"FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened

To actually go out and kill a bunch of people you would have to have enough hate in your heart to do so.

Somebody that is not 'full of hate' would not go out and kill people.

What do you think and why?

I don't necessarily think someone has to be full of hate to go on a rampage.

I do however think that both Eric and Dylan were.

I'm not so sure, say, Lanza was full of hate like Eric and Dylan seemed to be.

Did Adam Lanza kill 6 year old children out of a twisted sense of love?

sororityalpha wrote:

Did Adam Lanza kill 6 year old children out of a twisted sense of love?

I think Sandy Hook had less to do with hate and more with the fact Adam Lanza was truly mentally disturbed. Eric and Dylan were depressed but it was their environment, school experiences etc. that caused them to become full of hate and pushed them over the edge.

If a person is so full of hate that they decide to kill people, I'd imagine they'd want to target the people they hate and not, say, 6-year-olds.

Oh I am sure he harboured hatred/bitterness in his heart for them.

And you have to have some form of hate to shoot all the children 3 and 11 times each.

Didn't he yell and swear at the poor little kids during his shooting?

I think professionals would argue that Eric and Dylan were truly mentally disturbed and I think anyone can see that they did not really hate anyone that they killed. I don't see a major difference between Sandy Hook and Columbine in terms of victim choice. This was not one of those cases where a kid was pushed to the edge by bullying and targeted his tormentors before committing suicide. Their victims probably deserved to be hated about as much as Lanza's victims did and Eric and Dylan meant to target their entire school, which does not add up with what you are saying. Sometimes I wonder if Lanza's plan was to make it clear that he did not believe that he was targeting people who deserved to be killed because I think he knew that Eric and Dylan's justifications for murdering their classmates were empty and that most people see through them as soon as they do a bit of research into their lives. Maybe mass murder can be a symbolic act but they were still killing people who had personally done nothing to them and they knew this.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Were you being sarcastic with that comment or do you believe it might be true? I know some people believe that Adam felt like he was "saving" those children. I don't agree with that interpretation myself but I'm not sure what you believe.

sororityalpha wrote:

Oh I am sure he harboured hatred/bitterness in his heart for them.

And you have to have some form of hate to shoot all the children 3 and 11 times each.

Didn't he yell and swear at the poor little kids during his shooting?

I happen to agree with Draw_It_White that hate is not a necessary ingredient for mass murder.

Yes, Lanza swore and yelled at those children. I think this is indicative of rage. I know that hate and rage can be related but I think rage better expresses what was happening with Lanza and probably Eric and Dylan, too. In your opinion, why would Lanza have hated the children? I think just like Eric and Dylan, he was angry at the world and those children were convenient targets for his rage.

Adam may have had a twisted sense of love thinking that he was saving them from a future wretched life, no one knows for sure.

But it definitely takes a certain amount of hatred in order to kill people.

sscc wrote:

I think professionals would argue that Eric and Dylan were truly mentally disturbed and I think anyone can see that they did not really hate anyone that they killed. I don't see a major difference between Sandy Hook and Columbine in terms of victim choice. This was not one of those cases where a kid was pushed to the edge by bullying and targeted his tormentors before committing suicide. Their victims probably deserved to be hated about as much as Lanza's victims did and Eric and Dylan meant to target their entire school, which does not add up with what you are saying. Sometimes I wonder if Lanza's plan was to make it clear that he did not believe that he was targeting people who deserved to be killed because I think he knew that Eric and Dylan's justifications for murdering their classmates were empty and that most people see through them as soon as they do a bit of research into their lives. Maybe mass murder can be a symbolic act but they were still killing people who had personally done nothing to them and they knew this.

I meant that they hated the whole school. It started off with the "bullies" or whatever, and then their hate just grew to include everyone in the school because they felt that nobody did anything to help them. Obviously I'm not saying that's healthy thinking, but I think it explains why Eric and Dylan shot their classmates and not some random people at a shopping mall or something. Lanza, on the other hand, had no connection to the children he killed whatsoever, except that he used to attend Sandy Hook a long time ago.

I relate to Eric, sometimes I think I know he feels or where he is coming from, so honestly it's not really hate, it's more of like years of abandonment and heartbreak, disappointed that lead to "hate" for almost everybody. I think you must have had constant disappointment in your life then you no longer have hope in people and in trying, so might aswell eradicate the human-race responsible for hurting you as so.

shades wrote:

I relate to Eric, sometimes I think I know he feels or where he is coming from, so honestly it's not really hate, it's more of like years of abandonment and heartbreak, disappointed that lead to "hate" for almost everybody. I think you must have had constant disappointment in your life then you no longer have hope in people and in trying, so might aswell eradicate the human-race responsible for hurting you as so.

From what I heard though, they weren't all that hated at Columbine, they had a few friends. I don't understand why they would feel abandoned.

bradt93 wrote:

shades wrote:

I relate to Eric, sometimes I think I know he feels or where he is coming from, so honestly it's not really hate, it's more of like years of abandonment and heartbreak, disappointed that lead to "hate" for almost everybody. I think you must have had constant disappointment in your life then you no longer have hope in people and in trying, so might aswell eradicate the human-race responsible for hurting you as so.

From what I heard though, they weren't all that hated at Columbine, they had a few friends. I don't understand why they would feel abandoned.

True they had friends, but I don't think their friends were good enough for them. They certainly were not friends with the popular crowd. The popular pretty girls didn't pay attention to them. And on top of that add the mental illness aspect. Both were depressed. Depression can cause you to feel all alone even when you are not

The popular crowd doesn't really like you unless you're in their certain group. I hope that's changed, but I don't know. I also thought a few attractive girls were attracted to them from what I heard?

bradt93 wrote:

The popular crowd doesn't really like you unless you're in their certain group. I hope that's changed, but I don't know. I also thought a few attractive girls were attracted to them from what I heard?

Well you can look up photos of Robyn or Kristi Eppling... In my opinion both girls were attractive. But of course beauty is subjective. We know Dylan was not interested in Robyn and Eric was not interested in Kristi. Maybe they just didn't see the girls as attractive. We know that Eric was obsessed with Brandi. She didn't give him the time of day and couldn't even remember his name when he told it to her a few min earlier. Brandi was who he wanted. And she didn't want him.

It's an unsolvable riddle, especially without the basement tapes. I think ascribing a motive to Columbine is guaranteed to be far-reaching. Unlike Lanza, they were fully functioning, social, had decent to above average family lives (from what we know), with well adjusted older siblings. Their massacre just never seems to make sense, and I think that might have been the whole point.

Lizpuff wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

The popular crowd doesn't really like you unless you're in their certain group. I hope that's changed, but I don't know. I also thought a few attractive girls were attracted to them from what I heard?

Well you can look up photos of Robyn or Kristi Eppling... In my opinion both girls were attractive.  But of course beauty is subjective.  We know Dylan was not interested in Robyn and Eric was not interested in Kristi.  Maybe they just didn't see the girls as attractive.  We know that Eric was obsessed with Brandi.  She didn't give him the time of day and couldn't even remember his name when he told it to her a few min earlier.  Brandi was who he wanted.  And she didn't want him.

Yea, she was one of those bitches who was judgemental, just because of how a person looks. I hope Brandi is fat today.

I have to tell you guys a secret, when I was in middle school, I felt like gunning down the people who weren't nice to me either. I'm fine now, but it hurt me badly. My therapist said it's middle school, they were immature and brats.

bradt93 wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

The popular crowd doesn't really like you unless you're in their certain group. I hope that's changed, but I don't know. I also thought a few attractive girls were attracted to them from what I heard?

Well you can look up photos of Robyn or Kristi Eppling... In my opinion both girls were attractive.  But of course beauty is subjective.  We know Dylan was not interested in Robyn and Eric was not interested in Kristi.  Maybe they just didn't see the girls as attractive.  We know that Eric was obsessed with Brandi.  She didn't give him the time of day and couldn't even remember his name when he told it to her a few min earlier.  Brandi was who he wanted.  And she didn't want him.

Yea, she was one of those bitches who was judgemental, just because of how a person looks.  I hope Brandi is fat today.

There have been photos of her posted on here recently I believe? In any case IIRC she is a teacher and a mother so she has put on some weight I guess but that in and of itself is a judgemental thing to say. Criticizing someone for being judgemental and then making a judgemental comment on them is not right. We in general should strive to be better and overcome things like that. Not try to bring others down.

I seen the cafeteria video and she just ignore him when he tried to talk to her? She was calling out for this guy "jeremy" instead. That was so wrong and mean.

bradt93 wrote:

I seen the cafeteria video and she just ignore him when he tried to talk to her? She was calling out for this guy "jeremy" instead. That was so wrong and mean.

A lot of the video was about her. Eric went to the cafeteria and she stated she would join him. So at the beginning when Eric is at the table with his friends you can hear them talk about waiting for her to come down. Then she comes down and looks right at them and ignores them. Goes to a different table. Thus the "Eric got jacked in the a$$" comment. Then later yes she is paying attention to Jeremy when Eric is trying to say goodbye. And then again on a different day when she spends quite a bit of time with Eric, Erik and Mike and despite talking to them cannot even remember his name. Eric was smitten with her but she didnt care about him

Well, I did read she was traumatized by Columbine, I guess that's a good revenge as any.

Having friends doesn't mean you can't feel alone. And infact, those friends of theirs aren't the kind which you can count on, maybe Eric at least, he only had Dylan, Dylan had Nate/Zack/Chris. Sometimes your own mental issues is something you struggling with on your own and isn't about friends. They both felt abandoned somehow. For Eric, he probably feels so each time he gets turned down by girls he's interested in. and each time he moves cities.

And let me remind you "hate", can also strongly mean hate for themselves. They hated themselves

bradt93 wrote:

I seen the cafeteria video and she just ignore him when he tried to talk to her? She was calling out for this guy "jeremy" instead. That was so wrong and mean.
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Well, I did read she was traumatized by Columbine, I guess that's a good revenge as any.

Stop talking like you know these people. She doesn't owe him anything. For all we know, Eric could have said something off-putting (e.g. Sieg Heil!) and she overheard at some other time. It was "so wrong and mean" that she didn't talk to a kid who had been seriously planning mass murder for months? Her being traumatized is a good revenge? Come back to earth, please.

So being a snob is okay? is that really the right attitude you want to have towards people? She should've at least talked to him, you know gave him a chance.

This is why a lot of guys don't attempt to ask girls out anymore. They are judgmental and have bad attitudes.

HA! Plenty of men ask women out! You, admittedly, have no interaction with females and yet were ALL judgmental and have bad attitudes? Pot, meet kettle.

I don't want to have interaction with them, thank you very much.

bradt93 wrote:

So being a snob is okay? is that really the right attitude you want to have towards people? She should've at least talked to him, you know gave him a chance.

If you don't like someone, you can't be forced to. She should have told him she wasn't interested but really we don't know that he really ever showed he liked her. It may seem obvious in hindsight from people outside the situation and I know he roundabout-ly asked her to prom but we don't know if she knew he liked her.

And that is the exact reason why I don't approach women.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] so you readily admit you know nothing of women? And you don't want to have interactions with them? Pfffft haha, ok!  Classic. Oh, and since you so graciously thanked me, you are VERY welcome. How's the hunt for hookers going? Any progress there?

bradt93 wrote:

So being a snob is okay? is that really the right attitude you want to have towards people? She should've at least talked to him, you know gave him a chance.

She didn't have to give him shit. She didn't owe him anything. She wasn't interested. What's so hard to understand about that? Was Eric a snob and mean and a bitch because he had no interest in Kristi or was Dylan a stuck up bitch because he had no interest in Robyn? How come you're so hypocritical and one sided when it comes to Dylan and Eric? You act like these 2 murderers were heroes or God's gift to women. They weren't. They weren't victims. They were murderers. Point blank period.

The reason you probably have such bad luck with women is because you call them all kinds of names, say shit like you hope they're fat and suffering from a traumatic event in their lives and you mean to tell me you're "OK now"? No offense but it doesn't come off that way. Who that is "OK now" would hope a girl is suffering flashbacks nearly 20 years later because she had no interest in Eric? Sometimes I'm not sure if you're actually serious with the things you say or if you're just trolling all of us. To be honest, it really is hard to fathom that you're being serious when you say this shit.

The only thing she could or should have done differently was come out and say "Dude, I am not interested in you" because he obviously couldn't take the hint. And besides, why would a guy want to date a girl that ignores him, doesn't even know his name and is obviously not interested? I would never waste my time on a guy who has no interest in me and is clearly interested in some other girl.

It's how I feel.

Jenn wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

So being a snob is okay? is that really the right attitude you want to have towards people? She should've at least talked to him, you know gave him a chance.

She didn't have to give him shit. She didn't owe him anything. She wasn't interested. What's so hard to understand about that? Was Eric a snob and mean and a bitch because he had no interest in Kristi or was Dylan a stuck up bitch because he had no interest in Robyn? How come you're so hypocritical and one sided when it comes to Dylan and Eric? You act like these 2 murderers were heroes or God's gift to women. They weren't. They weren't victims. They were murderers. Point blank period.

The reason you probably have such bad luck with women is because you call them all kinds of names, say shit like you hope they're fat and suffering from a traumatic event in their lives and you mean to tell me you're "OK now"? No offense but it doesn't come off that way. Who that is "OK now" would hope a girl is suffering flashbacks nearly 20 years later because she had no interest in Eric? Sometimes I'm not sure if you're actually serious with the things you say or if you're just trolling all of us. To be honest, it really is hard to fathom that you're being serious when you say this shit.

The only thing she could or should have done differently was come out and say "Dude, I am not interested in you" because he obviously couldn't take the hint. And besides, why would a guy want to date a girl that ignores him, doesn't even know his name and is obviously not interested? I would never waste my time on a guy who has no interest in me and is clearly interested in some other girl.

Oh well, I don't give a shit.

Clearly you do, you keep bringing this up time and again. As well as the I'm not gay routine. If you are, good for you. No one here would judge you if you were. This is new though, denigrating females with your admissions that you don't know how to integrate yourself into an environment to meet real women, while claiming they have bad attitudes and are judgmental. Again, POT meet KETTLE. AND TRUST ME, WOMEN SENSE THIS IS YOUR M.O. Makes perfect sense.

shades wrote:

And let me remind you "hate", can also strongly mean hate for themselves. They hated themselves

This is a good point. I do think Eric and Dylan hated themselves and other shooters have shown signs of feeling inferior to others and nurturing resentment because of it.

Eric Harris wrote:

Then again, I have always hated how I looked, I make fun of people who look like me, sometimes without even thinking sometimes just because I want to rip on myself.   That’s where a lot of my hate grows from. The fact that I have practically no self-esteem, especially concerning girls and looks and such. Therefore people make fun of me...constantly...therefore I get no respect and therefore I get fucking PISSED.

Whatever I have no empathy for the bitch.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Well, don't forget that both Eric and Dylan were also particular about who they gave the time of day to. Like I said in another thread they both had standards as well and wouldn't date just anyone who was interested in them. So it works both ways.

Not saying Brandi's treatment of Eric was appropriate, but he's far from the only person in the world who has been treated like that by someone they liked that didnt like them back. Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows all the time and you don't always get everything you want. People aren't always nice and a lot of times they don't consider other peoples' feelings. You can get upset about it and wonder why all you want but it won't change the way some people just are, and that life's not always fair. Lets also not forget the people involved here are teenagers in high school, and a lot of times teenagers don't consider the consequences of their actions (in this case hurting someone's feelings). Honestly Eric should've moved on from her anyway. Even he recognized that she was shallow (if his essay "Betsy" was actually referring to her).

Brad look. You have no empathy for Brandi? Me? Every other female? Trust me, it's a 2 way straight. You keep talking about shooting up your school, and then a day later, you change your mind. I hope you print your posts off to show them to your counselor.

Again, you're letting bullying from 15 +/- years ago dictate your life. I've never, in my life, encountered anyone who still holds onto that...even 10 years down the road. The question of why is yours to answer.

I pray you never live in the real world. It surely will bully you far worse than someone who stole you TrapperKeeper. How will you deal with tragedies, family deaths and devastating illnesses?

Ha! No empathy? Plenty of people could say the same about you.

And how is that hooker search going? You didn't answer.

The video doesn't really suggest to me that she should be aware Eric jerks off over the thought of her.

If he did ask her to prom - maybe she already had a date for it.

bradt93 wrote:

Whatever I have no empathy for the bitch.

What a profoundly stupid thing to say. The simple fact is that you don't know her. Come to terms with the fact that you've made up some sort of victim narrative (and apparently yourself as well) for Eric based on nothing but wild conjecture. Get out of your own head. Consider for a moment that she could be the nicest person you've ever met.

Give empathy a try, Brad. It will make your life better.

So someone sent me a contact message and of course didn't say who they were and didn't leave a name or an email address. And what they said was that I sit around with a "bunch of faggots" on my forum and "bully Brad". And that me and my "group of faggots" bully anyone who has a dick.

So let me get this straight. Everyone else is the problem and not the shit that Brad is saying about women? And Brad DOES talk down to women and about women. He did it to me in a private message before because I asked him to stop talking shit about Columbine victims. Obviously the person who sent this to me is a "man". Well I don't know if you could call them a "man", but what kind of "man" would send this kind of shit out to a woman? Calling me a faggot and saying I sit around with faggots and this person is insulting every other person in this thread except for the one who actually IS "bullying".

Instead of being an idiot and anonymously sending this stupid shit, why not create an account and post in the thread?

And FYI since this person obviously hasn't read all of Brad's past posts but if he's so innocent and all of us dick bashing females are the problem, why the hell did Brad make an entire thread apologizing to the forum?

Once again, I don't even know if this shit is serious or if it's just another troll because I just can't see anyone seriously saying this stuff. Being accused of being sexist? Really? I swear people will make any stupid thing up for attention.

Brad has ran more people off and is desperately trying to make this into elemenatary redundancy. His thought processes are illogical and his circular, abnormal logic is incredible. Anyone who bashes victims and females are sickening.

Brad, no one is required to tolerate, respect or like you and especially your posts. And that statement is true for every single person in the world, not just you.

I did not send that message to Jenn - just wanted to make that clear...

And I'm not required to like anyone on this board.

Apparently the spirit world has web access, "bradt93" is the online sock account for none other than the spirit of Eric Harris.

"bradt93" what's the scoop with Cassie and Rachel and the faith references? Meet me on the Ouija board if that's easier.

And why did you tag me??? Really? You wanna start again? I and countless others have given you good advice just so you can continue on this nonsense. This is clearly not the place you should be. Most people here are intelligent researchers, not a kid who keeps the schedule of a schoolgirl. You have made no contributions, you have asked the SAME question over and over and over and OVER. You reek of the Spechul Snowflake Syndrome, where your parents shelter, coddle and cater to you. Life has HUGE surprises in store for you.

Don't like me? Let me put to you this way. You are unlikeable here. You make zero effort INCLUDING not even a half assed attempt to use the search function. I can tell you exactly what I think of you, including your living conditions in 6 or so years...when you turn 18. Mind numbing drivel, sprinkled with I'M NOT GAY, but boy are they HOT. Girls SHOULD have loooooved them. You are entitled, and you spout the entitled battle cry of date rapists world wide.

Your whoever is responsible for you, catching the bus, and getting lunch money, have crippled you in life.  Now, I'm sure you have homework to attend to. I love you brad!

It's better not to argue with brad. It seems he asks questions but he's not gonna accept the answer anyway.