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PostSubject: Another Eric Harris contradiction, in a good way.   Another Eric Harris contradiction, in a good way. Icon_minitimeSat Jun 11, 2016 9:52 am

He talks about rape in his journal but he had the opportunity to rape any female he came into contact on 4/20 but he didn't.

Just some more proof his journal was for show.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Eric Harris contradiction, in a good way.   Another Eric Harris contradiction, in a good way. Icon_minitimeSat Jun 11, 2016 1:04 pm

He probably wasn't planning on raping anyone on 4/20. Especially seeing as to how he planned on about a good chunk of the school being on fire and to be mowing down mobs of people with his weaponry.

And during the actual shooting, it probably was hard to maintain an erection whilst killing a bunch of high schoolers and working your way through the school.

Even then, he probably didn't think he had enough time to even try raping anyone. Of course he did, but he didn't know.

Sex was probably the last thing on his mind during the attack. The first thing he was focused on was killing. That's it.

This isn't proof by any means that his journal is for show.

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I'm not sure how I feel about this... I think that the situation didn't really allow it and after the bombs failed to explode it was the last thing on his mind. He wanted to kill that day, not to rape. He wanted to be remebered as a mass murderer not a rapist.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Eric Harris contradiction, in a good way.   Another Eric Harris contradiction, in a good way. Icon_minitimeSat Jun 11, 2016 2:30 pm

Well...sure, I guess. I wouldn't really call it a contradiction though rather that the journal entry was as good as fictional, for dramatic effect. Perhaps that night he was horny as hell or something and something triggered him to let out a content such as that. His translation of his DEEPER feelings was the contradiction, not in a literal sense of what he says. In a hypothetical sense should he want to rape someone though, 4/20 just wasn't that day. I think he would have chosen a separate occasion to do that. His night with Susan alone? Why didn't he do it then? Hence I strongly feel Eric isn't that type of person at all. I highly doubt he has rape in his heart anyways. Come on now. And as Sallad said he didn't wanna be remembered as a rapist but more as a mass murderer.

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I agree with liquorvamp. If he was going to rape someone...why not Susan? I can see him now. Awkwardly wrapping his arm around her while fake yawning lolololol

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Eric had a lot of opportunities to rape anyone especially Susan. But I could never see him as a rapist. He had too much respect for Susan and women in general. Did he?

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PostSubject: Re: Another Eric Harris contradiction, in a good way.   Another Eric Harris contradiction, in a good way. Icon_minitimeSun Jun 12, 2016 10:46 am

Well of course Eric wasn't going to rape anyone prior to the massacre or on the day. That's not to say Eric was morally above raping someone. I mean, he callously shot people at close range. If Eric didn't have his heart set on going "NBK", who knows what other crimes he could have potentially gone on to commit.
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I'm not really sure how I feel about Eric being a potential rapist. On the one hand, he wrote and definitely thought about it, and I think that even if NBK hadn't happened, he would not have been a normal, functional member of society. On the other hand, it seems like he was really sweet to the girls that he did interact with, so his writings in his journal may have just been a crazy fantasy that would never become reality. Either way, I think that was probably the last thing on his mind on 4/20.

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On the other hand, it seems like he was really sweet to the girls that he did interact with, so his writings in his journal may have just been a crazy fantasy that would never become reality

Women who were acquainted with Paul Bernardo and didn't really know him all that well described him as attentive and charming, never mind the fact that he was a vicious serial rapist who then went on to murder his victims. Just because someone seems "sweet" doesn't mean they necessarily are.
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I still don't see that Eric was talking about rape in that entry, instead of a longing for rough sex.
Others say they see it but I've never been able to.

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Wow, I can't quote at all, apparently. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],

Oh absolutely, I agree with that. We all know just how manipulative and deceiving people can really be. I'm just thinking that it's possible that his writings were born entirely out of sexual frustration, and should a relationship ever have really manifested for him, those thoughts and feelings would have disappeared entirely.

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That was a horny night for Eric I always thought. Perhaps he got done watching Beach Babes like Dylan mentioned in his yearbook. Hahah, apparently they have porno nights together so, meh Laughing
And anyway off-topic and perhaps inappropriate but, If let's say Eric managed to get a girl who consented sleeping with him, would he even know what to do? What sort of partner could he have been...ahah!

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I still don't see that Eric was talking about rape in that entry, instead of a longing for rough sex.
Others say they see it but I've never been able to.

Well he did also fantasize about killing people in his journal...and did exactly that. I don't really get the people who know that Eric stooped low enough to murder innocent kids but for some reason think that he couldn't possibly have been capable of committing a rape had the circumstances permitted it (i.e. he wasn't planning a massacre in the near future and decided to channel some of his anger/sexual frustration towards women specifically). That being said, none of us will ever know for sure what he would have done with his life had he never carried out the massacre.
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Really, it's grey area. Up for speculation because [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has a point. He's been writing about mass murder and he went and did it so, what are the odds about taking advantage of a girl? My opinion is no evidence at all, so I can't help it, I just somehow believe that he wouldn't do that to a girl. Like, even if he wanted to do he didn't have that sort of drive or confidence. He was no Paul Bernardo that's for sure. Plus I think I read somewhere that based on the meds he took and when he rapidly switched it, it sort of fueled his focus on murder much more hence he was even more dedicated to the journal entries regarding NBK and then started planning it.

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Was Eric capable of rape? Yes. Do I think he would have ever actually done it...? Leaning toward no. I just don't think he had the guts but bubbles makes a good point. People didn't think Eric would ever really shoot people and he did.

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I still don't see that Eric was talking about rape in that entry, instead of a longing for rough sex.
Others say they see it but I've never been able to.

Well he did also fantasize about killing people in his journal...and did exactly that. I don't really get the people who know that Eric stooped low enough to murder innocent kids but for some reason think that he couldn't possibly have been capable of committing a rape had the circumstances permitted it (i.e. he wasn't planning a massacre in the near future and decided to channel some of his anger/sexual frustration towards women specifically). That being said, none of us will ever know for sure what he would have done with his life had he never carried out the massacre.


I just don't see that entry as talking about a rape.In it, he talks about wanting to perform oral sex on the girls he's writing about which isn't the most typical rapist act.
The only thing I can see that people can point to is where he wrote "Who can I trick in my room first?
I think that meant who can I charm, seduce into my room ? Others interpret it differently.
I simply don't see him as a rapist and I don't know that because he was capable of one horrible act means he would necessarily be capable of another horrible act.Just my belief.Obviously others disagree.

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PaintItBlack wrote:
I still don't see that Eric was talking about rape in that entry, instead of a longing for rough sex.
Others say they see it but I've never been able to.

Well he did also fantasize about killing people in his journal...and did exactly that. I don't really get the people who know that Eric stooped low enough to murder innocent kids but for some reason think that he couldn't possibly have been capable of committing a rape had the circumstances permitted it (i.e. he wasn't planning a massacre in the near future and decided to channel some of his anger/sexual frustration towards women specifically). That being said, none of us will ever know for sure what he would have done with his life had he never carried out the massacre.


I just don't see that entry as talking about a rape.In it, he talks about wanting to perform oral sex on the girls he's writing about which isn't the most typical rapist act.
The only thing I can see that people can point to is where he wrote "Who can I trick in my room first?
I think that meant who can I charm, seduce into my room ?

True, I do see what you mean there, perhaps he was actually referring to rough consensual sex, but I do remember another entry where he fantasized about being a "crazy, racist, rapist". To put it bluntly, the first two descriptions are accurate and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to consider that he could have very well lived up to the third description had things panned out a little differently for him. He certainly demonstrated he was capable and willing to inflict pain and cause harm to others for his own selfish gratification.
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okay, let's put it this way, may be sensitive and I would instil a trigger warning.
Are majority of rapists virgins? Could a virgin still be capable of overcoming a body and inserting themselves in them?
Am I doubting that Eric could be a rapist simply because I don't think he has the knowledge yet of sexual stimulation, what to do with another woman and simply to get hard, you would have to have the drive/be turned on/have your partner be consenting too? Maybe he could get hard (as most murder-rapists) by the fact that their partner aren't consenting and are in agony, but don't a person have their own individual factors when it comes to penetration?

In terms of rape, it's also inclusive of the topic of sex. It's very separate from homicide. The root of deviancy is the same somehow but I don't think I can put rape and murder together, unless it's like Ted Bundy or whatsoever but this boy fantasised a mass shooting with amateur delivery.

Also, I think his writings in his journal is still in state of shock value. Him calling himself a combination of crazy racist rapist sounds like a moment of utmost self deprecation to me. Sometimes I do that to myself but which of what I call myself am I really? Do I happen to just hate myself at the moment? I think Eric has various episodes of that. Just a two cents, feel free to teach me or correct me.

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Who's to say Eric wouldn't have lost his virginity through means of force? Who's to say Eric could've had consensual sex and progressed to rape in the future? The guy was disturbed and had anger issues, there's no question about that.

Anyway, this discussion is beginning to feel a bit pointless to me as it's completely hypothesized (and that's fine, it is the "Thoughts on the shooting" sub forum after all), but I've added my two cents regarding matter and I appreciate that others have taken the time to share their opinions.

I just think that Eric certainly proved himself to be capable of committing horrific acts, but like I've stressed, none of us will ever know for sure what things his troubled mind would've lead him to do had the massacre not happened.
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I think the reason why he never raped someone, is because he needed to feel like he was attractive and desired by the opposite gender. Forcing himself on someone who didn’t want him, would probably damage his low self-esteem even more. But the fantasy is a reflection of his dominant personality and it shows that he desires control over other people. So I wouldn’t put it beneath him. Maybe he’d eventually grow tired of consensual intercourse and force himself on girls for the thrill of gaining control of another human being and inflicting fear and pain.

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I think the reason why he never raped someone, is because he needed to feel like he was attractive and desired by the opposite gender. Forcing himself on someone who didn’t want him, would probably damage his low self-esteem even more. But the fantasy is a reflection of his dominant personality and it shows that he desires control over other people. So I wouldn’t put it beneath him. Maybe he’d eventually grow tired of consensual intercourse and force himself on girls for the thrill of gaining control of another human being and inflicting fear and pain.


I do agree with the first part. I think to put it in simple and easy terms, Eric simply wanted to be wanted. In my opinion he would have considered rape beneath him in a sense.

But I also think the fantasy was just that, a boy's fantasy. I don't think it was any indication, or a hallmark sign of him being a rapist in the making. In truth his fantasy was probably very much like many guys his age.

The last is where A LOT of speculation comes in to play. As we will never know what Eric would have turned into had he lived.

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Eric didn’t rape because... he wasn’t a rapist.


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Eric didn’t rape because... he wasn’t a rapist.


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But I also think the fantasy was just that, a boy's fantasy. I don't think it was any indication, or a hallmark sign of him being a rapist in the making.  In truth his fantasy was probably very much like many guys his age. 

I can't really agree with this. Eric, as we know, was more than capable of murder, rape isn't too far removed from that.

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But I also think the fantasy was just that, a boy's fantasy. I don't think it was any indication, or a hallmark sign of him being a rapist in the making.  In truth his fantasy was probably very much like many guys his age. 

I can't really agree with this. Eric, as we know, was more than capable of murder, rape isn't too far removed from that.

Eric was frustrated and liked violence, so it is not surprising that he fantasied about rape, he also fantasied about rough sex. I don't think he would have ever done it because it would have been useless for him, he wanted to do something big, a rape would have been a too "small" thing that would be a threat for all his bigger plan. I think he was aware of it and knew it was only a fantasy and was ok with it. After all, it was possible for him to fulfill his sexual need in a way that would not have a huge impact, he didn't have to rape women for that.

Then for those who wonder why he didn't rape anyone during the shooting, I think he didn't even think about that and he would have never done that. It was not the moment, it was not what they had in their mind (maybe he fantasied about rape because of sexual frustration and need to feel powerful, so he already felt powerful at some point during the shooting). I think it was more plausible that he goes to see a girl or a prostitute the night before the shooting (if he was not too stressed) so that he didn't die a virgin, but I think the shooting was to kill people and die, and that's all, not to fulfill any sexual need.
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But I also think the fantasy was just that, a boy's fantasy. I don't think it was any indication, or a hallmark sign of him being a rapist in the making.  In truth his fantasy was probably very much like many guys his age. 

I can't really agree with this. Eric, as we know, was more than capable of murder, rape isn't too far removed from that.

I honestly love this POV and question.Because in true crime in general there have been people who can commit murder who can commit rape and vice versa. It’s interesting the psychology.

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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
But I also think the fantasy was just that, a boy's fantasy. I don't think it was any indication, or a hallmark sign of him being a rapist in the making.  In truth his fantasy was probably very much like many guys his age. 

I can't really agree with this. Eric, as we know, was more than capable of murder, rape isn't too far removed from that.

Eric was frustrated and liked violence, so it is not surprising that he fantasied about rape, he also fantasied about rough sex. I don't think he would have ever done it because it would have been useless for him, he wanted to do something big, a rape would have been a too "small" thing that would be a threat for all his bigger plan. I think he was aware of it and knew it was only a fantasy and was ok with it. After all, it was possible for him to fulfill his sexual need in a way that would not have a huge impact, he didn't have to rape women for that.

Then for those who wonder why he didn't rape anyone during the shooting, I think he didn't even think about that and he would have never done that. It was not the moment, it was not what they had in their mind (maybe he fantasied about rape because of sexual frustration and need to feel powerful, so he already felt powerful at some point during the shooting). I think it was more plausible that he goes to see a girl or a prostitute the night before the shooting (if he was not too stressed) so that he didn't die a virgin, but I think the shooting was to kill people and die, and that's all, not to fulfill any sexual need.

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Eric didn’t rape because... he wasn’t a rapist.


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Eric didn’t rape because... he wasn’t a rapist.


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But I also think the fantasy was just that, a boy's fantasy. I don't think it was any indication, or a hallmark sign of him being a rapist in the making.  In truth his fantasy was probably very much like many guys his age. 

I can't really agree with this. Eric, as we know, was more than capable of murder, rape isn't too far removed from that.


That would depend on the person in question. As ScreamingO pointed out there are people who could rape but not murder, murder but not rape, and then some who could do both. This is all depending on how a person is wired mentally and physically.

We all know Eric had fantasies. He described a couple in his journal. But in my opinion the one where he described killing and tearing someones throat out with his teeth was more scary, more in-depth, etc. then his passing fantasy of wanting to rip some girl's clothes off and perform oral sex on her.

No question Eric was a killer in the last moments of his life, he had planned on becoming a killer for many many months.  Yet nowhere does he really talk about wanting to be a rapist. He did indeed mention it in passing in the journal entry where he talks about being a dog, and wanting to trick a girl into his room.

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"You know what maybe I just need to get laid. maybe that'll just change some shit around. thats another thing, I am a fucking dog. I have fantasies of just taking someone and fucking them hard and strong. someone like [censored] were I just pick her up, take her to my room, tear off her shirt and pants and just eat her out and fuck her hard. I love flesh... weisses fleisch! dein weisses fleisch emegt mich soo... Ich bin dech nur ein gigilo! I want to grab a few different girls in my gym class, take them into a room, pull their pants off and fuck them hard. I love flesh... the smooth legs, the large breasts, the innocent flawless body, the eyes, the hair; jet black, blond, white, brown. ahhh I just want to fuck! call it teenage hormones or call it a crazy fuckin racist rapist... BJ ist mir egal. I just want to be surrounded by the flesh of a woman, someone like [censored] who I wanted to just fuck like hell, she made me practically drool, when she wore those shorts to work.. instant hard on. I couldnt stop staring. and others like [censored] in my gym class, [censored] or whatever in my gym class, and others who I just want to overpower and engulf myself in them. mmmm I can taste the sweet flesh now... the salty sweat, the animalistic movement... Iccchhh... lieeebe...... fleisccchhhh. who can I trick into my room first? I can sweep someone off their feet, tell them what they want to hear, be all nice and sweet, and then "fuck em like an animal, feel them from the inside" as Reznor said. oh... thats something else... that one NIN video I saw, broken or closer or something, the where the guy is kidnapped and tortured like hell... actual hell. I want to do that too. I want to tear a throat out with my own teeth like a pop can. I want to gut someone with my hand, to tear a head off and rip out the heart and lungs from the neck, to stab someone in the gut, shove it up to the heart, and yank the fucking blade out of their rib cage! I want to grab some weak little freshman and just tear them apart like a fucking wolf. show them who is god. strangle them, squish their head, bite their temples into the skull, rip off their jaw. rip off their colar bones, break their arms in half and twist them around, the lovely sounds of bones cracking and flesh ripping, ahh... so much to do and so little chances. -- 11/17/98"



Again just my opinion, but he seemed to be more into the killer fantasy then the sexual one.
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From Eric's journal-

"call it teenage hormones or call it a crazy fuckin racist rapist... BJ ist mir egal."

Eric's reply to this thread, he doesn't care.

Given that he mentions teenage hormones, he probably was aware that it could just be a period in his life. If he knew it was a real wish he probably wouldn't have mentioned hormones.

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Again just my opinion, but he seemed to be more into the killer fantasy then the sexual one.

And yet in the torture passage what stroke me is that it is only about the body, not about the victim and suffering. He described only a body being damaged, almost as if the victim was already dead. There is no screams, the victim doesn't cry, doesn't ask him to spare him. It is torture without the pain. Only brutality and the feeling of being powerful. This is why I think it was more a fantasy due to a kind of physical frustration (just like when he punched walls) than a real desire to kill someone and make him suffer. Moreover, if he really wanted to torture people and make them suffer, it would have been much easier and the moment to do it during the shooting than rape. I do think he could have made people suffer if he wanted to during the shooting, at least find one victim and "have fun" with him or her, but he didn't, probably because he didn't really want to torture people. The frustration was over thanks to the shooting, it enabled him to fulfill his desire of brutality.
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I do agree with the first part. I think to put it in simple and easy terms, Eric simply wanted to be wanted. In my opinion he would have considered rape beneath him in a sense.

But I also think the fantasy was just that, a boy's fantasy. I don't think it was any indication, or a hallmark sign of him being a rapist in the making.  In truth his fantasy was probably very much like many guys his age.

The last is where A LOT of speculation comes in to play. As we will never know what Eric would have turned into had he lived.


It’s mainly the part about tricking girls into his room that makes me think to myself, “That can’t be an ordinary erotic fantasy among teenage males” since it involves deceit.
But you also have to keep in mind that I’m one of those people who think Eric was a clinical psychopath. So that’s partially why I think he’d grow tired of consensual intercourse eventually and not find it stimulating enough. Ordinary and mundane things bore psychopaths. They require intense stimulation in order to become excited or have fun.

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From Eric's journal-

"call it teenage hormones or call it a crazy fuckin racist rapist... BJ ist mir egal."

Eric's reply to this thread, he doesn't care.

Given that he mentions teenage hormones, he probably was aware that it could just be a period in his life. If he knew it was a real wish he probably wouldn't have mentioned hormones.

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Again just my opinion, but he seemed to be more into the killer fantasy then the sexual one.

And yet in the torture passage what stroke me is that it is only about the body, not about the victim and suffering. He described only a body being damaged, almost as if the victim was already dead. There is no screams, the victim doesn't cry, doesn't ask him to spare him. It is torture without the pain. Only brutality and the feeling of being powerful. This is why I think it was more a fantasy due to a kind of physical frustration (just like when he punched walls) than a real desire to kill someone and make him suffer. Moreover, if he really wanted to torture people and make them suffer, it would have been much easier and the moment to do it during the shooting than rape. I do think he could have made people suffer if he wanted to during the shooting, at least find one victim and "have fun" with him or her, but he didn't, probably because he didn't really want to torture people. The frustration was over thanks to the shooting, it enabled him to fulfill his desire of brutality.

I do agree that Eric could have tortured or raped anyone had he wanted to that day. But I also think that he likely didn't because that would have meant getting up close and personal with the victim. That was something that I don't believe Eric could have done, not at that particular place/point in time anyway. As I said before, who knows what Eric would have became or been capable of later on in life.

The attack was to be a bombing first, killing from a distance, then picking off victims as they ran. Then when the bombs failed, they had to improvise. Which ended in pretty much random shootings, still from afar for the most part. That is until they reached the library and even then it seems that E&D mainly stuck to firing under/at random tables.

Thinking about/fantasizing about torture and rape are one thing, actually being able to follow through with it is another. Although I do agree that Eric was able to fulfill his fantasy is a way with the attack.
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I do agree with the first part. I think to put it in simple and easy terms, Eric simply wanted to be wanted. In my opinion he would have considered rape beneath him in a sense.

But I also think the fantasy was just that, a boy's fantasy. I don't think it was any indication, or a hallmark sign of him being a rapist in the making.  In truth his fantasy was probably very much like many guys his age.

The last is where A LOT of speculation comes in to play. As we will never know what Eric would have turned into had he lived.


It’s mainly the part about tricking girls into his room that makes me think to myself, “That can’t be an ordinary erotic fantasy among teenage males” since it involves deceit.
But you also have to keep in mind that I’m one of those people who think Eric was a clinical psychopath. So that’s partially why I think he’d grow tired of consensual intercourse eventually and not find it stimulating enough. Ordinary and mundane things bore psychopaths. They require intense stimulation in order to become excited or have fun.

Is it ONLY the wording he used that makes that particular fantasy seem suspect to you? I mean if he hadn't used the word "trick" would you still think about it in the same way? scratch

Also I'm on the fence about whether Eric was a psychopath or not. He did have several characteristics of a psychopath, but then again he had other characteristics that would make you think he wasn't.

We can speculate on this for another 20 + years and still be no closer to the truth.
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Also the word trick back in the 90s wasn’t so triggering to people. It meant seducing like oh come in here and I’ll show you something cool and then you make a move.

He literally just wanted to get a girl in his room so he could have sex with her it’s a very normal 17-year-old boy thing And I’m sure there were 16 , 17, 18-year-old girls who wanted to have sex too

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Also the word trick back in the 90s wasn’t so triggering to people. It meant seducing like oh come in here and I’ll show you something cool and then you make a move.


That was the way I always took it as well. But like I said before we will never truly know what Eric would have become on down the road had he not went through with NBK.

He could have went full blow psychopath or he could have gotten help, learned to deal with his shit, and made something of himself. Who knows?

Also if this forum is still around in 20 + more years, I'm SURE this very question will still be asked. It's like the Dylan/potatoes issue, it will never go away! Haha
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Again just my opinion, but he seemed to be more into the killer fantasy then the sexual one.

I agree with this but I just don't think it would be too much of a stretch to see Eric as a rapist.

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Again just my opinion, but he seemed to be more into the killer fantasy then the sexual one.

I agree with this but I just don't think it would be too much of a stretch to see Eric as a rapist.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it would have been impossible for Eric to have raped anyone. I'm just saying that at that given place in time, he was more concerned with his plan falling into place then he was at being able to check his name off the "Get Laid" list.

I just can't picture him a rapist at that point in his life. But as I stated before, Eric could have turned into anything. Any number of factors could/would have played out in his life had he lived.

But again we just can't say for 100% "Yes he would have been a serial rapist" or "Yes he was a full psychopath" do you get me?
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Again just my opinion, but he seemed to be more into the killer fantasy then the sexual one.

I agree with this but I just don't think it would be too much of a stretch to see Eric as a rapist.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it would have been impossible for Eric to have raped anyone. I'm just saying that at that given place in time, he was more concerned with his plan falling into place then he was at being able to check his name off the "Get Laid" list.

I just can't picture him a rapist at that point in his life. But as I stated before, Eric could have turned into anything. Any number of factors could/would have played out in his life had he lived.

But again we just can't say for 100% "Yes he would have been a serial rapist" or "Yes he was a full psychopath"  do you get me?  

I get you, yeah, I'm just saying that, in my opinion, I could see Eric doing it.

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Again just my opinion, but he seemed to be more into the killer fantasy then the sexual one.

I agree with this but I just don't think it would be too much of a stretch to see Eric as a rapist.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it would have been impossible for Eric to have raped anyone. I'm just saying that at that given place in time, he was more concerned with his plan falling into place then he was at being able to check his name off the "Get Laid" list.

I just can't picture him a rapist at that point in his life. But as I stated before, Eric could have turned into anything. Any number of factors could/would have played out in his life had he lived.

But again we just can't say for 100% "Yes he would have been a serial rapist" or "Yes he was a full psychopath"  do you get me?  

I get you, yeah, I'm just saying that, in my opinion, I could see Eric doing it.

Please answer one question for me. Can you see Eric doing it based only on what he said in that one fantasy from his journal?scratch

I'm just trying to see where your coming from, trying to look at it from your view point. Smile
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I do agree that Eric could have tortured or raped anyone had he wanted to that day. But I also think that he likely didn't because that would have meant getting up close and personal with the victim.

I agree with that. In the end he didn't rape anyone and he didn't torture anyone. Maybe he had fantasies about that, maybe it was more than fantasies, but still he didn't do it. The Eric that we imagine in this thread is an Eric who could have lived after 4/20/1999. But the actual Eric didn't, and if he didn't rape or torture anyone it was probably for a reason, because if he really wanted to do it, he could.
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Again just my opinion, but he seemed to be more into the killer fantasy then the sexual one.

I agree with this but I just don't think it would be too much of a stretch to see Eric as a rapist.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it would have been impossible for Eric to have raped anyone. I'm just saying that at that given place in time, he was more concerned with his plan falling into place then he was at being able to check his name off the "Get Laid" list.

I just can't picture him a rapist at that point in his life. But as I stated before, Eric could have turned into anything. Any number of factors could/would have played out in his life had he lived.

But again we just can't say for 100% "Yes he would have been a serial rapist" or "Yes he was a full psychopath"  do you get me?  

I get you, yeah, I'm just saying that, in my opinion, I could see Eric doing it.

Please answer one question for me. Can you see Eric doing it based only on what he said in that one fantasy from his journal?scratch

I'm just trying to see where your coming from, trying to look at it from your view point. Smile

That section of his journal is part of it, but only because he also wrote at length about murder and actually ended up doing it.

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Can you see Eric doing it based only on what he said in that one fantasy from his journal?scratch

I think his journal should be treated cautiously. If he wrote in his journal (especially since he didn't write it on a daily or regular basis), it is probably that he felt the need to write: when he was sad, angry or happy. So his feelings could have had an influence on what he wrote, and maybe if he read it later he would think: "How could I write this?"

There is only one occurrence of rape fantasy, so it could be at a moment of strong frustration. I think if it was a very strong and serious fantasy or wish, Eric would have written more about it and it would be a more recurring topic.


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Can you see Eric doing it based only on what he said in that one fantasy from his journal?scratch


TheRE is only one occurrence of rape fantasy, so it could be at a moment of strong frustration. I think if it was a very strong and serious fantasy or wish, Eric would have written more about it and it would be a more recurring topic.


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree. Now if Eric had written extensively about raped themed/violent sexual fantasies, had actually tried to force himself on a girl, etc. Then I can see how one could think he had the means to become a rapist.

But other then girls thinking Eric was odd, strange, not to friendly, not their type etc. He pretty much had a glowing record of being a fairly nice guy to girls in general.
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Also the word trick back in the 90s wasn’t so triggering to people. It meant seducing like oh come in here and I’ll show you something cool and then you make a move.


That was the way I always took it as well. But like I said before we will never truly know what Eric would have become on down the road had he not went through with NBK.

He could have went full blow psychopath or he could have gotten help, learned to deal with his shit, and made something of himself. Who knows?

Also if this forum is still around in 20 + more years, I'm SURE this very question will still be asked. It's like the Dylan/potatoes issue, it will never go away! Haha
i’m just picturing myself as a grandmother and having a teenage granddaughter be like do you remember what happened? Was Eric a psychopath and I’ll be like I have been talking about that for 57 million years!! Ugh

Though to be fair I don’t know why people are speculating on if Dylan had potatoes in his stomach it was in his autopsies report....

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Also the word trick back in the 90s wasn’t so triggering to people. It meant seducing like oh come in here and I’ll show you something cool and then you make a move.


That was the way I always took it as well. But like I said before we will never truly know what Eric would have become on down the road had he not went through with NBK.

He could have went full blow psychopath or he could have gotten help, learned to deal with his shit, and made something of himself. Who knows?

Also if this forum is still around in 20 + more years, I'm SURE this very question will still be asked. It's like the Dylan/potatoes issue, it will never go away! Haha

i’m just picturing myself as a grandmother and having a teenage granddaughter be like do you remember what happened? Was Eric  a psychopath and I’ll be like I have been talking about that  for 57 million years!! Ugh

Though to be fair I don’t know why people are speculating on if Dylan had potatoes in his  stomach it was in his autopsies report....


Agreed on both! Haha

Although for me I just want to know when and what fucking kind of potatoes Dylan had eaten. Baked potato, fries, hash browns, etc. scratch LOL
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Also the word trick back in the 90s wasn’t so triggering to people. It meant seducing like oh come in here and I’ll show you something cool and then you make a move.


That was the way I always took it as well. But like I said before we will never truly know what Eric would have become on down the road had he not went through with NBK.

He could have went full blow psychopath or he could have gotten help, learned to deal with his shit, and made something of himself. Who knows?

Also if this forum is still around in 20 + more years, I'm SURE this very question will still be asked. It's like the Dylan/potatoes issue, it will never go away! Haha

i’m just picturing myself as a grandmother and having a teenage granddaughter be like do you remember what happened? Was Eric  a psychopath and I’ll be like I have been talking about that  for 57 million years!! Ugh

Though to be fair I don’t know why people are speculating on if Dylan had potatoes in his  stomach it was in his autopsies report....


Agreed on both! Haha

Although for me I just want to know when and what fucking kind of potatoes Dylan had eaten. Baked potato, fries, hash browns, etc. scratch LOL

I feel like it was BK, because I feel like Sue would have mentioned dirty dishes in the sink or hearing Dylan heating up something early in the morning OR he ate off some kids tray in the cafeteria after the library.

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