 wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

Very interesting.  Where is the story?

"I think the story that got me the most was the one they told about Halloween of junior year. That night the two of them went up on a roof with a BB gun and took shots at little kids who were trick-or-treating. They said the kids would look around, all confused at what hit them, but because Eric and Dylan were concealed in the darkness of the roof, they never knew. They told about this over lunch, laughing like it was the funniest joke in the world." (p.72)

-- from No Easy Answers by Brooks Brown and Rob Merritt

lol wrote:

I doubt this. NBK wasn't even in their mind in Halloween '96. They were just being a bunch of douche bag kids.

Since this happened in their Junior year -- 1998 -- it would have been well within the planning stages of NBK, btw. Only about 6 months away.

Their junior year was 1997/98. So this would have been Halloween 1997.

D-oh. You're right. Either way, shooting at the kids definitely seems to be a part of the NBK mind-set they were building up in each other.

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D-oh.  You're right. Either way, shooting at the kids definitely seems to be a part of the NBK mind-set they were building up in each other.

Yes.

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Columbine student Nate Dykeman told police he had witnessed Eric and Dylan detonating a pipe bomb in January of 1998, the same day that the Denver Broncos won the Super Bowl.

The Broncos won the Super Bowl on Sunday, January 25, 1998 - less than a week before the van break-in.

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lasttrain wrote:

lol wrote:

I doubt this. NBK wasn't even in their mind in Halloween '96. They were just being a bunch of douche bag kids.

Since this happened in their Junior year -- 1998 -- it would have been well within the planning stages of NBK, btw. Only about 6 months away.

You must understand that Brooks was intentionally lying to make it seem as if he was closer to them before the massacre happened, when in reality he never spoke to either of them in their junior year, besides Dylan finally speaking to Brooks in March '98 giving him Eric's website (for unknown reasons). Brooks stated that Eric and Dylan laughed and told Brooks about this in their junior year. Again, this doesn't add up in the time line for obvious reasons. Eric had a huge feud with Brooks starting Feb '97 with the snowball incident. They did not speak again after, and did not speak again till Jan '99 when Brooks wanted to bury the hatchet. Brooks did not speak to Eric junior year, so the logical explanation is that It happened in Halloween '96...their sophomore year, which again makes sense because at this point they were rebellious, and already starting their "missions". The missions slowly dyed out by late '97 in their junior year when Zach was slowly abandoning the team to spend more time with Devon.

lol wrote:

You must understand that Brooks was intentionally lying to make it seem as if he was closer to them before the massacre happened

No, I think they just told him the Halloween/BB gun story much later after the fact.

meenwhile wrote:

How bad does it hurt to get hit by a BB gun? I've seen small animals die via BB gun... Those kids must have been older (8-12), or crying their flipping heads off.

I think it was also a sawed-off BB gun.

meenwhile wrote:

How bad does it hurt to get hit by a BB gun? I've seen small animals die via BB gun... Those kids must have been older (8-12), or crying their flipping heads off.

It's possible for BB's to break the skin. My Aunt adopted a dog once who had a ton of BB's underneath his skin (he was an abused dog). If it would have hit one of the children just right it could hurt them pretty badly. Especially if they were hit some where on the face or near their eyes. Dylan and Eric are lucky that they didn't seriously hurt one of the kids they were shooting at.

Gustopoet2 wrote:

lol wrote:

You must understand that Brooks was intentionally lying to make it seem as if he was closer to them before the massacre happened

No, I think they just told him the Halloween/BB gun story much later after the fact.

meenwhile wrote:

How bad does it hurt to get hit by a BB gun? I've seen small animals die via BB gun... Those kids must have been older (8-12), or crying their flipping heads off.

I think it was also a sawed-off BB gun.

I doubt this. For one thing even after they "made up" Eric, Dylan, and Brooks in their senior year were not close as they were in their 9th and 10th grade year. Also, Brooks specifically said it happened in *junior year*, the same way how he stated that the wind shield incident was Feb '98 in their *junior year*, which is also wrong. Sounds to me he was intentionally lying.

lol wrote:

I doubt this. For one thing even after they "made up" Eric, Dylan, and Brooks in their senior year were not close as they were in their 9th and 10th grade year. Also, Brooks specifically said it happened in *junior year*, the same way how he stated that the wind shield incident was Feb '98 in their *junior year*, which is also wrong. Sounds to me he was intentionally lying.

I disagree. I think some of the chronology may be hazy here and there, but I fully believe the BB-gun/Halloween story. Doesn't seem like a made-up story at all.

Gustopoet2 wrote:

lol wrote:

I doubt this. For one thing even after they "made up" Eric, Dylan, and Brooks in their senior year were not close as they were in their 9th and 10th grade year. Also, Brooks specifically said it happened in *junior year*, the same way how he stated that the wind shield incident was Feb '98 in their *junior year*, which is also wrong. Sounds to me he was intentionally lying.

I disagree. I think some of the chronology may be hazy here and there, but I fully believe the BB-gun/Halloween story. Doesn't seem like a made-up story at all.

I don't believe he made it up. I just believe he messed up the dates...purposely though. I believe the Halloween incident happened in their sophomore year ('96) when they were all real good friends, and still close to each other. The windshield incident happened in Feb '97...but Brooks states in his book it was Feb '98

Personally, I really think he is deliberately lying with the dates. Besides his timeline wouldn't match. Why would Eric be at the bus stop in Feb '98, if he received his license in May '97, and Dylan received his in October '97.

lol wrote:

Gustopoet2 wrote:

lol wrote:

I doubt this. For one thing even after they "made up" Eric, Dylan, and Brooks in their senior year were not close as they were in their 9th and 10th grade year. Also, Brooks specifically said it happened in *junior year*, the same way how he stated that the wind shield incident was Feb '98 in their *junior year*, which is also wrong. Sounds to me he was intentionally lying.

I disagree. I think some of the chronology may be hazy here and there, but I fully believe the BB-gun/Halloween story. Doesn't seem like a made-up story at all.

I don't believe he made it up. I just believe he messed up the dates...purposely though. I believe the Halloween incident happened in their sophomore year ('96) when they were all real good friends, and still close to each other. The windshield incident happened in Feb '97...but Brooks states in his book it was Feb '98

Personally, I really think he is deliberately lying with the dates. Besides his timeline wouldn't match. Why would Eric be at the bus stop in Feb '98, if he received his license in May '97, and Dylan received his in October '97.

Eric and Dylan broke into the van on January 30th, 1998. It would not surprise me if Eric's parents suspended his driving privileges for a month or longer because of the incident.

If I am remembering right didn't this girl continue to hang out with E &D socially at work after this happened?
I think her Dad or Stepdad was some kind of a n explosive experts and involved with fireworks somehow? Or am I thinking of someone else?

WendlaBergman wrote:

lol wrote:

Gustopoet2 wrote:

lol wrote:

I doubt this. For one thing even after they "made up" Eric, Dylan, and Brooks in their senior year were not close as they were in their 9th and 10th grade year. Also, Brooks specifically said it happened in *junior year*, the same way how he stated that the wind shield incident was Feb '98 in their *junior year*, which is also wrong. Sounds to me he was intentionally lying.

I disagree. I think some of the chronology may be hazy here and there, but I fully believe the BB-gun/Halloween story. Doesn't seem like a made-up story at all.

I don't believe he made it up. I just believe he messed up the dates...purposely though. I believe the Halloween incident happened in their sophomore year ('96) when they were all real good friends, and still close to each other. The windshield incident happened in Feb '97...but Brooks states in his book it was Feb '98

Personally, I really think he is deliberately lying with the dates. Besides his timeline wouldn't match. Why would Eric be at the bus stop in Feb '98, if he received his license in May '97, and Dylan received his in October '97.

Eric and Dylan broke into the van on January 30th, 1998. It would not surprise me if Eric's parents suspended his driving privileges for a month or longer because of the incident.

Eric was grounded for 2 months after the van break in, so it would make sense that his car was taken for that period too.

Jenn wrote:

It's possible for BB's to break the skin. My Aunt adopted a dog once who had a ton of BB's underneath his skin (he was an abused dog). If it would have hit one of the children just right it could hurt them pretty badly. Especially if they were hit some where on the face or near their eyes. Dylan and Eric are lucky that they didn't seriously hurt one of the kids they were shooting at.

That is just a horrible story about the dog. Glad your aunt rescued the poor thing.

Believe it or not you can kill someone with a BB gun:

"As of 1995, the CDC stated, “3.2 million nonpowder guns are sold in the United States each year; 80% of these have muzzle velocities greater than 350 feet per second and 50% have velocities from 500 fps to 930 fps…  At close range, projectiles from many BB and pellet guns, especially those with velocities greater than 350 fps, can cause tissue damage similar to that inflicted by powder-charged bullets fired from low-velocity conventional firearms. Injuries associated with use of these guns can result in permanent disability or death.”

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They would not have been at close range when they were shooting at the little kids. But still...

I think its entirely possible. Not sure how much it was a "punch in the face", I assume he rather puched her or slapped her on the arm, but still, it wont surprise me.

No. Brooks was lying

The windshield incident happened Feb '97, in their 10th grade year. Brooks did not speak to Eric all 11th grade. We know this happened Feb '97 because Wayne Harris journal confirmed the date in his journal, and the windshield incident marked it on Feb 28, 1997. Not 1998

Didn't this girl continue to hang out with E &D socially at work after this? If I am thinking of the right one?

lol wrote:

No. Brooks was lying

The windshield incident happened Feb '97, in their 10th grade year. Brooks did not speak to Eric all 11th grade. We know this happened Feb '97 because Wayne Harris journal confirmed the date in his journal, and the windshield incident marked it on Feb 28, 1997. Not 1998

So you are saying Brooks lied to make it seem like he was closer to Eric than he actually was? Not that he was simply mistaken...

The Browns reported Eric's website to the police in March of 1998. That seems to support Brooks's version.

No, it did not. Wayne's journal started Feb 28, 1997.

Wayne clearly writes about Eric's vandalism that was in 10th grade. Eric on his website wrote about in his missions that they egged Nick Baumgart's house + glued the door locks or door I believe which was in 1997...around jan-march. Wayne in his journal spoke to Nicks mom, and she said the same thing that Eric did + add that Zach Heckler was involved. Wayne spoke with his mom also. Clearly this is their 10th grade year.

Zach was not close to Eric in 1998 as he wasa year prior. The timeline doesnt fit. After Zach meant Devon in the summer of 1997 he didnt hang out with Eric and Dylan as much, also Zach kept out of trouble after the computer hacking incident in October 97.

Wayne's journal started from the windshield incident in Feb 97, and I believe he stopped writing in April. He didnt write again in his journal until Eric's van incident that occurred in January 98

Brooks is lying because he is a known liar, and that book was written only a few years after the massacre. It sounds to me he's trying to sound as if he was closer to Eric than he actually was. He did not speak to Eric in their junior year.

Also if you read acolumbines website from Wayne's journal it is in chronological order. It starts in Feb 28 '97, and if you keep clicking next his last entry of that year is in April 29 '97. If you look at the next entry it's Jan 29, 1998.

Brooks either was intentionally lying, or forgot, but I lean on the former.

One more thing to add since I cant edit while on mobile. It is stated that Aaron Brown in August 1997 made an anonymous report of Eric's website to the Sheriff's office, which again questions Brooks by stating Dylan giving him Eric's website in March 98. It doesnt make sense if Brooks already knew of the website by August 1997 since it was reported by his own brother, and sheriff's officer came by and spoke to the family.

Thanks lol, always good interesting information from you. Great job.

This all does put Brown in a bad light then. Knowing this makes me much more suspicious of some of his other statements and in general makes me rank his book much lower than I used to. Now I'm starting to think its actually quite bad as a source.

Also, was Brooks one of the people who was interviewd by Larkin? I remember someone here at the forums was able to identify some of the interviewees (one was Devon Adams iirc). Any help on finding out if Brooks is in Larkin's interviews and if so, whcih one is it?

I always found Randy to be good to clarify some of the things Brooks stated that don't quite add up.

Get in touch with him, he's always been happy to answer any questions I've had for him.

lol wrote:

Also if you read acolumbines website from Wayne's journal it is in chronological order. It starts in Feb 28 '97, and if you keep clicking next his last entry of that year is in April 29 '97. If you look at the next entry it's Jan 29, 1998.

Brooks either was intentionally lying, or forgot, but I lean on the former.

Hold on -- everything I've read says that the Browns reported Eric's website in 1998. Please provide a source for your assertion that they reported Eric 1997.

Also, I don't think there is any evidence that Brooks is intentionally lying to make himself seem closer to Eric. He went to lunch with Eric and Dylan the day before the attack. So he was evidently close enough to them....

Thanks, Sabratha.

Also, gusto I digged it up via the 11K. I'll try and find the exact page to give you an exact source, but here's one,
"A “concerned citizen” reveals the Eric Harris web site to Deputy Mike Burgess, who
refers the report (the directed report) to Investigator John Hicks."

Jeff Kass also referenced this in his book,
On August 7, 1997 "Brooks Brown’s younger brother, Aaron, walked into the Jefferson County sheriff’s substation and reported Eric Harris’ website to Deputy Michael Burgess. Burgess later wrote that the tipster was an anonymous, “concerned citizen,” but Aaron apparently gave Burgess his address. Within forty-five minutes, Burgess requested that an officer be dispatched to the Browns’ house. Deputy Dennis Huner met with one or both of Aaron’s parents and left the house at 1:40 p.m. with seven web pages, recounting the night missions and Eric’s many rants. Huner gave the pages to Burgess at the station, and Burgess wrote a cover sheet indicating that “Dillon Klebled” was one of Harris’ followers. He then sent it to investigator John Hicks, who filed it away and never looked at it again."

I really do question Dylan giving Brooks Eric's website. Brooks, and his family already knew about the summer prior. Also, the way he made it seem as if he was dumbfounded when he saw Eric's website after Dylan supposedly gave him a note doesn't make much sense; again assuming he already knew this in the summer of '97. Look I'm not here to diss out Brooks. He dealt with a lot of shit from the corruption of Jeffco blaming him, and his family, along with being seen as a possible 3rd shooter. I think he has a lot of good information about the killers but him apparently "forgetting" that the windshield incident happened in their 10th grade year, not 11th grade year made it seem odd, along with overdramatically calling Eric and Dylan "the losers of the losers, and the bottom of the entire school". This is clearly not the case. He also stated on reddit that he went to Dylan's funeral. No he did not. He went to Rachel's funeral. He contradicts himself time, and time again.

While we can look to him for some information just remember he's not 100%, and kids at CHS weren't lying when they called him a compulsive liar.

lol wrote:

Also, gusto I digged it up via the 11K....Jeff Kass also referenced this in his book,

Nice catch, lol. Thank you so much for this information. Hmmm.  

lol wrote:

I really do question Dylan giving Brooks Eric's website. Brooks, and his family already knew about the summer prior. Also, the way he made it seem as if he was dumbfounded when he saw Eric's website after Dylan supposedly gave him a note doesn't make much sense; again assuming he already knew this in the summer of '97.

Very interesting. How do you think Aaron or Brooks originally found out about the website?

lol wrote:

Look I'm not here to diss out Brooks. He dealt with a lot of shit from the corruption of Jeffco blaming him, and his family, along with being seen as a possible 3rd shooter. I think he has a lot of good information about the killers but him apparently "forgetting" that the windshield incident happened in their 10th grade year, not 11th grade year made it seem odd,

Agree. It is odd.

lol wrote:

 along with overdramatically calling Eric and Dylan "the losers of the losers, and the bottom of the entire school". This is clearly not the case. He also stated on reddit that he went to Dylan's funeral. No he did not. He went to Rachel's funeral. He contradicts himself time, and time again.

He does seem to be a chronic exaggerator if nothing else.

lol wrote:

While we can look to him for some information just remember he's not 100%, and kids at CHS weren't lying when they called him a compulsive liar.

That's true. Brooks is a witness to the events, not an authority on them. That's true for any of the various witnesses, of course. You have to use good judgement when evaluating sources. Thanks for pointing all of this out and for providing the sources.

If there's something I'd trust Kass strongly with, its local events, local news and Jeffco chronology. Kass delt with Jeffco himself and was busy with that. I'd believe him over Brooks in this case.

I agree with Gusto - Brown is not so much a liar, as an exaggerator and he tends to bend or manipulate facts rather than make them up out of thin air. I think we can all agree that he overstated how well he know E&D during HS years (especially past freshman year) and that he downplayed the lenght and the way in which his feud with Eric went.

Also... if the windshield event took place in 1997, then there were no pipebombs in Eric's pack. I don't think he was making them that early on.

rebdomine91 wrote:

In the 11k report, there is a part that talks about Dylan hitting one of his female coworkers at Blackjack during an argument. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Do you believe that it happened or do you think the story was exaggerated?

We touched on this topic here also when discussing 'Dylan's Meltdowns' which some may find interesting: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I posted the following in that thread about the hitting incident:

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It wasn't his manager, it was a co-worker (i assume a supervisor) who claimed that this happened. She worked at the store between September 96 - March 99.

M.H "described Dylan as a difficult person who was often rude. She said that he hit her once because she had counseled him on an infraction at work." pg(10150) She describes E/D as "good friends" and appears to know quite a bit about them. M.H only seems to have been interviewed over two pages pg(10150 - 1) and the information she provided is recorded in a numbered list. She does not elaborate on the hitting incident any further.

If indeed he did "hit" his co-worker it is quite shocking that he would not have been at the very least reprimanded for it. However Blackjack employees seemed to be aware of many other questionable incidents that E/D were involved in at the store and neither got fired for it. It doesn't sound to me like Blackjack was that much of a serious working environment.
This incident could have happened when B.Kirgis was the manager:
"Kirgis admitted to this reporting supervisor that he is an alcoholic, and at times he drank at work, and left Harris in charge while he left the store for any reason." pg(10170) It was also reported Kirgis allowed E/D to play Doom at work. pg(10154) Also " Johnson stated that he had seen cocaine and marijuana at the Pizza store, while he had been working there. He stated that Kirgis seemed to be the person who brought the drugs into the store. He also said Kirgis told him that Harris and Klebold had set off a pipe bomb at the store." pg(10156)
If the hitting incident occurred around this time it's not really surprising nothing was done about it or that it wasn't reported. Perhaps M.H didn't feel anything would be done if she did report the incident. There could be many other reasons why she didn't report the incident. Likewise the reason Dylan did not get fired could have possibly been that nobody else knew.

Not that there is any excuse for this behavior, but i wonder what she meant by "hit," i only say that as i have seen others claim that Dylan slapped her across the face in the middle of the shop which just seems like an exaggerated account of what this girl actually said. It's unacceptable either way but i do wonder what the nature of the "hit" was.

(I had a brief glace at the Master Index and M.H does not seem to have been interviewed elsewhere in the documents).
There is another female interviewed in the "Tips" section with the same surname pg(13230) who says her bother and sister worked at Blackjack and they have both been interviewed. At a guess i would say this is M.H's sister, however she does not comment on the hitting and there seems to be no interview for the brother recorded in the Master Index. You'd think the brother may have had something to say if his sister had been "hit" by another guy at work. If anyone does find his interview anywhere it would be interesting to see if he mentions it, i only checked on the Master Index and there was no male with the same family surname, but of course he could have had a different surname.

queenfarooq wrote:

We touched on this topic here also when discussing 'Dylan's Meltdowns' which some may find interesting: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I posted the following in that thread about the hitting incident

Thanks for this info!