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|  Subject: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies  Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:58 pm | |
| After the Christchurch mosques shooting, the similarity between Tarrant and Breivik was striking, especially regarding their strategies for after the shooting. Both intend(ed) to use their trial as a way to spread even more their ideology and gain publicity for their manifesto and opinions. Tarrant has already started trolling again with his "ok" sign and had made his intentions clear in his manifesto: - Tarrant about surviving the attack and going to trial:
- Brenton Tarrant wrote:
- Did you intend to survive the attack?
Yes, but death was a definitive possibility. These situations are chaotic and virtually impossible to control, no matter the planning. Survival was a better alternative to death in order to further spread my ideals by media coverage and to deplete resources from the state by my own imprisonment.
If you survived, did you intend to go to trial?
Yes, and to plead not guilty. The attack was a partisan action against a occupying force, and I am a lawful, uniformed combatant.
So did Breivik in his own manifesto: - 3.48, 7:
- Breivik wrote:
- Post-operational phases – propaganda and consolidation
7a. Apprehension
If you for some reason survive the operation you will be apprehended and arrested. This is the point where most heroic Knights would call it a day. However, this is not the case for a Justiciar Knight. Your arrest will mark the initiation of the propaganda phase.
7b. Your trial offers you a stage to the world
and - 3.70:
- Breivik wrote:
- 3.70 Court/trial statements for Justiciar Knight and other patriotic resistance fighters after an operation
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A trial is an excellent opportunity and a well suited arena the Justiciar Knight can use to publicly renounce the authority of the EUSSR/USASSR hegemony and the specific cultural Marxist/multiculturalist regime. [...] The accused should use this opportunity to present all available documentation, illustrations and proof included in this compendium (2083 – A European Declaration of Independence)to claim his innocence. [...] By the time you are done presenting your demands, the judges and the trial audience will probably laugh their asses off and mock you for being ridiculous. [...] But by presenting the following accusations and demands in all seriousness we are indirectly conditioning everyone listening for the conflicts and scenarios ahead. They will laugh today, but in the back of their minds, they have an ounce of fear, respect and admiration for our cause and the alternative and authority we represent. [...] So the key word is “conditioning”, through indirect psychological warfare, directed at our enemies by presenting them with given scenario. We are thus indirectly preparing not only our enemies but our people for what lies ahead. Do not whisper these accusations and demands but tell them out loudly and proudly.
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Using the court proceedings as a platform to further our cause
The goal for the European resistance fighter is not to win the trial but to present all available evidence, presented in this compendium, and his cause in the most favourable way in order to help generate a maximum amount of sympathisers and supporters for the national and/or European patriotic resistance movement. [...] After a successful operation, allowing capture and the subsequent court proceedings may presents several propaganda opportunities.
Now there are many other far-right shooters who went to trial, although they seem to take less advantage of their trial.IDK if it is because they are less publicized (Robert Bowers) so I thought that, unlike islamist terrorists, far-right terrorists may not wish to commit suicide because they still expect to change the society even when in prison whereas islamist terrorists' goal is to destroy the society, which they cannot do if in prison. But then I thought about Dylann Roof and Breivik who contemplated suicide, and Alexandre Bissonnette who was already suicidal and contemplated suicide after the attack but finally changed his mind: - extract from an article by the Guardian about Breivik's court:
Hearing a helicopter overhead, Breivik said he considered killing himself. "I thought, 'do I really want to survive this? I will be the most hated person in Norway and every day for the rest of my life will be a nightmare.' And then I looked over and saw my Glock [pistol], and I thought, 'all right should I shoot myself in the head?'"
But what stopped him pulling the trigger was the thought of the 1,801-page manifesto he had spent five years compiling in an attempt to make Norway wake up to what he sees as the "systematic deconstruction of the Norwegian and European culture" from multiculturalism. "I thought about the compendium, thought, 'you are obliged to fight and if you are unable to fulfill a mission you should let yourself be arrested and fight for your cause through the judicial procedure or prison.'"
- Dylann Roof in his confession video:
"So obviously, I peeked out the door because I thought there would be someone there waiting to shoot me," Roof said. "That extra magazine was not to shoot cops. It was to shoot myself."
But some far-right terrorists still committed suicide, for example two members of the NSU, Giuseppe Quattrocchi, Amanda Miller... So I think it depends on the ambition of the shooter. Some seemed to be already suicidal before the attack. This is all I know, but it may be interesting to compare with Islamist and far-left terrorism. I think islamist terrorists who are caught alive don't want to co-operate with the police, like Salah Abdslam who refuses to speak. |
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:12 pm | |
| Interesting post, have you read a sizeable amount of Breivik's manifesto ? I have it saved but have never gotten around to it since its incredibly long |
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:18 pm | |
| - Mh_12rm_66 wrote:
- Interesting post, have you read a sizeable amount of Breivik's manifesto ? I have it saved but have never gotten around to it since its incredibly long
Not really, I have skimmed through it and searched for peculiar words plenty of times and read many passages but in comparison to its 1518 pages I have not read that much. It is quite interesting, you don't have to read everything to get an idea of the man. |
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:34 pm | |
| I might as well include the link to a well-known book written by Al-Qaeda's propaganda master Mohammad al-Hakim: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] |
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:25 am | |
| There may be a slight difference between Breivik and Tarrant which is the objective of their attack regarding publicity. In many articles I found, journalists say that Breivik used his attack as a way to "market" his compendium. However I cannot find sources that would directly comes from Breivik's words or text. Brenton Tarrant on the other hand wrote: - Tarrant wrote:
- Did you commit the attack to receive media coverage and to propagate your own writings/beliefs/ideals?
No, the attack was a [sic] end in itself, with all the necessary affect required. These writing, and their coverage, are just a bonus. |
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:43 am | |
| - Suicide and martyrdom in Daesh's propaganda:
- DAESH RECRUITMENT. HOW THE GROUP ATTRACTS SUPPORTERS - PREPARED BY THE NATO STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS CENTRE OF EXCELLENCE wrote:
In many official publications Daesh does not ask directly for their supporters to be ready to participate in suicide missions or engage on the battlefield. However, they make a point of showcasing those who have already decided to fight the enemy and sacrifice their lives in the name of God, so that these examples encourage others to support the organization; those who are on the brink of deciding or have at least expressed the intention to do so. […] Before every suicide mission photos are taken of the soon-to-be martyrs looking happy and ready to accomplish their task. […] The ‘culture of martyrdom’ is glorified and ‘fear of the western world’ is leveraged in connection with the idea of ‘the fighter’s love of death’.
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Daesh wants to create the perception that direct support for the ‘Islamic State’ ensures reward in the afterlife and entry into paradise. Those who are killed while committing acts of terrorism are treated as examples of holy martyrs that are part of a narrative in which they smile and talk about beautiful things they see and feel before they enter paradise, i.e. before they die.
- Breivik's opinion about suicide/martyrdom:
- Breivik about suicide and religion wrote:
3.152 Justiciar Knights, Martyrdom vs. Suicide
There is normally absolutely no justification or excuse to commit suicide. It is a shameful,selfish and cowardly act which normally can and should never be justified. According to the canon laws of the Catholic Church; any individual who commits suicide will forever burn in hell as suicide is considered the gravest of sins, similar to that of murder. The definition of suicide by the Christian faith is explained in the following manner; to commit suicide is to “throw away Gods most divine gift”, the gift of life. And anyone who willingly throws this gift away will forever burn in hell without any chance for redemption. Then you have other Christian denominations like Protestantism who literally propagates a view which nullifies the meaning of hell, good deeds, martyrdom and sainthood altogether. According to Protestant laws (for a majority of denominations), you will not go to hell regardless of the fact that you have committed suicide for any imaginable reason. As long as you turn to Jesus before death occurs, all will be forgiven... Not only have the Protestant views made a mockery of every Christian historical codex, it has also severely undermined the practice and glorification of good deeds, martyrdom and sainthood. Who will willingly walk a saint’s path involving pain, sacrifice and martyrdom if there is no distinction between a paedophile rapist murderer and Saint George of Lydda? I usually refer to Protestantism as the Marxism of Christianity. As long as you ask forgiveness before you die you can literally live a life as the most despicable character imaginable. - Breivik about Martyrdom and religion, still 3.152 wrote:
So, in regards to Catholic canon law, the question is; will Justiciar Knights be rejected in heaven as they martyr themselves for the cause or have to “self terminate” during or after an operation, for various reasons?
There are several distinctions that have to be made in this regard:
1.A Justiciar Knight martyring himself for the cause and dies from wounds inflicted by system protectors (police/regime agents)
2.A Justiciar Knight martyring himself for the cause and dies non-intentionally from wounds inflicted by his own actions (explosion etc.)
3.A Justiciar Knight martyring himself for the cause and dies intentionally from wounds inflicted by his own actions (explosion etc.) in order to prevent capture. Capture, by the system protectors working for the multiculturalist regime, could lead to torture and may result in a scenario where information is extracted involuntarily leading to the apprehension, and even the murder, of other Justiciar Knights
4.A Justiciar Knight self terminates after apprehension to escape torture and murder/execution Points
1-3 are considered standard martyrdom deaths, under canon law, which guarantee an abundance of grace and the entry to heaven. Point 4, however, is not a clear case of a martyrdom death but must be seen in perspective to the circumstances. In point 4, a Justiciar Knight would have fulfilled his pact with God (in which he made during the initiation rite) which will lead to him acquiring an abundance of grace regardless of outcome of the operation, as long as he did his best. Because in light of the Knights Templar initiation rite; the candidate has already forfeited/surrendered his life to God and the struggle for the preservation of European Christendom. As such, life – God’s gift, has already been “spent” on the struggle. You cannot “take/kill” something that has already been voluntarily sacrificed. Therefore, in reference to point 4, God’s gift of life is not wasted but has instead more or less fully been used in a manner which pleases God. An individual who receives a life sentence in prison, as a result of his actions relating to the European Resistance Movement and the liberation of Western Europe from the cultural Marxist/multiculturalist dictatorships, is not in a position to take away something that has already been given away. As such, if he chooses to self terminate (not suicide) for logical reasons, or to prevent torture and certain death (this is a likely scenario in many Western European prisons as Muslims dominate a majority of them), it is not considered suicide but will nevertheless take a toll on the amount of grace already acquired. Because a perfect man, in Gods eyes, should be willing to withstand inhuman suffering for the duration of his natural life, if required. However, man is flawed by default and will often be unwilling to face a lifetime of torture in a multiculturalist prison, locked up together with Jihadists. [...] Suicide is a selfish act while martyrdom is a selfless act. When someone commits suicide, they want their pain to end and offer few thoughts for his family, friends and his people. When a Justiciar Knight martyrs himself for the cause he walks down a path well knowing what is likely to await him. He chooses this path of sacrifice, not for his own self serving needs, but for his family, friends, his people, his culture, his nation and for the preservation of Christendom. As such, he is sacrificing the most divine gift, life itself, in service of others and in service of God. This is considered to be the most noble and glories act a human being can ever hope to achieve. [...] Any Justiciar Knight, in light of his initiation pledge, has fully committed his life to our cause. He is therefore standing with one leg thoroughly planted in heaven already as he has already surrendered his life to God. His remaining service, regardless of outcome is merely a formality; providing he does the best he can to benefit the cause. A Justiciar Knight for the Knights Templar, who for tactical reasons, chose to self terminate during or after an operation is not considered to have “thrown God’s gift away”as he is a martyr for the Church. He has sacrificed his freedom and his life to secure the existence of his family, friends, his people, country and the European Church and has such contributed to prevent European Christendom from being gradually deconstructed by the cultural Marxist/multiculturalist regimes of Western Europe. [...] Therefore, to self terminate for strategic or logical reasons (to prevent information extraction by the enemy which will lead to the apprehension of other Justiciar Knights), is not considered suicide but an extension of the sacrifice made to our cause. [...] - Breivik about celebrating martyrs, still 3.152 wrote:
Future considerations for possible veneration of Justiciar Knights
A Justiciar Knight who martyrs himself for the cause, and/or self terminates during or after an operation for tactical reasons, should be celebrated as martyrs for the Church. [...] The process would, however, be quite challenging, but worth the effort as all Justiciar Knights who dies for their faith will be a great source of inspiration for generations to come. They will be role models. Certain, exceptionally brave and selfless, Justiciar Knights in the coming decades should even be considered as candidates for official veneration.
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:36 am | |
| I disagree with what you say about Islamists. Most Islamist attacks happen out of retaliation over Western military action in the Middle East (for example, Iraq and Afghanistan) or Western support for Israel. Not necessarily to destroy society. | |
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:46 am | |
| - InsaneIntruder wrote:
- I disagree with what you say about Islamists. Most Islamist attacks happen out of retaliation over Western military action in the Middle East (for example, Iraq and Afghanistan) or Western support for Israel. Not necessarily to destroy society.
I may have written "islamists" instead of "ISIS", my mistake. But I thought that if they could, ISIS would spread their culture even in the Western world, although I may be wrong about this. |
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:38 pm | |
| - Patrick Crusius about death:
My death is likely inevitable. If I’m not killed by the police, then I’ll probably be gunned down by one of the invaders. Capture in this case if far worse than dying during the shooting because I’ll get the death penalty anyway. Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why I’m not going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If I’m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow.
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:41 pm | |
| - Neah wrote:
- Patrick Crusius about death:
My death is likely inevitable. If I’m not killed by the police, then I’ll probably be gunned down by one of the invaders. Capture in this case if far worse than dying during the shooting because I’ll get the death penalty anyway. Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why I’m not going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If I’m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow.
This guy really thought one of the people in Wal-Mart might gun him down? |
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:56 pm | |
| - extract from Marc Lépine's letter:
Would you note that if I commit suicide today 89-12-06 it is not for economic reasons (for I have waited until I exhausted all my financial means, even refusing jobs) but for political reasons. Because I have decided to send the feminists, who have always ruined my life, to their Maker. For seven years life has brought me no joy and being totally blasé, I have decided to put an end to those viragos.
I am not sure whether this shooting is to be considered a hate crime or a terror attack. For Lépine, death itself seemed not to have much political value. He was probably depressed and maybe even already suicidal before the attack. |
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:18 am | |
| - hvernon wrote:
- Neah wrote:
- Patrick Crusius about death:
My death is likely inevitable. If I’m not killed by the police, then I’ll probably be gunned down by one of the invaders. Capture in this case if far worse than dying during the shooting because I’ll get the death penalty anyway. Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why I’m not going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If I’m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow.
This guy really thought one of the people in Wal-Mart might gun him down? Concealed carry and all that.
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:08 am | |
| - John T. Earnest about life after the attack:
That my act will inspire others to take a stand as well. And when this revolution starts gaining traction (if I am not killed) I expect to be freed from prison and continue the fight.
- John T. Earnest about suicide:
“Was it your plan to live or die?” If I die—I die. I do not care if I die, but I will not sin against my God and murder myself. I plan on living (only you know the outcome).
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| | Subject: Re: After terrorist attacks: discussion about perpetrators' strategies Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:23 am | |
| - QuestionMark wrote:
- hvernon wrote:
- Neah wrote:
- Patrick Crusius about death:
My death is likely inevitable. If I’m not killed by the police, then I’ll probably be gunned down by one of the invaders. Capture in this case if far worse than dying during the shooting because I’ll get the death penalty anyway. Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why I’m not going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If I’m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow.
This guy really thought one of the people in Wal-Mart might gun him down?
Concealed carry and all that. Not really surprising, it is Texas after all. | |
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