My confession

I'm not gonna lie and I feel very guilty about this too. I do find Eric and Dylan cute and quite attractive. Is it wrong? Am I the only one who feels that way? Maybe I'm losing my mind here but I can't help it.

I don't feel that way very much but you are def. not alone. There are pages and pages online of people men and women alike who are attracted them.

People only interested in Columbine for the "cute" guys who committed the crime. Condoning what they did. Thinking if they were around them at the time they could have made them fall in love with them and stop the massacre.

Both guys were not horrible looking. They each had some "quirks" that made them not the traditional "Brad Pitt" but neither were ugly. I don't usually think much about it. I am interested in this case for other reasons.

Oh girl. You know what, I salute you for saying this bluntly. Cause it might be an unpopular thing to claim. But it's not the first time, no surprise. There's literally girls who flaunt they're groupies online and claiming the boys as their own. They "care" about the case, because really what they care about is the boys.

Lizpuff wrote:

Thinking if they were around them at the time they could have made them fall in love with them and stop the massacre.

I read this all the time and I hate this. Stop it. No you don't. They're dead! You have no idea who the hell they are cause you never knew them!
These girls are even wondering what they're like in bed.

I can understand noticing a person objectively if they're attractive or not, separating them as a person and for their actions, I do. So judging the boys through this aspect, I say, yeah, they're interestingly attractive. But that's it. As human beings, unfortunately it's part of human nature to think a heinous crime is okay because of how the perpetrator looks.

Girls, as Eric loved to say, are begging to be shot by these boys.

I find them cute like baby alligators

You aren't wrong, and you're definitely not the only one... they were handsome boys who would have grown up to be attractive men.

aquillina wrote:

I'm not gonna lie and I feel very guilty about this too. I do find Eric and Dylan cute and quite attractive. Is it wrong? Am I the only one who feels that way? Maybe I'm losing my mind here but I can't help it.

Not at all.They were extremely handsome young men.It's hard not to notice that.I see nothing wrong in thinking and feeling that way.
You are a deep thinker about all this and their looks are far, far from being the only reason you are interested so I don't think you should feel guilty about anything at all.

I don't see anything wrong with thinking they were cute, as long as you don't condone what they did. It's perfectly normal to be attracted to someone physically, but hate their personality or hate something they did. Happens all the time.

I initially thought the boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was cute and he had amaaaaazing abs but he's horrible and threw his entire life down the drain.

Thanks guys. It's such a shame that such good-looking guys had to commit such a horrendous act.

aquillina wrote:

Thanks guys. It's such a shame that such good-looking guys had to commit such a horrendous act.

Right? Otherwise it'd be much easier to drool over them

rockiemontana wrote:

I find them cute like baby alligators

lol what?

aquillina wrote:

I'm not gonna lie and I feel very guilty about this too. I do find Eric and Dylan cute and quite attractive. Is it wrong? Am I the only one who feels that way?

Not sure if srs.

I remember first hearing about the shootings on the radio when it happened and it disturbed the **** out of my innocent 9 y/o self. Imagine my surprise when I saw a copy of the infamous "The Monsters Next Door" Time magazine lying on the dining table and saw two decent and "normal"-looking guys on the cover. I guess some kids envision bad people to look menacing and conventionally ugly. It was certainly a paradox to behold after hearing so much about these awful people who I had never laid eyes on.

FYI: I don't find either particularly attractive, but they were alright looking. Dylan less typical looking than Eric. I think people hype up their appearance a lot. Eric was kind of ratty-looking imo, esp with his overbite, sharp facial features, small frame and just observing how he carried himself in general. Dylan looked pretty goofy to me with his under bite, disproportionate facial features and long limbs. They both looked fine, though. I'd say average.

I always had a thing strangely for guys who were plain and particularly with narrow, sharp noses. So, obviously when I first saw Eric I thought he was kinda attractive to me. Really basic but still alright. And he basically looks like two other guys who I've seen before in my lifetime, it's a very conventional face but it was attractive enough to me. I was surprised when I find out how short he was. I think if he were taller like Dylan's height he'd be almost perfect but that's just my opinion. Dylan had the sort of look that would have to grow on a person and find unique too. The way he carried himself was enough to attract a girl to him though.

I also think Eric's eyebrows were on fleek.

Lol ultraviolence, why i said that about baby alligators? It was the first thing that popped into my head. Have you seen a baby alligator? They are kinda cute... in a terrible and terrifying sort of way... Understand there are no alligators within 2000 miles of where i live so i find them to be utterly terrifying creatures.

rockiemontana wrote:

Lol ultraviolence, why i said that about baby alligators? It was the first thing that popped into my head. Have you seen a baby alligator? They are kinda cute... in a terrible and terrifying sort of way... Understand there are no alligators within 2000 miles of where i live so i find them to be utterly terrifying creatures.

LOLOLOLLLOLOL.
You know what they are like baby alligators!

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

They were not wearing Abercrombie and Khakis but I think it was more their personalities. Dylan was antisocial, quiet and crabby looking. Eric was aggressive and would yell at people in the parking lot or if they bumped him in the hall.

I am sure they were outcasts but they made themselves that way.

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol. He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then. Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

Absolutely. They looked so normal. Matter fact they looked good! I thought Dylan was pretty stylish and his aesthetic worked really well for him. They exaggerated the weirdness with the trenchcoats but, so? Clothing ought to be the last thing to bother a person.

And Eric wasn't short, but, most would say, he was short for most typical guys. And yeah considering being constantly next to Dylan it really didn't help him. Most girls want someone they literally look up to. Eric's my height, we'd be eye to eye I'd imagine.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'd actually say between the two Dylan always had his style or a sense of fashion/art whilst Eric had to copy. Infact he said the something like that in a journal entry where he finds himself copying people.

Lizpuff wrote:

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

They were not wearing Abercrombie and Khakis but I think it was more their personalities.  Dylan was antisocial, quiet and crabby looking. Eric was aggressive and would yell at people in the parking lot or if they bumped him in the hall.

I am sure they were outcasts but they made themselves that way.

I think they were probably initially seen as outcasts, but didn't want to be.  When they realized nothing was going to change, they sort of went with the outcast stereotype and became more asocial and hostile.  But looking at them from purely a physical perspective, I can't see how they looked so weird.  I think this just goes to show how HUGE the jock culture was at Columbine in comparison to other high schools. Littleton really sounds like a crappy place to live as a teenager.  That's a shame, because it looks like a beautiful place. I think I'm beginning to understand how one could come to hate that place so much and feel so trapped and miserable while living there.

Freezingmoon wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

They were not wearing Abercrombie and Khakis but I think it was more their personalities.  Dylan was antisocial, quiet and crabby looking. Eric was aggressive and would yell at people in the parking lot or if they bumped him in the hall.

I am sure they were outcasts but they made themselves that way.

I think they were probably initially seen as outcasts, but didn't want to be.  When they realized nothing was going to change, they sort of went with the outcast stereotype and became more asocial and hostile.  But looking at them from purely a physical perspective, I can't see how they looked so weird.  I think this just goes to show how HUGE the jock culture was at Columbine in comparison to other high schools. Littleton really sounds like a crappy place to live as a teenager.  That's a shame, because it looks like a beautiful place. I think I'm beginning to understand how one could come to hate that place so much and feel so trapped and miserable while living there.

My brother's GF is from Littleton. She is only 24 so was never there when E&D were and she went to Chatfield so not CHS but she says it is still just as bad. Her FB pics are gorgeous though

Freezingmoon wrote:

I think they were probably initially seen as outcasts, but didn't want to be.  When they realized nothing was going to change, they sort of went with the outcast stereotype and became more asocial and hostile.

Boom there it is. If they can't beat it they might aswell be it and relish in it.

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Maybe because he was significantly shorter than Dylan - who was a really tall guy. But yeah, this makes me wonder too.

Freezingmoon wrote:

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

Very good point! This "weird goth outcast" babbling has already gotten on my nerves, so thanks for mentioning the problem with it.
I hope this does not sound too personal, but - seeing your nickname and avatar - I assume that you may have other standards for "average" than the mainstream folks do. Same for me: there are many things which are labeled by mainstream people as "extreme" or "weird" - while I see the same things as absolutely normal and not really extreme. Okay, enough personal talk and I really hope that my thoughts do not offend you!
What I mean is that Eric's and Dylan's clothing style (and music preferences) surely seems average for someone with an interest in brutal black/death metal, but for a really mainstream person - who sees only trendy and/or conventional good boys/girls -, even an innocent Rammstein T-shirt or a pair of simple black BDU trousers might seem to be extravagant or deviant.
And the "goth" label usually makes me go berserk. The adults seem to not understand that not everyone who wears black is a goth! (Me neither.)

Sorry if I was too offtopic; the forum admins might moderate my post if it is inappropriate.

Moonshadow wrote:

I assume that you may have other standards for "average" than the mainstream folks do. Same for me: there are many things which are labeled by mainstream people as "extreme" or "weird" - while I see the same things as absolutely normal and not really extreme. Okay, enough personal talk and I really hope that my thoughts do not offend you!
What I mean is that Eric's and Dylan's clothing style (and music preferences) surely seems average for someone with an interest in brutal black/death metal, but for a really mainstream person - who sees only trendy and/or conventional good boys/girls -, even an innocent Rammstein T-shirt or a pair of simple black BDU trousers might seem to be extravagant or deviant.

The thing that is aggravating years later and present day is that the mainstream conventional zombies as the boys call them begin to steal the unique/punk/goth aesthetic and they make it look cool or accepted because it's a popular person that's presenting it. It's happening alot and it's kinda irritating. So it's weird when someone who is actually an outcast has a style like that but put it on a "normie" and all of a sudden it's cool? No no.

ultraviolencelv wrote:

The thing that is aggravating years later and present day is that the mainstream conventional zombies as the boys call them begin to steal the unique/punk/goth aesthetic and they make it look cool or accepted because it's a popular person that's presenting it. It's happening alot and it's kinda irritating. So it's weird when someone who is actually an outcast has a style like that but put it on a "normie" and all of a sudden it's cool? No no.

I have nothing to add. You managed to verbalize something that makes me very irritated. Thank you.

Moonshadow wrote:

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Maybe because he was significantly shorter than Dylan - who was a really tall guy. But yeah, this makes me wonder too.

Freezingmoon wrote:

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

Very good point! This "weird goth outcast" babbling has already gotten on my nerves, so thanks for mentioning the problem with it.
I hope this does not sound too personal, but - seeing your nickname and avatar - I assume that you may have other standards for "average" than the mainstream folks do. Same for me: there are many things which are labeled by mainstream people as "extreme" or "weird" - while I see the same things as absolutely normal and not really extreme. Okay, enough personal talk and I really hope that my thoughts do not offend you!
What I mean is that Eric's and Dylan's clothing style (and music preferences) surely seems average for someone with an interest in brutal black/death metal, but for a really mainstream person - who sees only trendy and/or conventional good boys/girls -, even an innocent Rammstein T-shirt or a pair of simple black BDU trousers might seem to be extravagant or deviant.
And the "goth" label usually makes me go berserk. The adults seem to not understand that not everyone who wears black is a goth! (Me neither.)

Sorry if I was too offtopic; the forum admins might moderate my post if it is inappropriate.

Nope, I'm not offended at all.  I realize that I'm looking at all of this through my eyes and I guess you could say that I've never been a mainstream person. So what I think is normal is probably really strange to many people. This happens to me all the time......someone will tell me something they think is so weird, and I just stand there baffled because I don't get it. I really don't understand about 95% of the people I meet.

I had no opinion whatsoever about how Eric and Dylan dressed. Like most of you all it did felt pretty normal for a bunch of teenage boys. People should dress in what they feel most comfortable in.

Freezingmoon wrote:

Nope, I'm not offended at all.  I realize that I'm looking at all of this through my eyes and I guess you could say that I've never been a mainstream person. So what I think is normal is probably really strange to many people. This happens to me all the time......someone will tell me something they think is so weird, and I just stand there baffled because I don't get it. I really don't understand about 95% of the people I meet.

Aaaah okay.
Yes, everything is relative. I have never been a mainstream one either, but - as the questions on "being different" play very little role in how I think - this has always had relatively little importance for me. And being confronted with what the so-called normal people think "so weird", I often experience this: I don't get it.

And here, we have a tragically good example of this problem.
Yes, Eric and Dylan were indeed weird - but not because of their favourite bands or of their clothing style. Those who think these details are the most important ones might end up with incorrect conclusions.

Oh, and the same goes for the violent PC games! It is easy to blame Doom (or Quake, or Counter-Strike), but as far as I know, Eric and Dylan had approximately as much to do with the hardcore gamer subculture as they had with the dark/goth subculture.
Here are thoughts of a Doom gamer who was/is really involved in gaming and knowing everyone who played big roles in the gaming community:
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Moonshadow wrote:

Freezingmoon wrote:

Nope, I'm not offended at all.  I realize that I'm looking at all of this through my eyes and I guess you could say that I've never been a mainstream person. So what I think is normal is probably really strange to many people. This happens to me all the time......someone will tell me something they think is so weird, and I just stand there baffled because I don't get it. I really don't understand about 95% of the people I meet.

Aaaah okay.
Yes, everything is relative. I have never been a mainstream one either, but - as the questions on "being different" play very little role in how I think - this has always had relatively little importance for me. And being confronted with what the so-called normal people think "so weird", I often experience this: I don't get it.

And here, we have a tragically good example of this problem.
Yes, Eric and Dylan were indeed weird - but not because of their favourite bands or of their clothing style. Those who think these details are the most important ones might end up with incorrect conclusions.

Oh, and the same goes for the violent PC games! It is easy to blame Doom (or Quake, or Counter-Strike), but as far as I know, Eric and Dylan had approximately as much to do with the hardcore gamer subculture as they had with the dark/goth subculture.
Here are thoughts of a Doom gamer who was/is really involved in gaming and knowing everyone who played big roles in the gaming community:
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That link was interesting. Thanks

My pleasure
Ironically enough, I have never played, but now I feel like downloading Chocolate Doom and starting to play! How about you?

Moonshadow wrote:

My pleasure
Ironically enough, I have never played, but now I feel like downloading Chocolate Doom and starting to play! How about you?

heh My husband plays Doom. I have watched him play it a few times. I am terrible at shooters and do not really play too many games. I have played my fair share of RPGS and I love LANoire but that is pretty much it!

Freezingmoon wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

They were not wearing Abercrombie and Khakis but I think it was more their personalities.  Dylan was antisocial, quiet and crabby looking. Eric was aggressive and would yell at people in the parking lot or if they bumped him in the hall.

I am sure they were outcasts but they made themselves that way.

I think they were probably initially seen as outcasts, but didn't want to be.  When they realized nothing was going to change, they sort of went with the outcast stereotype and became more asocial and hostile.  But looking at them from purely a physical perspective, I can't see how they looked so weird.  I think this just goes to show how HUGE the jock culture was at Columbine in comparison to other high schools. Littleton really sounds like a crappy place to live as a teenager.  That's a shame, because it looks like a beautiful place. I think I'm beginning to understand how one could come to hate that place so much and feel so trapped and miserable while living there.

I totally agree.
I don't think E &D became outcasts on purpose or made themselves appear strange for the thrill of it.
I think they became outcasts because they were different to the general population.They dressed differently,had different interests,thought differently.It seems most just judged them negatively instead of trying to understand where they were coming from.

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

THIS all of this!!! I never got why people criticised Eric's height. 5'8/5'9 is pretty normal for a teenager, and I bet he would have gotten taller as he got older. That kid didn't look like he was done growing yet haha. I was 5'5 1/2 when I graduated and I still grew 2 more inches before I turned 20, so it is possible. Plus he's around the same height as the kids he was walking around with in the cafeteria video. He looked normal to me in every aspect. The only thing that would have thrown me off about him was that he tucked in his shirts. The only people in my school that tucked their shirts in were Extremely geeky guys that dressed "proper" every day. I've never seen a guy wear a band shirt tucked in.

Both E&D look like normal kids who grew up during that time period. I get that band shirts, combat boots and trench costs weren't typically work by jocks or popular kids, but they weren't as extreme in their appearance as a lot of the goth crowds that were around back then.

Kiwik wrote:

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

THIS all of this!!! I never got why people criticised Eric's height. 5'8/5'9 is pretty normal for a teenager, and I bet he would have gotten taller as he got older. That kid didn't look like he was done growing yet haha. I was 5'5 1/2 when I graduated and I still grew 2 more inches before I turned 20, so it is possible. Plus he's around the same height as the kids he was walking around with in the cafeteria video. He looked normal to me in every aspect. The only thing that would have thrown me off about him was that he tucked in his shirts. The only people in my school that tucked their shirts in were Extremely geeky guys that dressed "proper" every day. I've never seen a guy wear a band shirt tucked in.

Both E&D look like normal kids who grew up during that time period. I get that band shirts, combat boots and trench costs weren't typically work by jocks or popular kids, but they weren't as extreme in their appearance as a lot of the goth crowds that were around back then.

Eric was very normal and average in height.I think because all his friends were tall,it made him seem shorter than he actually was.

yeah, no to me Eric was always average for a guy in height. especially because for me he'd be like...ginormous as i am 5'2. anyone is ginormous to me. and but wasn't tucking in your shirt s 90s style thing??

PaintItBlack wrote:

Kiwik wrote:

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

THIS all of this!!! I never got why people criticised Eric's height. 5'8/5'9 is pretty normal for a teenager, and I bet he would have gotten taller as he got older. That kid didn't look like he was done growing yet haha. I was 5'5 1/2 when I graduated and I still grew 2 more inches before I turned 20, so it is possible. Plus he's around the same height as the kids he was walking around with in the cafeteria video. He looked normal to me in every aspect. The only thing that would have thrown me off about him was that he tucked in his shirts. The only people in my school that tucked their shirts in were Extremely geeky guys that dressed "proper" every day. I've never seen a guy wear a band shirt tucked in.

Both E&D look like normal kids who grew up during that time period. I get that band shirts, combat boots and trench costs weren't typically work by jocks or popular kids, but they weren't as extreme in their appearance as a lot of the goth crowds that were around back then.

Eric was very normal and average in height.I think because all his friends were tall,it made him seem shorter than he actually was.

5'6" is not normal for an 18 year old male. I believe around 5'10" is the average.

I am aware he is listed as 5'8.5" on his autopsy but even then he would be slightly below average.

lilith wrote:

yeah, no to me Eric was always average for a guy in height. especially because for me he'd be like...ginormous as i am 5'2. anyone is ginormous to me. and but wasn't tucking in your shirt s 90s style thing??

As far as tucking in shirts being a 90a thing, I'd say not really... Especially not with band shirts. Its possible it was common in that area, as one of the kids (I think it was Mike?) that's walking around with Eric in the cafeteria video also has his shirt tucked in. To me tucked in shirts always represented wanting to look proper or if you went to a function where you're expected to dress nicer than you normally would. Like I said above I never saw any kids wearing band shirts tucked in at that age, and I was in high school when E&D were. I hate to say it but I have a feeling if a kid did that at my school they probably would have been mocked for it

Eric tucking his shirts kinda shows how compulsive he was with neatness, I'm gonna assume that it's either a lack of sense of style or that he thought an untucked baggy shirt looked too sloppy for him. But it might be the latter. He had an entry under his You Know What I Hate rants where he hated unhygienic or dirty grubby people with dirty nails, etc etc. So, I think he thought he would look better tucked.

ultraviolencelv wrote:

Eric tucking his shirts kinda shows how compulsive he was with neatness, I'm gonna assume that it's either a lack of sense of style or that he thought an untucked baggy shirt looked too sloppy for him. But it might be the latter. He had an entry under his You Know What I Hate rants where he hated unhygienic or dirty grubby people with dirty nails, etc etc. So, I think he thought he would look better tucked.

I feel like it might also come from his upbringing. Being from a military family and his parents seeming a bit old fashioned might be why he dresses the way he does and had certain mannerisms

nothing wrong with that,but it kinda bothers me that there's teen girls out there looking to have sex with E&D in the afterlife or some shit like that.it can't be healthy.
reminds me of disturbed women who sends letters to serial killers.

also the tucked shirt discussion,it just looks better with cargo pants than untucked shirts.at least thats my style sense and personal choice.

Ivan wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Kiwik wrote:

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

THIS all of this!!! I never got why people criticised Eric's height. 5'8/5'9 is pretty normal for a teenager, and I bet he would have gotten taller as he got older. That kid didn't look like he was done growing yet haha. I was 5'5 1/2 when I graduated and I still grew 2 more inches before I turned 20, so it is possible. Plus he's around the same height as the kids he was walking around with in the cafeteria video. He looked normal to me in every aspect. The only thing that would have thrown me off about him was that he tucked in his shirts. The only people in my school that tucked their shirts in were Extremely geeky guys that dressed "proper" every day. I've never seen a guy wear a band shirt tucked in.

Both E&D look like normal kids who grew up during that time period. I get that band shirts, combat boots and trench costs weren't typically work by jocks or popular kids, but they weren't as extreme in their appearance as a lot of the goth crowds that were around back then.

Eric was very normal and average in height.I think because all his friends were tall,it made him seem shorter than he actually was.

5'6" is not normal for an 18 year old male. I believe around 5'10" is the average.

I am aware he is listed as 5'8.5" on his autopsy but even then he would be slightly below average.

I did not know this.But considering that he probably lost at least a half an inch of height(possibly more?) at his death because of the way he killed himself,in life he was probably 5'9.
That's close to average.And he may have grown another inch or so before he stopped completely. .Eric seemed to be a bit of a late bloomer in some ways because of the health problems he had in his pre -teen and childhood years.

PaintItBlack wrote:

Ivan wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Kiwik wrote:

Freezingmoon wrote:

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

THIS all of this!!! I never got why people criticised Eric's height. 5'8/5'9 is pretty normal for a teenager, and I bet he would have gotten taller as he got older. That kid didn't look like he was done growing yet haha. I was 5'5 1/2 when I graduated and I still grew 2 more inches before I turned 20, so it is possible. Plus he's around the same height as the kids he was walking around with in the cafeteria video. He looked normal to me in every aspect. The only thing that would have thrown me off about him was that he tucked in his shirts. The only people in my school that tucked their shirts in were Extremely geeky guys that dressed "proper" every day. I've never seen a guy wear a band shirt tucked in.

Both E&D look like normal kids who grew up during that time period. I get that band shirts, combat boots and trench costs weren't typically work by jocks or popular kids, but they weren't as extreme in their appearance as a lot of the goth crowds that were around back then.

Eric was very normal and average in height.I think because all his friends were tall,it made him seem shorter than he actually was.

5'6" is not normal for an 18 year old male. I believe around 5'10" is the average.

I am aware he is listed as 5'8.5" on his autopsy but even then he would be slightly below average.

I did not know this.But considering that he probably lost at least a half an inch of height(possibly more?) at his death because of the way he killed himself,in life he was probably 5'9.
That's close to average.And he may have grown another inch or so before he stopped completely. .Eric seemed to be a bit of a late bloomer in some ways because of the health problems he had in his pre -teen and childhood years.

Totally agree with this. If you look at videos of Eric he physically appears younger than he is. He has a look towards the end of high school that a lot of kids have when they just hit a growth spurt or are going through an "awkward" phase. Most kids hit that area in late middle school/early high school, yet it looks like Eric didn't get there until he was a little older. I think I read somewhere that his brother was the same way? He looked like someone who really hasn't grown into their body yet, or was still growing. His look reminds me of that awkward phase a wolf goes through during its adolescent years. Kinda lanky and not grown into itself yet. If Eric had given himself a chance, I'm pretty sure he wowild have grown a couple more inches, put on some weight and had more of what he considered an ideal build.

He wasn't a bad looking guy, and nothing about his physical appearance screams "weirdo" to me. I do think he needed a bit of an attitude adjustment, maybe lightened up a little and learned to laugh things off. Same with Dylan.

I always felt that Eric would've been a handsome adult guy. With the way grown men put on the appropriate amount of weight, muscle and built, begin to have facial hair and all, the face would swell up a bit, I think Eric would've looked fantastic.

ultraviolencelv wrote:

I always felt that Eric would've been a handsome adult guy. With the way grown men put on the appropriate amount of weight, muscle and built, begin to have facial hair and all, the face would swell up a bit, I think Eric would've looked fantastic.

You're probably right. I see a lot of adult guys who resemble older versions of what Eric would have grown to look like, and they're all nice looking guys. It made me sad when I read that he complained that everyone made fun of him b/c Of his "face, hair and shirts" and I'm all like... Why?? Plus If he really had 2 different colored eyes, I don't see how he wouldn't have been more appealing to girls. Chicks dig a guy with unique traits like that haha.

As far as Dylan goes, I think he probably looked better in person than he did in pictures. He had those kind of features that can be easily distorted on camera. I speak from experience here, as I look better in person than I do in pictures. The camera just does not like my face, and I think it was the same for Dylan. There are a couple videos of him where his nose and chin aren't as prominent, and I feel like that's how he looked in person. I mean even though Eric dated more girls than Dylan, it seems that more girls had crushes on Dylan. I don't think he was as homely as he appears in a lot of his pictures.

I think Dylan looks different in every picture I have seen of him - some don't even look like the same guy. I don't think he took a good picture and was probably better looking in person. As for Eric,I think he was a late bloomer and would have matured into a nice looking guy.

I've always to believed that girls would be more attracted to bad boys at least with the newer generations. I'm one of them. Nice guys can sometimes be too boring or plain. Eric and Dylan definitely fit the bad boy types. If they were to live in this day and age they would have a line of girls fawning over him.

Look at Kevin. His yearbook photo he looks very much like Eric. Then look at his photo with is dad when they are dressed in their Military uniforms. He is tall and he filled out more. Eric would look just like Kevin imho. He just needed a few more years to mature.

aquillina wrote:

I've always to believed that girls would be more attracted to bad boys at least with the newer generations. I'm one of them. Nice guys can sometimes be too boring or plain. Eric and Dylan definitely fit the bad boy types. If they were to live in this day and age they would have a line of girls fawning over him.

They only became bad boys after they committed murder. Prior to that they were awkward gangly teenage boys. They had little game with girls, they got good grades, they (seemingly) respected their parents, they didnt act out in rebellion (until the end). They were in a video production class for goodness sake! To me that just screams nerd!  If they were alive as teenagers today (nbk aside) nothing would be different for them. Girls didnt fawn then and they wouldnt now. However you are right that girls like bad boys and thats nothing new. I dont see e&d as fitting the bad boy profile prior to nbk. Or maybe they just were not bad enough for me... Lol

Kiwik wrote:

I feel like it might also come from his upbringing. Being from a military family and his parents seeming a bit old fashioned might be why he dresses the way he does and had certain mannerisms

I agree with this. My husband is former Navy, and he's all about neatness both in appearance and environment. I tend to think it is something common to military & prior military families, as it seems to stick with them throughout their lives. My grandfather was also military , and carried those mannerisms until he passed away.

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I've always to believed that girls would be more attracted to bad boys at least with the newer generations. I'm one of them. Nice guys can sometimes be too boring or plain. Eric and Dylan definitely fit the bad boy types. If they were to live in this day and age they would have a line of girls fawning over him.

They only became bad boys after they committed murder. Prior to that they were awkward gangly teenage boys. They had little game with girls, they got good grades, they (seemingly) respected their parents, they didnt act out in rebellion (until the end). They were in a video production class for goodness sake! To me that just screams nerd! If they were alive as teenagers today (nbk aside) nothing would be different for them. Girls didnt fawn then and they wouldnt now. However you are right that girls like bad boys and thats nothing new. I dont see e&d as fitting the bad boy profile prior to nbk. Or maybe they just were not bad enough for me... Lol

Yeah they were not "bad boys". They would be badder than society's "bad boys" since they are murderers and killed people, haha. But they were just awkward, normal, geeky teens who were somewhat attractive to certain people. Girls might fall for who they were, but obviously they weren't the popular typical jock type or whatever.