I wonder what Eric & Dylan would think about the current immigration crisis

If Eric and Dylan were still alive, I wonder what they would think of the current immigration crisis and immigrant children being in detention centers? Would Eric be for it and Dylan be against it? Or Vice versa or would both be against it?

Hi! I was just thinking about you the other day welcome back

Well to be honest most people think Eric would be a Trump supporter. If he calmed down a little bit he may not really care one way or another or he might just want stricter borders. He most assuredly would be a Republican and pro-gun anc anti PC. Or maybe he would’ve done a 180 and became peaceloving vegan pansexual.

Dylan is tricky... Dylan is tricky because I think he would be an independent or wouldn’t care. Though there was an interview with someone who said that he was talking about a crisis, I think it was the Bosnian? Dylan said why do we care about people not in our own country?

Screamingophelia wrote:

Hi! I was just thinking about you the other day welcome back

Well to be honest most people think Eric would be a Trump supporter. If he calmed down a little bit he may not really care one way or another or he might just want stricter borders. He most assuredly would be a Republican and pro-gun anc anti PC. Or maybe he would’ve done a 180 and became peaceloving vegan pansexual.

Dylan is tricky...  Dylan is tricky because I think he would be an independent or wouldn’t care. Though there was an interview with someone who said that he was talking about a crisis, I think it was the Bosnian? Dylan  said why do we care about people not in our own country?

Hi, thanks for thinking of me, that's so sweet! I've been busy writing my first novel (hooray!) Anyway, wow, yeah I was just watching the news this morning, after coming home from work and I saw the news coverage about immigration and I thought, "Eric would be like - "send them f*****g assholes back" and I thought Dylan would have a heart for the immigrant children, because he seemed like the sensitive, softer one, but it would be interesting to know what they thought about it though, especially since Eric came from a military background.

Dylan's parents were fairly liberal so in his "right mind" he might have inherited their politics. Kids do that a lot. We will never really know, though. As far as Dylan being the softer more sensitive one... that is Cullen rubbish.

Justjenna wrote:

Dylan's parents were fairly liberal so in his "right mind" he might have inherited their politics. Kids do that a lot. We will never really know, though. As far as Dylan being the softer more sensitive one... that is Cullen rubbish.

No I didn't mean sensitive the way crazy Cullen meant it. I mean, Dylan was all about singing for the sake of singing and dancing and stuff, according to Eric, lol; And Dylan seemed to be more in touch with his feelings, where as Eric seemed to be a hard-ass, a bad ass in his own right. He seemed to not be all about all of that feelings type of stuff. So that's what I meant.

Screamingophelia wrote:

. Or maybe he would’ve done a 180 and became peaceloving vegan pansexual.

Somehow I just doubt last part.

42099_4EVA wrote:

Justjenna wrote:

Dylan's parents were fairly liberal so in his "right mind" he might have inherited their politics. Kids do that a lot. We will never really know, though. As far as Dylan being the softer more sensitive one... that is Cullen rubbish.

No I didn't mean sensitive the way crazy Cullen meant it. I mean, Dylan was all about singing for the sake of singing and dancing and stuff, according to Eric, lol; And Dylan seemed to be more in touch with his feelings, where as Eric seemed to be a hard-ass, a bad ass in his own right. He seemed to not be all about all of that feelings type of stuff. So that's what I meant.

In a lot of the videos Dylan was always humming or snapping to a tune. And according to Devon he really was into music and just letting the music overtake. Dylan did genuinely care about his friends especially when they got hurt but so did Eric as we know

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

. Or maybe he would’ve done a 180 and became peaceloving vegan pansexual.

Somehow I just doubt last part.  

I don’t know my friend. What if it was some hot chick with long legs asking if he wanted some barbecue tofu?

42099_4EVA wrote:

Justjenna wrote:

Dylan's parents were fairly liberal so in his "right mind" he might have inherited their politics. Kids do that a lot. We will never really know, though. As far as Dylan being the softer more sensitive one... that is Cullen rubbish.

No I didn't mean sensitive the way crazy Cullen meant it. I mean, Dylan was all about singing for the sake of singing and dancing and stuff, according to Eric, lol; And Dylan seemed to be more in touch with his feelings, where as Eric seemed to be a hard-ass, a bad ass in his own right. He seemed to not be all about all of that feelings type of stuff. So that's what I meant.

There are (at least) two types of "sensitive" people, in my opinion.

Some are "sensitive" in that they feel deeply and are very aware of their own emotions but are also highly empathic, quickly picking up on how their behavior affects others and adjusting accordingly because other people's feelings matter to them almost as much as their own. These are probably the "givers" in society. They can't bear to leave someone out in the cold because they easily feel what others feel.

Others are also emotionally sensitive in that they are deeply affected by what they experience but they are very low on empathy at the same time. This type seems more likely to be histrionic and I think brooding artists (and the majority of teenagers, to be quite honest) tend to fit this stereotype of "sensitivity" fairly well because they want to express what they are feeling but they may not be as concerned with how others feel.

Both types are very emotional, take things to heart and are guided by their feelings more than anything else but there are major differences in how they relate to others. You can be "sensitive" and into "all of that feelings type of stuff" without caring about other people at all.

I don't know who Dylan really was but he didn't seem to care very much about other people's feelings based on his words and behavior, even before he harmed anyone physically. I can't say it was a deeply ingrained personality trait because depressed people and teenagers can struggle with empathy for different reasons and Dylan was both. We can't predict how either one of them would have behaved as adults because people (hopefully) change as they enter adulthood.

Screamingophelia wrote:

42099_4EVA wrote:

Justjenna wrote:

Dylan's parents were fairly liberal so in his "right mind" he might have inherited their politics. Kids do that a lot. We will never really know, though. As far as Dylan being the softer more sensitive one... that is Cullen rubbish.

No I didn't mean sensitive the way crazy Cullen meant it. I mean, Dylan was all about singing for the sake of singing and dancing and stuff, according to Eric, lol; And Dylan seemed to be more in touch with his feelings, where as Eric seemed to be a hard-ass, a bad ass in his own right. He seemed to not be all about all of that feelings type of stuff. So that's what I meant.

In a lot of the videos Dylan was always humming or snapping  to  a tune. And according to Devon he really was into music and just letting the music overtake. Dylan did genuinely care about his friends especially when they got hurt but so did Eric as we know

Wow, I never knew that about Dylan, and yeah, I'm sure both Eric and Dylan genuinely cared about their friends. I'm sure Eric had a soft, sensitive side to life too, but he just seemed to never express or show it a lot.

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

. Or maybe he would’ve done a 180 and became peaceloving vegan pansexual.

Somehow I just doubt last part.  

I don’t know my friend. What if it was some hot chick with long legs asking if he wanted some barbecue tofu?

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

. Or maybe he would’ve done a 180 and became peaceloving vegan pansexual.

Somehow I just doubt last part.  

I don’t know my friend. What if it was some hot chick with long legs asking if he wanted some barbecue tofu?

I was actually referring to the pansexual part!

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

. Or maybe he would’ve done a 180 and became peaceloving vegan pansexual.

Somehow I just doubt last part.  

I don’t know my friend. What if it was some hot chick with long legs asking if he wanted some barbecue tofu?

I was actually referring to the pansexual part!

Oh yes Eric Harris was a 0 on the Kinsey scale! He was an arrow. He was so straight. That’s why am chance YouTube video when he had mentioned he might start rubbing Eric’s shoulders I was like I don’t think Eric would like that dude ...

There’s been a different write ups about Dylan saying that he really craved touch so I don’t think he’d mind too much of it was in private

sscc wrote:

42099_4EVA wrote:

Justjenna wrote:

Dylan's parents were fairly liberal so in his "right mind" he might have inherited their politics. Kids do that a lot. We will never really know, though. As far as Dylan being the softer more sensitive one... that is Cullen rubbish.

No I didn't mean sensitive the way crazy Cullen meant it. I mean, Dylan was all about singing for the sake of singing and dancing and stuff, according to Eric, lol; And Dylan seemed to be more in touch with his feelings, where as Eric seemed to be a hard-ass, a bad ass in his own right. He seemed to not be all about all of that feelings type of stuff. So that's what I meant.

There are (at least) two types of "sensitive" people, in my opinion.

Some are "sensitive" in that they feel deeply and are very aware of their own emotions but are also highly empathic, quickly picking up on how their behavior affects others and adjusting accordingly because other people's feelings matter to them almost as much as their own. These are probably the "givers" in society. They can't bear to leave someone out in the cold because they easily feel what others feel.

Others are also emotionally sensitive in that they are deeply affected by what they experience but they are very low on empathy at the same time. This type seems more likely to be histrionic and I think brooding artists (and the majority of teenagers, to be quite honest) tend to fit this stereotype of "sensitivity" fairly well because they want to express what they are feeling but they may not be as concerned with how others feel.

Both types are very emotional, take things to heart and are guided by their feelings more than anything else but there are major differences in how they relate to others. You can be "sensitive" and into "all of that feelings type of stuff" without caring about other people at all.

I don't know who Dylan really was but he didn't seem to care very much about other people's feelings based on his words and behavior, even before he harmed anyone physically. I can't say it was a deeply ingrained personality trait because depressed people and teenagers can struggle with empathy for different reasons and Dylan was both. We can't predict how either one of them would have behaved as adults because people (hopefully) change as they enter adulthood.

You have very good points there. I am only going by a few of the stories that Devon told about Dylan. Also stories from his mom. Also I have read that in the blackjack video someone said it look like he was saying if he said that to you then he’s an asshole.

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

. Or maybe he would’ve done a 180 and became peaceloving vegan pansexual.

Somehow I just doubt last part.  

I don’t know my friend. What if it was some hot chick with long legs asking if he wanted some barbecue tofu?

I was actually referring to the pansexual part!

Oh yes Eric Harris was a 0 on the Kinsey scale! He was an arrow. He was so straight.  That’s why am chance YouTube video when he had mentioned he might start rubbing Eric’s shoulders I was like I don’t think Eric would like that dude ...

There’s been a different write  ups about Dylan saying that he really craved touch so I don’t think he’d mind too much of it was in private

Wow, you mean, in private, Dylan might have been the type who would've been open to actually having a sexual encounter with another guy?

Wasn't Devon bisexual? That could be a reason why Dylan was more openminded

42099_4EVA wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

. Or maybe he would’ve done a 180 and became peaceloving vegan pansexual.

Somehow I just doubt last part.  

I don’t know my friend. What if it was some hot chick with long legs asking if he wanted some barbecue tofu?

I was actually referring to the pansexual part!

Oh yes Eric Harris was a 0 on the Kinsey scale! He was an arrow. He was so straight.  That’s why am chance YouTube video when he had mentioned he might start rubbing Eric’s shoulders I was like I don’t think Eric would like that dude ...

There’s been a different write  ups about Dylan saying that he really craved touch so I don’t think he’d mind too much of it was in private

Wow, you mean, in private, Dylan might have been the type who would've been open to actually having a sexual encounter with another guy?

No. Maybe it’s the theater kid in me but my one guy friend who is very straight used to give back massages to everyone including guys. He was so good at it we all started paying him for them. Especially around auditions!

I don’t think he Would’ve liked that done in public but I don’t think he would shunned a quick hug from a male or female friend

munchkinphone wrote:

Wasn't Devon bisexual? That could be a reason why Dylan was more openminded

Yes Devon is bisexual

Dylan was wearing the communist pin during the shooting that his uncle had given him. Do you guys think that has any correlation with his political views? Why did he choose to wear it?

Screamingophelia wrote:

42099_4EVA wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

. Or maybe he would’ve done a 180 and became peaceloving vegan pansexual.

Somehow I just doubt last part.  

I don’t know my friend. What if it was some hot chick with long legs asking if he wanted some barbecue tofu?

I was actually referring to the pansexual part!

Oh yes Eric Harris was a 0 on the Kinsey scale! He was an arrow. He was so straight.  That’s why am chance YouTube video when he had mentioned he might start rubbing Eric’s shoulders I was like I don’t think Eric would like that dude ...

There’s been a different write  ups about Dylan saying that he really craved touch so I don’t think he’d mind too much of it was in private

Wow, you mean, in private, Dylan might have been the type who would've been open to actually having a sexual encounter with another guy?

No. Maybe it’s the theater kid in me but my one guy friend who is very straight used to give back massages to everyone including guys. He was so good at it we all started paying him for them. Especially  around auditions!

I don’t think he Would’ve liked that done in public but I don’t think he would shunned  a quick hug from a male or female friend

Ohhh I see now, ok...cool.

munchkinphone wrote:

Dylan was wearing the communist pin during the shooting that his uncle had given him. Do you guys think that has any correlation with his political views? Why did he choose to wear it?

I honestly think he wore it because he thought it was neat looking.

Odd question IMO. Who really knows? I can see Eric being Pro-Trump and Dylan possibly being a-political.

However this is based on them being 18/17 when they didn't have any sort of world view other than it sucked (The Nazi stuff was just them being edgy). We're also talking about almost 20 years of world experience that could have shaped and changed their views.

sscc wrote:

42099_4EVA wrote:

Justjenna wrote:

Dylan's parents were fairly liberal so in his "right mind" he might have inherited their politics. Kids do that a lot. We will never really know, though. As far as Dylan being the softer more sensitive one... that is Cullen rubbish.

No I didn't mean sensitive the way crazy Cullen meant it. I mean, Dylan was all about singing for the sake of singing and dancing and stuff, according to Eric, lol; And Dylan seemed to be more in touch with his feelings, where as Eric seemed to be a hard-ass, a bad ass in his own right. He seemed to not be all about all of that feelings type of stuff. So that's what I meant.

There are (at least) two types of "sensitive" people, in my opinion.

Some are "sensitive" in that they feel deeply and are very aware of their own emotions but are also highly empathic, quickly picking up on how their behavior affects others and adjusting accordingly because other people's feelings matter to them almost as much as their own. These are probably the "givers" in society. They can't bear to leave someone out in the cold because they easily feel what others feel.

Others are also emotionally sensitive in that they are deeply affected by what they experience but they are very low on empathy at the same time. This type seems more likely to be histrionic and I think brooding artists (and the majority of teenagers, to be quite honest) tend to fit this stereotype of "sensitivity" fairly well because they want to express what they are feeling but they may not be as concerned with how others feel.

Both types are very emotional, take things to heart and are guided by their feelings more than anything else but there are major differences in how they relate to others. You can be "sensitive" and into "all of that feelings type of stuff" without caring about other people at all.

I don't know who Dylan really was but he didn't seem to care very much about other people's feelings based on his words and behavior, even before he harmed anyone physically. I can't say it was a deeply ingrained personality trait because depressed people and teenagers can struggle with empathy for different reasons and Dylan was both. We can't predict how either one of them would have behaved as adults because people (hopefully) change as they enter adulthood.

I'm disturbed by how much the underlined portion describes myself.

munchkinphone wrote:

Dylan was wearing the communist pin during the shooting that his uncle had given him. Do you guys think that has any correlation with his political views? Why did he choose to wear it?

After the last shooting happened the one where the guy clearly was imitating columbine, a news station interviewed Sue and asked about the pin and Sue said it was a gift to Dylan from their friend who went to Russia

W.A.R. wrote:

Odd question IMO. Who really knows? I can see Eric being Pro-Trump and Dylan possibly being a-political.

However this is based on them being 18/17 when they didn't have any sort of world view other than it sucked (The Nazi stuff was just them being edgy). We're also talking about almost 20 years of world experience that could have shaped and changed their views.

I agree. I think 17/18-year-old Eric would have been against immigration, based on what he wrote about blacks for example (when he wrote they should go back to Africa). But it is two different times and two different America, we cannot really compare. They didn't even know 9/11! It is also very likely that if they had become adults they would have changed. Their last years were influenced by their negative feelings, anger, sadness, powerlessness, loneliness... People who feel that tends to have more extreme political views.