Sutherland Springs, Texas church shooting

'Everybody die!' Texas shooter targeted babies, others who cried, witnesses recount

The gunman who killed 26 people at a small-town Texas church went aisle to aisle looking for victims and shot crying babies at point-blank range, a couple who survived the attack said.

Rosanne Solis and Joaquin Ramirez were sitting near the entrance to the First Baptist Church on Sunday when they heard what sounded like firecrackers and realized someone was shooting at the tiny wood-frame building.

In an interview with San Antonio television station KSAT, Solis said congregants began screaming and dropped to the floor. She could see bullets flying into the carpet and fellow worshippers falling down, bloodied, after getting hit.

For a moment, the attacked seemed to stop, and worshippers thought that police had arrived to confront the gunman. But then he entered the church and resumed "shooting hard" at helpless families, Solis said.

The gunman checked each aisle for more victims, including babies who cried out amid the noise and smoke, Ramirez said.

The couple survived by huddling close to the ground and playing dead. Solis was shot in the arm. Ramirez was hit by shrapnel.

About 20 other people were wounded. Investigators collected at least 15 empty magazines that held 30 rounds each at the scene, suggesting the assailant fired at least 450 rounds.

The gunman, Devin Patrick Kelley, had a history of domestic violence that spanned years before the attack and was able buy weapons because the Air Force did not submit his criminal history to the FBI as required by military rules.

If Kelley's past offences had been properly shared, they would have prevented him from buying a gun, the Air Force acknowledged Monday.

Investigators also revealed that Kelley had sent threatening text messages to his mother-in-law, a member of the church, before the attack, and that sheriff's deputies had responded to a domestic violence call in 2014 at his home involving a girlfriend who became his second wife.

Later that year, he was formally ousted from the Air Force for a 2012 assault on his ex-wife in which he choked her and struck her son hard enough to fracture his skull.

At a news conference in South Korea, President Donald Trump was asked if he would support "extreme vetting" for gun purchases in the same way he has called for "extreme vetting" for people entering the country. Trump responded by saying stricter gun control measures might have led to more deaths in the shooting because a bystander who shot at the gunman would not have been armed.

"If he didn't have a gun, instead of having 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead," Trump said.

In the tiny town of Sutherland Springs, population 400, grieving townspeople reeled from their losses. The dead ranged from 18 months to 77 years old and included multiple members of some families.

"Our church was not comprised of members or parishioners. We were a very close family," said the pastor's wife Sherri Pomeroy, who, like her husband, was out of town when the attack happened.

"Now most of our church family is gone."

The couple's 14-year-old daughter, Annabelle Pomeroy, was among those killed.

Kelley's mother-in-law sometimes attended services there, but the sheriff said she was not at church Sunday.

The massacre appeared to stem from a domestic situation and was not racially or religiously motivated, Texas Department of Public Safety Regional Director Freeman Martin said. He did not elaborate.

Based on evidence at the scene, investigators believe Kelley died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after he was chased by bystanders, one of whom was armed, and crashed his car.

The 26-year-old shooter also used his cellphone to tell his father he had been shot and did not think he would survive, authorities said.

While in the military, Kelley served in logistics readiness at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2010 until his 2014 discharge, Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek said.

He was discharged for the assault involving his previous wife and her child and had served a year of confinement after a court-martial. Under Pentagon rules, information about convictions of military personnel for crimes such as assault should be submitted to the FBI's Criminal Justice Investigation Services Division.

Stefanek said the service is launching a review of its handling of the case and taking a comprehensive look at its databases to ensure other cases have been reported correctly.

A few months before he received the bad-conduct discharge, sheriff's deputies went to his home to check out the domestic violence complaint involving him and his then-girlfriend. People in the house said there was no problem, and no arrests were made. Kelley married the girlfriend two months later.

Also in 2014, he was charged with misdemeanour animal cruelty in Colorado after a neighbour reported him for beating a dog. Kelley initially refused to speak with officers about the incident. He denied abusing the animal but complied with an order to pay almost $370 in restitution. He was also the focus of a protective order issued in Colorado in 2015.

Kelley lived in New Braunfels, about 35 miles (55 kilometres) north of the church, and had recently started a job as an unarmed security guard at a nearby resort.

As he left the church, the shooter was confronted by an armed resident -- later identified as Stephen Willeford -- who had grabbed his own rifle and exchanged fire with Kelley.

Willeford had help from another local resident, Johnnie Langendorff, who said he was driving past the church as the shooting happened. The armed resident asked to get in Langendorff's truck, and the pair followed as the gunman drove away.

"He jumped in my truck and said, 'He just shot up the church. We need to go get him.' And I said 'Let's go,"' Langendorff said.

The pursuit reached speeds up to 90 mph (145 kph). Willeford told Arkansas TV stations KHBS/KHOG that he kept a 911 operator advised of the situation during the chase. The gunman eventually lost control of his vehicle and crashed.

Willeford walked up to the vehicle with his gun drawn, and the attacker did not move. Police arrived about five minutes later, Langendorff said.

The assailant was dead in his vehicle. He had three gunshot wounds -- two from where the armed man hit him in the leg and the torso and the third self-inflicted wound to the head, authorities said.

"There was no thinking about it. There was just doing. That was the key to all this. Act now. Ask questions later," Langendorff said.

As I said before, it takes a sick f*cker to kill people in that manner.

BUT to shoot a baby/child at point blank range is a special kind of sick.  If there is a Hell I hope that bastard is roasting as I type.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

As I said before, it takes a sick f*cker to kill people in that manner.

BUT to shoot a baby/child at point blank range is a special kind of sick.  If there is a Hell I hope that bastard is roasting as I type.

and to think the shooting is already out of the media, the only shooting since columbine to ever get that amount of attention was sandy hook, maybe bataclan

it seems like high number deaths are becoming the norm

-warrior wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

As I said before, it takes a sick f*cker to kill people in that manner.

BUT to shoot a baby/child at point blank range is a special kind of sick.  If there is a Hell I hope that bastard is roasting as I type.

and to think the shooting is already out of the media, the only shooting since columbine to ever get that amount of attention was sandy hook, maybe bataclan

it seems like high number deaths are becoming the norm

Sadly I think you are right.

shooter escaped from mental hospital at one point

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BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Some things can be simplified that much

Only if you're of a simple mind. The truth is mass murder is incredibly complex, but if you feel like deluding yourself and believing "Chads" never kill people, then fine. Just go shitpost on r/incels instead of here.

-warrior wrote:

shooter escaped from mental hospital at one point

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JFC, how many people dropped the ball when it came to this guy? A lot of people fucked up in handling his case.

QuestionMark wrote:

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Some things can be simplified that much

Only if you're of a simple mind. The truth is mass murder is incredibly complex, but if you feel like deluding yourself and believing "Chads" never kill people, then fine. Just go shitpost on r/incels instead of here.

-warrior wrote:

shooter escaped from mental hospital at one point

JFC, how many people dropped the ball when it came to this guy? A lot of people fucked up in handling his case.

Chads usually don't commit mass murders though
Ageing was definitely a major part of this case, I'd imagine he lost his identity going from early 2000s emo boy to average redneck hick
It also turns out that his wife was cheating on him, something that rarely happens to Chads

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Chads usually don't commit mass murders though

Charles Whitman was a former Marine, and was married. He still killed 16 people.

James Oliver Huberty was married with kids and still killed 21 people.

Omar Mateen had been married twice, had a kid too. Still killed 49 people.

If you're not trolling then I say again, go shitpost in r/incels instead of here.

QuestionMark wrote:

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Chads usually don't commit mass murders though

Charles Whitman was a former Marine, and was married. He still killed 16 people.

James Oliver Huberty was married with kids and still killed 21 people.

Omar Mateen had been married twice, had a kid too. Still killed 49 people.

If you're not trolling then I say again, go shitpost in r/incels instead of here.

Charles Whitman had a brain tumor

Can't say I know anything about James Huberty, didn't even know I exist

Omar Mateen wasn't necessarily a bad guy, he wasn't the same as other mass murderers who hate society, he died for his religion, which is pretty Alpha

Also none of these guys were Chads, btw /r/incels got taken down, didn't even post there btw

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Omar Mateen wasn't necessarily a bad guy

The families and friends of the 49 people who died would disagree with you.

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he wasn't the same as other mass murderers who hate society

He killed in the name of a religion which led him to hate society.

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he died for his religion, which is pretty Alpha

I'd like to think it's fucking stupid, but I guess we'll just disagree on that one.

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Also none of these guys were Chads

Then please enlighten me on what a Chad is, with examples.
>inb4 myself

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btw /r/incels got taken down, didn't even post there btw

The go shitpost on /pol/. I don't really care where you go.

QuestionMark wrote:

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Omar Mateen wasn't necessarily a bad guy

The families and friends of the 49 people who died would disagree with you.

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he wasn't the same as other mass murderers who hate society

A religion which led him to hate society.

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he died for his religion, which is pretty Alpha

I'd like to think it's fucking stupid, but I guess we'll just disagree on that one.

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Also none of these guys were Chads

Then please enlighten me on what a Chad is, with examples.
>inb4 myself

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btw /r/incels got taken down, didn't even post there btw

The go shitpost on /pol/. I don't really care where you go.

Okay wow I don't have formatting skills like you do, but anyway
Dude Islam is the biggest religion in the world, the guy thought he was doing good by killing those homosexuals, he didn't think he was doing anything bad, he wasn't aware of that, sure call the religion stupid or whatever but he DIED for what he believed to be the better good, that's pretty alpha

Also a Chad is an at least 8/10 faced guy who's been treated good his entire life because of how good looking he is, most killers are uglies

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Dude Islam is the biggest religion in the world, the guy thought he was doing good by killing those homosexuals, he didn't think he was doing anything bad, he wasn't aware of that, sure call the religion stupid or whatever but he DIED for what he believed to be the better good, that's pretty alpha

That's not alpha, that's dumb. But okay, whatever. You're entitled to your beliefs.

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Also a Chad is an at least 8/10 faced guy who's been treated good his entire life because of how good looking he is, most killers are uglies

Most people aren't Chads, yet they don't plot mass murder. Only people fucked in the head do that.

QuestionMark wrote:

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Dude Islam is the biggest religion in the world, the guy thought he was doing good by killing those homosexuals, he didn't think he was doing anything bad, he wasn't aware of that, sure call the religion stupid or whatever but he DIED for what he believed to be the better good, that's pretty alpha

That's not alpha, that's dumb. But okay, whatever. You're entitled to your beliefs.

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Also a Chad is an at least 8/10 faced guy who's been treated good his entire life because of how good looking he is, most killers are uglies

Most people aren't Chads, yet they don't plot mass murder. Only people fucked in the head do that.

Dying for the better good = alpha
And physical attractiveness has a strong correlation with mental stability brah

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

And physical attractiveness has a strong correlation with mental stability brah

A lot of people thought this man was attractive:

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Maybe you disagree but many of his victims felt differently; there were even hundreds of women who sent him fan mail and insisted that such a "good looking guy" could never be a murderer.

Even pretty people can be crazy.

Yeah but it's really rare, I mean ted bendy was average looking with a good few features and that was good enough to make girls world wide fall in love with him (girls love bad boys tbh)

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Yeah but it's really rare

It's more likely than you think, but if you don't see it that way, then I guess we're done here.

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

he didn't think he was doing anything bad, he wasn't aware of that, sure call the religion stupid or whatever but he DIED for what he believed to be the better good, that's pretty alpha

Nobody thinks they're a bad guy, nobody thinks they have bad intentions, and everybody thinks that they're good people and that what they're doing is right, and this is especially true with mass murderers;  If you consider Omar Mateen an "Alpha" for sacrificing himself for what he believed was right, then Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, James Huberty, and every other mass murderer is an "Alpha".

STK wrote:

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

he didn't think he was doing anything bad, he wasn't aware of that, sure call the religion stupid or whatever but he DIED for what he believed to be the better good, that's pretty alpha

Nobody thinks they're a bad guy, nobody thinks they have bad intentions, and everybody thinks that they're good people and that what they're doing is right, and this is especially true with mass murderers;  If you consider Omar Mateen an "Alpha" for sacrificing himself for what he believed was right, then Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, James Huberty, and every other mass murderer is an "Alpha".

Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza and most other mass murderers are just malicious, they only want to inflict as much pain on people as possible, they all knew it was a bad thing to do, they all accepted reality. Omar didn't however, in his mind he was doing good and saving the world from more evil.

It's like dying in the great crusades, alpha as fuck. No doubt if Omar's afterlife exists he'd have 27 virgins right now.

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza and most other mass murderers are just malicious, they only want to inflict as much pain on people as possible, they all knew it was a bad thing to do, they all accepted reality. Omar didn't however, in his mind he was doing good and saving the world from more evil.

It's like dying in the great crusades, alpha as fuck. No doubt if Omar's afterlife exists he'd have 27 virgins right now.

Like Moses, I spread the sea and lead my people — the Weak, the Defenseless, and the Innocent
Children of all ages that you fucked and will always try to fuck — to eternal freedom. Thanks to
you Sinners, you Spillers of Blood, I set the example of the century for my Children to follow.
-Seung Hui Cho

"The struggle for which many brothers died in the past, and for which I will die, is not solely because of what is known as "bullying". Our fight is against cruel people, cowards, who take advantage of the kindness, the weakness of people unable to defend themselves."
-Wellington De Oliveria

"Society had their chance"
-James Huberty

"... All I ever wanted was to love women, and in turn to be loved by them back. Their behavior towards me has only earned my hatred, and rightfully so! I am the true victim in all of this. I am the good guy. Humanity struck at me first by condemning me to experience so much suffering. I didn’t ask for this. I didn’t want this. I didn’t start this war... I wasn’t the one who struck first... But I will finish it by striking back."
- Elliot Rodger's manifesto/autobiography My Twisted World, Page 137

The idea that mass murderers are "just malicious" is blatantly incorrect; The vast majority of mass murderers view themselves as the victims, and feel that their actions are a justified response to external forces. They may want to inflict as much pain as possible, but they desire this because they view the infliction of such pain as "justice" for the "wrongs" they have suffered. Is this line of thinking extremely narcissistic and paranoid? Undoubtedly so. However they genuinely feel that this line of thought is the correct one, and act accordingly.

STK wrote:

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza and most other mass murderers are just malicious, they only want to inflict as much pain on people as possible, they all knew it was a bad thing to do, they all accepted reality. Omar didn't however, in his mind he was doing good and saving the world from more evil.

It's like dying in the great crusades, alpha as fuck. No doubt if Omar's afterlife exists he'd have 27 virgins right now.

Like Moses, I spread the sea and lead my people — the Weak, the Defenseless, and the Innocent
Children of all ages that you fucked and will always try to fuck — to eternal freedom. Thanks to
you Sinners, you Spillers of Blood, I set the example of the century for my Children to follow.
-Seung Hui Cho

"The struggle for which many brothers died in the past, and for which I will die, is not solely because of what is known as "bullying". Our fight is against cruel people, cowards, who take advantage of the kindness, the weakness of people unable to defend themselves."
-Wellington De Oliveria

"Society had their chance"
-James Huberty

"... All I ever wanted was to love women, and in turn to be loved by them back. Their behavior towards me has only earned my hatred, and rightfully so! I am the true victim in all of this. I am the good guy. Humanity struck at me first by condemning me to experience so much suffering. I didn’t ask for this. I didn’t want this. I didn’t start this war... I wasn’t the one who struck first... But I will finish it by striking back."
- Elliot Rodger's manifesto/autobiography ]My Twisted World, Page 137[/url]

The idea that mass murderers are "just malicious" is blatantly incorrect; The vast majority of mass murderers view themselves as the victims, and feel that their actions are a justified response to external forces. They may want to inflict as much pain as possible, but they desire this because they view the infliction of such pain as "justice" for the "wrongs" they have suffered. Is this line of thinking extremely narcissistic and paranoid? Undoubtedly so. However they genuinely feel that this line of thought is the correct one, and act accordingly.

Lmao I've been BTFO tbh
Dying for allah is objectively more alpha than dying because you were bullied still though

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thank you for admitting that my points were vaild, rather then getting angry and defensive as some people do. I appreciate it .

Lmao @ people who keep arguing when they know they're wrong tbh, stopped trying to hold my position the second I knew I was incorrect

STK wrote:

The idea that mass murderers are "just malicious" is blatantly incorrect; The vast majority of mass murderers view themselves as the victims, and feel that their actions are a justified response to external forces. They may want to inflict as much pain as possible, but they desire this because they view the infliction of such pain as "justice" for the "wrongs" they have suffered. Is this line of thinking extremely narcissistic and paranoid? Undoubtedly so. However they genuinely feel that this line of thought is the correct one, and act accordingly.

Thank you for posting. I wanted to say the same thing.

Since Adam Lanza was named specifically, I'll just add that he also made it clear that he saw the culture that created and sustained civilization as something that caused pain, sickness, alienation and even mass murder. It was deeply upsetting to him because he saw all humans who lived in modern society as victims of indoctrination which caused them to be unhappy without realizing what was causing their pain because they were so brainwashed into believing that their own difficulties must strictly be a problem that originated internally no matter how many people in the same society were experiencing the same feelings of depression, anxiety and alienation.

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Gory shockumentaries are a joke compared to the terror of cultural indoctrination.

The power trips that you describe are going to be so prominent because of the entire philosophy behind education: the brutal indoctrination of pristine minds so as to propagate some delusional system of cultural values.

Is it really so ideal to have good and efficient citizens? All they'll do is be more effective at propagating the system you hate. Power trips and bullying are just symptoms, not the disease itself.

Therapists are secular priests who assert that they have some "truth", and if your values deviate, then you are "wrong". Hence, The Rapist. They impose their values onto you through their mindfucking.

Literature is simply another coping mechanism for children who've been mindfucked by culturapists.

Culture. I've been pissed out of my mind all night thinking about it. I should have been born a chimp.

I spent all day ruminating over how much I hate culture. Now I've calmed down and am left lying on the floor, numbly perplexed over the foreign concept of loving life.

Enculturing human children is already terrifying enough, but enculturing other apes is something out of the cruelest nightmare. I don't know of anything more worthy of crying over. Rest in peace, little buddy. You're free from the rape of civilization now.

What is "chemical imbalance" even supposed to mean? Why don't hunter-gatherers need antidepressants? I swear, a psychiatrist could take a perfectly fine chimpanzee away from its jungle, confine it in captivity, and when the chimp gets depressed, they would say, "This chimpanzee has a chemical imbalance. What? A correlation between enculturation and depression? But culture brings us meaning and beauty. Get out of my way, cavemanwannabe. I need to prescribe this chimp some Xanax".

Only if you factor in infant mortality, but that's even more of an indication why they should be needing antidepressants, not the opposite. And yet somehow, it's we domesticated humans that need antidepressants while hunter-gatherers are the happy ones.

Thinking of this society as the default state of existence is the reason why you think that humans would be ""not well"" for ""no reason whatsoever"". Civilization has not been present for 99% of the existence of hominids, and the only way that it's ever sustained is by indoctrinating each new child for years on end. The ""wellness"" that you speak of is solely defined by a child's submission to this process and their subsequent capacity to propagate civilization themselves. When civilization exists in a form where all forms of alienation (among many other things) are rampant, as can be seen in the most recent incarnation within the last fifty years which AS55 talked about, new children will end up ""not well"" in all sorts of ways. You don't even have to touch a topic as cryptic as mass murder to see an indication of this: you can look at a single symptom as egregious as the proliferation of antidepressants. And look in your own life. You've said that you're afflicted by unrelenting anxiety and that you're afraid to leave your house. Do you really think that the way you feel is not symptomatic of anything other than your own inexplicable defectiveness?

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Does anyone know which gun he used to commit suicide?
I know he had a Glock and a Ruger but I can not find anywhere saying which one he commited suicide with.

Myll wrote:

Does anyone know  which gun he used to commit suicide?
I know he had a Glock and a Ruger but I can not find anywhere saying which one he commited suicide with.

his semi auto, i forgot the exact name though

My first impression of this mass shooting was that it was done by someone without any ideological motives but rather a personal vendetta against his family and quite frankly the community at large. There is a saying that I tend to fall back on to explain those who commit mass shooting/killings and have no ideological motive...."When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it."

These mass killings are becoming more and more common in not just the United States but also in other western countries because these countries are the ones that are the most heavily impacted by the post-industrial information age's side effect of increased living costs and overpopulation, overpopulation leads to increased resource competition and subsequent stress averaged out across the population as a whole. In other words its like applying tension to a wooden board and bending it with a press, it is going to give out at some certain point.

Many people would like to distance themselves from this chaos and say that they would never do such a thing, but it seems very apparent to me that the fabric that holds society together is very fragile. All it takes is a certain combination of environmental factors and anyone can become mentally overwhelmed and commit moral bankruptcy.

I anticipate US crime and crime in other countries in the west to increase dramatically in the coming decades and eventually exceed the records set in the 20th century. You can not have such high levels of wealth inequality, high living costs, and a massive drug epidemic caused by bad drug policy without there eventually being a rise in crime in the long run.

Have we gotten any information on the victim's autopsies? From reading reports, it sounds like he was a lot like Cho. He went through the rows checking for any remaining lives in each aisle. Reminds me of how Cho swept classrooms. I wonder if he was as accurate as Cho was?

hvernon wrote:

I wonder if he was as accurate as Cho was?

It doesn't sound like he was. One of the articles posted on the previous page said he may have shot around 450 rounds. Cho fired less than 200 rounds.

BehindZeroProxies wrote:

It's like dying in the great crusades, alpha as fuck. No doubt if Omar's afterlife exists he'd have 27 virgins right now.

I'm still inclined to think the Pulse shooter was gay and acted out of frustration. The first picture I saw of him immediately triggered my gaydar. And trust me, I remember. I woke up to those headlines and cried because I've been to that club.

This makes me think back to having a college roommate from Saudi Arabia. One of his cousins befriended me and was ridiculously eager to smoke weed when he pegged me for being high. I indulged him--the guy shook so hard the whole time he was hitting the bowl. Absolutely terrified. He thanked me profusely afterward but I never saw the guy again. His cousins never let him come back after that.

My Saudi roommate's dad would wire him $10k in an instant. It fucks with who you are. The pressure to conform, from what I saw, is overwhelming.

The gunman who killed 26 people in a Texas church this week once claimed that he used dogs for "target practice," one of his former Air Force colleagues said Thursday.

"He would make jokes about wanting to kill somebody," Jessika Edwards told CNN about the killer, Devin Kelley. "And we would say, 'Wait, that's not funny.'"

Edwards said Kelley, who was discharged for bad conduct in 2012, worked with her at the Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico for two years. After they reconnected on Facebook in 2014, Kelley said he was buying animals on Craigslist to kill them.

Edwards never found out if that was true, but she said Kelley's behavior spooked her so much that she eventually cut off contact.

She said Kelley was also obsessed with mass murders, especially the 2015 shooting in Charleston, South Carolina, in which gunman Dylann Roof killed nine parioshoners at a black church.

"He would say 'Isn't it cool? Did you watch the news?'" Edwards said. "He would say he wished he had the nerve to do it, but all he would be able to do is kill animals."

Kelley was accused three years ago of punching a dog and throwing it to the ground, The Denver Post reported. He pleaded guilty to animal cruelty, but got off by paying fees.

He also had a history of domestic violence for attacking his wife, as well as child abuse for fracturing his infant step-son’s skull. Neither of these incidents was entered into the federal background check database, which would have prevented Kelley from getting the gun he used for the slaughter at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs. The Air Force is reviewing how the mistake happened.

Kelley was found dead after fleeing the scene. Police believe he fatally shot himself, but a cause of death has not been determined. A motive for the massacre has not been determined.

Like I said before, he seemed like a real charmer. WHY was he not jailed over hitting an infant with enough force that he fractured its scull?!!!! For one if that was my child, he would have been dead! So the mom is shit in my opinion as well. Any woman that would let someone hurt her child isn't worthy of being a mom.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Like I said before, he seemed like a real charmer. WHY was he not jailed over hitting an infant with enough force that he fractured its scull?!!!! For one if that was my child, he would have been dead! So the mom is shit in my opinion as well. Any woman that would let someone hurt her child isn't worthy of being a mom.

According to what I read, he was sentenced to a year in "confinement" by the Air Force after this happened and his wife divorced him while he was imprisoned. One of the problems in this case is that if the Air Force had reported this charge, he would have been banned from purchasing any more guns legally.

This article says that although the sentence was light, it's not unusual for military courts.
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ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Like I said before, he seemed like a real charmer. WHY was he not jailed over hitting an infant with enough force that he fractured its scull?!!!! For one if that was my child, he would have been dead! So the mom is shit in my opinion as well. Any woman that would let someone hurt her child isn't worthy of being a mom.

Well considering he was jailed for beating her too, she probably didn't fight back out of fear he would kill her.

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Like I said before, he seemed like a real charmer. WHY was he not jailed over hitting an infant with enough force that he fractured its scull?!!!! For one if that was my child, he would have been dead! So the mom is shit in my opinion as well. Any woman that would let someone hurt her child isn't worthy of being a mom.

Well considering he was jailed for beating her too, she probably didn't fight back out of fear he would kill her.

he also told people he bought animals for target practice..he seemed like a scary guy

sscc wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Like I said before, he seemed like a real charmer. WHY was he not jailed over hitting an infant with enough force that he fractured its scull?!!!! For one if that was my child, he would have been dead! So the mom is shit in my opinion as well. Any woman that would let someone hurt her child isn't worthy of being a mom.

According to what I read, he was sentenced to a year in "confinement" by the Air Force after this happened and his wife divorced him while he was imprisoned. One of the problems in this case is that if the Air Force had reported this charge, he would have been banned from purchasing any more guns legally.

This article says that although the sentence was light, it's not unusual for military courts.
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Even if the shooter had been barred from purchasing from a gun store, he could have gone to a Texas gun show and faced no background check whatsoever, right? My quick Google search says there are 8 gun shows happening in Texas just this weekend.

curious2017 wrote:

sscc wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Like I said before, he seemed like a real charmer. WHY was he not jailed over hitting an infant with enough force that he fractured its scull?!!!! For one if that was my child, he would have been dead! So the mom is shit in my opinion as well. Any woman that would let someone hurt her child isn't worthy of being a mom.

According to what I read, he was sentenced to a year in "confinement" by the Air Force after this happened and his wife divorced him while he was imprisoned. One of the problems in this case is that if the Air Force had reported this charge, he would have been banned from purchasing any more guns legally.

This article says that although the sentence was light, it's not unusual for military courts.
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Even if the shooter had been barred from purchasing from a gun store, he could have gone to a Texas gun show and faced no background check whatsoever, right? My quick Google search says there are 8 gun shows happening in Texas just this weekend.

That is possible. There are different ways he could have gotten a gun while by passing a background check. The easiest would be just buying from a friend.

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QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Like I said before, he seemed like a real charmer. WHY was he not jailed over hitting an infant with enough force that he fractured its scull?!!!! For one if that was my child, he would have been dead! So the mom is shit in my opinion as well. Any woman that would let someone hurt her child isn't worthy of being a mom.

Well considering he was jailed for beating her too, she probably didn't fight back out of fear he would kill her.

he also told people he bought animals for target practice..he seemed like a scary guy

He was also aggressive enough to give his military superiors death threats when they confronted him about his behavior. Clearly nothing would have deterred him from causing harm to others.

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this guy slipped through every single crack wtf

video shows where the chase ended

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this guy slipped through every single crack wtf

It was the perfect storm I guess. Not unlike the Columbine massacre.

I would say that most, if not all mass shootings are the result of a "perfect storm". Mass murder is such an extreme reaction to any perceived wrong or wrongs that I seriously doubt someone could commit it without there being multiple aggravating factors.

STK wrote:

I would say that most, if not all mass shootings are the result of a "perfect storm". Mass murder is such an extreme reaction to any perceived wrong or wrongs that I seriously doubt someone could commit it without there being multiple aggravating factors.

Well yeah, but there are cases like Stephen Paddock, who showed no significant warning signs, and then there are cases like this, where the shooter showed every major warning sign they humanly could and it was ignored or looked over.

Any update on this shooting? It seems it became forgotten very fast. Any rare photos of Devin Kelley, crime scene photos (inside the church)?

I also wonder did Kelley have a beard during the shooting.

rabadon55 wrote:

Any update on this shooting? It seems it became forgotten very fast. Any rare photos of Devin Kelley, crime scene photos (inside the church)?

I also wonder did Kelley have a beard during the shooting.

I agree. If this happened a few years ago it would be 24/7 news.

STK wrote:

rabadon55 wrote:

Any update on this shooting? It seems it became forgotten very fast. Any rare photos of Devin Kelley, crime scene photos (inside the church)?

I also wonder did Kelley have a beard during the shooting.

I agree. If this happened a few years ago it would be 24/7 news.

Just proves how common these type of shootings have become. Most people will see it and say, "Yeah another shooting" then flip the channel. The media isn't going to keep reporting on something that isn't boosting their ratings.

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"Sheriff’s deputies admitted they did not pursue a sexual assault investigation that, in the end, may have prevented a Texas gunman from legally obtaining the firearm he used to slaughter dozens at a church in November."