Thoughts about Zero Hour/ What did they do wrong?

What is your opinion about the Zero Hour Documentary? What did they get wrong? Two things I can think of is that they said that Eric and Dylan were not filmed when they planted the Bombs, and they portraited Eric as the one who planned the attack all by himself and Dylan was just a follower. Correct me if I'm wrong but was it not Dylan who wrote first about getting a gun and going on a killing spree?

Zero Hour S01E03 Massacre at Columbine High

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toggafsyk

As I recall:

Sunglasses (or did they have their sunglasses?)
Patti not shot (at) first.
Dylan pointing his gun in the cafeteria (from Cullen, surely)
Quotes like "This school is dead" (maybe said, but I don't recall that)
Having them talk to the library while standing at the entrance, and Eric doing most of the talking, and missing a lot of what was said.
Their both shooting out the windows (Eric did; Dylan just knelt down and provided cover. They would risk being pushed out the window by their victims if they both did it)

I believe Eric shot Dave Sanders, not Dylan.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Uhhhh its not terrible but at the same it wasn’t phenomenal i only problems i had was the fact the guns weren’t accurate other than that it was okay i would watch again

Peppered with misinformation, as is typical with made for T.V documentaries like this, but the presentation of the dramatized bits was really phenomenal. It's not hard to tell why this film is greatly responsible for getting people into researching Columbine nowadays.

toggafsyk wrote:

What is your opinion about the Zero Hour Documentary? What did they get wrong? Two things I can think of is that they said that Eric and Dylan were not filmed when they planted the Bombs, and they portraited Eric as the one who planned the attack all by himself and Dylan was just a follower. Correct me if I'm wrong but was it not Dylan who wrote first about getting a gun and going on a killing spree?

Zero Hour S01E03 Massacre at Columbine High

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toggafsyk

I just watched it last night for the first time... I definitely noticed both of the things that you mentioned too. The only other thing that stood out to me (not a fact that they got wrong, just the way they portrayed it) was I thought the portrayals at some points were just way too mellow as to have been realistic; ie-in the real recording of her 911 call Ms. Nielsen is legit terrified while repeatedly screaming at the kids to get under the tables / in the movie it was like hey kids, yeah, ummm, get on the floor... The actual part of the 911 recording I have heard was far more intense than this entire film put together was...Eric saying “peekaboo” is chilling / in the movie it was downright conversational! I feel like this was a ‘good’ movie, but they could’ve done so much more with it...if they would’ve played the library intensity up to the level we have all heard in the actual Nielsen 911 call, it had the potential to be a great movie...all just my opinion...

Marianna wrote:

toggafsyk wrote:

What is your opinion about the Zero Hour Documentary? What did they get wrong? Two things I can think of is that they said that Eric and Dylan were not filmed when they planted the Bombs, and they portraited Eric as the one who planned the attack all by himself and Dylan was just a follower. Correct me if I'm wrong but was it not Dylan who wrote first about getting a gun and going on a killing spree?

Zero Hour S01E03 Massacre at Columbine High

Kind Regards
toggafsyk

I just watched it last night for the first time... I definitely noticed both of the things that you mentioned too.  The only other thing that stood out to me (not a fact that they got wrong, just the way they portrayed it) was I thought the portrayals at some points were just way too mellow as to have been realistic; ie-in the real recording of her 911 call Ms. Nielsen is legit terrified while repeatedly screaming at the kids to get under the tables / in the movie it was like hey kids, yeah, ummm, get on the floor... The actual part of the 911 recording I have heard was far more intense than this entire film put together was...Eric saying “peekaboo” is chilling / in the movie it was downright conversational!  I feel like this was a ‘good’ movie, but they could’ve done so much more with it...if they would’ve played the library intensity up to the level we have all heard in the actual Nielsen 911 call, it had the potential to be a great movie...all just my opinion...

I have yet to hear Eric saying peekaboo on the 911 call. Does he yell it?

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toggafsyk wrote:

What is your opinion about the Zero Hour Documentary? What did they get wrong? Two things I can think of is that they said that Eric and Dylan were not filmed when they planted the Bombs, and they portraited Eric as the one who planned the attack all by himself and Dylan was just a follower. Correct me if I'm wrong but was it not Dylan who wrote first about getting a gun and going on a killing spree?

Zero Hour S01E03 Massacre at Columbine High

Kind Regards
toggafsyk

I just watched it last night for the first time... I definitely noticed both of the things that you mentioned too.  The only other thing that stood out to me (not a fact that they got wrong, just the way they portrayed it) was I thought the portrayals at some points were just way too mellow as to have been realistic; ie-in the real recording of her 911 call Ms. Nielsen is legit terrified while repeatedly screaming at the kids to get under the tables / in the movie it was like hey kids, yeah, ummm, get on the floor... The actual part of the 911 recording I have heard was far more intense than this entire film put together was...Eric saying “peekaboo” is chilling / in the movie it was downright conversational!  I feel like this was a ‘good’ movie, but they could’ve done so much more with it...if they would’ve played the library intensity up to the level we have all heard in the actual Nielsen 911 call, it had the potential to be a great movie...all just my opinion...

I have yet to hear Eric saying peekaboo on the 911 call. Does he yell it?

It’s definitely loud enough to hear, but I could not pick it out on my own...then I found it to be pretty obvi, when listening to another version w/ with subtitles... it’s more the taunting quality of it, not yelling...
I found it on You Tube b4...If you search something like ‘Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold heard in 911 call, subtitles’, you will find it... be ready tho. It really bothered me the first time I ever heard it- at least I thought it was very intense.

It is said you can make a ticking clock say what you want to with subtitles.

Marianna. The only person to be killed in that audio is Kyle. There is no peekaboo.

Marianna wrote:

It’s definitely loud enough to hear, but I could not pick it out on my own...then I found it to be pretty obvi, when listening to another version w/ with subtitles... it’s more the taunting quality of it, not yelling...
I found it on You Tube b4...If you search something like ‘Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold heard in 911 call, subtitles’, you will find it... be ready tho.  It really bothered me the first time I ever heard it- at least I thought it was very intense.  

Oh no. Don't tell me you saw one of those videos made by a fourteen year old on YouTube where they put random subtitles on the 9/11 recording of what they thought they heard. That is not even remotely accurate. None of those are. Not even the official police one.

Lol I admit, I think I’ve seen them all, official & unofficial, over the years.

I’ve seen zero hour Columbine so many times over the years...

It’s not horrible, it’s not completely accurate from the information we have (but is anything really ever?), but, to be completely honest, at least in my opinion anyway, it’s really not that bad. It tries a bit too hard in places, but there’s nothing wrong with that, either. I think, minus a lot that they would’ve had to have left out for television and time purposes, they tried their absolute best. They didn’t romanticize it. They didn’t “Hollywood BS” it. They just...I’m not really sure exactly what my true problem with it is, but it feels like something is missing.

I love how they got John Savage to speak on it, his experience of getting turned loose. Part of me wouldn’t believe Brooks Brown if his tongue came notarized. The library scene was...a tad bit rushed through, but they got all of the important parts in that they could.

I don’t think Dylan shot Sanders. I KNOW I read somewhere that Eric did.
Maybe I didn’t, but I could about swear I did.

Eric did shoot Mauser...but they glossed over DM kicking the chair at him.

Was it not Eric that shot Tomlin? Or did Zero Hour get that one right?

So...it’s not the most horrible thing in the world, but it’s not the best either.

It’s just kind of there.

I just like that they didn't include some 'do you believe in god' Cassie/Rachel myth tbh.
The actor that plays Eric in this also plays Timothy McVeigh in another episode.

My observations:

-Dylans Tec-9 was semi auto, not full auto

-They did not wear sunglasses, at least thats what I've heard and most believe

-The guns in my opinion except for the double barreled sawed off shotgun do not look like the real guns at all

-The hairstyles, though I guess im just being nit picky

-Im pretty sure some witness statements heard eric or dylan saying "We'll get the guys in the white caps/hats"

-Was it Eric who shot Dave Sanders? I always believed for it to be Dylan but some say Eric did

-Pretty sure Eric and Dylan WERE caught on tape planting the bombs, just the police probably didn't look hard enough?

-Daniel Mauser threw a chair at Eric before being killed, not Eric just walking over and shooting him unprovoked

-If I'm not mistaken, I'm sure Dylan said to Evan Todd "You can kill this fat fuck if you want to" instead of "You can kill him if you want to" (correct me if im wrong I haven't watched the episode in full in like a year)

TheOne99 wrote:

My observations:

-Dylans Tec-9 was semi auto, not full auto

-The guns in my opinion except for the double barreled sawed off shotgun do not look like the real guns at all

The guns in general were very Hollywood-esque in how they were portrayed. Recoil was shown inconsistently, if at all, every bullet was a tracer round (something that's sparse in IRL militaries let alone fucking civilian market weapons), none of the weapons sounded even close to a real gun...I could go on, but you get the gist. I guess it's not too surprising considering how many movies and games regularly fail to depict firearms even close to accurately, but it still really irks me.

Wasn't this made just before the evidence exhibit? and given JeffCo's lock and key blanket around information, it wouldn't surprise me that some stuff concerning weapons etc were wrong.

Subdomine wrote:

Wasn't this made just before the evidence exhibit? and given JeffCo's lock and key blanket around information, it wouldn't surprise me that some stuff concerning weapons etc were wrong.

That's not the problem, the problem is that they get basic facts about firearms totally wrong.

- The guns had no recoil, and only 'Dylan' had tried to recreate it.
- The fact that every single bullet had the same muzzle flash if I remember rightly.
-They never wore sunglasses.
- The fact they barely showed Mauser pushing a chair.

However it was better than most,
ESPECIALLY "I'M NOT ASHAMED".

Screamingophelia wrote:

Marianna wrote:

toggafsyk wrote:

What is your opinion about the Zero Hour Documentary? What did they get wrong? Two things I can think of is that they said that Eric and Dylan were not filmed when they planted the Bombs, and they portraited Eric as the one who planned the attack all by himself and Dylan was just a follower. Correct me if I'm wrong but was it not Dylan who wrote first about getting a gun and going on a killing spree?
Kind Regards
toggafsyk

I just watched it last night for the first time... I definitely noticed both of the things that you mentioned too.  The only other thing that stood out to me (not a fact that they got wrong, just the way they portrayed it) was I thought the portrayals at some points were just way too mellow as to have been realistic; ie-in the real recording of her 911 call Ms. Nielsen is legit terrified while repeatedly screaming at the kids to get under the tables / in the movie it was like hey kids, yeah, ummm, get on the floor... The actual part of the 911 recording I have heard was far more intense than this entire film put together was...Eric saying “peekaboo” is chilling / in the movie it was downright conversational!  I feel like this was a ‘good’ movie, but they could’ve done so much more with it...if they would’ve played the library intensity up to the level we have all heard in the actual Nielsen 911 call, it had the potential to be a great movie...all just my opinion...

I have yet to hear Eric saying peekaboo on the 911 call. Does he yell it?

It's not on the 911 call, but some people think it is.

I dont know much about Columbine,but i watched the Zero-Hour Episode about it. I guess they tried to make it look "realistic", but as far as i know it would be not so easy for Harris to fire his shotgun one-handed. I remember watching the Video where they both Practice shooting,and the sawned-off from Harris had a very big recoil. Besides that,i found it interesting that After he shot this poor girl at close-range (after he said peekabo) he was portrayed as Dizzy. Maybe from his broken Nose ( i guess many of us would had laughed if this wasnt a horrible Situation) or maybe he realised that killing people close-range isnt "fun". I know little about Guns but pointing a shotgun at someone's Head and killing the trigger must cause a mess(hope it doesnt sound disrespectful) Maybe thats why they didnt try to shoot more people After they leave the Library, i guess that they realized what they did,and couldnt kill anymore.

Futility wrote:

I dont know much about Columbine,but i watched the Zero-Hour Episode about it. I guess they tried to make it look "realistic", but as far as i know it would be not so easy for Harris to fire his shotgun one-handed. I remember watching the Video where they both Practice shooting,and the sawned-off from Harris had a very big recoil. Besides that,i found it interesting that After he shot this poor girl at close-range (after he said peekabo) he was portrayed as Dizzy. Maybe from his broken Nose ( i guess many of us would had laughed if this wasnt a horrible Situation) or maybe he realised that killing people close-range isnt "fun". I know little about Guns but pointing a shotgun at someone's Head and killing the trigger must cause a mess(hope it doesnt sound disrespectful) Maybe thats why they didnt try to shoot more people After they leave the Library, i guess that they realized what they did,and couldnt kill anymore.

He had already shot two people close range with the shotgun, and it is surely for the nose (which we know bled, but we can't say we know if he broke it)  that he is being described by Bree as woozy right after shooting Cassie.

Also this is just anecdotal but with bloody hits to the nose I usually find there's initial pain but not much real soreness until the day after or so, perhaps from the adrenaline, which murdering would have probably given them even more.

You're right to wonder why they stop shooting. All of those you mention: Eric's nose, somehow, or not liking shooting anymore, or "realizing what they did" are given as reasons to resolve that issue found on the internet. But it seems to me those only stress the problem. The majority of the massacre happens after Eric's nose. He seems well enough on the CCTV. What could that have to do with it? They obviously liked it and realized what they were doing, to deny both of those is just to use a gap in the story to absolve them of guilt.

The problem it seems to me is that given the story as told to you, one assumes both bombs were set for 11:17, which it seems to me somewhat makes it weird to have two main bombs in the first place. Just make one larger one if they're going off at the same time anyway.  I have several other reasons to doubt that I can bore everyone with. But just to focus on the library massacre - Eric and Dylan both made comments about everybody dying from a bomb, which would make no sense if both had failed at 11:17. When Eric is talking to Bree after shooting Cassie, he doesn't shoot her because, he says, everybody is going to die anyway when they blow up the school. But on the usual story they know their bombs have failed and to kill everybody in the library would mean to shoot them. Already I have enough to abandon the 11:17 assumption.

But let's pretend Eric's bloody nose was a lobotomy. Well, Dylan tells John to run, which again makes no sense unless he's running from a bomb. Others who didnt run from the library survived because they weren't shot, obviously. So why did John need to run? Several witnesses mention Dylan telling John it was because a bomb was about to take out the library. Dylan also tells Evan he is going to live, not that he needs to run, but he will live because Dylan won't shoot him. That's a significant difference from what Dylan told John. Then they leave to go check on the bomb.

And that's why they stopped shooting on this theory. To go leave and check on the second of the two bombs, because it had just failed, set for 11:35, when Corey is the last to die and a minute before they leave to check. After told Dylan John to run or get blown up, but before he told Evan he will live if he isn't shot. And that's all they did. Leave to check on the bomb. One, not the other. This theory is much simpler. No one needs to posit any invisible mental state or make Eric's nose bleed a lobotomy or pretend they felt remorse.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thank you for this Explenation. Yes,if they hoped that they bombs will explode it makes a lot of sense that the two are more focused about the bombs than shooting at people. Wonder what went trough their minds.

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thank you for this Explenation. Yes,if they hoped that they bombs will explode it makes a lot of sense that the two are more focused about the bombs than shooting at people. Wonder what went trough their minds.

I suspect the reason they were shooting people in the library despite a bomb was about to go off and kill everyone is because they thought that would make police rush in and die with the ensuing explosion. Their plan called for killing cops somehow, everybody thought cops would enter - this would explain why they didn't, and it would be the most casualties they could get out of the library.  Once that second bomb fails at 11:35, shooting more students becomes pointless, and I suspect they were looking for police when they wander the school.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thats something i didnt concider. I thought that they "just" wandered arround because they didnt know what to do.

'Everyone with white hats get up'. Yeah, they said that, but they also told everyone to stand up. They left this out


'Eric and Dylan finds themselves at the bottom of the pile'.

Pretty sure thats either taken from Ralph Larkin, Brooks Brown or other journalists/ sources that have pushed this narrative. Or the gunmens own words, which is hardly reliable. Dylan probably felt this more than what is the actual truth. But they werent really that upopular as people have made them out to be. Atleast, thats not the picture I have. I have an image of them as both well liked and respected but also disliked by others. Of course, Ive never been there, so I can't say any of this for sure.

But I believe that the answer is somewhere between the jocks status and the bottom of the social hierarchy. Meaning; they werent at the top, but they werent at the bottom, either. Based on my own research, it seems like they found themselves somewhere in- between.

Also, the death of Isaiah: They did use racial slurs, like in the documentary. But at the same time, Isaiah supposedly said 'I wanna se my mom'. The only reference I have is Craig Scott, though, so I cannot verify that others have Said the same thing.

Evan Todd and the white hat. Didnt Evan Todd pull hes cap away from underneath the table? Cause in the documentary hes wearing the baseball cap.


I gather every documentary will have holes in them, though. But I think they did the potrayal as accurately as possible. For instance, the one with 'Do you believe in God'. Given that it wasnt attributed to Cassie Bernall, but another student( I think that was Valeen Shnurr).
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Norwegian wrote:

'Everyone with white hats get up'. Yeah, they said that, but they also told everyone to stand up. They left this out

No they didn't. When they enter the library the actor portraying Eric clearly says "get up!".

Norwegian wrote:

Or the gunmens own words, which is hardly reliable.

What? We're supposed to disregard what they said for...no reason?

QuestionMark wrote:

Norwegian wrote:

'Everyone with white hats get up'. Yeah, they said that, but they also told everyone to stand up. They left this out

No they didn't. When they enter the library the actor portraying Eric clearly says "get up!".

Norwegian wrote:

Or the gunmens own words, which is hardly reliable.

What? We're supposed to disregard what they said for...no reason?

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He says 'Get up', whereas, not 'everyone get up'. According to the audio- tape that I found on YouTube, he said 'Everybody get up,' and than 'get up' They do, however, mention that he also told everyone to stand up. Just, its not that I forgot.


Not necessarily dismiss it, but dont take it at face Value I think is a good idea. Atleast not when it comes to Eric, because he contradicts himselves several times.

They had their positions after suicide wrong, the actors emulated the picture of their suicide taken after they had been checked for bombs.

Norwegian wrote:

He says 'Get up', whereas, not 'everyone get up'.

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Norwegian wrote:

According to the audio- tape that I found on YouTube,

Let me stop you right there. The audio of the library call is largely inaudible. I certainly couldn't hear much from it. Thus anyone can hear what they want, and any transcripts could end up varying wildly.

Norwegian wrote:

Not necessarily dismiss it, but dont take it at face Value I think is a good idea. Atleast not when it comes to Eric, because he contradicts himselves several times.

I think if he says "I'm being picked on" - not phrased that way exactly, but still saying the same thing - then why should I not take that statement at face value? What about that says I shouldn't assume he means it when he says it?

QuestionMark wrote:

Norwegian wrote:

He says 'Get up', whereas, not 'everyone get up'.

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Norwegian wrote:

According to the audio- tape that I found on YouTube,

Let me stop you right there. The audio of the library call is largely inaudible. I certainly couldn't hear much from it. Thus anyone can hear what they want, and any transcripts could end up varying wildly.

Norwegian wrote:

Not necessarily dismiss it, but dont take it at face Value I think is a good idea. Atleast not when it comes to Eric, because he contradicts himselves several times.

I think if he says "I'm being picked on" - not phrased that way exactly, but still saying the same thing - then why should I not take that statement at face value? What about that says I shouldn't assume he means it when he says it?

Not exactly so. Its hard, but it's not impossible.


Where does he do that? The only two references Im aware off is

1: He says he has to move around and be the at the bottom of the social chain. Yet, this is extremely interesting, because in other writings he says something entirely different

2: 'You girls had my phone number. I asked and all. But dont let the weird looking Eric KID come along'.

So, Eric and girls. What else do we know about Eric and girls? For one, he dated. But he also had a number of setbacks. How did Eric treat girls? In a nice way? No, he was downright mean to many of them. Langmann elaborates on this in 'The search for truth at Columbine'. He was horrible to girls that had turned him down. Not only that, but he also alienated a number of other students. So, again, this is where context matters


'Everyone makes fun of how fucking weak I am' and 'I get you back for this'. This is the only reference where downright states that he was bullied/ made fun of. Which is confirmed by some other students(Yet others also claimed that they did not see Eric or Dylan bullied at all)

Norwegian wrote:

Where does he do that? The only two references Im aware off is

1: He says he has to move around and be the at the bottom of the social chain. Yet, this is extremely interesting, because in other writings he says something entirely different

2: 'You girls had my phone number. I asked and all. But dont let the weird looking Eric KID come along'.

Well, perhaps I don't need to look far to see the answer.

Norwegian wrote:

'Everyone makes fun of how fucking weak I am'  and 'I get you back for this'.

So really it was three times, technically four since he shared the sentiments you mentioned twice.

QuestionMark wrote:

Norwegian wrote:

Where does he do that? The only two references Im aware off is

1: He says he has to move around and be the at the bottom of the social chain. Yet, this is extremely interesting, because in other writings he says something entirely different

2: 'You girls had my phone number. I asked and all. But dont let the weird looking Eric KID come along'.

Well, perhaps I don't need to look far to see the answer.

Norwegian wrote:

'Everyone makes fun of how fucking weak I am'  and 'I get you back for this'.

So really it was three times, technically four since he shared the sentiments you mentioned twice.

Again, context. Dont just look to one sentence. Think about how people do history lessions, and we know that history has to be interpreted. Anything else would be confirmation bias