Do you look up to Eric & Dylan?

I will always look up to Eric and Dylan, despite their actions massacring 13 people.

Throughout my life, I have been relentlessly bullied, which has caused me to feel like a complete outcast from society. Due to this, I am in a constant state of isolation, which causes me agonising emotional pain.

I often read Eric and Dylan's journal entries over and over again, and I am able to relate to everything that they mention. Simply put, I look up to Eric and Dylan because I have a strong idea of what they went through leading up to the massacre.

I may receive a lot of hate for this, but I think that what they did was truly inspiring. After years of receiving shit from other students, they had the courage to go and give some of the students a taste of their own medicine, in particular the jocks.

You see, the Columbine massacre left many people asking, "why?". This makes me furious. If only more people had been kind to Dylan and Eric, this wouldn't of happened. It is not always the gun laws fault, it's the people who cause the shooters to snap.

Sorry about my lil rant

I don't. Mainly because they did a permanent solution to a temporary problem. If they had gotten the right help, both lives could've been turned around for the better. Also, if you had a look at some previous topics, most people agree that it wasn't only bullying that caused it.   

In saying that, you have to remember that majority of the jocks who tormented them weren't there anymore. So I disagree with saying they got a taste of their own medicine. A punch to the bullies face probably would be their medicine but murdering someone? To me, that act is just as bad as the bullies, if not, worse. If they were to take revenge on the jocks only, they should've went to the gym instead. Not the library.

Sure, I acknowledge maybe a few people in their grade or the years below them may also participated in harassment but majority and the worst of the bullying came from the class of '98. However, some students actually acknowledged that the school environment felt much better after Class of '98 graduated.

Additionally, I don't look up to them because innocent people were murdered. No one deserves to be murdered. In fact some victims were known to be nice people (Isaiah and Rachel especially)

I pity them. As a mom, I wish I could have helped them. They only had a few weeks until they graduated, and they could have moved on with their lives. It’s understandable to identify with their struggles regarding the bullying, but murder is not an appropriate response.There is nothing to admire about what they did. High school sucks, but it does get better.

a broken human wrote:

I will always look up to Eric and Dylan, despite their actions massacring 13 people.

Throughout my life, I have been relentlessly bullied, which has caused me to feel like a complete outcast from society. Due to this, I am in a constant state of isolation, which causes me agonising emotional pain.

I often read Eric and Dylan's journal entries over and over again, and I am able to relate to everything that they mention. Simply put, I look up to Eric and Dylan because I have a strong idea of what they went through leading up to the massacre.

I may receive a lot of hate for this, but I think that what they did was truly inspiring. After years of receiving shit from other students, they had the courage to go and give some of the students a taste of their own medicine, in particular the jocks.

You see, the Columbine massacre left many people asking, "why?". This makes me furious. If only more people had been kind to Dylan and Eric, this wouldn't of happened. It is not always the gun laws fault, it's the people who cause the shooters to snap.

Sorry about my lil rant  

E&D were cowards who only knew how to fight back with murder. Simply put you want someone to stop messing with you then you deck them in the face. You may not win the fight but they know that you will not take any crap. E&D were spineless rats who fought back with vandalism and threats, and ultimately murder. That's not standing up for yourself and I pity you if you think it is.

That's some massive simplification of Columbine right there. I myself don't even remotely look up to them. They are failures in so many senses of the term that it would take a whole book to elaborate on it.

HanShotFirst wrote:

a broken human wrote:

I will always look up to Eric and Dylan, despite their actions massacring 13 people.

Throughout my life, I have been relentlessly bullied, which has caused me to feel like a complete outcast from society. Due to this, I am in a constant state of isolation, which causes me agonising emotional pain.

I often read Eric and Dylan's journal entries over and over again, and I am able to relate to everything that they mention. Simply put, I look up to Eric and Dylan because I have a strong idea of what they went through leading up to the massacre.

I may receive a lot of hate for this, but I think that what they did was truly inspiring. After years of receiving shit from other students, they had the courage to go and give some of the students a taste of their own medicine, in particular the jocks.

You see, the Columbine massacre left many people asking, "why?". This makes me furious. If only more people had been kind to Dylan and Eric, this wouldn't of happened. It is not always the gun laws fault, it's the people who cause the shooters to snap.

Sorry about my lil rant  

E&D were cowards who only knew how to fight back with murder. Simply put you want someone to stop messing with you then you deck them in the face. You may not win the fight but they know that you will not take any crap. E&D were spineless rats who fought back with vandalism and threats, and ultimately murder. That's not standing up for yourself and I pity you if you think it is.

they were not cowards at all dude

mamaStardust wrote:

I pity them. As a mom, I wish I could have helped them. They only had a few weeks until they graduated, and they could have moved on with their lives. It’s understandable to identify with their struggles regarding the bullying, but murder is not an appropriate response.There is nothing to admire about what they did. High school sucks, but it does get better.

i wish i could go back in time and help them

shadowofthewill wrote:

I don't. Mainly because they did a permanent solution to a temporary problem. If they had gotten the right help, both lives could've been turned around for the better. Also, if you had a look at some previous topics, most people agree that it wasn't only bullying that caused it.   

In saying that, you have to remember that majority of the jocks who tormented them weren't there anymore. So I disagree with saying they got a taste of their own medicine. A punch to the bullies face probably would be their medicine but murdering someone? To me, that act is just as bad as the bullies, if not, worse. If they were to take revenge on the jocks only, they should've went to the gym instead. Not the library.

Sure, I acknowledge maybe a few people in their grade or the years below them may also participated in harassment but majority and the worst of the bullying came from the class of '98. However, some students actually acknowledged that the school environment felt much better after Class of '98 graduated.

Additionally, I don't look up to them because innocent people were murdered. No one deserves to be murdered. In fact some victims were known to be nice people (Isaiah and Rachel especially)

alright, I agree that there were students who were inoccent. But also something that supports my point, I have heard somewhere that eric or dylan (i cant remember) said, "this is for all of the shit that you have given us"

a broken human wrote:

But also something that supports my point, I have heard somewhere that eric or dylan (i cant remember) said, "this is for all of the shit that you have given us"

That would be Dylan. I still don't see it as justifying their actions though. There are some people on this forum, and people that I know that have been bullied, yet they haven't gone on a murder rampage

shadowofthewill wrote:

a broken human wrote:

But also something that supports my point, I have heard somewhere that eric or dylan (i cant remember) said, "this is for all of the shit that you have given us"

That would be Dylan. I still don't see it as justifying their actions though. There are some people on this forum, and people that I know that have been bullied, yet they haven't gone on a murder rampage

I know, but I am stating that it supports some of my points about them commiting the act due to the shit that they recieved from others. I think they are also indicating anyone. I know, either because they haven't yet, or they have people they can talk to about it. Eric and Dylan obviously did not have that support in time

OP you're a shining example of why I think this forum should be 21+. Edgy little teeny bopper.

I don't know, sometimes I do sometimes I don’t, but I use them to think about my life and the Universe we live in and beyond, sometimes I just feel hatred because when I learned about them because I almost dangerously idolised them and now I feel like either it was on me or them (the society I am currently in) for being pushed or pushing away. It is a long story and I will save it so I don't have to litter and flood half a page with my problems and story.

Why do I feel those two things? Because for one I know E and D and everyone else who I currently see would probably have me in common as an enemy, and I even wear a trench coat, but that doesn't mean nothing. And second, I know what they feel and I understand and can relate to some, because I feel hurt inside and lonely that I feel that people are just not reaching out to me or just gave up with a snap (but could this be a little too selfish of me?).

However, after researching Columbine, I now think on a more open level and don't just go linear like most people do when trying to come to conclusions, I try to see from every angle and then go with what I think, and I have to thank Eric and Dylan for making me see that everything depends on a certain point of view, no good or evil, right and wrong, etc.

Furthermore, I feel like disconnected from everyone because of discovering them and being sucked into the Black Hole of Columbine, and as a result I was seeing from their point of view a little too dangerously and people got involved with me. I had to get my shit together and remember what those two guys did, and the society they lived in and try to use what I learned for the better. “For the better”, means to me that, I shouldn't do anything stupid and don't come to conclusions or go linear with things so soon. Be mindful of the world around you and be careful, but do what you truly think is right, there may be a resemblance but that doesn't mean things will necessarily face the same direction.

Also a funny note as well, people blame video games a lot for a bunch of reasons, but I have to thank them, particularly the Ace Combat Franchise, because the stories the games tell have tons of philosophies to share that you would start to think more and put yourself in the protagonist’s position and feel like you are a part of it and the outcome mostly depends on you. Ace Combat can save my life at times.

I don't condone or support Eric and Dylan, but I pity and understand them to a degree.

I understand their anger, but then I stop myself and remember that they murdered kids.

Ok, here it goes, a looong rant...

I felt like Eric did during my school years. I was kinda bullied - but it wasn't ''serious'', just a few jokes here and there. But not the actual face-to-face bullying was the issue. I was rejected by people. I wasn't invited anywhere. People wound not sit with me, would not talk to me. I had no friends. People would often talk about me behind my back - I sometimes actually would hear them say something about my hair or clothes or whatever. Most of the things people would say about me were about my looks. Once older boys (I have never seen them before) bullied me because of my god damn jeans!!! I was around 13 and they were 15ish and they just laughed and asked me where did I get these hideous jeans from. And things like that would happen often. I barely ate during that time because I thought I was too fat... No wonder I was angry like Eric was. I was also questioning life as well. He wrote a lot about morality and God. Probably everyone goes through that phase where you try to find answers to these fundamental questions like ''Is there God?'', ''If God exists, why do he allow some people to suffer while others have it good'?', ''Is there anything that is 100% evil or good?'', ''Are we all equals?'', etc. I thought everyone around me is stupid - barely thinking about anything besides partying, drugs and having fun. Every single break I would listen to my classmates talk about make up and clothes and I was so fed up with it. I felt I don't belong there. Even if I was invited somewhere, even when I went there, it just felt awful being around those superficial people. But I thought that school will never end as if everything is the same after you graduate - the same people, just different background. I wish I was big and strong so I could beat everyone (mind you, I was (still am) a short thin girl who couldn't even run for more than 5 minutes). I wanted to see them bleed. There were so many physical fights in my school and I wanted to join in and beat the hell out of those bullies who would pick on smaller children. I had thoughts of killing people. I would day dream of burning the school down. I didn't care who would die - everyone made me mad, no one would be there for me. That's why I think about Eric a lot - I feel like I understand him. And yet, now I am in a better place. I have friends, I get invited to parties, my friends don't seem so dull to me and I hate the mankind a bit less. I still avoid people and I think most of them are superficial but I don't want to kill anyone. But I was in that place and seeing how things have turned out for me... well, it could have been like this to them. Sure, I don't know them, I wasn't there, there's no way I can know what they went through for sure but all the details... It gives me some kind of comfort as well - I was not the only one who felt like this.

Not only life got better but those pricks who bullied me because I wasn't pretty... well one of them actually tried to ask me out ;) And honestly, I have sooo much better life than they do. Most of them are alcoholics, studying things they have, working low wage jobs with no perspectives.
I wish they didn't do anything, I wish they went to college, marines, whatever, I wish they ran away from that town like I did, I wish.

But in short, no, I don't look up to Eric and Dylan. I understand them and I wish this would have never happened. Life gets better but it's hard to actually believe that until it actually gets better.

I think a lot of people can identify with Eric. Turning feelings of rejection and isolation into anger and projecting it outward is a coping mechanism. It makes you feel less vulnerable and wounded if you hate them first.

I read an interesting article not long ago about people who "peak" in high school, such as popular jocks, for example. Often times, that actually is thier "peak" in life and its all downhill from there. Meanwhile, the other kids, the "nobodies" get out of high school and continue on an upward trajectory through college and careers, reaching a much more successful and satisfying peak later in life.

Imagine this: Blocky the Bully is 35 years old and gets arrested in a bar fight. He goes to the emergency room. Who is his doctor? A former victim of his. Well, that's awkward! Then he calls a lawyer. Who comes to his aid? Another former victim! Blocky the bully is so embarrassed. But his doctor and lawyer aresilenty laughing inside. Because success is the best revenge.

ValiantSoldier wrote:

I don't know, sometimes I do sometimes I don’t, but I use them to think about my life and the Universe we live in and beyond, sometimes I just feel hatred because when I learned about them because I almost dangerously idolised them and now I feel like either it was on me or them (the society I am currently in) for being pushed or pushing away. It is a long story and I will save it so I don't have to litter and flood half a page with my problems and story.

Why do I feel those two things? Because for one I know E and D and everyone else who I currently see would probably have me in common as an enemy, and I even wear a trench coat, but that doesn't mean nothing. And second, I know what they feel and I understand and can relate to some, because I feel hurt inside and lonely that I feel that people are just not reaching out to me or just gave up with a snap (but could this be a little too selfish of me?).

However, after researching Columbine, I now think on a more open level and don't just go linear like most people do when trying to come to conclusions, I try to see from every angle and then go with what I think, and I have to thank Eric and Dylan for making me see that everything depends on a certain point of view, no good or evil, right and wrong, etc.

Furthermore, I feel like disconnected from everyone because of discovering them and being sucked into the Black Hole of Columbine, and as a result I was seeing from their point of view a little too dangerously and people got involved with me. I had to get my shit together and remember what those two guys did, and the society they lived in and try to use what I learned for the better. “For the better”, means to me that, I shouldn't do anything stupid and don't come to conclusions or go linear with things so soon. Be mindful of the world around you and be careful, but do what you truly think is right, there may be a resemblance but that doesn't mean things will necessarily face the same direction.

Also a funny note as well, people blame video games a lot for a bunch of reasons, but I have to thank them, particularly the Ace Combat Franchise, because the stories the games tell have tons of philosophies to share that you would start to think more and put yourself in the protagonist’s position and feel like you are a part of it and the outcome mostly depends on you. Ace Combat can save my life at times.

I don't condone or support Eric and Dylan, but I pity and understand them to a degree.

I completely agree. But also thank you for having pity and understanding for them

mamaStardust wrote:

I think a lot of people can identify with Eric. Turning feelings of rejection and isolation into anger and projecting it outward is a coping mechanism. It makes you feel less vulnerable and wounded if you hate them first.

I read an interesting article not long ago about people who "peak" in high school, such as popular jocks, for example. Often times, that actually is thier "peak" in life and its all downhill from there. Meanwhile, the other kids, the "nobodies" get out of high school and continue on an upward trajectory through college and careers, reaching a much more successful and satisfying peak later in life.

Imagine this: Blocky the Bully is 35 years old and gets arrested in a bar fight. He goes to the emergency room. Who is his doctor? A former victim of his. Well, that's awkward! Then he calls a lawyer. Who comes to his aid? Another former victim! Blocky the bully is so embarrassed. But his doctor and lawyer aresilenty laughing inside. Because success is the best revenge.

Damn this makes me really think about what Eric and Dylan's lives would of been like if they didn't shoot up the school. I often think to myself, "would they of ended up commiting suicide?", or "would they of completely turned their lives around?". It's a shame though.

blynas wrote:

Ok, here it goes, a looong rant...

I felt like Eric did during my school years. I was kinda bullied - but it wasn't ''serious'', just a few jokes here and there. But not the actual face-to-face bullying was the issue. I was rejected by people. I wasn't invited anywhere. People wound not sit with me, would not talk to me. I had no friends. People would often talk about me behind my back - I sometimes actually would hear them say something about my hair or clothes or whatever. Most of the things people would say about me were about my looks. Once older boys (I have never seen them before) bullied me because of my god damn jeans!!! I was around 13 and they were 15ish and they just laughed and asked me where did I get these hideous jeans from. And things like that would happen often. I barely ate during that time because I thought I was too fat... No wonder I was angry like Eric was. I was also questioning life as well. He wrote a lot about morality and God. Probably everyone goes through that phase where you try to find answers to these fundamental questions like ''Is there God?'', ''If God exists, why do he allow some people to suffer while others have it good'?', ''Is there anything that is 100% evil or good?'', ''Are we all equals?'', etc. I thought everyone around me is stupid - barely thinking about anything besides partying, drugs and having fun. Every single break I would listen to my classmates talk about make up and clothes and I was so fed up with it. I felt I don't belong there. Even if I was invited somewhere, even when I went there, it just felt awful being around those superficial people. But I thought that school will never end as if everything is the same after you graduate - the same people, just different background. I wish I was big and strong so I could beat everyone (mind you, I was (still am) a short thin girl who couldn't even run for more than 5 minutes). I wanted to see them bleed. There were so many physical fights in my school and I wanted to join in and beat the hell out of those bullies who would pick on smaller children. I had thoughts of killing people. I would day dream of burning the school down. I didn't care who would die - everyone made me mad, no one would be there for me. That's why I think about Eric a lot - I feel like I understand him. And yet, now I am in a better place. I have friends, I get invited to parties, my friends don't seem so dull to me and I hate the mankind a bit less. I still avoid people and I think most of them are superficial but I don't want to kill anyone. But I was in that place and seeing how things have turned out for me... well, it could have been like this to them. Sure, I don't know them, I wasn't there, there's no way I can know what they went through for sure but all the details... It gives me some kind of comfort as well - I was not the only one who felt like this.  

Not only life got better but those pricks who bullied me because I wasn't pretty... well one of them actually tried to ask me out ;) And honestly, I have sooo much better life than they do. Most of them are alcoholics, studying things they have, working low wage jobs with no perspectives.
I wish they didn't do anything, I wish they went to college, marines, whatever, I wish they ran away from that town like I did, I wish.

But in short, no, I don't look up to Eric and Dylan. I understand them and I wish this would have never happened. Life gets better but it's hard to actually believe that until it actually gets better.

i wish eric and dylan could of experienced that. If only they held on for a few more weeks...

a broken human wrote:

I will always look up to Eric and Dylan, despite their actions massacring 13 people.

Throughout my life, I have been relentlessly bullied, which has caused me to feel like a complete outcast from society. Due to this, I am in a constant state of isolation, which causes me agonising emotional pain.

I often read Eric and Dylan's journal entries over and over again, and I am able to relate to everything that they mention. Simply put, I look up to Eric and Dylan because I have a strong idea of what they went through leading up to the massacre.

I may receive a lot of hate for this, but I think that what they did was truly inspiring. After years of receiving shit from other students, they had the courage to go and give some of the students a taste of their own medicine, in particular the jocks.

You see, the Columbine massacre left many people asking, "why?". This makes me furious. If only more people had been kind to Dylan and Eric, this wouldn't of happened. It is not always the gun laws fault, it's the people who cause the shooters to snap.

Sorry about my lil rant  

Nice try, FBI. Haha, but in all seriousness, no.

The argument of “i was bullied and I didn’t shoot up my school” doesn’t really hold up.

if it could have been a factor it’s worth looking into. I don’t think it was the sole reason but I think it was a factor on top of many things.

I wouldn't say I look up to them, but I do have many things in common with them and I probably could of been good friends with them. I don't think they needed to shoot up their school to solve their problems but everyone experiences emotions and life differently. I think they needed more support in their time of need.

Someone should use the OP's post as copypasta. If you fill in nearly any killer(s) besides Eric and Dylan, it sounds way more ridiculous.

The only part I admire of Harris and Klebold was how sneaky they were, I've even tested some of their techniques in hiding items, and so far its been successful.

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An interesting study about the obsession/“hold” Columbine still has on people, even today.

I've been gone from this forum for along time, but I do remember we used to automatically ban Tumblr Columbiners on here, especially those who look up to trash like Eric and Dylan.

There is nothing wrong with relating to them to a certain extent, but look up to them? Eh...

Not to mention these two guys weren't nearly as outcasts as those who look up to them are. Guys like Elliot Rodger, Jeff Weise, or Adam Lanza were legitimate true outcasts. Eric and Dylan had friends. They went out a lot. They went to prom. Girls liked them in a friend way and in more of a romantic relationship type way. They were not true outcasts. They were NOT loners. These guys were just your standard upper middle class white kids who were dorky and edgy and were jealous of others. Shit I wish I was in high school I had a prom date, even if it was just a friend that was a girl. I wish I even had close enough friends to hang out with constantly. These two kids were a disgrace and they pissed away a possible good life to live in infamy.

i guess the idea of "oppressed becoming the oppressors" might be inspiring
but killing 13 innocent people, alot of them not being the oppressors is not. they hated the school system, i get that but they killed people. That effect lasts forever. They might've killed 13. but the ripple effect of 13 affects so many people just by the ripple effect, they ruined the lives of their families and the victims families, everyone who knew them. The 1000+ students are permanantly scarred. People who weren't part of the bullying culture at columbine, most kids were younger,smaller than them
The system did screw them over and i get the idea they fought back might inspire you
but there are so many influencers who were bullied who turned out not to be killers
In short, no i dont admire them. I see why they hated the school and the culture,but killing innocent people isnt going to solve it at all. You just have to see them as two mentally ill kids who got guns and shot up their school. Its a crude summary but thats who they were, not role models

lol wrote:

I've been gone from this forum for along time, but I do remember we used to automatically ban Tumblr Columbiners on here, especially those who look up to trash like Eric and Dylan.

There is nothing wrong with relating to them to a certain extent, but look up to them? Eh...

Not to mention these two guys weren't nearly as outcasts as those who look up to them are. Guys like Elliot Rodger, Jeff Weise, or Adam Lanza were legitimate true outcasts. Eric and Dylan had friends. They went out a lot. They went to prom. Girls liked them in a friend way and in more of a romantic relationship type way. They were not true outcasts. They were NOT loners. These guys were just your standard upper middle class white kids who were dorky and edgy and were jealous of others. Shit I wish I was in high school I had a prom date, even if it was just a friend that was a girl. I wish I even had close enough friends to hang out with constantly. These two kids were a disgrace and they pissed away a possible good life to live in infamy.

I have to agree with this, to some extent.

Even Elliot Rodger was a lot better off than most people. At the very least, he had a really nice car. (No one ever bought me a car, let alone a late-model BMW. When I was in college, I took the bus and the train everywhere I had to go. Still do, in fact.)

Eric and Dylan never experienced a single moment of true hardship. They never had to overcome debilitating physical injuries or struggle to survive in the midst of crushing poverty. Their parents worked hard to give them every advantage in life. True, there were other kids at Columbine who were even more privileged, but that's life. There will always be a few people who have more than you do, but there will always be so many who will have so much less.

Honestly, it's hard to feel especially sympathetic for either one of them. (I do admit to feeling some measure of sympathy for them, but I concede that they don't really deserve it.)

As someone who has experienced both physical and psychological pain, I can STRONGLY say I'd prefer the time I was raped or the time I didn't have much money and took the bus, to any of my daily struggle with people and society. Honest and true. To say that the only valid pain ever in life has to be being poor or getting injured is just ignorant. I have felt a very real hell just by being betrayed or being verbally tormented, that was so much worse than the time in my life I was poor, or the searing sexual pain I experience occasionally.

Many, many people state time and time again, prove over and over that having love and acceptance will always be infinitely more valuable than money or perfect health. And yes I mean REAL love and REAL acceptance. It's very real and tangible and a CONSTANT system of high school and beyond to act like friends with somebody for some other gain, or cause you feel pressure to, while the lack of actual connection is very tangible. I'm sorry, I can't help but be really upset with the over simplification, and ignorance of emotional/mental pain.

Westygalery wrote:

As someone who has experienced both physical and psychological pain, I can STRONGLY say I'd prefer the time I was raped or the time I didn't have much money and took the bus, to any of my daily struggle with people and society. Honest and true. To say that the only valid pain ever in life has to be being poor or getting injured is just ignorant. I have felt a very real hell just by being betrayed or being verbally tormented, that was so much worse than the time in my life I was poor, or the searing sexual pain I experience occasionally.

Many, many people state time and time again, prove over and over that having love and acceptance will always be infinitely more valuable than money or perfect health. And yes I mean REAL love and REAL acceptance. It's very real and tangible and a CONSTANT system of high school and beyond to act like friends with somebody for some other gain, or cause you feel pressure to, while the lack of actual connection is very tangible. I'm sorry, I can't help but be really upset with the over simplification, and ignorance of emotional/mental pain.

I am truly sorry about your experience with that. Hope you doin ok

a broken human wrote:

I will always look up to Eric and Dylan, despite their actions massacring 13 people.

Throughout my life, I have been relentlessly bullied, which has caused me to feel like a complete outcast from society. Due to this, I am in a constant state of isolation, which causes me agonising emotional pain.

I often read Eric and Dylan's journal entries over and over again, and I am able to relate to everything that they mention. Simply put, I look up to Eric and Dylan because I have a strong idea of what they went through leading up to the massacre.

I may receive a lot of hate for this, but I think that what they did was truly inspiring. After years of receiving shit from other students, they had the courage to go and give some of the students a taste of their own medicine, in particular the jocks.

You see, the Columbine massacre left many people asking, "why?". This makes me furious. If only more people had been kind to Dylan and Eric, this wouldn't of happened. It is not always the gun laws fault, it's the people who cause the shooters to snap.

Sorry about my lil rant  

100% yes, and here's why - because despite what they did, I don't know what it is but I can see photos of them or read their journals and it's almost as if you can feel their hurt, feel their pain. On 4/20/19, I did just that, I looked through their journal readings and viewed their photos, and the emotion, the hurt and pain coming from their journal writings and photos just flowed into me and I found myself sobbing. I don't know what it is but there's something so tragic about these two teens, something that makes me feel so, so sorry for them, and no I'm not saying this because they're males or as some think about females who sympathize with E&D, because they were cute or good looking because to be honest, they were - all right but they weren't - Bradley Cooper or anything, so it's not about looks because if they were females who did the exact same thing, who had the exact same deep, inner pain and hurt, I'd be saying the same thing, in fact, I feel a similar way about Aileen Wuornos. There was a lot of deep inner hurt and pain within her as well that made me just feel so sad and sorry for her.

Anyway, people like to label them as crazy, evil or psychotic but let's be honest and call it what it really was - these boys were experiencing some serious, inner, deep hurt and pain and I bet if DeAngelis had, had a Columbine meeting in the gym with all of the Columbine students, including Eric and Dylan - I mean a real, raw, gritty, no holds barred meeting, with everyone who disliked/hated Eric and Dylan meeting up with those Eric and Dylan hated and disliked, and they just let the emotions from everyone run raw and loose, I truly, truly believe that would be when we would see the real hurt and pain that Eric and Dylan hid so deep within them. Dylan's would come out on paper and Eric's would come out verbally - first in shouting and rage and anger but then that rage and anger would transform into excessive emotion. It would have been one hell of a powerful meeting that would run deep with emotions from everyone on both sides.

See, people have to remember, these two weren't grown men. I don't care how much they smoked or drank alcohol, essentially, they were kids - kids, and in a lot of ways, they were not yet matured kids. They were kids who were hurting, both mentally and emotionally and so I look up to them because I see so much of myself within both of them, I understood their hurt and pain and I'm telling you, had I been at Columbine during 98, 99, I would've walked into The Commons, walked up to them and pulled Dylan into a hug and then Eric next and then sat down with them and just asked them, what's wrong and then listened to them. Like Marilyn Manson said once, I don't think anyone ever did that. Sure their "friends" listened when they talked but then again, they weren't listening. I think they needed love that they never really got from parents, friends or anyone.

So I understand them, while others point the finger at what they did, I understand why they did what they did. Hurt people HURT people and I look up to them because I understand them and I sympathize with them. I mourn them a lot and miss their presence here on this Earth because they were two bright, intelligent lights that were squashed out because they felt they had no way to express their hurt and pain other than through violence. I'm telling you, the tragedy of Columbine - yes, it's the 13 victims Eric and Dylan killed but the bigger tragedy was Eric and Dylan, because it could've all been prevented. It didn't have to be.....So that's my take on it.

I wouldn't say I look up to them, but rather even though I don't condone what they did, I can still empathize and understand why they did it.