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PostSubject: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeSat Mar 01, 2014 8:19 pm

What if Eric stayed in New York and ylan stayed in Colorado?  Then would either of them commit an NBK-style shooting by themself?  As far as I know, E/D are the only school shooters that didn't act alone.  Could either of them have done it without the other?  Or were both of them just destined for disaster?
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PostSubject: Re: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeSat Mar 01, 2014 11:40 pm

There's another pair: Andrew Golden and Mitchell Johnson shot up a school in Arkansas in 1998. They survived and went to prison (and later got released).

According to Mitchell, Andrew got the idea for the shooting. He apparently was a character similar to Eric, with aggressive behaviour and a sense of grandiosity about himself. He was leading the preparation for the shooting, just like Eric.

Andrew was, unlike Dylan, a teen abused physically by his dad and sexually by another teen.

So, I think looking at the dynamic in those pairs (there are others as well) is really interesting to understand how things may have come up between Eric and Dylan.

I've been thinking Dylan had it in him to do a shooting but may not have organized things for a year in a methodical way if Eric had not been there. If he had gone shooting by himself, he would have been more impulsive.  It is also entirely possible he wouldn't have gone on killing by himself and would have chosen to commit suicide instead. Maybe Eric was that spark to action, a spur to killing, maybe Dylan needed to be with someone to go on a rampage, the way he wrote in his diary.

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PostSubject: Re: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeSun Mar 02, 2014 4:19 am

I don't think Eric would have done it if he had stayed in New York. Something about Littleton (or Columbine) pushed him over the edge. I can see him moving on in life and becoming a cop or something with authority.

Dylan probably would have committed suicide.

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PostSubject: Re: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeSun Mar 02, 2014 4:56 am

I don't think either one of them would've done a shooting by themselves. I'm still of the opinion that Colorado 'broke' something in Eric that may not have caused that big of a problem if he'd stayed in NY. I'm almost certain that if issues did indeed arise they would appear later in his life and not with the same intensity. Dylan just feels to me like he lacked the coherence in the physical to actually get everything in order for such an event as a shooting. I've always seen him commit suicide, though. I can picture a future for Eric just fine, but I keep halting on Dylan somehow.  Rolling Eyes 
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PostSubject: Re: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeTue Mar 04, 2014 4:04 pm

What if Dylan's parents had moved to California before purchasing the second house in Littleton? They would have never met each other.

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PostSubject: Re: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeSun Mar 09, 2014 1:52 am

TheFragile wrote:
What if Dylan's parents had moved to California before purchasing the second house in Littleton? They would have never met each other.

I think Dylan would have really liked California. I live in this wonderful state and it's very accepting and open minded. Plus I believe he would be staying in the Silicon valley area where there is a huge emphasis in computers and technology. He would have fit in just fine with all the other computer kids.
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PostSubject: Re: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeSun Jun 12, 2022 1:44 pm

jettfyre80 wrote:
I don't think Eric would have done it if he had stayed in New York. Something about Littleton (or Columbine) pushed him over the edge. I can see him moving on in life and becoming a cop or something with authority.

Dylan probably would have committed suicide.

If Eric had stayed in Plattsbourg, NY, I don't think he would have become a cop because he would have gotten a criminal record that would disqualify him from being a cop
. Or if Eric did become a cop, he would have been kicked off the force fairly soon. IMO, Eric had a criminal mind and was very much destined to get into trouble with the law wherever he lived.

I agree with you that if Dylan had never met Eric, he probably would have eventually committed suicide anyway, just without committing a massacre.
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PostSubject: Re: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeTue Jun 14, 2022 1:45 am

jettfyre80 wrote:
I don't think Eric would have done it if he had stayed in New York. Something about Littleton (or Columbine) pushed him over the edge. I can see him moving on in life and becoming a cop or something with authority.

Dylan probably would have committed suicide.
Eric hated Columbine, but his dad refused to move and I thought that was ignorant. His son clearly didn't like that place and was miserable.

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PostSubject: Re: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeTue Jun 14, 2022 1:47 am

Let's face it, New York people would've been more accepting of Eric's lifestyle. Colorado is filled with nothing, but a bunch of hicks. Maybe that's not the case today, but it was back in the 90s.

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PostSubject: Re: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeTue Jun 14, 2022 1:49 am

gumshoe wrote:
jettfyre80 wrote:
I don't think Eric would have done it if he had stayed in New York. Something about Littleton (or Columbine) pushed him over the edge. I can see him moving on in life and becoming a cop or something with authority.

Dylan probably would have committed suicide.

If Eric had stayed in Plattsbourg, NY, I don't think he would have become a cop because he would have gotten a criminal record that would disqualify him from being a cop
. Or if Eric did become a cop, he would have been kicked off the force fairly soon.  IMO, Eric had a criminal  mind and was very much destined to get into trouble with the law wherever he lived.

I agree with you that if Dylan had never met Eric, he probably would have eventually committed suicide anyway, just without committing a massacre.
Well, didn't you see the video of Eric spinning his phone on the cafeteria table? That should've been a sign he felt out of place at Columbine.

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PostSubject: Re: If Eric and Dylan never met...   If Eric and Dylan never met... Icon_minitimeWed Jun 22, 2022 12:40 pm

I think Dylan would go on a killing spree alone and would kill, like, two times more people than they killed together.
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