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Subject: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:19 pm
North of Downtown Toronto a driver in a white van mowed down pedestrians in a busy street. Details are emerging, conflicting infos: There are some fatalities and between 8 - 10 people have been hit by the van. The suspect is in custody and is being questioned by police.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:36 pm
True. I live in the GTA. It occurred in North York at Yonge and Finch st. 4 dead total so far. 3 still on scene waiting for coroner. 1 women died at Sunnybrook hospital. 4 in critical 1 in stable condition also at Sunnybrook hospital. The man responsible was arrested after attempting suicide by cop. Van was rented. Its all over our news channels.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:40 pm
"At this point it's too early to tell what if any motive there was. We are also unable right now to tell the extent or the number of persons injured," Toronto police spokeswoman Meaghan Gray said.
A witness, Phil Zullo, told Canadian Press that he saw police arresting a man who had been driving a Ryder rental truck and saw people "strewn all over the road" where the incident occurred.
"It must have seen about five, six people being resuscitated by bystanders and by ambulance drivers," Zullo said. "It was awful. Brutal."
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:00 pm
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:02 pm
9 dead and 16 injured confirmed by Toronto Police 8 at Sunnybrook hospital which is under lockdown Terrorism is not suspected. Possibly suicide by police?
Van turned down Yonge St and accelerated down sidewalk. Driver was taken into custody. All over our local news station cp24
Heart breaking .
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:04 pm
Wonder what the motive was.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:04 pm
STK wrote:
Wonder what the motive was.
No word on that just yet.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:05 pm
They are asking people that live on Yonge to not go home tonight if possible and business's to close. 2 blocks of Yonge at Finch are closed for police investigation.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:09 pm
Oldmare wrote:
9 dead and 16 injured confirmed by Toronto Police 8 at Sunnybrook hospital which is under lockdown Terrorism is not suspected. Possibly suicide by police?
I was just reading up on Alexandre Bissonnette when this came in. Damn.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:10 pm
Witnesses are saying the driver was acting very angry and unstable and yelling at police to shoot him. He was gesturing as though he had a weapon. A TO officer took him into custody.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:15 pm
Sources confirmed to CBS News that the suspect has been identified as Alek Minassian, 25. Source: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] There is a CompSci student named Alek Minassian at Seneca College (Richmond Hill, Ontario). No other source has come forward with a name for the perpetrator.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:22 pm
The perpetrator's rented van: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:35 pm
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Wonder what the motive was.
My first guess would be the religion of peace but we won't know for sure for a while.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:03 pm
Video of the perpetrator getting arrested.
This is fascinating: Minute after minute one after the other newsoutlets and blogs copy the alleged name of the perpetrator, Alek Minassian. Now the UK DailyStar writes "Police have identified a suspect named as Alek Minassian." [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I hope for them that they got the right name.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:19 pm
This is the first time Toronto has seen something like this. Ive lived here over 25 years now and have never seen anything like this...tragic
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:23 pm
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] /pol/ already on the case.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:11 pm
"The Toronto suspect researched the Elliot Rodger massacre in California in 2014, it has been claimed"
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:47 pm
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:40 pm
Huh, guess its another incel killer.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:19 am
I am hoping no one I knew has died or has been injured. It is not far from where I grew up.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:20 am
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Huh, guess its another incel killer.
That's like the fourth one so far, right? Elliot, Chris Mercer, Nick Cruz, and now this guy.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:10 am
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That's like the fourth one so far, right? Elliot, Chris Mercer, Nick Cruz, and now this guy.
Sodini, Lepine, and Hennard were the proto incel-shooters.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:32 am
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"The Toronto suspect researched the Elliot Rodger massacre in California in 2014, it has been claimed"
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Looks like a 4Chan stunt to me. This screenshot surfaced first in a /pol/ thread. The wording
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Private (Recruit) Minassian Infantry 00010, wishing to speak to Sgt 4chan please. C23249161. The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We Will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!
sounds a little too chliché to be true.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:34 am
Maybe we need to ban vans, like the UK and Australia have done with guns?
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:42 am
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Maybe we need to ban vans, like the UK and Australia have done with guns?
These vehicle-ramming type attacks get kind of frequent. It's such an ugly and lazy method. Didn't Lanza write something to that effect? How he could not get into this method because it was too unpersonal?
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:31 am
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Looks like a 4Chan stunt to me. This screenshot surfaced first in a /pol/ thread.
Wouldn't surprise me.
I believe they also started the Cruz trained with a white supremacy group thing that the media ate up.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:48 am
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Hi, Elliot Rodger here.
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Tomorrow is the Day of Retribution.
CBS News really dug up Rodger from his grave and sliced part of his videos into their news report. It's really laughable. Then they proceede to explain incels and consult an expert to talk about incels, 4Chan, Reddit, Memes etc. If this is indeed a 4Chan stunt like Pizzagate, it's interesting to see it unfold.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:11 am
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Ziamber II wrote:
Maybe we need to ban vans, like the UK and Australia have done with guns?
These vehicle-ramming type attacks get kind of frequent. It's such an ugly and lazy method. Didn't Lanza write something to that effect? How he could not get into this method because it was too unpersonal?
Found the source in an e-mail from December 11, 2012:
Smiggles wrote:
I’m clueless about Olga Hepnarova. While granting that modus operandi really isn’t that important, I just can’t get into vehicular slaughterers. It seem too mediated, like using remote explosives (too hot). And knives stray too far from the whole “mass” aspect (too cold). The aesthetic of pistols tends to be just (sic) right.
Lanza used to phrase "too mediated".
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:49 am
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:10 am
One classmate, who worked on a project with him at Seneca in 2015, described Mr. Minassian as someone with a significant social or mental disability who had a hard time speaking to people, difficulty under pressure, and constant physical tics where he shook his hands and tapped his head.
The man said he heard that Mr. Minassian could code well.
One Seneca student in computer studies said Mr. Minassian had graduated from the program just last week.
Saying he did not want to be publicly identified as an associate of a suspected killer because he is currently being interviewed for summer internships, this Seneca student added that he didn’t think Mr. Minassian had lined up any work after college.
The student looking for internships said the Mr. Minassian who attended his school was a whiz with working with specialized computer chips known as graphical processing units. These chips have traditionally been used to help process images, but can also have other applications where they give computers a lot more processing power.
The student said he wouldn’t describe Mr. Minassian as a loner, exactly, because he would converse when necessary. But, he added, he didn’t interact well.
On Monday night police cordoned off a Richmond Hill home property records show belong to Vahe and Sona Minassian. Officers first arrived around 3:30 p.m., neighbours said. A Haig Minassian, three years older than Alek Minassian, has also listed the address as home in bankruptcy records.
In 2009, Sona Minassian was quoted in a story in the Richmond Hill Liberal lamenting that her son, who suffered from a form of autism called Asperger syndrome, was at risk of losing access to a special program called Helpmate that assisted the teen to “work though his cognitive barriers and prepare him for the workplace.”
Alek Minassian, the man accused of steering a white rental van down a packed Toronto street killing 10 people and leaving 15 others injured, apparently praised the killer in a 2014 attack near the University of California, Santa Barbara.
Just before Monday's deadly attack, Minassian wrote on his Facebook page: "All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:46 pm
Just before Monday's deadly attack, Minassian wrote on his Facebook page: "All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"
Good Grief.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:12 pm
Dunkelziffer wrote:
W.A.R. wrote:
"The Toronto suspect researched the Elliot Rodger massacre in California in 2014, it has been claimed"
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Looks like a 4Chan stunt to me. This screenshot surfaced first in a /pol/ thread. The wording
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Private (Recruit) Minassian Infantry 00010, wishing to speak to Sgt 4chan please. C23249161. The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We Will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!
sounds a little too chliché to be true.
Well I guess they have to do something else other than blame Sam Hyde every time.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:45 pm
He managed to kill more than his idol did, he must be happy now.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:26 pm
Ziamber II wrote:
Maybe we need to ban vans, like the UK and Australia have done with guns?
I wish they will ban knives and forks soon and world'll be finally safe.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:30 pm
Ziamber II wrote:
He managed to kill more than his idol did, he must be happy now.
Even a guy armed only with a white pedo van can kill more than Rodger.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:32 pm
MysteryMan wrote:
I wish they will ban knives and forks soon and world'll be finally safe.
Well we're off to a good start, we've already banned those scary looking zombie knifes.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:52 pm
Ziamber II wrote:
Maybe we need to ban vans, like the UK and Australia have done with guns?
The idiots here are gonna make restrictions soon that makes people unable to buy knives online.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:15 pm
Unfortunatley, i predict ISIS will attack using a van again, possibly in Euorpe this time.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:11 pm
InsaneIntruder wrote:
Ziamber II wrote:
Maybe we need to ban vans, like the UK and Australia have done with guns?
The idiots here are gonna make restrictions soon that makes people unable to buy knives online.
The UK was a mistake.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:38 am
After a number of videos surfacing in the last months of people getting shot while reaching for their toothbrush, it's great to see how Minassian was arrested. Worth mentioning.
Short overview:
Longer version with commentary on arresting procedures in general and practices of the Toronto police:
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:55 am
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The perfect hymn for vehicle ramming attacks?
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:04 am
Former High School classmate Reza Fakhteh spoke to Global News about Minassian. (Sounds like Minassian had a bit of a Furry phase before Furrys were a thing.):
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“He’d basically just purr and meow and act like a cat. I never heard him speak,” said Fakhteh, who graduated in 2009. “He’d literally act like a person who was trying to act like a cat.”
Seemingly harmless and innocent, Minassian appeared to live in his own world, he said. “He didn’t talk,” Fakhteh said. “He ran away from girls. If you bothered him, he might hiss at you.”
Toronto Police is investigating the Incel Rebellion (shouldn't that read the "Incel Uprising"?) facebook post allegedly posted by Minassian:
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... Det.-Sgt. Graham Gibson said at a news conference.
Then he “is alleged to have posted a cryptic message on Facebook,” the homicide detective said. The brief message read, “The Incel Rebellion has already begun … All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!”"
Facebook seemed to have confirmed the Incel Rebellion post came from the account belonging to Minassian. If that's really his wording, then I don' know...
Minassian briefly joined the Canadian military. Another rampage killer who was in the miliary / tried to join the military:
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The Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) confirmed in a statement to ABC News that Minassian was a member for about two months last year, from Aug. 23 to Oct. 25. He didn't complete his recruit training and requested to be voluntarily released from the forces after 16 days of the training, according to the CAF."
Minassian has been charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder and 13 counts of attempted murder and his next court hearing will be on May 10. He didn't enter a guilty or not-guilty plea. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:44 am
Before allegedly killing 10 people with a van in Toronto, Alek Minassian appeared to have posted a message on Facebook that linked him to a toxic online community of misogynists that has become the source of a growing pattern of violence.
The Facebook post, which authorities who spoke with NBC News believe came from Minassian, links Minassian to an online community known as “incels,” short for involuntary celibates. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation also reported that Facebook confirmed the authenticity of the post.
Self-described incels congregate mostly online, meeting in forums and message boards like Reddit and 4chan, and its offshoot site 8chan, to discuss their hopelessness with women in posts that are peppered with racist and misogynistic rants. “Chads” are incel-speak for good-looking men, who incels believe can’t be one of them. “Stacys” are the women who find “Chads” attractive.
The Facebook message also refers admiringly to Elliot Rodger, who killed six people in Isla Vista, California, in 2014, and left behind a manifesto and videos detailing his sexual frustration as the motivation for his violence.
Rodger has since emerged as a source of inspiration among the incel community.
“Private (Recruit) Minassian Infantry 00010, wishing to speak to Sgt 4chan please. C23249161. The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!” Minassian allegedly posted.
Minassian’s post spread quickly among the incel community, many of whom rushed to embrace him.
“I hope this guy wrote a manifesto because he could be our next new saint,” one poster wrote on incel.me, a forum where incels congregate.
While some posters questioned whether Minassian, 25, was a “fakecel”—the term for someone whose average looks disqualifies him from community membership—most hailed him as a hero of the movement.
“Spread that name, speak of his sacrifice for our cause, worship him for he gave his life for our future,” one poster wrote.
Another poster wondered whether Minassian might have been acting on his own March call to action for incels to commit mass murder and serial rapes, a post on incels.me which has since been removed.
“I want to see some mass food poisoning deaths, maybe a pipe bomb or two, or hopefully somebody finally uses a f---ing truck to just ram down [women] during a school parade or something, mix it up a little,” wrote BlkPillPres, whose username is a nod to the black pill, lingo in the incel community for coming to the realization that a woman will never have sex with them.
Violence perpetrated by men connected to misogynistic online communities has become systemic enough to warrant attention from organizations that track hate groups. The Southern Poverty Law Center added misogynistic organizations to their list of hate groups for the first time this year.
Holy Hell.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:41 am
Ugh. I can't even... Why don't they visit Amsterdam?!
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:40 am
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These vehicle-ramming type attacks get kind of frequent. It's such an ugly and lazy method. Didn't Lanza write something to that effect? How he could not get into this method because it was too unpersonal?
That's why people do it. Because it's lazy. All you have to do is get a car and drive it into a crowd of people. Simple as that. That's why they're so frequent, you don't need to plan it a lot, it doesn't require a ton of intellect to get a high score (while for a bombing for example it does) and even with strict gun laws you can still do it as countries would never ban cars.
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Subject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018 Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:47 am
"What are they going to suggest next, ban vehicles!?"
No, because vehicles, unlike guns, have a purpose outside of killing/injuring things. Glad I could shoot this stupid talking point down.
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