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I tried watching the animation on 0.5 speed to get it closer to real time and then also listen to the 911 call (with transcripts) from the point when they are entering the library.

They are only in the library for one minute in the end of pattis call.

If the 0.5 speed is close to real time it would mean that Kyle, Steven and Cassie are killed within the time of the call.

The time spent in the library on the 0.5 speed is 5 minutes and in the video it says 7 minutes but since there are no precise timestamps or anything I think 0.5 speed is pretty accurate anyways..

If this is correct then it seems like Eric saying "Heeey" is right before Dylan kills Kyle, this makes sense because I remember witnesses saying they heard that. It seems the "Peekaboo" was then directed at Steven and the "That bitch is not staying alive, go get her" was directed att Cassie.

Does anyone have info to back this up or ruin this theory?  Razz
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I never heard about the gas lines being turned on. I do know they thew a Molotov in a science closet or something of the sort that started a fire that a teacher eventually put out.



They had tried to cause an explosion by turning on the gas lines and likely tossed the Molotov cocktail at it. Thankfully it didn't work.
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I never heard about the gas lines being turned on. I do know they thew a Molotov in a science closet or something of the sort that started a fire that a teacher eventually put out.



They had tried to cause an explosion by turning on the gas lines and likely tossed the Molotov cocktail at it. Thankfully it didn't work.

The Molotov was thrown into a closet, I'm sure someone can post the 11k section where this was explained, I've seen it before.
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@slippy123 wrote:
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I never heard about the gas lines being turned on. I do know they thew a Molotov in a science closet or something of the sort that started a fire that a teacher eventually put out.



They had tried to cause an explosion by turning on the gas lines and likely tossed the Molotov cocktail at it. Thankfully it didn't work.

The Molotov was thrown into a closet, I'm sure someone can post the 11k section where this was explained, I've seen it before.

Either way they were trying to cause an explosion, which is why they turned on the gas lines in the first place.
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I never heard about the gas lines being turned on. I do know they thew a Molotov in a science closet or something of the sort that started a fire that a teacher eventually put out.



They had tried to cause an explosion by turning on the gas lines and likely tossed the Molotov cocktail at it. Thankfully it didn't work.

The Molotov was thrown into a closet, I'm sure someone can post the 11k section where this was explained, I've seen it before.

Either way they were trying to cause an explosion, which is why they turned on the gas lines in the first place.

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Watching this video really reinforces how scatterbrained this whole attack really was. They make so many mistakes. It's frightening to realize how easy the death toll could've been much higher with just slightly better decision making by both boys.

The decision to start immediately shooting outside was a costly one. Yeah they got a couple 'money shots' but it lets the entire school know something odd is happening while both boys are at a distance. By the time they get inside the school, the 'pool' of thousands of potential victims is now spreading out.

The shooting of Sanders a huge waste of time, no offense to him or his family. Chasing down this one person right after entering the school another costly mistake. The adrenaline rush is thankfully impacting both boys decision making. On the other hand, its also obvious the way he tracked Sanders helped lead to the decision to enter the library where the real horror begins.

They're simply winging it at this point.

The post-library phase of the attack which was the longest portion of the attack has always been an oddity. The adrenaline high is clearly gone and the massacre is over. Due to the nature of their action and movements we will never know exactly what they were doing, why they were doing it, or what they were saying.


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I think it was mostly due to Eric's arrogance.  I think he thought he was a master bomb maker.  I don't think the thought of the bombs failing ever entered his head
My feelings are the exact opposite. I think they were both smart enough to know the chances of those bombs exploding were minimal at best, which is why they so quickly moved forward with the shooting.
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Watching this video really reinforces how scatterbrained this whole attack really was. They make so many mistakes. It's frightening to realize how easy the death toll could've been much higher with just slightly better decision making by both boys.

The decision to start immediately shooting outside was a costly one. Yeah they got a couple 'money shots' but it lets the entire school know something odd is happening while both boys are at a distance. By the time they get inside the school, the 'pool' of thousands of potential victims is now spreading out.

The shooting of Sanders a huge waste of time, no offense to him or his family. Chasing down this one person right after entering the school another costly mistake. The adrenaline rush is thankfully impacting both boys decision making. On the other hand, its also obvious the way he tracked Sanders helped lead to the decision to enter the library where the real horror begins.

They're simply winging it at this point.

The post-library phase of the attack which was the longest portion of the attack has always been an oddity. The adrenaline high is clearly gone and the massacre is over. Due to the nature of their action and movements we will never know exactly what they were doing, why they were doing it, or what they were saying.


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I think it was mostly due to Eric's arrogance.  I think he thought he was a master bomb maker.  I don't think the thought of the bombs failing ever entered his head
My feelings are the exact opposite. I think they were both smart enough to know the chances of those bombs exploding were minimal at best, which is why they so quickly moved forward with the shooting.

I agree with the first part almost to a tee. I think they knew that there was a good chance the bombs might not go off, but their arrogance got the best of them, which is why they didn't really have a through plan B. Once the bombs failed, they should of came into the cafeteria through the side doors and started spraying into the crowd of 400+ kids. Maybe they were scared they would be overtaken or rushed by kids, which I doubt would of happened. It's human instinct to run once you see a shooter or hear gunshots. Thankfully they didn't do what I said because the casualties would of probably been tripled. As you stated, the fact they started shooting outside gave a huge portion of the school a chance to escape before they even entered.
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Watching this video really reinforces how scatterbrained this whole attack really was. They make so many mistakes. It's frightening to realize how easy the death toll could've been much higher with just slightly better decision making by both boys.

The decision to start immediately shooting outside was a costly one. Yeah they got a couple 'money shots' but it lets the entire school know something odd is happening while both boys are at a distance. By the time they get inside the school, the 'pool' of thousands of potential victims is now spreading out.

The shooting of Sanders a huge waste of time, no offense to him or his family. Chasing down this one person right after entering the school another costly mistake. The adrenaline rush is thankfully impacting both boys decision making. On the other hand, its also obvious the way he tracked Sanders helped lead to the decision to enter the library where the real horror begins.

They're simply winging it at this point.

The post-library phase of the attack which was the longest portion of the attack has always been an oddity. The adrenaline high is clearly gone and the massacre is over. Due to the nature of their action and movements we will never know exactly what they were doing, why they were doing it, or what they were saying.


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I think it was mostly due to Eric's arrogance.  I think he thought he was a master bomb maker.  I don't think the thought of the bombs failing ever entered his head
My feelings are the exact opposite. I think they were both smart enough to know the chances of those bombs exploding were minimal at best, which is why they so quickly moved forward with the shooting.



I agree with the first part almost to a tee. I think they knew that there was a good chance the bombs might not go off, but their arrogance got the best of them, which is why they didn't really have a through plan B. Once the bombs failed, they should of came into the cafeteria through the side doors and started spraying into the crowd of 400+ kids. Maybe E&D were scared they would be overtaken or rushed by kids, which I doubt would of happened, but who knows their thought process. It's human instinct to run once you see a shooter or hear gunshots. Thankfully they didn't do what I said because the casualties would of probably been tripled. As you stated, the fact they started shooting outside gave a huge portion of the school a chance to escape before they even entered the school, so in hindsight their actions at the start of the massacre saved kids in the long run.
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Once the bombs failed, they should of came into the cafeteria through the side doors and started spraying into the crowd of 400+ kids.
Yes...it's the logical place to start the attack not just for the fact the bombs were placed there but also timing wise.

I've always wondered if there was a specific 'trigger' outside that caused an instant change. FBI profilers like Douglas and Ressler have said that a killer(s) is revealing something about themselves and their crime by their choice of victim(s), especially the first victim, even if only accidentally or subconsciously.

Columbine overall is random when it comes to victims but a case could be made for the possibility that the victims outside were not as random as it appears on the surface. They took great risk by kicking things off outside, there has to be a reason why even if we never get to know that reason.
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Once the bombs failed, they should of came into the cafeteria through the side doors and started spraying into the crowd of 400+ kids.
Yes...it's the logical place to start the attack not just for the fact the bombs were placed there but also timing wise.

I've always wondered if there was a specific 'trigger' outside that caused an instant change. FBI profilers like Douglas and Ressler have said that a killer(s) is revealing something about themselves and their crime by their choice of victim(s), especially the first victim, even if only accidentally or subconsciously.

Columbine overall is random when it comes to victims but a case could be made for the possibility that the victims outside were not as random as it appears on the surface. They took great risk by kicking things off outside, there has to be a reason why even if we never get to know that reason.

I think it was a mixture of rage and not having a thorough plan b. I can imagine that when the bombs failed, a wave of anger probably rushed through both of them, as most likely their arrogance made them think the bombs would go off without incident. Thus they probably thought "fuck it", the bombs didn't explode so let's just start this shit right here by shooting at anyone in the vicinity, which in hindsight saved alot of students.
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My feelings are the exact opposite. I think they were both smart enough to know the chances of those bombs exploding were minimal at best, which is why they so quickly moved forward with the shooting.

I am not sure. Eric did so many tests with pipe bombs and other explosives to see what blew the best and fastest but he never tested his actual bombs. Was it due to running out of time? Did he think they would work because he was so great at bragging about his explosives skills? Or did Eric know that he actually sucked at bombs so he gave up?

My thought is that if he truly thought he sucked he would have given up that part of the plan and worked harder on a Plan B. As it was they had nothing. They ran around like deer in headlights not knowing what to do. As such their victim count suffered. As slippy stated they could have just run into the commons guns blazing but instead they took shots at a handful of kids in the yard giving a lot of potential victims time to run and hide.

The fact that they had no other plan shows me that they really thought the original plan was going to work fine

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My feelings are the exact opposite. I think they were both smart enough to know the chances of those bombs exploding were minimal at best, which is why they so quickly moved forward with the shooting.

I am not sure.  Eric did so many tests with pipe bombs and other explosives to see what blew the best and fastest but he never tested his actual bombs.  Was it due to running out of time?  Did he think they would work because he was so great at bragging about his explosives skills? Or did Eric know that he actually sucked at bombs so he gave up?

My thought is that if he truly thought he sucked he would have given up that part of the plan and worked harder on a Plan B.  As it was they had nothing.  They ran around like deer in headlights not knowing what to do.  As such their victim count suffered.  As slippy stated they could have just run into the commons guns blazing but instead they took shots at a handful of kids in the yard giving a lot of potential victims time to run and hide.  

The fact that they had no other plan shows me that they really thought the original plan was going to work fine

Exactly Liz! There were 400+ students who were sitting ducks 100 feet away in the cafeteria, yet they decided to shoot randomly outside even wasting time trying to hit kids 100's of yards away out on the sports fields. If they had a thorough plan b, or even thought things through more clearly they could have easily killed dozens of students in 30 seconds. That clearly shows to me that their arrogance got the best of them, which in turn saved alot of kids that day, so I guess it was a blessing in disguise.
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My feelings are the exact opposite. I think they were both smart enough to know the chances of those bombs exploding were minimal at best, which is why they so quickly moved forward with the shooting.

I am not sure.  Eric did so many tests with pipe bombs and other explosives to see what blew the best and fastest but he never tested his actual bombs.  Was it due to running out of time?  Did he think they would work because he was so great at bragging about his explosives skills? Or did Eric know that he actually sucked at bombs so he gave up?

My thought is that if he truly thought he sucked he would have given up that part of the plan and worked harder on a Plan B.  As it was they had nothing.  They ran around like deer in headlights not knowing what to do.  As such their victim count suffered.  As slippy stated they could have just run into the commons guns blazing but instead they took shots at a handful of kids in the yard giving a lot of potential victims time to run and hide.  

The fact that they had no other plan shows me that they really thought the original plan was going to work fine


Agreed. I do think Eric was just that arrogant. Also with as much time, money, and effort he wasted on the explosives, I fully believe he expected them to work.

In my opinion if Eric had any real doubts then he would have planned for them accordingly. The fact they went with a rushed and hasty plan B is just more proof that they thought the bombs would work.
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