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 After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies

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PostSubject: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies   After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Icon_minitimeFri Mar 22, 2019 6:58 pm

After the Christchurch mosques shooting, the similarity between Tarrant and Breivik was striking, especially regarding their strategies for after the shooting. Both intend(ed) to use their trial as a way to spread even more their ideology and gain publicity for their manifesto and opinions. Tarrant has already started trolling again with his "ok" sign and had made his intentions clear in his manifesto:

Tarrant about surviving the attack and going to trial:


So did Breivik in his own manifesto:

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Now there are many other far-right shooters who went to trial, although they seem to take less advantage of their trial.IDK if it is because they are less publicized (Robert Bowers) so I thought that, unlike islamist terrorists, far-right terrorists may not wish to commit suicide because they still expect to change the society even when in prison whereas islamist terrorists' goal is to destroy the society, which they cannot do if in prison. But then I thought about Dylann Roof and Breivik who contemplated suicide, and Alexandre Bissonnette who was already suicidal and contemplated suicide after the attack but finally changed his mind:

extract from an article by the Guardian about Breivik's court:

Dylann Roof in his confession video:

But some far-right terrorists still committed suicide, for example two members of the NSU, Giuseppe Quattrocchi, Amanda Miller...

So I think it depends on the ambition of the shooter. Some seemed to be already suicidal before the attack. This is all I know, but it may be interesting to compare with Islamist and far-left terrorism. I think islamist terrorists who are caught alive don't want to co-operate with the police, like Salah Abdslam who refuses to speak.
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PostSubject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies   After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Icon_minitimeFri Mar 22, 2019 7:12 pm

Interesting post, have you read a sizeable amount of Breivik's manifesto ? I have it saved but have never gotten around to it since its incredibly long
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Mh_12rm_66 wrote:
Interesting post, have you read a sizeable amount of Breivik's manifesto ? I have it saved but have never gotten around to it since its incredibly long

Not really, I have skimmed through it and searched for peculiar words plenty of times and read many passages but in comparison to its 1518 pages I have not read that much. It is quite interesting, you don't have to read everything to get an idea of the man.
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PostSubject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies   After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Icon_minitimeFri Mar 22, 2019 11:34 pm

I might as well include the link to a well-known book written by Al-Qaeda's propaganda master Mohammad al-Hakim:
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PostSubject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies   After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Icon_minitimeSat Mar 23, 2019 9:25 am

There may be a slight difference between Breivik and Tarrant which is the objective of their attack regarding publicity. In many articles I found, journalists say that Breivik used his attack as a way to "market" his compendium. However I cannot find sources that would directly comes from Breivik's words or text. Brenton Tarrant on the other hand wrote:

Tarrant wrote:
Did you commit the attack to receive media coverage and to propagate your own writings/beliefs/ideals?
No, the attack was a [sic] end in itself, with all the necessary affect required. These writing, and their coverage, are just a bonus.
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PostSubject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies   After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Icon_minitimeMon Mar 25, 2019 5:43 am

Suicide and martyrdom in Daesh's propaganda:


Breivik's opinion about suicide/martyrdom:
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I disagree with what you say about Islamists. Most Islamist attacks happen out of retaliation over Western military action in the Middle East (for example, Iraq and Afghanistan) or Western support for Israel. Not necessarily to destroy society.
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InsaneIntruder wrote:
I disagree with what you say about Islamists. Most Islamist attacks happen out of retaliation over Western military action in the Middle East (for example, Iraq and Afghanistan) or Western support for Israel. Not necessarily to destroy society.

I may have written "islamists" instead of "ISIS", my mistake. But I thought that if they could, ISIS would spread their culture even in the Western world, although I may be wrong about this.
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Patrick Crusius about death:
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Neah wrote:
Patrick Crusius about death:

This guy really thought one of the people in Wal-Mart might gun him down?
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extract from Marc Lépine's letter:

I am not sure whether this shooting is to be considered a hate crime or a terror attack. For Lépine, death itself seemed not to have much political value. He was probably depressed and maybe even already suicidal before the attack.
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hvernon wrote:
Neah wrote:
Patrick Crusius about death:

This guy really thought one of the people in Wal-Mart might gun him down?

Concealed carry and all that.

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John T. Earnest about life after the attack:

John T. Earnest about suicide:
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PostSubject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies   After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Icon_minitimeWed Aug 07, 2019 11:23 am

QuestionMark wrote:
hvernon wrote:
Neah wrote:
Patrick Crusius about death:

This guy really thought one of the people in Wal-Mart might gun him down?

Concealed carry and all that.
Not really surprising, it is Texas after all.
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