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Did Dylan shoot himself with the TEC-9? That's what Wikipedia said but I don't see a TEC-9 in the picture.
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I believe (correct me if wrong) that the tec 9 is under Dylan's body The photos that you see of them dead are after they were moved. Dylan was rolled over. He used to be on his stomach. Now he is on his back for the photo.

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I believe  (correct me if wrong) that the tec 9 is under Dylan's body  The photos that you see of them dead are after they were moved.  Dylan was rolled over.  He used to be on his stomach.  Now he is on his back for the photo.


I have often wondered what the crime scene looked like BEFORE the SWAT members searched them and moved things around. scratch
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Would have been a thing to see. That is for sure

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I believe  (correct me if wrong) that the tec 9 is under Dylan's body  The photos that you see of them dead are after they were moved.  Dylan was rolled over.  He used to be on his stomach.  Now he is on his back for the photo.


I have often wondered what the crime scene looked like BEFORE the SWAT members searched them and moved things around. scratch
I am pretty sure, that they had took some photos before they moved the bodies. Well, they should do it.

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I believe  (correct me if wrong) that the tec 9 is under Dylan's body  The photos that you see of them dead are after they were moved.  Dylan was rolled over.  He used to be on his stomach.  Now he is on his back for the photo.


I have often wondered what the crime scene looked like BEFORE the SWAT members searched them and moved things around. scratch
 I am pretty sure, that they had took some photos before they moved the bodies. Well, they should do it.

I have actually wondered WHY they moved them without first taking crime photos. As that seriously compromised the crime scene. But I do get that they were looking for bombs on the bodies, etc.

This very issue has been debated for a long time, some think that the leaked suicide pics were taken before they had been moved, but that was later proved false. The pictures were snapped after E&D had been searched.
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I have actually wondered WHY they moved them without first taking crime photos. As that seriously compromised the crime scene.

Not to defend sloppy police work, but Columbine wasn't exactly a hard case to crack. They knew who did it, who died, where it happened, all they really needed to know was "how" and "why".

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the primary focus was removing any other weapons or bombs anything that could hurt anyone as others could still be hiding in the building. So in theory I understand why it was done.

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I have actually wondered WHY they moved them without first taking crime photos. As that seriously compromised the crime scene.

Not to defend sloppy police work, but Columbine wasn't exactly a hard case to crack. They knew who did it, who died, where it happened, all they really needed to know was "how" and "why".
I still think that it's was important, because when police approached the library they didn't knew if boys really committed suicide or was killed by one of them.

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Either way the fact that the bodies were moved then photographed sparked a few different controversies.
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You can see the handle of the TEC-9 inder Dylan's knee. Where his right hand is.

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The fact that they have moved the body of Eric and Dylan is one more element of the conspiracy theory,

just moved to make a nice picture, the bodies have a dramatic postur.

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The fact that they have moved the body of Eric and Dylan is one more element of the conspiracy theory,

just moved to make a nice picture, the bodies have a dramatic postur.


I still would've liked to have seen what the scene looked like BEFORE anything was moved.
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Brooks brown said in his book that Eric killed Dylan then himself

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Brooks brown said in his book that Eric killed Dylan then himself

It has been proven that Eric killed himself first, then Dylan followed shortly after.

Also I have read Brooks book a few times and have never found that written anywhere.
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Brooks brown said in his book that Eric killed Dylan then himself

It has been proven that Eric killed himself first, then Dylan followed shortly after.

Also I have read Brooks book a few times and have never found that written anywhere.

I’ve heard Judy and Randy think Eric killed Dylan but I’ve never read an exact quote.

That’s been another conspiracy theory. She’s also convinced Dylan had a crush on Rachel.

Dylan changed crushes like people change underwear. So who knows? I doubt it. But to be honest if he really did like Rachel all he had to do was ask Devon to talk to her. Devon and her were really close.
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I still would've liked to have seen what the scene looked like BEFORE anything was moved.

Well to be blunt, it just isn't that important. It's a rather minor piece of the puzzle we're talking about.

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Brooks brown said in his book that Eric killed Dylan then himself

It has been proven that Eric killed himself first, then Dylan followed shortly after.

Also I have read Brooks book a few times and have never found that written anywhere.

I’ve heard Judy and Randy think Eric killed Dylan but I’ve never read an exact quote.

That’s been another conspiracy theory. She’s also convinced Dylan had a crush on Rachel.

Dylan changed crushes like people change underwear. So who knows? I doubt it.  But to be honest if he really did like Rachel all he had to do was ask Devon to talk to her. Devon and her were really close.


I know A LOT of people at one time believed that Eric had killed Dylan then himself. It was one of the most highly debated conspiracy for a long time. I was just making light of the fact that it had been proven false.

Also that I have been through Brooks book numerous times and had just never come across that particular accusation. Smile
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I still would've liked to have seen what the scene looked like BEFORE anything was moved.

Well to be blunt, it just isn't that important. It's a rather minor piece of the puzzle we're talking about.


I really wouldn't consider body placement in a crime scene as a minor detail, BUT I will agree that it isn't the most important piece of the puzzle. Smile
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Brooks brown said in his book that Eric killed Dylan then himself

It has been proven that Eric killed himself first, then Dylan followed shortly after.

Also I have read Brooks book a few times and have never found that written anywhere.

I’ve heard Judy and Randy think Eric killed Dylan but I’ve never read an exact quote.

That’s been another conspiracy theory. She’s also convinced Dylan had a crush on Rachel.

Dylan changed crushes like people change underwear. So who knows? I doubt it.  But to be honest if he really did like Rachel all he had to do was ask Devon to talk to her. Devon and her were really close.


I know A LOT of people at one time believed that Eric had killed Dylan then himself. It was one of the most highly debated conspiracy for a long time. I was just making light of the fact that it had been proven false.

Also that I have been through Brooks book numerous times and had just never come across that particular accusation. Smile

I haven't either Smile

Though I'm trying to find where I saw Judy saying it.
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I have only read that Judy thought that Eric lured Dylan into it the age old myth but I haven't read anything before that I recall from them stating that he killed Dylan Would be interested to see it if you find it

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I think eric was also in another position before that picture was taken. I read somewhere that he was in sitting position and as they moved him a pool of blood flew out of his head.
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How interesting, didn't knew it. Seems like it still so much to research.

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How interesting, didn't knew it. Seems like it still so much to research.
I don‘t find the source right now :/. I think a swat member reported it. Correct me if I‘m wrong, but i definetely read it somewhere.
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It’s true, you can see a small stain in one of the pictures where Eric’s brain fell out.

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I know part of Eric's skull broke and blood and brain matter came out when he was moved to the body bag but I thought that was from then not from when they moved to check for weapons

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quality of those suicide images some floating in internet is so utterly bad, and it not easy to see any small details.
better resolution images was ever released or?

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we not gonna get anything.
but there is a still smaaaaal hope deep inside me that someone made a copy of BT.

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we not gonna get anything.
but there is a still smaaaaal hope deep inside me that someone made a copy of BT.

it takes a lot of money,

with money we can have everything

(not for the basement tapes, but with money you can have any evidence, photo, video, etc..)

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I know part of Eric's skull broke and blood and brain matter came out when he was moved to the body bag but I thought that was from then not from when they moved to check for weapons
you are right. It was when they moved him in a body bag. So then it's probably eric's originally position in the suicide pic.
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we not gonna get anything.
but there is a still smaaaaal hope deep inside me that someone made a copy of BT.

it takes a lot of money,

with money we can have everything

(not for the basement tapes, but with money you can have any evidence, photo, video, etc..)

If the basement tapes were ever made available for a certain set cost, I am very sure that we would all pool our money and buy them! Haha
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Jea wrote:
we not gonna get anything.
but there is a still smaaaaal hope deep inside me that someone made a copy of BT.

it takes a lot of money,

with money we can have everything

(not for the basement tapes, but with money you can have any evidence, photo, video, etc..)

If the basement tapes were ever made available for a certain set cost, I am very sure that we would all pool our money and buy them! Haha

Absolutely

Though the profits would probably have to go to charity because who would pocket the money from the basement tapes? Wasn’t that one of the controversies around sue k writing and selling a book
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Jea wrote:
we not gonna get anything.
but there is a still smaaaaal hope deep inside me that someone made a copy of BT.

it takes a lot of money,

with money we can have everything

(not for the basement tapes, but with money you can have any evidence, photo, video, etc..)

If the basement tapes were ever made available for a certain set cost, I am very sure that we would all pool our money and buy them! Haha

Absolutely

Though the profits would probably have to go to charity because who would pocket the money from the basement tapes? Wasn’t that one of the controversies around sue k writing and selling a book

Sad to say but I wouldn't care who got the money, as long as we would finally get those damned tapes! Smile
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MrHorror93700 wrote:
Jea wrote:
we not gonna get anything.
but there is a still smaaaaal hope deep inside me that someone made a copy of BT.

it takes a lot of money,

with money we can have everything

(not for the basement tapes, but with money you can have any evidence, photo, video, etc..)

If the basement tapes were ever made available for a certain set cost, I am very sure that we would all pool our money and buy them! Haha
But who would actually get them?
(Also is it just me or do you have a new signature?)
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we not gonna get anything.
but there is a still smaaaaal hope deep inside me that someone made a copy of BT.

it takes a lot of money,

with money we can have everything

(not for the basement tapes, but with money you can have any evidence, photo, video, etc..)

If the basement tapes were ever made available for a certain set cost, I am very sure that we would all pool our money and buy them! Haha
But who would actually get them?
(Also is it just me or do you have a new signature?)

Yeah would we be able to buy them like as citizens or would a company get them. Would it be something where you could just buy them like the diversion reports?
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Sad to say but I wouldn't care who got the money, as long as we would finally get those damned tapes! Smile
lol, so true. It will the best BDay/Christmas gift ever.

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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
MrHorror93700 wrote:
Jea wrote:
we not gonna get anything.
but there is a still smaaaaal hope deep inside me that someone made a copy of BT.

it takes a lot of money,

with money we can have everything

(not for the basement tapes, but with money you can have any evidence, photo, video, etc..)

If the basement tapes were ever made available for a certain set cost, I am very sure that we would all pool our money and buy them! Haha
But who would actually get them?
(Also is it just me or do you have a new signature?)

I wouldn't care about that either as long as I got a copy or at least got to see them.  Very Happy

An yes I did change part of my signature.  Smile
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I know part of Eric's skull broke and blood and brain matter came out when he was moved to the body bag but I thought that was from then not from when they moved to check for weapons

This is correct, when they went to lift Eric to take his body out of the school, brain matter fell out of his head wound, and you can see the stain in the pictures taken after the bodies were taken out.
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There’s also video taken after where you see the places everyone died and you see that stain as a well Sad

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Weren't the basement tapes destroyed?
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If the basement tapes were ever made available for a certain set cost, I am very sure that we would all pool our money and buy them! Haha

Weren't the basement tapes destroyed?

Supposedly yes, but we were speaking in hypothetical terms. Haha
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it's absolutely not possible,
it's a piece of evidence, it can not be destroyed

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it's absolutely not possible,
it's a piece of evidence, it can not be destroyed


Well this is Jeffco we are talking about so anything is possible. I have little doubt that they got rid of everything they could.
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Yea truth is we will never know
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Yea truth is we will never know

Probably not, but one can still hope that somewhere out there a copy of the basement tapes is stashed away and will one day make its way to the light.
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Eric was not moved because the SWAT team could see he was not booby trapped.
but Dylan was moved because he was laying on his stomach and they must of thought he was booby trapped.

oh and also i don't believe there are photos before they were moved because the people that took the photos were not allowed in until the place was searched for bombs.
and if there were original photos they most likely would have been destroyed or something like that
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