White Supremacist Gets Life For Buffalo Massacre

BUFFALO, N.Y. — A white supremacist who killed 10 Black people at a Buffalo supermarket (May 14, 2022) was today sentenced to life in prison without parole.

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So no trial?

*throws phone on ground, breaks skateboard*

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I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

Exactly, and it would just be fun to fuck around in a courtroom. Bundy and Ramirez could do it, idk why Gendron can't scratch

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ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

either Payton was more suicidal than extremist, so I'm not surprised he doesn't want a trial, because I personally see him very sorry, maybe not for his victims but for himself

The fact that all the evidence and ideas where he explained why blacks and other ethnic groups were an invasion in his manifestó have been directly a copy and paste of the tarrant manifesto shows That he was not very radical

ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

I assume in most cases its manipulation by the attorneys or something. I don't know if this was true to life but I remember watching in Manhunt: Unabomber how railroaded Ted was into pleading guilty, I don't think it's inconceivable, especially given the level of disdain towards rampage killers exists, that this may be true of other cases.

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ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

If Martin Bryant went to trial it would have been entertaining. Very Happy

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NEXT STEP UP wrote:: So no trial?

*throws phone on ground, breaks skateboard*

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ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

Fucking hell, if he wanted, I could've ghostwritten a white power speech for his ass if he pleaded not-guilty.

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Poor Payton. I genuinely feel bad for him, it would've been better if he just killed himself and he wouldn't have to deal with this.

I think he was more suicidal teenager with mental illness than real white supremacist.

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I'm surprised he didn't get the death penalty. I know New York has no death penalty, but couldn't he get sentenced on the federal level? Idk how that works. But, I remember the discourse on /pol/ about this kid after he committed the massacre. "WHY DIDN'T HE JUST HAVE A huWHITE FAMILY??? HE'S A FED!!"
As if this guy was going to have kids lol... It was over before it even started.

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Samson wrote:: Poor Payton. I genuinely feel bad for him, it would've been better if he just killed himself and he wouldn't have to deal with this.

He even cried during the victim impact statements.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I wonder what the victim impact statements were, I haven't heard them yet. Same old, same old?

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NEXT STEP UP wrote:

normalface wrote:

Samson wrote:: Poor Payton. I genuinely feel bad for him, it would've been better if he just killed himself and he wouldn't have to deal with this.

He even cried during the victim impact statements.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I wonder what the victim impact statements were, I haven't heard them yet. Same old, same old?

I actually haven't heard them yet, either. In all honesty, I usually don't care to learn much about the victims of rampage killers. The victims are normal, uninteresting people who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is the perpetrators who fascinate.

Me neither. I think most people care because they're guilt-tripped into caring.

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Samson wrote:: Poor Payton. I genuinely feel bad for him, it would've been better if he just killed himself and he wouldn't have to deal with this.

He even cried during the victim impact statements.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

transcendentalauracel331 wrote:: I'm surprised he didn't get the death penalty. I know New York has no death penalty, but couldn't he get sentenced on the federal level? Idk how that works. But, I remember the discourse on /pol/ about this kid after he committed the massacre. "WHY DIDN'T HE JUST HAVE A huWHITE FAMILY??? HE'S A FED!!"
As if this guy was going to have kids lol... It was over before it even started.

What do you mean? He looks like an average white kid to me. He could have had kids. Also, if he wasn't 18 he would have been sent to death row. No doubt about it, lol.

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normalface wrote:

Samson wrote:: Poor Payton. I genuinely feel bad for him, it would've been better if he just killed himself and he wouldn't have to deal with this.

He even cried during the victim impact statements.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I wonder what the victim impact statements were, I haven't heard them yet. Same old, same old?

The only interesting one to me was the one at the beginning. He talked to him like he was a kid and sounded disappointed in him. Someone also tried to rush him.

Kamikaze Tactics wrote:: What do you mean? He looks like an average white kid to me. He could have had kids. Also, if he wasn't 18 he would have been sent to death row. No doubt about it, lol.

I don't think he looks average, I think he has a neckbeard phenotype. Maybe if he also wasn't dysfunctional something could've worked out, but there was just too much wrong with him.

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Kamikaze Tactics wrote:: What do you mean? He looks like an average white kid to me. He could have had kids. Also, if he wasn't 18 he would have been sent to death row. No doubt about it, lol.

I don't think he looks average, I think he has a neckbeard phenotype. Maybe if he also wasn't dysfunctional something could've worked out, but there was just too much wrong with him.

Yeah, he does have that phenotype a bit now that you say it, lol. But then again Nik Cruz had a gf so no excuses, lol.

Saoradh wrote:: BUFFALO, N.Y. — A white supremacist who killed 10 Black people at a Buffalo supermarket (May 14, 2022) was today sentenced to life in prison without parole.

I don't get it. Why he decided to give up to police instead of suicide? At the end of the shooting he should've known that there is no way he will live any day more as a free man.

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Saoradh wrote:: BUFFALO, N.Y. — A white supremacist who killed 10 Black people at a Buffalo supermarket (May 14, 2022) was today sentenced to life in prison without parole.

I don't get it. Why he decided to give up to police instead of suicide? At the end of the shooting he should've known that there is no way he will live any day more as a free man.

Maybe he was afraid of death.

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05.29.2023

Here's a link to the unedited livestream from his shooting.

Buffalo Shooters Unedited Livestream Video

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05.29.2023

Here's a link to the unedited livestream from his shooting.

Buffalo Shooters Unedited Livestream Video

Thanks!

ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

exactly, Brenton Tarrant knew how to do it Peyton should have been like Brenton just trolling the whole time

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ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

exactly, Brenton Tarrant knew how to do it Peyton should have been like Brenton just trolling the whole time

>Peyton

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Ghost_Of_Pekka wrote:

ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

exactly, Brenton Tarrant knew how to do it Peyton should have been like Brenton just trolling the whole time

>Peyton

"Look guys he got one letter wrong gee I sure hope someone fired for that blunder"

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Sturmengel wrote:

Ghost_Of_Pekka wrote:

ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

exactly, Brenton Tarrant knew how to do it Peyton should have been like Brenton just trolling the whole time

>Peyton

"Look guys he got one letter wrong gee I sure hope someone fired for that blunder"

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Don't spell it wrong then. And it's spelled Paitn

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Ghost_Of_Pekka wrote:

Sturmengel wrote:

Ghost_Of_Pekka wrote:

ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

exactly, Brenton Tarrant knew how to do it Peyton should have been like Brenton just trolling the whole time

>Peyton

"Look guys he got one letter wrong gee I sure hope someone fired for that blunder"

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Don't spell it wrong then. And it's spelled Paitn

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Sturmengel wrote:

Ghost_Of_Pekka wrote:

ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

exactly, Brenton Tarrant knew how to do it Peyton should have been like Brenton just trolling the whole time

>Peyton

"Look guys he got one letter wrong gee I sure hope someone fired for that blunder"

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Sturmengel wrote:

Ghost_Of_Pekka wrote:

Sturmengel wrote:

Ghost_Of_Pekka wrote:

ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

exactly, Brenton Tarrant knew how to do it Peyton should have been like Brenton just trolling the whole time

>Peyton

"Look guys he got one letter wrong gee I sure hope someone fired for that blunder"

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Don't spell it wrong then. And it's spelled Paitn

kill yourself

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ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty. If there's a plea deal where the possibility of walking free one day is plausible, then sure BUT if you are guaranteed to get the death penalty/life with no parole: then why not have some fun before you're locked inside a cell to rot? A trial would be one hell of an experience. For ideological shooters like Payton, pleading not guilty to state and/or federal charges would be better because it generates news coverage and gets more people to look at the case which in turn will lead to a number of people adopting the ideology and beliefs. It's a no brainer really.

exactly, Brenton Tarrant knew how to do it Peyton should have been like Brenton just trolling the whole time

>Peyton

You can also spell it as Patton, Penis, Poopbutt, and simply the letter P

Our favorite subreddit has given us some more Payton G content.

Here he is doing the kalinka dance [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty.

I can only suspect that there was a more informal deal being made.:
"Hey, you can plead guilty and we will put you in a decent prison and keep you safe. Or you can go to trial, but then we will put you in a place with very violent offenders who will do horrible, terrible things to you".

That's how I think it went down. The criminals are not the only ones who know how to play rough, the US jsutice system does too.

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NEXT STEP UP wrote:: Our favorite subreddit has given us some more Payton G content.

Here he is doing the kalinka dance [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Right after the shooting happened that video was spread around a little but then got buried quickly, it technically isn't really new but to most people it is.

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ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty.

I can only suspect that there was a more informal deal being made.:
"Hey, you can plead guilty and we will put you in a decent prison and keep you safe. Or you can go to trial, but then we will put you in a place with very violent offenders who will do horrible, terrible things to you".

That's how I think it went down. The criminals are not the only ones who know how to play rough, the US jsutice system does too.

It really varies. Some people who are convicted of high profile crimes can still be placed in safer prisons instead of dangerous ones, and even if you do go to a more dangerous prison you can still ask to be placed in protective custody. Generally speaking you want the (in)famous inmates to be at least moderately protected because if they get assaulted (or worse, killed) it would make bad publicity for the prison, will lead to internal investigations, and opens the agency up for a lawsuit for negligence if the inmate in question or their family wants to pursue litigation.

Also a prison can be "safe" at one point in time then degenerate into a bad/dangerous one and vice versa depending on what kind of administration is in place, so even if Payton is placed in a good facility there's no guarantee it will remain that way.

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Sabratha wrote:

ANOMIC wrote:: I don't get why most of these shooters plead guilty.

I can only suspect that there was a more informal deal being made.:
"Hey, you can plead guilty and we will put you in a decent prison and keep you safe. Or you can go to trial, but then we will put you in a place with very violent offenders who will do horrible, terrible things to you".

That's how I think it went down. The criminals are not the only ones who know how to play rough, the US jsutice system does too.

It really varies. Some people who are convicted of high profile crimes can still be placed in safer prisons instead of dangerous ones, and even if you do go to a more dangerous prison you can still ask to be placed in protective custody. Generally speaking you want the (in)famous inmates to be at least moderately protected because if they get assaulted (or worse, killed) it would make bad publicity for the prison, will lead to internal investigations, and opens the agency up for a lawsuit for negligence if the inmate in question or their family wants to pursue litigation.

Also a prison can be "safe" at one point in time then degenerate into a bad/dangerous one and vice versa depending on what kind of administration is in place, so even if Payton is placed in a good facility there's no guarantee it will remain that way.

True. I mean look at the Danny Masterson prison story as an illustration.

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