To all the "Eric was a psychopath" people..

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One of the biggest problems with the psychopathy diagnosis is that it requires observation, and the doctors who diagnosed Eric had no opportunity to observe him at any point.

I personally do not place much stock in the diagnosis because of this. Diagnoses of mental illness are complicated matters, and many require observation over a period of time.

One should keep in mind that with school shootings: It isnt Just one factor or one cause for explanation. So if Eric was a psychopath, theres something mote to it.

Another thing is that theres plenty of theories about why school shootings are taking place. Damaged masculinity/ASPD are one out of many factors cited.

lasttrain wrote:

His journal was not an act.  He attempted to do all the things he wrote about, which proves it was not an act.

Eric was a psychopath.  The doctors who reviewed his writings, Dr. Frank Ochberg, Dr. Dwayne Fuselier, Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole, and Dr. Peter Langman, have all identified him as a psychopath.  Unlike message board posters, these doctors have experience with thousands of patients.  Dr. Robert Hare, who invented the category of psychopathy, endorsed the diagnosis by linking it on his website.

Eric's writings and the testimony about his behavior from others is a textbook fit with the psychopathy checklist.  Psychopathy is not about killing people.  It is about superficial charm, a grandiose sense of self, a need for constant stimulation, a love of lying, a shallow sense of emotion, poor self control, failure to take responsibility for one's own actions, a predatory disposition to others, and finally a record of juvenile delinquency.

Dylan does not fit most of these categories.  His demeanor is not glib or smarmy, he did not constantly try to manipulate people for amusement, he does not exult in lying or deceiving others as a pastime, and he does not have a shallow sense of emotion.

None of Hare, Fuselier, Langmann, or Cullen claim that psychopathy precludes emotions.  On the contrary, Hare says that psychopaths often feel "shallow emotions" that are tiny compared to what a normal person would feel.  Eric shedding tears over murdering 400 people and then trying to do it anyway is a great example of the kind of the "shallow emotion" that psychopaths feel.

Cullen: "Researchers often compare psychopaths to robots or rogue computers...That's the closest approximation of their behavior, but the metaphor lacks nuance. Psychopaths feel something; Eric seemed to show sadness when his dog was sick, and he occasionally felt twinges of regret toward humans." (p. 242-243).

In other words, textbook psychopath. Just like Dr. Peter Langman, Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole, Dr. Frank Ochs, and Dr. Dwayne Fusilier all say.

Its interesting that you mentioned this, because the Swedish radio ran a programme about the shooting a few years ago and Fuselier said something along the lines that he had basically watvhed the basement tapes and when Eric said something along the lines of 'Im sorry' he shrugged hes shoulders. Its 'sorry, not so sorry'. In other words, it wasnt really a remorseful statement. Which suggests that reading the text doesnt say much about body language.

Because its not just one factor but plenty.

Someone thats purely a psychopath doesnt kill people. Its how you move towards a violent psychopath thats part of the question.

Norwegian wrote:

Because its not just one factor but plenty.

Someone thats purely a psychopath doesnt kill people. Its how you move towards a violent psychopath thats part of the question.

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A good read.

Norwegian wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

His journal was not an act.  He attempted to do all the things he wrote about, which proves it was not an act.

Eric was a psychopath.  The doctors who reviewed his writings, Dr. Frank Ochberg, Dr. Dwayne Fuselier, Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole, and Dr. Peter Langman, have all identified him as a psychopath.  Unlike message board posters, these doctors have experience with thousands of patients.  Dr. Robert Hare, who invented the category of psychopathy, endorsed the diagnosis by linking it on his website.

Eric's writings and the testimony about his behavior from others is a textbook fit with the psychopathy checklist.  Psychopathy is not about killing people.  It is about superficial charm, a grandiose sense of self, a need for constant stimulation, a love of lying, a shallow sense of emotion, poor self control, failure to take responsibility for one's own actions, a predatory disposition to others, and finally a record of juvenile delinquency.

Dylan does not fit most of these categories.  His demeanor is not glib or smarmy, he did not constantly try to manipulate people for amusement, he does not exult in lying or deceiving others as a pastime, and he does not have a shallow sense of emotion.

None of Hare, Fuselier, Langmann, or Cullen claim that psychopathy precludes emotions.  On the contrary, Hare says that psychopaths often feel "shallow emotions" that are tiny compared to what a normal person would feel.  Eric shedding tears over murdering 400 people and then trying to do it anyway is a great example of the kind of the "shallow emotion" that psychopaths feel.

Cullen: "Researchers often compare psychopaths to robots or rogue computers...That's the closest approximation of their behavior, but the metaphor lacks nuance. Psychopaths feel something; Eric seemed to show sadness when his dog was sick, and he occasionally felt twinges of regret toward humans." (p. 242-243).

In other words, textbook psychopath. Just like Dr. Peter Langman, Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole, Dr. Frank Ochs, and Dr. Dwayne Fusilier all say.

Its interesting that you mentioned this, because the Swedish radio ran a programme about the shooting a few years ago and Fuselier said something along the lines that he had basically watvhed the basement tapes and when Eric said something along the lines of 'Im sorry' he shrugged hes shoulders. Its 'sorry, not so sorry'. In other words, it wasnt really a remorseful statement. Which suggests that reading the text doesnt say much about body language.

Why would Fuselier be on swedish radio?
Are there any sources about that statement in english?

Ligeya wrote:

Norwegian wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

His journal was not an act.  He attempted to do all the things he wrote about, which proves it was not an act.

Eric was a psychopath.  The doctors who reviewed his writings, Dr. Frank Ochberg, Dr. Dwayne Fuselier, Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole, and Dr. Peter Langman, have all identified him as a psychopath.  Unlike message board posters, these doctors have experience with thousands of patients.  Dr. Robert Hare, who invented the category of psychopathy, endorsed the diagnosis by linking it on his website.

Eric's writings and the testimony about his behavior from others is a textbook fit with the psychopathy checklist.  Psychopathy is not about killing people.  It is about superficial charm, a grandiose sense of self, a need for constant stimulation, a love of lying, a shallow sense of emotion, poor self control, failure to take responsibility for one's own actions, a predatory disposition to others, and finally a record of juvenile delinquency.

Dylan does not fit most of these categories.  His demeanor is not glib or smarmy, he did not constantly try to manipulate people for amusement, he does not exult in lying or deceiving others as a pastime, and he does not have a shallow sense of emotion.

None of Hare, Fuselier, Langmann, or Cullen claim that psychopathy precludes emotions.  On the contrary, Hare says that psychopaths often feel "shallow emotions" that are tiny compared to what a normal person would feel.  Eric shedding tears over murdering 400 people and then trying to do it anyway is a great example of the kind of the "shallow emotion" that psychopaths feel.

Cullen: "Researchers often compare psychopaths to robots or rogue computers...That's the closest approximation of their behavior, but the metaphor lacks nuance. Psychopaths feel something; Eric seemed to show sadness when his dog was sick, and he occasionally felt twinges of regret toward humans." (p. 242-243).

In other words, textbook psychopath. Just like Dr. Peter Langman, Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole, Dr. Frank Ochs, and Dr. Dwayne Fusilier all say.

Its interesting that you mentioned this, because the Swedish radio ran a programme about the shooting a few years ago and Fuselier said something along the lines that he had basically watvhed the basement tapes and when Eric said something along the lines of 'Im sorry' he shrugged hes shoulders. Its 'sorry, not so sorry'. In other words, it wasnt really a remorseful statement. Which suggests that reading the text doesnt say much about body language.

Why would Fuselier be on swedish radio?
Are there any sources about that statement in english?

Because the Columbine shooting is well known outside if the US, and because the programme focuses on foreign and domestic cases. Swedish radio had their own programme, and they probably travelled over there to interview others. So they interviewed the Browns, Cullen, Frank DeAngelis, Dwayne Fuselier and a swedish journalist that covered the Columbine shooting.

And, yes:

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Norwegian wrote:

Ligeya wrote:

Norwegian wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

His journal was not an act.  He attempted to do all the things he wrote about, which proves it was not an act.

Eric was a psychopath.  The doctors who reviewed his writings, Dr. Frank Ochberg, Dr. Dwayne Fuselier, Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole, and Dr. Peter Langman, have all identified him as a psychopath.  Unlike message board posters, these doctors have experience with thousands of patients.  Dr. Robert Hare, who invented the category of psychopathy, endorsed the diagnosis by linking it on his website.

Eric's writings and the testimony about his behavior from others is a textbook fit with the psychopathy checklist.  Psychopathy is not about killing people.  It is about superficial charm, a grandiose sense of self, a need for constant stimulation, a love of lying, a shallow sense of emotion, poor self control, failure to take responsibility for one's own actions, a predatory disposition to others, and finally a record of juvenile delinquency.

Dylan does not fit most of these categories.  His demeanor is not glib or smarmy, he did not constantly try to manipulate people for amusement, he does not exult in lying or deceiving others as a pastime, and he does not have a shallow sense of emotion.

None of Hare, Fuselier, Langmann, or Cullen claim that psychopathy precludes emotions.  On the contrary, Hare says that psychopaths often feel "shallow emotions" that are tiny compared to what a normal person would feel.  Eric shedding tears over murdering 400 people and then trying to do it anyway is a great example of the kind of the "shallow emotion" that psychopaths feel.

Cullen: "Researchers often compare psychopaths to robots or rogue computers...That's the closest approximation of their behavior, but the metaphor lacks nuance. Psychopaths feel something; Eric seemed to show sadness when his dog was sick, and he occasionally felt twinges of regret toward humans." (p. 242-243).

In other words, textbook psychopath. Just like Dr. Peter Langman, Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole, Dr. Frank Ochs, and Dr. Dwayne Fusilier all say.

Its interesting that you mentioned this, because the Swedish radio ran a programme about the shooting a few years ago and Fuselier said something along the lines that he had basically watvhed the basement tapes and when Eric said something along the lines of 'Im sorry' he shrugged hes shoulders. Its 'sorry, not so sorry'. In other words, it wasnt really a remorseful statement. Which suggests that reading the text doesnt say much about body language.

Why would Fuselier be on swedish radio?
Are there any sources about that statement in english?

Because the Columbine shooting is well known outside if the US, and because the programme focuses on foreign and domestic cases. Swedish radio had their own programme, and they probably travelled over there to interview others. So they interviewed the Browns, Cullen, Frank DeAngelis, Dwayne Fuselier and a swedish journalist that covered the Columbine shooting.

And, yes:

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Browns, Cullen, DeAngelis and Fuselier. Thank you for the link, but I'll pass. I mean, i am sure Fuselier is a great psychologist, after all he was working as a psychologist during Waco Siege, and it was amazing "success". But it's obvious that all people from this list are happy to distort the truth to create their own narrative.