Parkland activist bullied Cruz?

This clip has been making the rounds for a while now, but I wanted to get everyone's take on it:


She says, "Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him, you didn't know this kid." The implication is, "Yeah, we ostracized him, because he was such a weirdo."

Bullying has largely dropped off the radar screen.

I was just going to post this seconds ago!!

To me, I get very emotional about this because of my own personal experiences. This is the kind of girl that probably would’ve bullied me in high school too. I was probably too weird and ugly for her to associate with. I also believe Eric and Dylan were bullied. So yeah if she wants people on her side she probably shouldn’t admit it. She’s becoming a bit of the Evan Todd.

Though she could be saying it in anger. Your remember what Zach said about Dylan after and that was supposedly his best friend.

I will say that if this girl and the others had stood up and spoke out about Nikolas Cruz being bullied for years as hard as they are now fighting for gun control after he finally snapped, then it may have changed what happened.  

She supposedly saw it going on for years and tried to justify it by saying "You didn't know this kid, we did!"  I would LOVE to ask her where all the anger and tears were when she saw a kid being picked on and treated like shit.  This is why I really can't like this girl.

Cruz needed help, that was plain to see. Yet they couldn't be bothered about caring until he had reached rock bottom and didn't care anymore himself. Then 17 people paid with their lives.

Cruz was failed by pretty much everyone he came into contact with. No doubt what he did was horrible, but watching someone get beat down for years and ONLY calling foul after he kills 17 people is horrible too.

In my opinion the blame for what happened can be spread far and wide in this case.

LPorter101 wrote:

This clip has been making the rounds for a while now, but I wanted to get everyone's take on it:


She says, "Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him, you didn't know this kid." The implication is, "Yeah, we ostracized him, because he was such a weirdo."

Bullying has largely dropped off the radar screen.

I never liked this girl, but my opinion of her now has dropped considerably. What a bitch.

Watching that honestly put me into tears considering what i had to go through in my life.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I will say that if this girl and the others had stood up and spoke out about Nikolas Cruz being bullied for years as hard as they are now fighting for gun control after he finally snapped, then it may have changed what happened.  

She supposedly saw it going on for years and tried to justify it by saying "You didn't know this kid, we did!"  I would LOVE to ask her where all the anger and tears were when she saw a kid being picked on and treated like shit.  This is why I really can't like this girl.

Cruz needed help, that was plain to see. Yet they couldn't be bothered about caring until he had reached rock bottom and didn't care anymore himself. Then 17 people paid with their lives.

Cruz was failed by pretty much everyone he came into contact with. No doubt what he did was horrible, but watching someone get beat down for years and ONLY calling foul after he kills 17 people is horrible too.

In my opinion the blame for what happened can be spread far and wide in this case.

exactly what happened when my old bullies met some acquaintances of mine at my new school. when my acquaintances said i was nice, they said that i was violent and angry (i wonder why lol) it was so fucking annoying. my violence was actually anxiety attacks and my anger was depression, but they didn't care.

If anyone looks into Cruz's background, they will understand he isn't a likable person. He is aggressively and verbally violent. I wouldn't expect many students to line up and befriend him. Instead, I expect most students to stay away from him.  

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He may have acted that way for people to leave him alone. I think that’s why sometimes Dylan lashed out like he did in gym.

philosopher_king wrote:

If anyone looks into Cruz's background, they will understand he isn't a likable person. He is aggressively and verbally violent. I wouldn't expect many students to line up and befriend him. Instead, I expect most students to stay away from him.  

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that girl is not telling the full story. why would he randomly do that? she did something to him. also, i think he could tell she was faking her niceness during tutoring.

Sue and Devon both said love is not enough to stop something like this or get someone cured from their mental illnesses but you don't have to be a dick.You don't have to be friends with everyone but you don't have to be cruel.

I know I am mentioning Dylan again but Eldigato, you brought up a good point. There were people who would mention how they wanted to be "nice' to Dylan and felt bad and on girl said she tried to be his science partner but he flipped out. I am not sure how he "flipped out" but she may have reached out in a way that was fake or maybe she called him out and he got embarrassed, like EVERYONE saw that he didn't have a partner and it seems like someone like Dylan would have been really embarrassed. I believe Sue once called out for Dylan at school while picking him up or somewhere like that and Dylan asked his mom not to yell his name again.

Cruz was a loose cannon so i don't blame other kids for keeping their distance.

I blame the adults and authorities for not getting a handle on him.

W.A.R. wrote:

Cruz was a loose cannon so i don't blame other kids for keeping their distance.

I blame the adults and authorities for not getting a handle on him.

I have to be honest, I don't blame keeping distance. I venture a guess that he may have acted a bit like Eric did? I think Dylan acted far more personable and tried to make friends than Eric did. I don't think you should torment a kid though. When you admit to bullying a troubled kid that doesn't make you good. Don't poke the bear.

Yes, I agree that the adults failed him, the system failed him.

It's a vicious cycle.

I'm not saying this is the case in Parkland but sometimes kids who are bullied act "scary" so people don't hurt them. "I am whatever you say I am"

Ironic how she wants to ban guns to prevent further tragedies from happening but she's one of the reasons the shooting happened in the first place the fucking bitch.

As usual ppl who bullied perpetrator is survived and how on media with their very important opinion, and innocent kids just died there.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I venture a guess that he may have acted a bit like Eric did?

From what I understand Cruz was significantly more dysfunctional and aggressive than Eric.

W.A.R. wrote:

Cruz was a loose cannon so i don't blame other kids for keeping their distance.

I blame the adults and authorities for not getting a handle on him.

Cruz was drowning in red flags, both hands up as he struggled and gasped for air. As I said before he was let down by almost every one he knew. From the adults in his life, down to his classmates. The counselors, school officials, police, even the FBI stood by and watched this kid going under and did NOTHING. In my opinion the last few I listed deserves the most blame.

I don't blame the kids if they ONLY kept their distance. But if they were actively bullying this already screwed up kid, then I think they need to own up to that and shoulder a wee bit of the blame as well. Seriously if you cant better the situation, then for f*cks sake don't make it worse!

QuestionMark wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I venture a guess that he may have acted a bit like Eric did?

From what I understand Cruz was significantly more dysfunctional and aggressive than Eric.

He was worse the Eric ever dared to be in that regard.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I venture a guess that he may have acted a bit like Eric did?

From what I understand Cruz was significantly more dysfunctional and aggressive than Eric.

He was worse the Eric ever dared to be in that regard.

Yea, I'm not sure how I came up with that one last night, I agree, I don't think Eric was as nearly as bad.

There's a difference in staying away from someone and blatantly bullying someone. It sounds like many people are interpreting it as she and her friends just stayed away from him.. I don't know, I just get a different read.

It could turn into a slippery slope because some kids are deemed “scary” because of the way they look or dress.

Screamingophelia wrote:

It sounds like many people are interpreting it as she and her friends just stayed away from him

Well thats how i interpreted what she said.  

Anyone that antagonized him is not only an asshole but also an idiot.

Regardless if they bullied Cruz or not, they seem to unlikable cocky douchebags either way. I heard that some of the student activists such as Gonzales and Hogg that came out of Parkland weren't even in the same building where the shooting took place in, hell I even seen people claim of some them weren't even at school on that day, I don't if that true or not but if that's the case, they really like being in the limelight of the tragedy.

I also seen one of them claim that they are going to be "the last school shooting", I know it may seem awful to say this but someone really needs to give them a reality check and tell them that Parkland is just going to be one of many future school shootings in America unfortunately.

Anyone else feel the same way about them?

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

Regardless if they bullied Cruz or not, they seem to unlikable cocky douchebags either way. I heard that some of the student activists such as Gonzales and Hogg that came out of Parkland weren't even in the same building where the shooting took place in, hell I even seen people claim of some them weren't even at school on that day, I don't if that true or not but if that's the case, they really like being in the limelight of the tragedy.

I also seen one of them claim that they are going to be "the last school shooting", I know it may seem awful to say this but someone really needs to give them a reality check and tell them that Parkland is just going to be one of many future school shootings in America unfortunately.

Anyone else feel the same way about them?  

For me I would much rather hear them demanding change on ALL aspects of what lead to this tragedy, NOT just the weapon that was used.

This happened because Nikolas Cruz went on for years struggling with mental issues, sending out countless red flags and was still ignored.

In my opinion until the issues that allowed him to be able to slip through the cracks are looked at and fixed, then things like this will continue to happen.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

For me I would much rather hear them demanding change on ALL aspects of what lead to this tragedy, NOT just the weapon that was used.

This happened because Nikolas Cruz went on for years struggling with mental issues, sending out countless red flags and was still ignored.  

In my opinion until the issues that allowed him to be able to slip through the cracks are looked at and fixed, then things like this will continue to happen.  

Did anyone even mention the failures of the adults/authorities at the march?

W.A.R. wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

For me I would much rather hear them demanding change on ALL aspects of what lead to this tragedy, NOT just the weapon that was used.

This happened because Nikolas Cruz went on for years struggling with mental issues, sending out countless red flags and was still ignored.  

In my opinion until the issues that allowed him to be able to slip through the cracks are looked at and fixed, then things like this will continue to happen.  

Did anyone even mention the failures of the adults/authorities at the march?

If these failures were talked about it was likely done in passing and didn't get much attention. This had been turned almost completely into a movement against guns.

I almost get this feeling from a lot of the advocates . I could be misinterpreting it of course. Even though they’ve been advocating for safe spaces and inclusivity for years NOW you’re not supposed to reach out to kids and you should ostracize them.

I don't know but Emma's and David's voices makes me cringe.

In my opinion they are being good little parrots. Also as insensitive as it may be,  I must say that if I have to see one more picture of Emma's crocodile tears I will scream. They must follow her around and wait for the perfect moment to take the picture.  

Also Hunter Pollack's sister Meadow was killed during the shooting and yet he wasn't allowed to speak at the march. That should tell you something.

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

Regardless if they bullied Cruz or not, they seem to unlikable cocky douchebags either way. I heard that some of the student activists such as Gonzales and Hogg that came out of Parkland weren't even in the same building where the shooting took place in, hell I even seen people claim of some them weren't even at school on that day, I don't if that true or not but if that's the case, they really like being in the limelight of the tragedy.

I also seen one of them claim that they are going to be "the last school shooting", I know it may seem awful to say this but someone really needs to give them a reality check and tell them that Parkland is just going to be one of many future school shootings in America unfortunately.

Anyone else feel the same way about them?  

I do. I feel like they're just trying to get there 15 minutes of especially Hogg and Gonzales, to me they both seem like know it all, narcissistic, arrogant pricks.

Speaking on this subject, Emma is getting completely trashed on several Tumblr blogs at the moment.

A few are making some good, actual valid points, but most are just being catty and brutal.




Just found this.  They are going in HARD AF!
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She’s incurred the wrath of the fan girls. Last time this happened it was the Eric Harris Fan girls against Evan Todd.

I don’t condone any kind of harassment against anyone, but I think what Evan Todd said was a lot worse than what Emma said. I also think it was saying that that that that he was a library survivor and he was let go. I would take every chance I could just be the kindest most thankful person.

Screamingophelia wrote:

She’s incurred the wrath of the fan girls.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I almost get this feeling from a lot of the advocates . I could be misinterpreting it of course. Even though they’ve been advocating for safe spaces and inclusivity for years NOW you’re not supposed to reach out to kids and you should ostracize them.

See, "safe spaces" and "inclusivity" just means "no straight white people" in reality.

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

Regardless if they bullied Cruz or not, they seem to unlikable cocky douchebags either way. I heard that some of the student activists such as Gonzales and Hogg that came out of Parkland weren't even in the same building where the shooting took place in, hell I even seen people claim of some them weren't even at school on that day, I don't if that true or not but if that's the case, they really like being in the limelight of the tragedy.

I also seen one of them claim that they are going to be "the last school shooting", I know it may seem awful to say this but someone really needs to give them a reality check and tell them that Parkland is just going to be one of many future school shootings in America unfortunately.

Anyone else feel the same way about them?  

There are always going to be mass shootings. They are so delusional and think that getting rid of weapons will somehow make homicidal people give up.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Speaking on this subject, Emma is getting completely trashed on several Tumblr blogs at the moment.

A few are making some good, actual valid points, but most are just being catty and brutal.




Just found this.  They are going in HARD AF!
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Still kind of funny, she's a wicked girl and deserves it.

I've gone into full raeg and the venting thread is inaccessible so here goes:

WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK THEY HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE OF GETTING SHOT NOW WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THE AR 15 THEY ALL ARE GOING TO DIE ONE DAY! WHAT ABOUT CHO? HE USED PISTOLS LAST TIME I CHECKED! ANDERS USED A GUN THAT IS LEGAL IN ALL STATES BUT DOES THE SAME AS THE AR15! WHY ARE THEY SO DUMB AND WHY IS EMMA SO SNARKY AND RUDE TO EVERYONE SHE'S CONSTANTLY SPEWING LIES BECAUSE SCREW ACTUALLY CARING ABOUT MENTALLY ILL KIDS WHICH WOULD'VE ACTUALLY HELPED ITS THE GUNS FAULT AM I RIGHT???? ITS THE GUNS FAULT A SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL CHILD WHO IS SO TRAPPED CAN ONLY GET HELP VOLUNTARILY UNLESS HE DOES A CRIME! GOD, SHES PARTLY AT FAULT FOR THE DEAD KIDS!

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Whats the source?

QuestionMark wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I almost get this feeling from a lot of the advocates . I could be misinterpreting it of course. Even though they’ve been advocating for safe spaces and inclusivity for years NOW you’re not supposed to reach out to kids and you should ostracize them.

See, "safe spaces" and "inclusivity" just means "no straight white people" in reality.

There are brutal massacres all over the world as well and no one talks about that. Also no one mentions Virginia Tech... Cho was Korean.

This girl is such a disgrace to me. Just because someone is "weird" doesn't give anybody a right to bully them. But the fact she is using this tragedy to garner attention after being a potential catalyst in why it even happened is truly abhorrent. She should be ignored and given a serious reality check. Pitiful.

There is actually some rumors floating around social media that a student from MSD high school has a video that may show this Emma girl making fun of Nikolas Cruz. So far this person has not posted it because they are afraid of backlash. I am actively following this, as I truly feel if it is true then it NEEDS to be shown.

I also had come across a quote talking about the Parkland shooting somewhere saying something along the lines of "They don't want to end the bullying and violence, they just want to keep the victims unarmed" and this actually hurt my soul to read. Because in a way I think it is very sad and yet all to true all at the same time.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There is actually some rumors floating around social media that a student from MSD high school has a video that may show this Emma girl making fun of Nikolas Cruz. So far this person has not posted it because they are afraid of backlash. I am actively following this, as I truly feel if it is true then it NEEDS to be shown.

I also had come across a quote talking about the Parkland shooting somewhere saying something along the lines of "They don't want to end the bullying and violence, they just want to keep the victims unarmed" and this actually hurt my soul to read. Because in a way I think it is very sad and yet all to true all at the same time.

It shocks me how many of my friends are on this girl side. Normally really nice people are now saying it was OK to bully this kid. It’s OK to bully people that are “strange” Then they claim that no shooting was caused in anyway by bulk . I mention Columbine and they mention Cullens book and I’m like oh no sit-down it’s time for school you.

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There is actually some rumors floating around social media that a student from MSD high school has a video that may show this Emma girl making fun of Nikolas Cruz. So far this person has not posted it because they are afraid of backlash. I am actively following this, as I truly feel if it is true then it NEEDS to be shown.

I also had come across a quote talking about the Parkland shooting somewhere saying something along the lines of "They don't want to end the bullying and violence, they just want to keep the victims unarmed" and this actually hurt my soul to read. Because in a way I think it is very sad and yet all to true all at the same time.

It shocks me how many of my friends are on this girl side. Normally really nice people are now saying it was OK to bully this kid.  It’s OK to bully people that are “strange”  Then they claim that no shooting was caused in anyway by bulk . I mention Columbine and they mention Cullens book and I’m like oh no sit-down it’s time for school you.

I seriously get very heated on issues like this. I mean its not like you have to try to be someone's bestest best friend!

But if you can't be around a person for whatever reason, then for everyone's sake just LEAVE THEM BE! I am amazed at how many people, even adults that have yet to learn the simple rule of "If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all"

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There is actually some rumors floating around social media that a student from MSD high school has a video that may show this Emma girl making fun of Nikolas Cruz. So far this person has not posted it because they are afraid of backlash. I am actively following this, as I truly feel if it is true then it NEEDS to be shown.

I also had come across a quote talking about the Parkland shooting somewhere saying something along the lines of "They don't want to end the bullying and violence, they just want to keep the victims unarmed" and this actually hurt my soul to read. Because in a way I think it is very sad and yet all to true all at the same time.

It shocks me how many of my friends are on this girl side. Normally really nice people are now saying it was OK to bully this kid.  It’s OK to bully people that are “strange”  Then they claim that no shooting was caused in anyway by bulk . I mention Columbine and they mention Cullens book and I’m like oh no sit-down it’s time for school you.

I seriously get very heated on issues like this. I mean its not like you have to try to be someone's bestest best friend!

But if you can't be around a person for whatever reason, then for everyone's sake just LEAVE THEM BE! I am amazed at how many people, even adults that have yet to learn the simple rule of "If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all"

I completely agree. It is ridiculous.You don’t have to walk up to someone that scares you or is being violent but you don’t have to poke the bear so to speak. Nicholas Cruz needed a lot more help than any kid could give him of course. However someone like Eric and Dylan I don’t think kindness could’ve stop them or cured Dylan’s depression but I think they would’ve felt better if they weren’t bullied

lets say this, boom, some how there are NO guns in america not even a 22. lr. Only cops have guns. I think we will see a shit load more bombings, like, timothy mcveigh didn't shoot anyone during his bombing, but he still killed 168 people. And of course, there were smaller bombings, even recently that bomber down in texas. People take what they can get, yeah, it is easier to use a gun, but if you take that, I think there would be more bombings. And people like to say "go look at like london or some shit, they have no mass shootings" Yeah, but they have truck rammers and stabbings. if we got rid of guns then we would have rammers, stabbers, and bombers. You can do what ever you can to make it so some one can't kill a ton of people, but to stop it, you gotta make it so they don't want to kill a ton of people.

Population Control wrote:

lets say this, boom, some how there are NO guns in america not even a 22. lr. Only cops have guns. I think we will see a shit load more bombings, like, timothy mcveigh didn't shoot anyone during his bombing, but he still killed 168 people. And of course, there were smaller bombings, even recently that bomber down in texas. People take what they can get, yeah, it is easier to use a gun, but if you take that, I think there would be more bombings. And people like to say "go look at like london or some shit, they have no mass shootings" Yeah, but they have truck rammers and stabbings. if we got rid of guns then we would have rammers, stabbers, and bombers. You can do what ever you can to make it so some one can't kill a ton of people, but to stop it, you gotta make it so they don't want to kill a ton of people.

Exactly! This isn't a weapon issue, this is a frame of mind issue.

Until we seriously look at what causes someone to carry out such acts, then taking away guns will change nothing BESIDES the choice of weapon.

The shooting people always go back to is Columbine And 99% of people don’t realize it was a failed bombing. If the bombs went off they could’ve killed a lot more people than other mass shootings.Storming the school with guns was the second option. I think that part was Dylan’s idea and bombing was of course Eric’s.

Population Control wrote:

lets say this, boom, some how there are NO guns in america not even a 22. lr. Only cops have guns. I think we will see a shit load more bombings, like, timothy mcveigh didn't shoot anyone during his bombing, but he still killed 168 people. And of course, there were smaller bombings, even recently that bomber down in texas. People take what they can get, yeah, it is easier to use a gun, but if you take that, I think there would be more bombings. And people like to say "go look at like london or some shit, they have no mass shootings" Yeah, but they have truck rammers and stabbings. if we got rid of guns then we would have rammers, stabbers, and bombers. You can do what ever you can to make it so some one can't kill a ton of people, but to stop it, you gotta make it so they don't want to kill a ton of people.

I agree there would still be some cases of things like bombings - however, Columbine has taught us that these are tricky plans to pull off. Successful ones like McVeigh & Breivik seem to require a shit load of money, skill and time that high school kids won’t have. Stabbings could increase you’re right, but I know which i’d rather face between a gunman and a knife-wielding maniac.

I think if there weren’t any guns available to someone like Lanza for example, I don’t think he would have gone on any sort of rampage at all.

Draw_It_White wrote:

Population Control wrote:

lets say this, boom, some how there are NO guns in america not even a 22. lr. Only cops have guns. I think we will see a shit load more bombings, like, timothy mcveigh didn't shoot anyone during his bombing, but he still killed 168 people. And of course, there were smaller bombings, even recently that bomber down in texas. People take what they can get, yeah, it is easier to use a gun, but if you take that, I think there would be more bombings. And people like to say "go look at like london or some shit, they have no mass shootings" Yeah, but they have truck rammers and stabbings. if we got rid of guns then we would have rammers, stabbers, and bombers. You can do what ever you can to make it so some one can't kill a ton of people, but to stop it, you gotta make it so they don't want to kill a ton of people.

I agree there would still be some cases of things like bombings - however, Columbine has taught us that these are tricky plans to pull off. Successful ones like McVeigh & Breivik seem to require a shit load of money, skill and time that high school kids won’t have. Stabbings could increase you’re right, but I know which i’d rather face between a gunman and a knife-wielding maniac.

I think if there weren’t any guns available to someone like Lanza for example, I don’t think he would have gone on any sort of rampage at all.

lanza had knives and swords + a spear +sword combo thingy. he wouldve probably improvised and cut the power + wiring and just stabbed kids in the dark or just throw molotovs into the room and make the kids burn, you dont have to be smart to make a molotov. also the dedicated might put there bombs in other places instead of there school if they cant go inside it so we may see daycares and bridges being bombed. we need to study the minds of these shooters and find out how to stop them and help then rather than pretending to care for a bit than using it for propaganda. people just protest about guns for a week or 2 then stop caring...

eldigato wrote:

lanza had knives and swords + a spear +sword combo thingy. he wouldve probably improvised and cut the power + wiring and just stabbed kids in the dark 

I doubt that it would be like that, I think he would wait for school to end and stab kids coming out.

QuestionMark wrote:

eldigato wrote:

lanza had knives and swords + a spear +sword combo thingy. he wouldve probably improvised and cut the power + wiring and just stabbed kids in the dark 

I doubt that it would be like that, I think he would wait for school to end and stab kids coming out.

no. he was a skinny kid with sensory issues.

hypocrites. they think it's ok to DESTROY SOMEONE'S LIFE but it isn't ok to shoot them? What is going on with this kid's head?
It's not like i support the shootings but please if you don't want shootings never harm in the first place.

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Tuga wrote:

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Whats the source?

Well it is in full display. A politically and emotionally charged, rationally devoid YouTube channel with a circa 20 second clip that peddles conspiracy theories against someone out of a petty reason, having different opinions on gun control. If you consider this to be a genuine person behind it, you might as well believe in the gender pay gap.