Opinion on where Eric and Dylan are now

After Eric and Dylan commited suicide by shooting themselves in the head do you believe they
A. Are in heaven, god has forgiven them
B. Are in hell, god is punishing them
C. Cease to exist, there is no afterlife, they no longer exist the same way they didn’t before they were born
D. Are in a form of the afterlife that is not listed on the above poll.

C/D. Maybe purgatory if there is one. They were kids, no matter how the media or fans want to portray them as criminal masterminds.. they were screwed up, angry kids who thought this was the only way to be heard.

C sadly, though I'd wish A or D were true instead, it would make the world a less depressing place.

Hopefully their souls are reincarnated, so I could meet them...

But that is ludicrous, I personally don't believe in an afterlife, and consequently they have entered eternal nothingness - C.

In a hypothetical scenario where an afterlife exists, they would certainly be in heaven. I believe that good people can do bad things.

C. It's better that way anyway.

I vote C also.

I want to say D but the most likely answer is C.

C. Cease to exist, there is no afterlife, they no longer exist the same way they didn’t before they were born

This is a very interesting question.

I would like to believe they were punished for the crimes and then given peace. As they were just screwed up, misguided kids(as Screaming said). BUT the mom in me can see and understand how the parents of their victims would want them to suffer for eternity.

If it was my own child who was a victim then there would be no forgiveness. I can honestly say that the parents who forgave E&D are much better people then I could ever be under such circumstances.

Also depending on your religion and personal beliefs, committing murder or suicide is a MAJOR no-no in most religions. So most people's answer will likely be based on that. I will say that the only true way to know the answer to this question is to die. Until then we can debate and speculate until the cows come home and will never agree on an answer that is acceptable to everyone.

I don't believe in an afterlife. I think they cease to exist, sadly.

It's sad to me because I know Sue has said she can only hold out hope that one day in some form, she will see Dylan again. I just don't think it will happen. I'm sure both E&D's parents and the families of the victims have the same sense of hope.

This is basically asking people about their religious views. Isn't there a poll topic on this? As an atheist, I'd go with C but lately my spiritual side has been coming to haunt me, I'm exploring the notion that the human brain is a delusion generator and we haven't evolved enough to comprehend reality.

Tuga wrote:

I'm exploring the notion that the human brain is a delusion generator and we haven't evolved enough to comprehend reality.

Agreed.

This is all a simulation. We live in a world of ones and zeros. Nothing we do will ever matter, rights and wrongs are man-made concepts. Nothing can vindicate the existence, this is all an social experiment conducted by some omnipresent deity. We are stuck in a sheepfold for an unknown power to poke their stick at. The only escape marks the final end, the pull of the plug. It's a cruel world.

Also I change my answer to D. By now they have probably entered the Matrix.

VoDKaComeHere wrote:

After Eric and Dylan commited suicide by shooting themselves in the head do you believe they
A. Are in heaven, god has forgiven them
B. Are in hell, god is punishing them
C. Cease to exist, there is no afterlife, they no longer exist the same way they didn’t before they were born
D. Are in a form of the afterlife that is not listed on the above poll.

D., with 500% belief, I believe they are in the astral plane with the other, thirteen victims (as well as other deceased spirits) and I believe forgiveness and understanding has been exchanged between the victims and Eric and Dylan. Just my opinion.

C, sadly. I do hope they found peace though. And I do hope one day Sue gets to hold her baby boy again.

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I believe C but I'd like to believe D, being in an afterlife totally detached from their previous identity and hopefully happier. Hopefully not reincarnated right back to earth :/

To some extent they have passed into another form of existence of matter.

I believe that they are no where, gone. Once you leave this planet its a one way ticket, you don't get a return in this world or the next.

If anyone here picks A, then that's just wishful thinking. If there's an afterlife why would E&D end up in the same place as their victims? And were they sorry for what they did at all? Don't gimme Dyldo's apologies to his mom, those were total horsepie.

  

Some people believe in a God that forgives everyone, why is that more crazy than believing in a god that does not? If God really is something that stands above and beyond our world it makes sense he would not be bound to follow the ethics derived from life on earth.

That is my biggest problem with people who believe in god, the thought that he would be almighty and be the creator of the WHOLE universe and yet only be revolved around earth and what we think and do.
It's so egocentrical

It's like that Bo Burnham song.

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

If anyone here picks A, then that's just wishful thinking.  If there's an afterlife why would E&D end up in the same place as their victims?  And were they sorry for what they did at all?  Don't gimme Dyldo's apologies to his mom, those were total horsepie.  

I believe E&D would end up in the same place as their victims, I happened to believe in the astral plane and soul contracts, the trick of the white light, reincarnation and so with my belief in all of that, I believe people here on Earth - who are manipulated into doing wrong (so that their energy can be fed off of), once they cross over to the other side, they come to an understanding about why they did what they did, and the person or "persons" who was done wrong by them, comes to a mutual understanding as well, and then there's a feeling of remorse and forgiveness among both sides, because both sides understands why the wrong occurred here on Earth, it occurred because humans on Earth are mind manipulated into doing evil things, bad things, so their energy can be feed off of by the ones who controls the afterlife....

It's crazy sounding, I'm sure, but that's my belief, and it's the belief of a lot of others (not all) who have researched into the afterlife and the Matrix that is this planet called Earth.....and etc.

munchkinphone wrote:

Some people believe in a God that forgives everyone, why is that more crazy than believing in a god that does not? If God really is something that stands above and beyond our world it makes sense he would not be bound to follow the ethics derived from life on earth.

That is my biggest problem with people who believe in god, the thought that he would be almighty and be the creator of the WHOLE universe and yet only be revolved around earth and what we think and do.
It's so egocentrical

It's like that Bo Burnham song.

Then there's no morality if God forgives everyone for everything. You could rape, kill, maim, torture, whatever you wanted--you're not going to get into any trouble for it.

I mean, believe what you want...

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

munchkinphone wrote:

Some people believe in a God that forgives everyone, why is that more crazy than believing in a god that does not? If God really is something that stands above and beyond our world it makes sense he would not be bound to follow the ethics derived from life on earth.

That is my biggest problem with people who believe in god, the thought that he would be almighty and be the creator of the WHOLE universe and yet only be revolved around earth and what we think and do.
It's so egocentrical

It's like that Bo Burnham song.

Then there's no morality if God forgives everyone for everything.  You could rape, kill, maim, torture, whatever you wanted--you're not going to get into any trouble for it.  

I mean, believe what you want...

I don't believe in God but I get your point, some people still believe in a god like that though, at least in the country I'm from. I'm not saying I like it, I'm quite tired of it to be honest

munchkinphone wrote:

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

munchkinphone wrote:

Some people believe in a God that forgives everyone, why is that more crazy than believing in a god that does not? If God really is something that stands above and beyond our world it makes sense he would not be bound to follow the ethics derived from life on earth.

That is my biggest problem with people who believe in god, the thought that he would be almighty and be the creator of the WHOLE universe and yet only be revolved around earth and what we think and do.
It's so egocentrical

It's like that Bo Burnham song.

Then there's no morality if God forgives everyone for everything.  You could rape, kill, maim, torture, whatever you wanted--you're not going to get into any trouble for it.  

I mean, believe what you want...

I don't believe in God but I get your point, some people still believe in a god like that though, at least in the country I'm from. I'm not saying I like it, I'm quite tired of it to be honest

I am too quite tired of it. I just cringe when I hear someone says "dont do it god is watching" or "I will go to heaven when I die" etc... I mean I have nothing againts those who believe in god

I'm really skeptical about religion and related topics, but I think it's D. I like to believe there's some kind of afterlife.

Option C. In particular the last thing Eric Harris would remember is kneeling against the bookshelf and putting the shotgun in his mouth.

nowhere, because there is no hell or heaven, other live ant etc... death is the end. But they are still alive in some way, because some people still remember them

Where are they? B. Right now, they are in eternal torment in hell. The Bible clearly states that no murderer has eternal life, unless they have repented and turned to God, which these two clearly did not do. They went out unrepentant having killed themselves after this senseless tragedy. Heaven is very real but so is Hell. The Bible calls Hell a place of eternal seperation from God-seperated from loved ones, light, love, peace, goodness and the love of God. Seperated and also tormented. The Bible speaks of a rich man who went to Hell and in torment being in flames he cried out to Abraham, who was in a place of Heaven but not yet Heaven as Jesus hadn't opened Heaven up yet because He hadn't gone to the cross yet. But being in torment and flames, he cried out to Abraham to come send Lazarus, a beggar who was laid as his doorstep when he was alive who he didn't help, to come dip his finger in water and cool his tongue for he was in pain. Abraham said no, he could not do that as there was a great gulf fixed so that those who wanted to go from Hell to Heaven couldn't and neither could those in Heaven go there. So he said send Lazarus to his brothers to warn them about this place so they wouldn't go there. Again, Abraham said they wouldn't listen even if one were to rise from the dead. It is a place of eternal seperation, eternal pain and darkness. This is what they chose, this is where they reside and have now for nearly 20 years and this will go on for eternity. Do not EVER choose this fate for yourself! They have eternity to regret their foolish decision....

Sporttster wrote:

Where are they? B. Right now, they are in eternal torment in hell. The Bible clearly states that no murderer has eternal life, unless they have repented and turned to God, which these two clearly did not do. They went out unrepentant having killed themselves after this senseless tragedy. Heaven is very real but so is Hell. The Bible calls Hell a place of eternal seperation from God-seperated from loved ones, light, love, peace, goodness and the love of God. Seperated and also tormented. The Bible speaks of a rich man who went to Hell and in torment being in flames he cried out to Abraham, who was in a place of Heaven but not yet Heaven as Jesus hadn't opened Heaven up yet because He hadn't gone to the cross yet. But being in torment and flames, he cried out to Abraham to come send Lazarus, a beggar who was laid as his doorstep when he was alive who he didn't help, to come dip his finger in water and cool his tongue for he was in pain. Abraham said no, he could not do that as there was a great gulf fixed so that those who wanted to go from Hell to Heaven couldn't and neither could those in Heaven go there. So he said send Lazarus to his brothers to warn them about this place so they wouldn't go there. Again, Abraham said they wouldn't listen even if one were to rise from the dead. It is a place of eternal seperation, eternal pain and darkness. This is what they chose, this is where they reside and have now for nearly 20 years and this will go on for eternity. Do not EVER choose this fate for yourself! They have eternity to regret their foolish decision....

there is no proof of heaven and hell. we will just have to see when we die. a

B.

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Btt: As i am an atheist, I think the answer is C. I really would like to believe in some sort of higher meaning or afterlife, but i think that, in the end, our conciousness is just the working of our brains. So, when you blow off said brains with a weapon like they did to themselves, you're just gone.

Sporttster wrote:

Where are they? B. Right now, they are in eternal torment in hell. The Bible clearly states that no murderer has eternal life, unless they have repented and turned to God, which these two clearly did not do. They went out unrepentant having killed themselves after this senseless tragedy. Heaven is very real but so is Hell. The Bible calls Hell a place of eternal seperation from God-seperated from loved ones, light, love, peace, goodness and the love of God. Seperated and also tormented. The Bible speaks of a rich man who went to Hell and in torment being in flames he cried out to Abraham, who was in a place of Heaven but not yet Heaven as Jesus hadn't opened Heaven up yet because He hadn't gone to the cross yet. But being in torment and flames, he cried out to Abraham to come send Lazarus, a beggar who was laid as his doorstep when he was alive who he didn't help, to come dip his finger in water and cool his tongue for he was in pain. Abraham said no, he could not do that as there was a great gulf fixed so that those who wanted to go from Hell to Heaven couldn't and neither could those in Heaven go there. So he said send Lazarus to his brothers to warn them about this place so they wouldn't go there. Again, Abraham said they wouldn't listen even if one were to rise from the dead. It is a place of eternal seperation, eternal pain and darkness. This is what they chose, this is where they reside and have now for nearly 20 years and this will go on for eternity. Do not EVER choose this fate for yourself! They have eternity to regret their foolish decision....

ok, so where do you consider where the 13 victims are?

Ziamber II wrote:

Sporttster wrote:

Where are they? B. Right now, they are in eternal torment in hell. The Bible clearly states that no murderer has eternal life, unless they have repented and turned to God, which these two clearly did not do. They went out unrepentant having killed themselves after this senseless tragedy. Heaven is very real but so is Hell. The Bible calls Hell a place of eternal seperation from God-seperated from loved ones, light, love, peace, goodness and the love of God. Seperated and also tormented. The Bible speaks of a rich man who went to Hell and in torment being in flames he cried out to Abraham, who was in a place of Heaven but not yet Heaven as Jesus hadn't opened Heaven up yet because He hadn't gone to the cross yet. But being in torment and flames, he cried out to Abraham to come send Lazarus, a beggar who was laid as his doorstep when he was alive who he didn't help, to come dip his finger in water and cool his tongue for he was in pain. Abraham said no, he could not do that as there was a great gulf fixed so that those who wanted to go from Hell to Heaven couldn't and neither could those in Heaven go there. So he said send Lazarus to his brothers to warn them about this place so they wouldn't go there. Again, Abraham said they wouldn't listen even if one were to rise from the dead. It is a place of eternal seperation, eternal pain and darkness. This is what they chose, this is where they reside and have now for nearly 20 years and this will go on for eternity. Do not EVER choose this fate for yourself! They have eternity to regret their foolish decision....

ok, so where do you consider where the 13 victims are?

I believe there is some sort of afterlife where the human soul goes to, but I feel they are either in purgatory or all black.

arnounymus wrote:

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Btt: As i am an atheist, I think the answer is C. I really would like to believe in some sort of higher meaning or afterlife, but i think that, in the end, our conciousness is just the working of our brains. So, when you blow off said brains with a weapon like they did to themselves, you're just gone.

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arnounymus wrote:

Hi, this is my first post on this forum, so first things first    ... Hello to everyone!
Btt: As i am an atheist, I think the answer is C. I really would like to believe in some sort of higher meaning or afterlife, but i think that, in the end, our conciousness is just the working of our brains. So, when you blow off said brains with a weapon like they did to themselves, you're just gone.

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Sporttster wrote:

Where are they? B. Right now, they are in eternal torment in hell. The Bible clearly states that no murderer has eternal life, unless they have repented and turned to God, which these two clearly did not do. They went out unrepentant having killed themselves after this senseless tragedy. Heaven is very real but so is Hell. The Bible calls Hell a place of eternal seperation from God-seperated from loved ones, light, love, peace, goodness and the love of God. Seperated and also tormented. The Bible speaks of a rich man who went to Hell and in torment being in flames he cried out to Abraham, who was in a place of Heaven but not yet Heaven as Jesus hadn't opened Heaven up yet because He hadn't gone to the cross yet. But being in torment and flames, he cried out to Abraham to come send Lazarus, a beggar who was laid as his doorstep when he was alive who he didn't help, to come dip his finger in water and cool his tongue for he was in pain. Abraham said no, he could not do that as there was a great gulf fixed so that those who wanted to go from Hell to Heaven couldn't and neither could those in Heaven go there. So he said send Lazarus to his brothers to warn them about this place so they wouldn't go there. Again, Abraham said they wouldn't listen even if one were to rise from the dead. It is a place of eternal seperation, eternal pain and darkness. This is what they chose, this is where they reside and have now for nearly 20 years and this will go on for eternity. Do not EVER choose this fate for yourself! They have eternity to regret their foolish decision....

First of all, this is an opinion poll. And you just gave me a big fat paragraph speaking like what you believe is fact and thats whats what...well ill give you the same treatment.... Where are they? THEY DO CEASE to exist...and whether you keep believing what you do or not that won't change shit in the end and you're gonna cease to exist just like every other last human being.

From what I know it was snowing in CO after their bodies were taken out of the school. I found this:

Isaiah 1:18
"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.

Rebbie556 wrote:

From what I know it was snowing in CO after their bodies were taken  out of the school.  I found this:

Isaiah 1:18
"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.

And on the 19ith anniversary it was beautiful, cold layer and snowed the next day.

No matter what I mourn all 15. Any child so filled with anger and hate that he or she sees no outlet but violence will get my empathy.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Any child so filled with anger and hate that he or she sees no outlet but violence will get my empathy.

I agree.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Rebbie556 wrote:

From what I know it was snowing in CO after their bodies were taken  out of the school.  I found this:

Isaiah 1:18
"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.

And on the 19ith anniversary it was beautiful, cold layer and snowed the next day.

No matter what I mourn all 15. Any child so filled with anger and hate that he or she sees no outlet but violence will get my empathy.

100% agreed!

No matter how people want to look at it, 15 souls were indeed lost. 15 lives were cut short, and ended in a horrible way. Although some would say that two of those (E&D) were lost long before they died that day. I agree with that sentiment as well.

Only sin that is unforgivable is if your don’t believe in Jesus Christ! So they could very well be in A.

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Mojo11 wrote:

Only sin that is unforgivable is if your don’t believe in Jesus Christ! So they could very well be in A.

What about the people who live in remote African tribes and have never had the chance to read the bible?

Mojo11 wrote:

Only sin that is unforgivable is if your don’t believe in Jesus Christ! So they could very well be in A.

Heads up everyone who voted C, this guy/gal thinks you've committed the one and only unforgivable sin and will therefore burn in hell for eternity. That makes sense, killing people and raping and all that is forgivable, but heavens no if you don't believe in something that doesn't have a shred of evidence.

VoDKaComeHere wrote:

Mojo11 wrote:

Only sin that is unforgivable is if your don’t believe in Jesus Christ! So they could very well be in A.

Heads up everyone who voted C, this guy/gal thinks you've committed the one and only unforgivable sin and will therefore burn in hell for eternity. That makes sense, killing people and raping and all that is forgivable, but heavens no if you don't believe in something that doesn't have a shred of evidence.

I'm reminded of the Young Life people at Columbine that E&D themselves hated quite a bit...that's how they've been said to act, or at least that's what the somewhat questionable Ralph Larkin book said.

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

VoDKaComeHere wrote:

Mojo11 wrote:

Only sin that is unforgivable is if your don’t believe in Jesus Christ! So they could very well be in A.

Heads up everyone who voted C, this guy/gal thinks you've committed the one and only unforgivable sin and will therefore burn in hell for eternity. That makes sense, killing people and raping and all that is forgivable, but heavens no if you don't believe in something that doesn't have a shred of evidence.

I'm reminded of the Young Life people at Columbine that E&D themselves hated quite a bit...that's how they've been said to act, or at least that's what the somewhat questionable Ralph Larkin book said.  

You make a good point, now that you said it they remind me of them to.

VoDKaComeHere wrote:

Mojo11 wrote:

Only sin that is unforgivable is if your don’t believe in Jesus Christ! So they could very well be in A.

Heads up everyone who voted C, this guy/gal thinks you've committed the one and only unforgivable sin and will therefore burn in hell for eternity. That makes sense, killing people and raping and all that is forgivable, but heavens no if you don't believe in something that doesn't have a shred of evidence.

Feel that Christian love. 

I consider E&D as victims of the school itself and I feel bad about that....
I remember reading Susan DeWitts statement where Eric said how they were picked on& how the teachers didn't do anything but watch.

QuestionMark wrote:

VoDKaComeHere wrote:

Mojo11 wrote:

Only sin that is unforgivable is if your don’t believe in Jesus Christ! So they could very well be in A.

Heads up everyone who voted C, this guy/gal thinks you've committed the one and only unforgivable sin and will therefore burn in hell for eternity. That makes sense, killing people and raping and all that is forgivable, but heavens no if you don't believe in something that doesn't have a shred of evidence.

Feel that Christian love. 

Right?