Columbine and the Subnet

Curious if anyone here has ever done research for closed documents etc within the subnet aka deep web, that relate to Columbine, I'd imagine there's probably some stuff out there especially from the time it happened but lost, been meaning to do this myself but the idea of stumbling upon child porn puts me off, anybody here ever had a look?

I think there probably is, simply for the fact that there is a lot of law enforcement stuff that ends up being visible online to the person who is willing to look. I think if you had some kind of very robust search engine, something that could do advanced Boolean searches, as well as a ton of patience, you could probably find something cool. You can do boolean searches with google as well, it's just something I've only scratched the surface of.

What you would end up seeing is indexed stuff that doesn't necessarily have a link to it. Also, lots of password protected sites as well. I think if you pulled some of the file names, or document and picture names, you could used those to get you going in the right direction. Most likely, those would be stored in the same place as the more unseen stuff.

I wouldn't worry about child porn too much. From what I've read, you have to deliberately go looking for it even on the dark web. 4chan, on the other hand, has it all over from what I've heard.

We had a discussion about this a few years back when the board first opened. Some forum members were speculating that perhaps the Basement Tapes might be on the deep web. My boyfriend and I watched this video on Youtube a year or so ago where this guy went into the deep web and like [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] said there is a lot of disturbing things on the deep web. From what I understand you do have to actually click into the links to see it. Pictures don't just show up when you enter the deep web. Personally, I would never go there but there might be some interesting Columbine stuff somewhere on the deep web.

If anyone is ever interested go to Youtube and check out the video. It walks you through how to get onto the deep web and how to browse for things.

I'll check the video out.

There is a sort of distinction between the "deep web" and the "dark web". The deep web is basically just the larger part of the world wide web that doesn't usually show up on search indexes. The dark web is the place where people find guns, drugs and child pornography.

There were a couple of really good search engines for looking up archived documents and stuff on the deep web, but they've closed as recently as 2014. You don't necessarily need the TOR to see it. TOR is more for anonymity in what you look at to persons who might be watching you.

I was thinking about this today actually. I'm not sure if the actual data would be easy to find directly, but I'm fairly certain that there are shady individuals with access to these things that might share them. The Basement Tapes, library photos, etc could be just a few messages to the right people away. I've been meaning to give it a try, myself.

I would be careful. There was a story awhile back about a protester who gained access to JEFFCO's servers. I think it was in 2012 or 2013. Naturally, they threw the book at him.

While I can't comment on or condone illegal activity, I can say that a lot of corporations and LE websites have secure portals for stuff like FTP remote desktop etc. Those would be the weak points where you might want to start poking around. Also, just because somebody accidentally put it up online doesn't mean it's not illegal to see it or possess it. Just make sure your behind at least, like, seven proxies : )

y'all would be surprised by how easy it is to access the deep web.
however,in that public know deep web,theres nothing really illegal that you wont find on the surface.
the 'deeper' web(aka Marianas Trench) can host some lost footage,like BT,but imo,since they were destroyed and the only probably existing copies might be in some Jeffco cop's closet,I doubt we will find something there.

I agree on both points. There is a lot of forgotten stuff on the deep web, but Columbine happened in that little sliver of human history where we had internet, but no high speed data and large capacity removable media(thumb drives, etc) I think they're still out there, but they're gonna be physical media.

I do think you could find the other leaked crime scene photos, though. Not to mention some of the many things that people put on the net, but then forgot about. The holy grail would be the lost DOOM levels.

Jenn wrote:

We had a discussion about this a few years back when the board first opened. Some forum members were speculating that perhaps the Basement Tapes might be on the deep web. My boyfriend and I watched this video on Youtube a year or so ago where this guy went into the deep web and like [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] said there is a lot of disturbing things on the deep web. From what I understand you do have to actually click into the links to see it. Pictures don't just show up when you enter the deep web. Personally, I would never go there but there might be some interesting Columbine stuff somewhere on the deep web.

If anyone is ever interested go to Youtube and check out the video. It walks you through how to get onto the deep web and how to browse for things.

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It really surprises me that the leaked library photos haven't been posted on any website yet. When you read news stories about the leaks everybody says that it's just a matter of time til they find their way to the Net, but here we are 13 years later…

Yeah, I've always wondered that too. It makes me think that there might still be a few of them floating around the area. They might have found there way into the archives at the Denver Public library. One journalist that I spoke to said the everything from the Rocky Mountain News regarding Columbine went there.

Here's a stupid thought; We put up an ad in the local Craigslist asking for the pictures. Sure, you'd get a lot of hate mail and trolls, but you still might net a valid lead. Not to mention, it prevents directly contacting victims and their families.

That is actually a great idea to post on CL. Shit I might just do that use a fake email account to catch everything.

I've heard from people who have claimed to have viewed the library photos on the deep web. As for the rocky mountain news archives, I never thought to really look there.

I don't think you would find anything gory in the RMN archives, but I'm not sure. When I spoke to the journalist, I specifically was looking for more pictures from the night of the shooting. I think the true crime scene photos would be a different story.

As curious as I may be, I don't know that I want to see them. I was sad enough seeing Rachel and Danny at a distance. I don't know that I could handle the true crime scene photos.

Though, it would be interesting to go through the archives and just reread history and see what all was going on. I was 9 at the time, my memory of the event amounts to basically this: "This is why we send you to Christian school, Selah"/This girl said yes when asked if she believed in God"/WPXI in Pittsburgh calling it Littleton High School instead of Columbine High School.

I remember that everyone was calling it Littleton at first.

Interestingly enough, Reverend Marxhausen(Klebold's minister) complained that Columbine isn't really a community. It's just a suburban conglomeration of houses with no real town center, main street etc.

I would be okay with seeing the pictures mainly because they're as much a part of history as they are traumatizing. I don't like how people tend to use the library suicide photo of Dylan And Eric as a sort of artistic take on martyrdom. If the Tumblr fan girls were to see what a 12 gauge shotgun does to a high school girl's face or shoulder, then maybe they would stop fantasizing about how hot and rebellious these two were.

radaddio wrote:

I would be okay with seeing the pictures mainly because they're as much a part of history as they are traumatizing. I don't like how people tend to use the library suicide photo of Dylan And Eric as a sort of artistic take on martyrdom. If the Tumblr fan girls were to see what a 12 gauge shotgun does to a high school girl's face or shoulder, then maybe they would stop fantasizing about how hot and rebellious these two were.

This. Thank you for articulating my thoughts.

Yeah GSWs can be messy. It would also show that they did it, and were loling about it. They had front row seats to that.... Then again it might explain why they were just shooting under the tables randomly (so they didn't have to see it)... But then again didn't they shoot Dan M point blank in the face?

Yeah, I think Mauser was the one who pushed a chair out at Dylan and got shot close range the second time. Altogether though, most of their targets were a mix of anger/opportunity. Judging by how Eric got hit in the nose by his shotgun, I think he would have been in a crouching position enough to see the aftermath of his shot.

That's not even mentioning the smell. Blood tends to emit a rather noticeable scent, as well as everything else that was probably leaking from the bodies. They would have been overcome by it the second time they went into the library to kill themselves.

Yeah the copper smell of blood, I'm sure some voided too gut shots smell badly too. I read something somewhere (i'll find it in a bit) about someone who supposedly went into the library after all the bodies were removed (Within a week I think) and saw a for lack of better word, a turd on the floor.

Here's the skinny. My beloved mother works at Columbine highschool (where I graduated in '87). On 20 Apr 99 at approximately 11:15am she went into the library to look for her boss (an un-named computer teaher). Hell broke loose. She hid in a magazine locker adjasent (sp) to the library. Four hours later, the SWAT team led her to safety.

Now click ahead... My beloved mom is going through some serious fucking counseling. Complete with lots of cool drugs (that I steal on a regular basis!) Her trauma counselor thinks that it might be a good idea if someone in the family visits the site where everything happened.

My father declines. It is a little too much for him. My mom asks me. "Sure, I'll go!" I answer, not knowing what's in store fore me.

Here we go.

Enter Columbine HS at the north entrance -by the old auto shop building. Sign in -me, my mom and brother, her counselor, three firefighters, six admin officials, and two cops. (we had to sign our names so they knew we
were there).

Walk down the halls. Cop lets us know where everyone met the wrath of Eric and Dylan. There are bullet holes in the hall thresholds. Pretty fuckin cool I think. I touch them. 9mm slugs leave a nice sized hole.

We go into the library. This is really fuckin strange. All the interior windows have black butcher-block paper covering them. Can't see in or out.. Enter the room. Gotta sign a statement saying we won't go to the media etc... (This, I thought was pretty cool. Aimee Sporer* would cum in her panties to be in this room. I got to go in simply cuz I was a sprog of a survivor. )*Aimee Sporer is the extremely cute albeit married and motherly newscaster of our local channel four news.

Enter the room. First thing that grabs my attention is the carpet. It looks like its burned in spots. Closer examination realizes that its not burned. Its blood. Nine mm rifles and shotguns do a fucking good job of draining bodies. It was all underneath tables. Most of the kids died as they were hiding under tables. Granted, it had been 6+ weeks since the massacre, the blood was still very visable. (I guess bloood doesn't evaporate). Here's the wierd part: The blood was so thick that you could scrape it up with a putty knife. It was like dried up clay on the carpet (Sorry secret santa wishers, I didn't grab any samples). One kid who died had his *brains* blown onto the carpet. This nearly caused me to lose my lunch. But as a good A.T'er, I held it in. Picture a spot about as large as a frisbee. Turn it greyish-brown. Add cracks due to drying. Fucking brains. But what really had me was the presence of a fucking *turd* on the floor. I pointed it out to the investigator and asked, "what is that???" He replied, "Feces" Apparently, one girl shit on the floor as Eric and Dylan went about their mayhem.

Good ole' Cassie (she said yes) Bernall was reading the fucking newspaper when she bought it. It was opened up to page 16 and had her blood on it. Actually, there was blood everywhere. It was on the books, floor, periodicles, etc...

Go to the east part of the library. Eric and Dylan wisely decided to end it here. OK, most of the investigators believe Eric shot Dylan. When the report comes out, this claim will likely be substatiated. Now I have shot many high powered rifles in my age. I never knew that ballistics can be so messy. Eric put a gun to his mouth and literally blew his brains all over the ceiling. I mean *all over* there is a spot where him and Dylan died. Above that spot is a streak of blood that coats the white, styrafoam ceiling panels where they died.

Spent an hour and 1/2 in the library with the cops. Saw shit I never hope to see again. When I went into work later that day, I was in a fuck of a bad mood.

p.s. Collected some broken glass from the library. Put it in jar and took it to the local watering hole. Man, some fuckers have no sence of humor..."

And they got the "Rachel Scott" BS photo. Nothing anybody hasn't seen here before on that page but here is the link.


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Hahahahaha..... After posting that last post, I googled just the first line of it..... It has been posted here before too

It's still interesting to read. It really narrows down who this person could be, since there weren't that many teachers hiding in that area.

I remember reading that. It was offered on a cd by acolumbinesite.com, along with that supposed photo of Rachel Scott (Really Rachel Corrie, a Palestinian activist).

Ivan wrote:

Jenn wrote:

We had a discussion about this a few years back when the board first opened. Some forum members were speculating that perhaps the Basement Tapes might be on the deep web. My boyfriend and I watched this video on Youtube a year or so ago where this guy went into the deep web and like [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] said there is a lot of disturbing things on the deep web. From what I understand you do have to actually click into the links to see it. Pictures don't just show up when you enter the deep web. Personally, I would never go there but there might be some interesting Columbine stuff somewhere on the deep web.

If anyone is ever interested go to Youtube and check out the video. It walks you through how to get onto the deep web and how to browse for things.

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No, neither one of these is the one I'm talking about. Don't you remember the video we watched on Youtube where the guy with the southern accent showed us how to get onto the deep web? Maybe it's not on Youtube anymore. It was awhile ago that we watched it. If you come across it again, post that one too. I thought that one was pretty good. I mean his instructions on what to do and so on.

Jenn wrote:

Ivan wrote:

Jenn wrote:

We had a discussion about this a few years back when the board first opened. Some forum members were speculating that perhaps the Basement Tapes might be on the deep web. My boyfriend and I watched this video on Youtube a year or so ago where this guy went into the deep web and like [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] said there is a lot of disturbing things on the deep web. From what I understand you do have to actually click into the links to see it. Pictures don't just show up when you enter the deep web. Personally, I would never go there but there might be some interesting Columbine stuff somewhere on the deep web.

If anyone is ever interested go to Youtube and check out the video. It walks you through how to get onto the deep web and how to browse for things.

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Also:

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No, neither one of these is the one I'm talking about. Don't you remember the video we watched on Youtube where the guy with the southern accent showed us how to get onto the deep web? Maybe it's not on Youtube anymore. It was awhile ago that we watched it. If you come across it again, post that one too. I thought that one was pretty good. I mean his instructions on what to do and so on.

I don't think it's on Youtube anymore, unfortunately.

I downloaded a book awhile back that deals with getting onto the "invisible web". It was , more or less, a treatise on accessing everything hardware related like web servers, cams, electro-mechanical switches co locations centers and a whole host of other things that commonly get left accessible to the web and then forgotten about. It was released by the FBI, back when they didn't really understand the power of the book's contents.

That's a different thing than the "dark web", but kind of still in the same vein that indicates the huge chunk of the internet that no one really sees.

deathmedic wrote:

Yeah the copper smell of blood, I'm sure some voided too gut shots smell badly too. I read something somewhere (i'll find it in a bit) about someone who supposedly went into the library after all the bodies were removed (Within a week I think) and saw a for lack of better word, a turd on the floor.

When I read that before I thought maybe Eric or Dylan themselves crapped in there to further shock/disgust whoever was nearby, but the person who originally wrote about it said it was "some girl." Still, those two boys went nuts and it wouldn't surprise me if it had been one of them.

Postmortem, the body tends to lose control of bowel and bladder retention. It has been shown that extreme trauma and shock will do this to people sometimes as well.

I don't see E/D pausing during the action to lay cable. But, you never know.

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Postmortem, the body tends to lose control of bowel and bladder retention. It has been shown that extreme trauma and shock will do this to people sometimes as well.

I don't see E/D pausing during the action to lay cable. But, you never know.

Come to think of it I don't think it was one of them either, at least not while there were a lot of people in there - that would have gotten around after the shooting if people had seen one of them do it, just like how people talked about them climbing on furniture/shelves and screaming and swearing. It had to have been someone who was conscious enough to undress though, since otherwise it may have stayed under clothing (i.e. I don't think it was someone who did it suddenly or while unconscious.)

Jeez, the shit (literally!) I get talking about on here.

WendlaBergman wrote:

radaddio wrote:

Postmortem, the body tends to lose control of bowel and bladder retention. It has been shown that extreme trauma and shock will do this to people sometimes as well.

I don't see E/D pausing during the action to lay cable. But, you never know.

Come to think of it I don't think it was one of them either, at least not while there were a lot of people in there - that would have gotten around after the shooting if people had seen one of them do it, just like how people talked about them climbing on furniture/shelves and screaming and swearing. It had to have been someone who was conscious enough to undress though, since otherwise it may have stayed under clothing (i.e. I don't think it was someone who did it suddenly or while unconscious.)

Jeez, the shit (literally!) I get talking about on here.

Yep. Now we're embroiled in a conversation about a lone turd among all that death and chaos.

I agree that whomever did the deed would have had to undress or expose themselves to some extent to do the number 2. Perhaps it was from one of the other survivors who were hiding in there? If you really had to go right before the shooting, imagine how badly you would have to go while waiting for the SWAT team to finally clear the library? Was there anyone in there alive when SWAT came through? I recall that some staff were hiding in cabinets and such for a long time.

radaddio wrote:

WendlaBergman wrote:

radaddio wrote:

Postmortem, the body tends to lose control of bowel and bladder retention. It has been shown that extreme trauma and shock will do this to people sometimes as well.

I don't see E/D pausing during the action to lay cable. But, you never know.

Come to think of it I don't think it was one of them either, at least not while there were a lot of people in there - that would have gotten around after the shooting if people had seen one of them do it, just like how people talked about them climbing on furniture/shelves and screaming and swearing. It had to have been someone who was conscious enough to undress though, since otherwise it may have stayed under clothing (i.e. I don't think it was someone who did it suddenly or while unconscious.)

Jeez, the shit (literally!) I get talking about on here.

Yep. Now we're embroiled in a conversation about a lone turd among all that death and chaos.

I agree that whomever did the deed would have had to undress or expose themselves to some extent to do the number 2. Perhaps it was from one of the other survivors who were hiding in there? If you really had to go right before the shooting, imagine how badly you would have to go while waiting for the SWAT team to finally clear the library? Was there anyone in there alive when SWAT came through? I recall that some staff were hiding in cabinets and such for a long time.

Just Craig Scott and Lisa Kreutz.

When SWAT finally got to the Library around 3:30pm:

Lisa Kreutz was still alive under Table 2.

Patti was still hiding in a cupboard in the kitchen.

Lois Kean and Carole Weld were hiding under a counter/desk in the RNN room.

It looks like Lisa was in no shape to move at all, so I don't think it was her.

Well... It COULD have been someone who was in there... Some women don't wear panties so if someone wasn't wearing them it could have been done.

Didn't someone recall they heard one of the boys laughing and saying "Oh, that's gross!" about something? Though I think general consensus about that was that they saw someone get a postmortem erection.

I remember that too. I didn't know those set in so fast.

I thin kthe line you are meaning is "Oh man look at his dick" There is a few threads on this in here along with Amanda confirming she heard something similar but is not 100% sure if thats what she heard.

True, they may have just been referring to any of the other gory things that would have occurred from their shots.

Would be awesome if someone actually found the basement tapes and posted them... I need to start searching for them.

Just for the sake of information,
this person's account was researched extensively in the past and found to be false.

Are you referring to the guy who was toured through the library? If so, that's a bummer.

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Yes, that is what I'm referring to.
It was researched deeply on the old board and it was determined the account was false because the person he claimed was his Mom had no kids or had no kids as old as this person was.
You might ask someone from the old board like LPorter and he might remember this.

Ugh, that's too bad. In all, it was a very believable story.

I think it's been mentioned, but since the event occurred in the awkward years between the internet being mainstreamed, it's possible anything stored digitally was only done on local devices or networks and never made it to the internet. With the tapes and other intel being handled by government agencies, they'd be extremely sluggish to adopt new technology anyway.

One thing I'm interested in is old chat logs, forum postings, Eric's old website, and that sort of thing in the deepweb. Seems like there's a good shot that those types of files would be floating around in there somewhere, although I've no idea how complex it would be to find them.

New here! Haven't seen it mentioned yet but there's a site called DocumentingReality that you can view some cool stuff on. You can google it and view some stuff I haven't seen or read on Columbine, anywhere else including a firsthand telling of the crime scene in EXTREME detail by the son of one of the teachers there. Sucks that you can only view so many topics as a preview of sorts before your limit is up. But you can get a lifetime membership for just $10. I've considered it but like some of you said, not sure I want to take that leap down the rabbit hole since I too tend to get a little obsessive with various tragedies...

Jlfox7 wrote:

New here! Haven't seen it mentioned yet but there's a site called DocumentingReality that you can view some cool stuff on. You can google it and view some stuff I haven't seen or read on Columbine, anywhere else including a firsthand telling of the crime scene in EXTREME detail by the son of one of the teachers there. Sucks that you can only view so many topics as a preview of sorts before your limit is up. But you can get a lifetime membership for just $10. I've considered it but like some of you said, not sure I want to take that leap down the rabbit hole since I too tend to get a little obsessive with various tragedies...

I visited that site & it does block you after a certain number of views. The account of the faculty members son was discredited tho, apparently it was a fabrication.

I may pony up the fee & dig around to see what i can find.

The posts that reference Columbine on DR are:

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nothing really new for me. (but i am into columbine since 2009)

Fatheroftwo wrote:

Jlfox7 wrote:

New here! Haven't seen it mentioned yet but there's a site called DocumentingReality that you can view some cool stuff on. You can google it and view some stuff I haven't seen or read on Columbine, anywhere else including a firsthand telling of the crime scene in EXTREME detail by the son of one of the teachers there. Sucks that you can only view so many topics as a preview of sorts before your limit is up. But you can get a lifetime membership for just $10. I've considered it but like some of you said, not sure I want to take that leap down the rabbit hole since I too tend to get a little obsessive with various tragedies...

I visited that site & it does block you after a certain number of views.  The account of the faculty members son was discredited tho, apparently it was a fabrication.

I may pony up the fee & dig around to see what i can find.

I recently donated to the same website and got 5 discs of information and that account was on it, it sounded very realistic and detailed, I'm disappointed to learn that it was a fabrication. That sounds messed up doesn't it? But I have always wondered what the eyewitnesses saw. Most of the kids who survived in the library played dead and couldn't see too much through all of the smoke, or maybe they didn't want to see. (i wouldn't) Even though it is morbid, I have always wondered what the first responders walked in on. I imagine it is much like the dead photos of eric and dylan, but all of the others all over the library.

Also in the 11k in the evidence log it lists teeth (eek!) does anybody know if those teeth belong to Eric since he shot himself through the mouth? Or possibly Daniel Mauser since he was shot in the face? I realize this is a very strange and gross question, but that is where my mind goes....
*shudders*