School shooting in Aztec New Mexico

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Also someone deleted his entire discord (because they were afraid of LE raiding them)

Have the police contacted you yet?

QuestionMark wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Also someone deleted his entire discord (because they were afraid of LE raiding them)

Have the police contacted you yet?

No.
I don't live in the US though, so maybe that's why.

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sscc wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I had a Skype conversation with him on the 5th November where he showed me a .22LR rifle and a 9mm Glock pistol he'd bought recently, I think he'd bought them on that same day? I think he said it was at least during that week. So if he really was the shooter then he bought at least one of his guns shortly before the shooting.
He had other guns and I think he even had rifles that fired bigger rounds like a Mini 14. People might wonder why he didn't use them however he did disguise himself as a student so he'd need to conceal his weapons, and a regular student wouldn't be carrying a black duffel bag.

This news article says that the shooter bought a Glock 9mm pistol a month ago.
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Did this guy say anything else to your friend in the message where he said that he was going to die?

(Was this the guy who seemed to post a comment on every mass shooting related video on Youtube?)

No, he didn't seem to say anything else.
Also his name was Vance Stone. He mentioned in a Youtube comment that he posted a ton of comments and his comments seemed to get flagged as spam automatically so maybe.

Wait, Vance Stone?? Oh fuck..

I highly doubt it was VS but if it does turn out to be him I shall certainly be celebrating The troll will return in one form or another (if he's not here already!). His reddit about guns, VPN's and Tor certainly makes an interesting read

Damn, if this really was "Vance Stone", then I talked with him on YT sometimes.

I watched his videos quite a bit and seen him a lot on Youtube. Think I might have talked to him once or twice...damn, I am at loss of words..

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Apparently people are alleging that he was a sysop on Encyclopedia Dramatica and a user on Kiwi Farms.

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I wonder if the allegations are true.

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Ganon/Sephiroth is apparently his Blockland account. Holy shit.

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This is the blockland thread where they talk about it.

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Huh, wonder when the cross contamination starts.

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Ganon/Sephiroth is apparently his Blockland account. Holy shit.

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This is the blockland thread where they talk about it.

Holy shit. On Vance's Steam profile, there's a link to his old Steam account with that username.

Here are his Encyclopedia Dramatica and Kiwi Farms accounts:

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Just...god damn.

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Here are his Encyclopedia Dramatica and Kiwi Farms accounts:

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Just...god damn.

Yep. It's him. It's Vance. AlGore is Vance.

I'm surprised no news agency mentioned his online presence. Guess they moved on.

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STK wrote:

I'm surprised no news agency mentioned his online presence. Guess they moved on.

I think part of it is that this wasn't big enough for them to make a story about, and part of it is that it's been four days since it's been revealed he was an ED admin, a KF user, and a member of this very website. Most news outlets ignored Randy Stair, even though he had a diverse internet presence.

It also doesn't help that this shooting happened while several major political stories are happening live (such as the Russia investigation, Al Franken's resignation, the congressional race in Alabama, and the upcoming net neutrality vote). Everyone's priorities are elsewhere.

I didn't really want to believe this and at first I wasn't buying it because he was a troll. I was casually looking through his accounts for the past couple of days to see if there was any proof one way or another.

At first, I saw that he said something about living in the suburbs of Denver, which didn't make sense if he was the shooter and made me think that it was a lie. Yesterday, I found a comment which suggested the name of his real life brother. I just got around to looking it up and someone with the name on the account he identified as his brother's (there was only a first name and last initial on the account but obviously we know what the last name should be if he's related to the shooter) comes up with an address in Aztec, NM, about five minutes from the high school. That seems like a very weird coincidence if it's not him.

STK wrote:

I'm surprised no news agency mentioned his online presence. Guess they moved on.

I have a feeling that law enforcement agencies are going through his online activity right now (if only to make sure that he didn't have any help) and that the information that he was "obsessed with mass shootings" will be released within the next week or two. I don't think it will be a major national story but I'm sure that they will be talking about it locally.

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I didn't really want to believe this and at first I wasn't buying it because he was a troll. I was casually looking through his accounts for the past couple of days to see if there was any proof one way or another.

At first, I saw that he said something about living in the suburbs of Denver, which didn't make sense if he was the shooter and made me think that it was a lie. Yesterday, I found a comment which suggested the name of his real life brother. I just got around to looking it up and someone with the name on the account he identified as his brother's (there was only a first name and last initial on the account but obviously we know what the last name should be if he's related to the shooter) comes up with an address in Aztec, NM, about five minutes from the high school. That seems like a very weird coincidence if it's not him.

I'm going to be honest, I was shocked to learn it was ED user AlGore. His long history of internet trolling led me to believe he wasn't serious.

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He was also on Tumblr.

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I think this is going to be a situation like this:

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*Recently, Adam Lanza's former tumblr usernames were allowed to remain visible via screenshots ONLY. If another similar situation arises down the road where it has been discovered that someone infamous had a social media account, the same exact rules will apply: SCREENSHOTS of their posts will be allowed, and the only username that can remain visible will be THEIRS, no one else's.

Correct me if I'm wrong or I'm misinterpreting things.

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I think this is going to be a situation like this:

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*Recently, Adam Lanza's former tumblr usernames were allowed to remain visible via screenshots ONLY. If another similar situation arises down the road where it has been discovered that someone infamous had a social media account, the same exact rules will apply: SCREENSHOTS of their posts will be allowed, and the only username that can remain visible will be THEIRS, no one else's.

Correct me if I'm wrong or I'm misinterpreting things.

You're correct.

One important point that must be emphasized is that we cannot allow the tumblr link to be posted at all.

However, if it is proven with 100% certainty that this is indeed the person AND that it IS his tumblr account, the only thing that will be permitted will be screenshots that obscure ALL usernames aside from his.

His tumblr url/username will be allowed to remain visible in screenshots only.

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A list of every account that we know are his.

We can confirm he had a Tumblr account.

He worshiped Eric/Dylan, Hitler, etc, - sound familiar?

I wonder when Kiwifarms realizes we're talking about them.

Love how he complained about degeneracy but smoked meth

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I wonder when Kiwifarms realizes we're talking about them.

Well at the very least they found out Satanicdruggie/AlGore was a member here. 

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Here's another list of known accounts and aliases, courtesy of the people on EDF. 

It's a long one:

Link: https://forum.encyclopediadramatica.rs/threads/satanicdruggie-algore-shoots-up-their-school.29904/#post-1006970

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Here's another list of known accounts and aliases, courtesy of the people on EDF. 

It's a long one:

Link: https://forum.encyclopediadramatica.rs/threads/satanicdruggie-algore-shoots-up-their-school.29904/#post-1006970

Another one.
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InsaneIntruder wrote:

Another one.
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The FBI have got a lot of work to do. This is a lot to go through.

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Another one.
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The FBI have got a lot of work to do. This is a lot to go through.

He told me he had 100+ alts on Youtube. I wouldn't be surprised if he had nearly that amount on Steam.
So I agree, they do really have a lot to go through.

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We can confirm he had a Tumblr account.

One of Vance's friends uses the username Jason Towik. That might not be Vance.

Guys, until it is entirely certain that a social media account belongs to this person, please do not post it on here in any form.

And PLEASE, NO direct facebook, twitter, or instagram links, either.

If and when it is completely proven that such accounts indeed belonged to him, those can only be posted via screenshots as well, and EVERYONE else's usernames must also be omitted.

It's alright if you speculate, but while doing so, PLEASE obscure the usernames in screenshots and copy/pasted text until it's proven the account(s) was/were his.

Thank you very much.

Has any type of motive been established? Or are they just going to leave it at "He wanted out of this shit"?

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Has any type of motive been established? Or are they just going to leave it at "He wanted out of this shit"?

Well with the evidence pointing to AlGore/Satanicdruggie/Vance Stone being the perp, I guess the motive was "follow in the footsteps of Eric and Dylan".

"Investigators also found several drawings, goodbye notes and a notebook with passwords inside. There was also a book "Walking in Daniel's Shoes," written by the father of a 1999 Columbine High School massacre victim."

I wonder if the goodbye notes will be released?

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

"Investigators also found several drawings, goodbye notes and a notebook with passwords inside. There was also a book "Walking in Daniel's Shoes," written by the father of a 1999 Columbine High School massacre victim."

I wonder if the goodbye notes will be released?

Me too. I wonder how extensive their final report will be.

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At this point, I am just waiting for media to catch on to the fact that there have been two "mass shooters" on this site in 6 months.

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Has any type of motive been established? Or are they just going to leave it at "He wanted out of this shit"?

According to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], he posted the following sometime before the shooting:

"How am I supposed to function in this world? Wherever I go, I see degeneracy. Pointless materialism, hedonism, sexual decay, dirty niggers who do nothing but slowly break down this society etc. it's fucking everywhere. No way to escape it, 99% of people are part of it and whatever I do I am confronted with the death of the West. Go to the store and buy groceries in peace? Nope, here's a group of LGBT liberal filth in line with you. And there's a nigger family with 10 kids over there. And a Finn too, but he's overweight as fuck and he's buying alcohol and shit junk food. Fucking fantastic.

I used to think that this was a phase and we'd get over it, but I have now come to realize that I was born into a literal dystopia."

So it looks like he hated the way the world was going and he wanted out. He probably attacked his old high school because he was familiar with the area and because he viewed the students there as helping to normalize cultural values he hated.

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At this point, I am just waiting for media to catch on to the fact that there have been two "mass shooters" on this site in 6 months.

 It does make you think about who you could be talking to on the forum.

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ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Has any type of motive been established? Or are they just going to leave it at "He wanted out of this shit"?

According to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], he posted the following sometime before the shooting:

"How am I supposed to function in this world? Wherever I go, I see degeneracy. Pointless materialism, hedonism, sexual decay, dirty niggers who do nothing but slowly break down this society etc. it's fucking everywhere. No way to escape it, 99% of people are part of it and whatever I do I am confronted with the death of the West. Go to the store and buy groceries in peace? Nope, here's a group of LGBT liberal filth in line with you. And there's a nigger family with 10 kids over there. And a Finn too, but he's overweight as fuck and he's buying alcohol and shit junk food. Fucking fantastic.

I used to think that this was a phase and we'd get over it, but I have now come to realize that I was born into a literal dystopia."

So it looks like he hated the way the world was going and he wanted out. He probably attacked his old high school because he was familiar with the area and because he viewed the students there as helping to normalize cultural values he hated.

I looked this up the other day and it was from a /pol/ thread in late November (which is also when he posted it on Steam, I think) so I don't believe that he was the original author. He seemed to repost content from other places if he thought that it was funny or interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if he agreed with the sentiment based on other things that he wrote but I think that his shooting was mainly an attention seeking suicide after he decided that his life was hopeless. Maybe he really did think that the world was going to hell (though, who doesn't these days?) but it seems like he was a 21 year old kid with no education, no plans for the future, no life outside of the internet and a very dark outlook so he figured that he might as well kill some people if he was going to kill himself. I would actually be surprised to find out that this shooting was related to politics/social issues in any direct way.

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sscc wrote:

At this point, I am just waiting for media to catch on to the fact that there have been two "mass shooters" on this site in 6 months.

 It does make you think about who you could be talking to on the forum.

I knew of Lanza's participation on a Columbine forum before I joined here so I always considered it a possibility. You can't know what is going on in someone else's mind.

If the people who lived with Randy and William (and Adam) didn't know that they were potential murderers, we can't expect to be able to figure it out ourselves. Even the FBI didn't realize that William was a real threat.

I'm actually still hoping that Vance Stone is going to show up on his Youtube channel and tell us that we all got trolled. It seems unlikely at this point though.

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ShadowedGoddess wrote:

"Investigators also found several drawings, goodbye notes and a notebook with passwords inside. There was also a book "Walking in Daniel's Shoes," written by the father of a 1999 Columbine High School massacre victim."

I wonder if the goodbye notes will be released?

Me too. I wonder how extensive their final report will be.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] How did you know that the accounts on this forum belonged to him?

At this point, I am just waiting for media to catch on to the fact that there have been two "mass shooters" on this site in 6 months.

ChoSeungHui seems a lot like him and (I think) he told me that FIBAgent was him.

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ShadowedGoddess wrote:

sscc wrote:

At this point, I am just waiting for media to catch on to the fact that there have been two "mass shooters" on this site in 6 months.

 It does make you think about who you could be talking to on the forum.

I knew of Lanza's participation on a Columbine forum before I joined here so I always considered it a possibility. You can't know what is going on in someone else's mind.

If the people who lived with Randy and William (and Adam) didn't know that they were potential murderers, we can't expect to be able to figure it out ourselves. Even the FBI didn't realize that William was a real threat.

I'm actually still hoping that Vance Stone is going to show up on his Youtube channel and tell us that we all got trolled. It seems unlikely at this point though.

Considering someone deleted his entire discord due to being scared of getting raided, if he was trolling he probably would've told everyone by now.

sscc wrote:

I looked this up the other day and it was from a /pol/ thread in late November (which is also when he posted it on Steam, I think) so I don't believe that he was the original author. He seemed to repost content from other places if he thought that it was funny or interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if he agreed with the sentiment based on other things that he wrote but I think that his shooting was mainly an attention seeking suicide after he decided that his life was hopeless. Maybe he really did think that the world was going to hell (though, who doesn't these days?) but it seems like he was a 21 year old kid with no education, no plans for the future, no life outside of the internet and a very dark outlook so he figured that he might as well kill some people if he was going to kill himself. I would actually be surprised to find out that this shooting was related to politics/social issues in any direct way.

I did point out when I posted it that it may be a copypasta, so maybe it wasn't him.
EDIT: He posted it on November 23rd.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

sscc wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

"Investigators also found several drawings, goodbye notes and a notebook with passwords inside. There was also a book "Walking in Daniel's Shoes," written by the father of a 1999 Columbine High School massacre victim."

I wonder if the goodbye notes will be released?

Me too. I wonder how extensive their final report will be.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] How did you know that the accounts on this forum belonged to him?

At this point, I am just waiting for media to catch on to the fact that there have been two "mass shooters" on this site in 6 months.

ChoSeungHui seems a lot like him and (I think) he told me that FIBAgent was him.

Well, thank you for all of the information that you've shared with us so far.

Can you tell us a little bit about what he was like or what you thought of him? Would you ever have suspected that he would do this?

I thought I saw someone say that he told them about the FBI visit in 2016. Were you aware of that and if so, what did he say about it?

Did he ever talk about his interactions with Auvinen or Sonboly?

I always remembered his name in association with Elliot Rodger. Did he talk about Elliot much?

Sorry for all the questions but I'd like to know more about why he might have chosen to do this. Based on what I've seen, he posted about how to prevent mass shootings and spoke negatively about mass shooters at times while glorifying them at other times. How did he seem to feel about it all when you spoke to him?

(These questions apply to anyone on the forum who may have interacted with him.)

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sscc wrote:

I knew of Lanza's participation on a Columbine forum before I joined here so I always considered it a possibility. You can't know what is going on in someone else's mind.

If the people who lived with Randy and William (and Adam) didn't know that they were potential murderers, we can't expect to be able to figure it out ourselves. Even the FBI didn't realize that William was a real threat.

I'm actually still hoping that Vance Stone is going to show up on his Youtube channel and tell us that we all got trolled. It seems unlikely at this point though.

Considering someone deleted his entire discord due to being scared of getting raided, if he was trolling he probably would've told everyone by now.

It also seems like too much of a coincidence to be some elaborate troll. An admin at the Encyclopedia Dramatica Forums confirmed that Satanicdruggie's IP came from the same town the shootings happened at (source: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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InsaneIntruder wrote:

sscc wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

"Investigators also found several drawings, goodbye notes and a notebook with passwords inside. There was also a book "Walking in Daniel's Shoes," written by the father of a 1999 Columbine High School massacre victim."

I wonder if the goodbye notes will be released?

Me too. I wonder how extensive their final report will be.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] How did you know that the accounts on this forum belonged to him?

At this point, I am just waiting for media to catch on to the fact that there have been two "mass shooters" on this site in 6 months.

ChoSeungHui seems a lot like him and (I think) he told me that FIBAgent was him.

Well, thank you for all of the information that you've shared with us so far.

Can you tell us a little bit about what he was like or what you thought of him? Would you ever have suspected that he would do this?

I thought I saw someone say that he told them about the FBI visit in 2016. Were you aware of that and if so, what did he say about it?

Did he ever talk about his interactions with Auvinen or Sonboly?

I always remembered his name in association with Elliot Rodger. Did he talk about Elliot much?

Sorry for all the questions but I'd like to know more about why he might have chosen to do this. Based on what I've seen, he posted about how to prevent mass shootings and spoke negatively about mass shooters at times while glorifying them at other times. How did he seem to feel about it all when you spoke to him?

(These questions apply to anyone on the forum who may have interacted with him.)

It's ok. I'm fine with answering questions.

I think one time he mentioned that he trolled Elliot Rodger.

He talked about being a TAA (The Amazing Atheist) fanboy back in the day and talking to Pekka, but we didn't talk about it a lot.

I talked to him about Sonboly though, he described Sonboly as "autistic" and said that he was quiet, didn't reply that much and his replies were long. I think he also mentioned that Sonboly took a while to reply. He said he met Sonboly when he gave Vance some money in GTA 5 (he used hacks to get money) and then him and Vance would troll people in GTA. He put Sonboly on his "Badass List" on his profile (the list just contains people who've gifted him things on Steam) and it says that Sonboly gave him CS:GO skins and GTA 5 money.

He talked badly about shooters. He wrote most of the ED articles about mass shooters and most of the time they're negative. He sometimes said stuff like "shoot the school shooter" and just insulted them in general.

He mentioned the police visiting his house due to his videos and he said that the police that visited apparently found his videos funny but they had to just check on him or something like that.