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My opinion is that Craig Scott is full of shit. Idk I just don’t like the guy. It’s like he’s milking his own sister’s death!

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My opinion is that Craig Scott is full of shit. Idk I just don’t like the guy. It’s like he’s milking his own sister’s death!

I think the entire family milks that poor girl's death. There have already been so many things disproven that her family continue to push. I understand grieving your own daughter, and perhaps believing she died a certain way is a way for them to accept her death. But they continue to push it in media having a movie made with all of these fake facts in it. I wish they would let Rachel rest in peace.
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A long time ago I watched Amanda’s YouTube series  about being a survivor of the library. She said on the I think it was the 10  anniversary the tone was  pretty much if you weren’t an injured survivor or a family member of someone who died you were nonexistent Sad

That hasn't changed. Not from where I'm standing.
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Yumeko-chan wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
A long time ago I watched Amanda’s YouTube series  about being a survivor of the library. She said on the I think it was the 10  anniversary the tone was  pretty much if you weren’t an injured survivor or a family member of someone who died you were nonexistent Sad

That hasn't changed.  Not from where I'm standing.


My friend has said something similar. She is a survivor as well Sad

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Screamingophelia wrote:
Yumeko-chan wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
A long time ago I watched Amanda’s YouTube series  about being a survivor of the library. She said on the I think it was the 10  anniversary the tone was  pretty much if you weren’t an injured survivor or a family member of someone who died you were nonexistent Sad

That hasn't changed.  Not from where I'm standing.


My friend has said something similar. She is a survivor as well Sad

It's very unfortunate the community reacts this way. Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Unpopular opinions  - Page 4 Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 2:30 pm

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My opinion is that Craig Scott is full of shit. Idk I just don’t like the guy. It’s like he’s milking his own sister’s death!

I think the entire family milks that poor girl's death. There have already been so many things disproven that her family continue to push. I understand grieving your own daughter, and perhaps believing she died a certain way is a way for them to accept her death. But they continue to push it in media having a movie made with all of these fake facts in it. I wish they would let Rachel rest in peace.

My sister, who was one if Rachel's best friends since childhood through high school, feels this way. Darryl was horrible to his family. He married Beth when she qas young and encouraged her to be his pastors wife instead of getting an education. Then he divorced her leaving her to support five children. He had no money because he refused to take jobs that were "beneath" him. He didn't spend much time with his children, Rachel was much closer to her stepfather Larry than Darryl. Them she dies and voila he can be a pastor of sorts.

I feel like its hard to judge him because he was still her father and she was killed so young in a horrible way amd Im sure he has guilt for not being as close to his family as he should have. But i do get where my sister is coming from. She knew Rachel wasnt close and wasnt a huge fan of her dad.

My sister said she'd be moritifed her death has been twisted this way. Most casual friends at school didnt even know she was personally Christian (most kids at Columbine come from church going Christian families so its kind of assumed) She hated Columbine and was planning on dropping out after the year was done.
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Unpopular opinions  - Page 4 Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 2:57 pm

milennialrebelette wrote:
hvernon wrote:
vio1ette wrote:
My opinion is that Craig Scott is full of shit. Idk I just don’t like the guy. It’s like he’s milking his own sister’s death!

I think the entire family milks that poor girl's death. There have already been so many things disproven that her family continue to push. I understand grieving your own daughter, and perhaps believing she died a certain way is a way for them to accept her death. But they continue to push it in media having a movie made with all of these fake facts in it. I wish they would let Rachel rest in peace.

My sister, who was one if Rachel's best friends since childhood through high school, feels this way. Darryl was horrible to his family. He married Beth when she qas young and encouraged her to be his pastors wife instead of getting an education. Then he divorced her leaving her to support five children.  He had no money because he refused to take jobs that were "beneath" him. He didn't spend much time with his children,  Rachel was much closer to her stepfather Larry than Darryl. Them she dies and voila he can be a pastor of sorts.

I feel like its hard to judge him because he was still her father and she was killed so young in a horrible way amd Im sure he has guilt for not being as close to his family as he should have. But i do get where my sister is coming from. She knew Rachel wasnt close and wasnt a huge fan of her dad.

My sister said she'd be moritifed her death has been twisted this way.  Most casual friends at school didnt even know she was personally Christian (most kids at Columbine come from church going Christian families so its kind of assumed) She hated Columbine and was planning on dropping out after the year was done.

I've always thought there was something weird about that family.
I've heard things here and there about Rachel's father being a sketchy person, and it's obvious that he is milking Rachel's death.
Even though I never knew Rachel, I always got the feeling that she would be pissed about how her parents milked her death.

I get that same feeling about Cassie, too.
People know her as the girl who was faked into being a martyr by her family.
Her family knew that the "she said yes" dialogue wasn't said by Cassie, yet they still knowingly released a book causing major scrutiny.
I feel like things like that taint the legacy of the victim.

I feel as she would of just rather been remembered for who she was, instead of having this fake hero narrative built into her legacy.

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And it seems like no one talks about how brave Mr.Sanders was or how John confronted them...

I did read an article that Val mentioned she moved away for many reasons including that she was almost meant to feel bad about being the one that took that story away from Cassie because she’s the one that was asked and said yes.


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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Unpopular opinions  - Page 4 Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2019 3:35 pm

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And it seems like no one talks about how brave Mr.Sanders was or how John confronted them...

I did read an article that Val mentioned she moved away for many reasons including that  she was almost meant to feel bad about being the one that took that story away from Cassie because she’s the one that was asked and said yes.


Yeah poor Val she was a Lifeteen leader at Cabrini with my sister. She was up in Summit county as a social worker for awhile, married with kiddos. I know some of her younger siblings, poor girl went through hell.
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milennialrebelette wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
And it seems like no one talks about how brave Mr.Sanders was or how John confronted them...

I did read an article that Val mentioned she moved away for many reasons including that  she was almost meant to feel bad about being the one that took that story away from Cassie because she’s the one that was asked and said yes.


Yeah poor Val she was a Lifeteen leader at Cabrini with my sister. She was up in Summit county as a social worker for awhile, married with kiddos. I know some of her younger siblings,  poor girl went through hell.


I honestly to this day still get tears in my eyes when number one I see the picture of Val on graduation day. And when I hear about how she was holding on to Lauren and she told her it was going to be OK.

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Unpopular opinions  - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Feb 19, 2019 6:32 pm

Screamingophelia wrote:
And it seems like no one talks about how brave Mr.Sanders was or how John confronted them...

I did read an article that Val mentioned she moved away for many reasons including that  she was almost meant to feel bad about being the one that took that story away from Cassie because she’s the one that was asked and said yes.


Yeah I didn't even think about how that story must of made Val feel.

That is such a shitty situation to be in. It's like if you come out and say "Hey I said that not Cassie", it puts this burden on you like your taking away from her legacy.
But how can you stay quiet about something like that when you know it was all just a lie.
Damned if you do damned if you don't type of thing.
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slippy123 wrote:
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And it seems like no one talks about how brave Mr.Sanders was or how John confronted them...

I did read an article that Val mentioned she moved away for many reasons including that  she was almost meant to feel bad about being the one that took that story away from Cassie because she’s the one that was asked and said yes.


Yeah I didn't even think about how that story must of made Val feel.

That is such a shitty situation to be in. It's like if you come out and say "Hey I said that not Cassie", it puts this burden on you like your taking away from her legacy.
But how can you stay quiet about something like that when you know it was all just a lie.
Damned if you do damned if you don't type of thing.

She couldn't win, you're right.

Sadly we do have "proof" we have the first part of the confrontation on the extended 911 call. Sad

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Screamingophelia wrote:
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And it seems like no one talks about how brave Mr.Sanders was or how John confronted them...

I did read an article that Val mentioned she moved away for many reasons including that  she was almost meant to feel bad about being the one that took that story away from Cassie because she’s the one that was asked and said yes.


Yeah I didn't even think about how that story must of made Val feel.

That is such a shitty situation to be in. It's like if you come out and say "Hey I said that not Cassie", it puts this burden on you like your taking away from her legacy.
But how can you stay quiet about something like that when you know it was all just a lie.
Damned if you do damned if you don't type of thing.

She couldn't win, you're right.

Sadly we do have "proof" we have the first part of the confrontation on the extended 911 call. Sad

Makes me wonder how that situation would of went down if the call wasn't recorded.
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Given I think they planned for their victims turning around, I have to wonder how much Gardner is more of a hero than Sanders. Sanders told them to turn around, but they knew that would happen, and went to enter the west entrance. But they got into a gunfight, and didn't have too many to shoot when they entered, and seemed to miss everyone anyway.

In fact I wonder if that's the reason for the "shooting from the parking lot" myth in the first place. To wipe some egg off the face of Jeffco for Sanders death and let him be a martyr.
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Given I think they planned for their victims turning around, I have to wonder how much Gardner is more of a hero than Sanders. Sanders told them to turn around, but they knew that would happen, and went to enter the west entrance. But they got into  a gunfight, and didn't have too many to shoot when they entered, and seemed to miss everyone anyway.

In fact I wonder if that's the reason for the "shooting from the parking lot" myth in the first place. To wipe some egg off the face of Jeffco for Sanders death and let him be a martyr.

If you ask DeAngelis now, Sanders was a huge huge hero who took a bullet for him!

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Which is amazing considering they were in opposite ends of the school...



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Which is amazing considering they were in opposite ends of the school...



Well it must be a tiny school then! lololol

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I have one unpopular opinion from the perspective of the researcher that might sound horrible and perhaps many would call me a bad person because of it.

The thing is that I am not at all interested in the stories of the victims. I don’t believe in fate or destiny and I’m not a believer so I don’t attach any fateful value to their deaths in terms of martyrs etc. They were just people who got in the way of the perpetrators, which is often the case with mass murders.

Of course, I feel terribly sorry for the victims, their friends and families, but I am only truly interested in the minds and motives of the perpetrators.

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Eric and Dylan were both bullied and bullies themselves

Eric Harris was simply angry at everything, but Dylan Klebold seemed to genuinely hate the people around him toward the end of his life

One of them was gay for the other. I'm sorry, but you don't go out and kill people with your friend because he told you to

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if it weren't for the media and the humanist society, these two good-for-nothings would have rotted in a euthanasia room.

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Despite I’m Not Ashamed being inaccurate, it was still a really good movie
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So many... 



- Eric wasn't a psychopath, he was an edge lord from the highest order.  
Everything we saw on his diary was clearly made for an audience. As someone who suffers from anger issues, I can assure you that is hard as hell to manage and end up feeling guilt and even shame after you calm down and, in the basement tapes, there's some signals of, at least, guilt (towards his parents). The difference is that Eric embraced and used his sickness to gather the bravery he thought he needed to get revenge. 




"I have so much love to give and no one wants it"  
Dylan wasn't "in love" with no one. He wasn't a loving person at all.  
He hated himself. You cannot give what you don't have.  
Many girls who fantasize being with him, if they somehow went to '99 and dated him, would probably end up on a wreck of a relationship and hurt, no doubt.




- People don’t know how to treat boys so they have healthy egos.  
Both E&D struggled with masculinity. 
Girls' acknowledgement, respect, feeling/looking strong, etc. People tend to be careful with things like fat or slut shaming girls and stuff like that, knowing how deep it affects female psychology. This is the same for young males, in different areas.





- People keep asking why they did it, but most people know, deep inside, exactly why and are not brave enough to suck it up and accept their part of the guilt in the whole tragedy. Especially JeffCo.




- I feel Sue, sadly, lies in some of the things she says.  
I completely understand how bad she might’ve felt through all of these years, but I think she knows the kind of stuff that could have happened at home that helped Dylan go depressive and its none of the things she had told already. She clearly had a “goody-two-shoes" image of Dylan and she’s apparently not able to accept that he never was and that she pushed the responsibility of being that kid into him.




- Both guys could have been stopped. 
 Suicidal thoughts and depression are treatable, as well as anger issues. Everyone has a chance.




- The principal reason Columbine both scares and fascinates people is because it shows how deep down can seemingly normal people go if cornered enough.  
Everyone can be a "sicko" if the right number of situations build up. 

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Unpopular Opinion: Columbine is boring and we already have basically everything on the case and everything's been discussed.

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What is the point of this forum even again? All new posts are just either Pekka's rantings or just new or just random top x's on mass shootings or just other random posts about politics or whatever


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What is the point of this forum even again? All new posts are just either Pekka's rantings or just new or just random top x's, mass shootings or just other random posts about politics or whatever
Although I think this thread fits the discussion aspect of the forum, I think moderators and the admin are pretty inactive which is why there's so many posts of people fighting and rambling.

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What is the point of this forum even again? All new posts are just either Pekka's rantings or just new or just random top x's, mass shootings or just other random posts about politics or whatever
Columbine but there's nothing left to discuss about it, so then new mass shooting threads were added, but there's nothing to discuss right now about them either, which led to users like Pekka being able to take over with his posts. This forum is pretty much dead and the top posters in the past either hardly log on or haven't logged on in years. 

This site and 4chan are the only ways that i socialize these days. I need to touch grass tbh.

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scythezoid wrote:
Sturmengel wrote:
What is the point of this forum even again? All new posts are just either Pekka's rantings or just new or just random top x's, mass shootings or just other random posts about politics or whatever
Columbine but there's nothing left to discuss about it, so then new mass shooting threads were added, but there's nothing to discuss right now about them either, which led to users like Pekka being able to take over with his posts. This forum is pretty much dead and the top posters in the past either hardly log on or haven't logged on in years. 

This site and 4chan are the only ways that i socialize these days. I need to touch grass tbh.
I touched the grass but the all singing all dancing crap of the world was still there....
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Unpopular Opinion: Columbine is boring and we already have basically everything on the case and everything's been discussed.

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It's still to this day discussed as merely a shooting.

It's made boring by discussing the same things and people using "unpopular opinions" to signal popular onions.
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Screamingophelia wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on the shooting that others think is a bit out there?

Let’s all be nice Smile

I’ll start

- I think Eric and Dylan were bullied.  

- I think Adam Kyler exaggerated.

- I don’t think it’s weird to think Dylan had his first kiss at some point. I also don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibilities that he gave in and kissed Robyn. I don’t think Dylan would have cared enough to shout it from the rooftops and I doubt Robyn is going to write an op-ed entitled “I boinked Dylan Klebold and he still killed my friends”



Eric and dylan were best friends.
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