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Was just re-reading the part of the Basement Tapes filmed at Eric and Dylan's last "sleep over".
Although I've read it a dozen or more times, I realized I've not appreciated the significance of this until now:

"They then begin discussing "the fucking snow is gay" in relation to the weather outside saying that they "hope the shit clears out by Tuesday, actually Sunday."

This means that, at least as of April 16th, the plan was for the attack to take place on Tuesday the 20th. So, assumptions that it was delayed a day because Mark Manes did not buy more ammunition until Monday are likely to be incorrect.

I never noticed that either!

It was beautiful that day then it snowed the next.

I know many people look at as a deeper meaning but that’s spring in Colorado for you.

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Was just re-reading the part of the Basement Tapes filmed at Eric and Dylan's last "sleep over".
Although I've read it a dozen or more times, I realized I've not appreciated the significance of this until now:

"They then begin discussing "the fucking snow is gay" in relation to the weather outside saying that they "hope the shit clears out by Tuesday, actually Sunday."

This means that, at least as of April 16th, the plan was for the attack to take place on Tuesday the 20th. So, assumptions that it was delayed a day because Mark Manes did not buy more ammunition until Monday are likely to be incorrect.

yes I mentioned this before and others here told me I was incorrect. I thought it was supposed to be Tuesday for a while.

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Even if he had a mental illness and it was correctly diagnosed, does not mean that the medicine could have helped him. It takes a looong looong time to help patients with mental disorders. I have one and I was put on so many drugs and I am not even sure that the ones I am taking now actually help me. I was about 15 when I was first prescribed medicine for my mental disorder and I am 23 now and  heck, I am still questioning my diagnosis... The process of finding the right drug is trail and error.

Well, yes and no. How do I diagnose patients? Well, I observe the patient's thought patterns and behaviors, ask questions, talk to people who know the patient, etc. Many times I get patients who have no mental illness but are in personal crisis mode and need help. The DSM doesn't help because there's no entry in the manual for patients who are in financial crisis, or have lost their jobs, or have lost their children in a divorce proceeding. When you diagnose a patient, you have a vague idea, but you need to test your ideas against empirical evidence, so that your ideas are closer to reality. So, therefore, a therapy session is a laboratory.  

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And if he had a personality disorder it would have taken him years and years to kinda-ish fix it. Personality disorders are awful, you can't just give someone some pills and cure them.

True (although some personality disorders, I believe, are not treatable). However, Antidepressants are helpful in treating some BPD symptoms such as fluctuating mood changes.

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Also, how often do you think doctors hear teenagers say they have suicidal and homicidal thoughts? Honestly, that happens quite often. And usually those people do not do anything.

Well, yes. I have heard teenagers often say they have homicidal/sucidal ideation. I ask a few questions to discern if those thoughts are related to an underlying psychiatric disorder. That's what a practitioner usually does. In my experience, most homicidal ideation stems from an unpleasant experience with another individual and is expressed in anger. That's why you need to dig a bit deeper to work out what might be causing these racing thoughts.

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You can't call the police everytime someone says ''sometimes I think about killing people''.  

No, but if the patient is a minor, it's best to get the parents involved.

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I am not saying that Dr. Albert is a good doctor, but mental illnesses are very complex. Especially if you are under 18. Especially if you don't know the person very long.

True. That's why you need a either a Master's, Specialist's, or a Doctoral degree, as well as a license, to become a psychologist.

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Was just re-reading the part of the Basement Tapes filmed at Eric and Dylan's last "sleep over".
Although I've read it a dozen or more times, I realized I've not appreciated the significance of this until now:

"They then begin discussing "the fucking snow is gay" in relation to the weather outside saying that they "hope the shit clears out by Tuesday, actually Sunday."

This means that, at least as of April 16th, the plan was for the attack to take place on Tuesday the 20th. So, assumptions that it was delayed a day because Mark Manes did not buy more ammunition until Monday are likely to be incorrect.
Possibly, though "by Tuesday" might mean "at the latest", i. e. if Monday didn't work, they were prepared for Tuesday, rather than the plan was for Tuesday by then. Indeed maybe that's why actually Sunday, so Monday is good to go.
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20 years ago tonight.

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When the tape starts again, Eric Harris has the camera and he and Dylan Klebold are in Dylan’s
bedroom at the Klebold house. Dylan’s wearing black BDUs and a black t-shirt with the word
“Wrath” printed on it in red letters. Dylan is attaching something to his pants which seem to
be black suspenders. He then attaches what looks to be a tan ammo pouch to the suspenders or his belt. He attaches a green pouch to his right shin. Dylan then removes some items
from an open case [small suitcase or hard-sided briefcase] that’s on the floor. Dylan takes
out a sawed-off shotgun and puts the barrel of it into a cargo pocket on his pants, attaching
it with webbing so it stays put. He has the TEC-DC9 [the same that was removed from his
body after the shootings] on a sling over his shoulder.
Dylan makes a comment about his “50 round clip.” He mentions Brandon Larson and his
head being on his knife. He talks about going to the prom with Robyn. He says he didn’t
want to go but that his parents are paying for it. Eric says something about having three
bags to use and they talk about wanting to “practice” the next couple of nights. Eric says
they got “lasers and more propane today.” He also mentions four big black containers and
two of some other sort of fuel. The boys talk about writing poems “in Kelly’s class today”
and how ridiculous it was.
They start talking then about the double-barrel shotgun.
Klebold: Thanks, Mr. Stevens. [He then says to Eric] He knew I was fucking buying it.
Dylan gets dressed, pulling on a black trenchcoat. “I’m fat on this side,” he says and starts
talking about how he looks “fat with all the stuff on.” He tries to toss the TEC-9 into his hand
from where it’s hanging on the sling but his coat prevents the move.
Klebold: I’ll have to take the coat off.
Dylan complains then about how he doesn’t want to take off the coat — he says he likes his
coat. The boys begin discussing how “fucking snow is gay” and that they “hope the shit clears
out by Tuesday, actually Sunday.” Eric says he needs “dry weather for my fires.

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yes I mentioned this before and others here told me I was incorrect.  I thought it was supposed to be Tuesday for a while.  

I think you are probably right.

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Possibly, though "by Tuesday" might mean "at the latest", i. e. if Monday didn't work, they were prepared for Tuesday, rather than the plan was for Tuesday by then. Indeed maybe that's why actually Sunday, so Monday is good to go."

Eric's next statement after "actually Sunday" was that he "needs dry weather for my fires."
I interpret this as, the longer we have dry weather, the better my fires will be when we do this on Tuesday.
The Mark Manes explanation never quite sat right with me because by that point I thought I'd read they had hundreds of bullets before Manes' K-Mart run. It always seemed strange that they'd put a year's worth of planning on hold just for 100 extra bullets. We'll never know for certain, of course, but I think the above statements strongly suggest that by April 16th they had decided that April 20th was NBK day.
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Right now, it is around four in the morning on April 17 in Colorado. At this very moment twenty years ago, Eric and Dylan were probably sitting in Dylan's room, working out the final details of their ghastly plan.

What must it have been like for them to go through the motions of daily living, knowing that they were rapidly approaching their point of no return? I would imagine that they felt a potent mixture of joy and fear. Both boys evidently believed that going NBK would provide some kind of grand release from all their years of torment, an intense orgasm of blood and gore. Perhaps Dylan took more comfort from the thought of dying, while Eric savored fantasies of the ecstasy of killing; perhaps not.

For some reason, whenever I think about what must have been going through their minds in these last few days of their lives, I recall an excerpt from Stephen King's novela The Langoliers:

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Deep in the trenches carved into the floors of the Pacific and the Indian Oceans, there are fish which live and die without ever seeing or sensing the sun. These fabulous creatures cruise the depths like ghostly balloons, lit from within by their own radiance. Although they look delicate, they are actually marvels of biological design, built to withstand pressures that would squash a man as flat as a windowpane in the blink of an eye. Their great strength, however, is also their great weakness. Prisoners of their own alien bodies, they are locked forever in their dark depths. If they are captured and drawn toward the surface, toward the sun, they simply explode. It is not external pressure that destroys them, but its absence....

Who knows how the fish captured in one of those deep trenches and brought swiftly toward the surface — toward the light of a sun it has never suspected — may feel? Is it not at least possible that its final moments are filled with ecstasy rather than horror? That it senses the crushing reality of all that pressure only as it finally falls away? That it thinks — as far as fish may be supposed to think, that is — in a kind of joyous frenzy, I am free of that weight at last! in the seconds before it explodes? Probably not. Fish from those dark depths may not feel at all, at least not in any way we could recognize, and they certainly do not think... but people do.

Whatever their differences, both Eric and Dylan felt that the pressures of living in this world were unbearable. Both boys must have derived considerable pleasure from the idea that, soon, their misery would be over, and they would be free.

I've always felt that NBK started out as a kind of semi-masturbatory fantasy between the boys. Maybe one day they were complaining about somebody they didn't like - Rocky, maybe - and one of them said, "Wouldn't it be great if we could just take a gun and blow his fucking brains out?"

"Yeah, but it would be even better if we could also take out all of his buddies, as well."

"Yeah, but what would be even *better* than shooting a few kids would be to blow up the whole fucking school. Just wipe that shithole off the fucking map."

"Yeah, that would be epic. It would be like fucking Doom, man."

And then, like the aforementioned deep-ocean fish, they were swept toward self-annihilation by the dark currents of their imaginations.

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I still wonder what it would be like to go day in and day out for almost a year knowing your going to die/kill yourself. I'd think suicide would be easier if you just did it within a few mins of when the thought arose (if you already decided you were going to do it)

I'd think knowing for over a year you planned your date would be very stressing and filled with fear and anxiety.

Somehow they both did it though.
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20 years ago tonight was prom.

Rachel, Dylan and Lauren were celebrating as well as many other survivors.

The only person in the room that knew what was going to happen in 72 short hours was Dylan.

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Does anyone know what they did on the night of the 18th?
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Does anyone know what they did on the night of the 18th?


According to Sues book Dylan spent the day with Eric and went to bed early

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On several posters the number '17' had been crossed out and replaced with a '20'.

If this is true then the date was always 4 20.... since prom anyways..
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On several posters the number '17' had been crossed out and replaced with a '20'.

If this is true then the date was always 4 20.... since prom anyways..

I thought their original planned date was monday the 19th but it rained or something so they thought the bombs wouldn't burn as much or something?
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The poster thing has never been corroborated and no one could find any evidence that it was real. Also if it was real, it could also have been done bc of the pot references

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The poster thing has never been corroborated and no one could find any evidence that it was real.  Also if it was real, it could also have been done bc of the pot references

Was eric and dylan really that into pot though? From what I studied they seemed like causual smokers if anything.
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The poster thing has never been corroborated and no one could find any evidence that it was real.  Also if it was real, it could also have been done bc of the pot references

Was eric and dylan really that into pot though? From what I studied they seemed like causual smokers if anything.




They weren’t necessarily the ones who changed it.

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The poster thing has never been corroborated and no one could find any evidence that it was real.  Also if it was real, it could also have been done bc of the pot references

Was eric and dylan really that into pot though? From what I studied they seemed like causual smokers if anything.




They weren’t necessarily the ones who changed it.

This. No one knows who did it.

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That is true. Could have been in reference to pot. I also dont think they were heavy users of it. Maybe here and there.
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That is true. Could have been in reference to pot. I also dont think they were heavy users of it. Maybe here and there.


It’s another contradiction of Eric as well. Because in the survey he took he wrote down that he like to get high and go bowling. But then he also talked about not liking to be high or drunk because he didn’t like feeling out of control.

I think Devon said in interview that she had a picture of Dylan when he was stoned, or looked stoned, and he kind a looks stoned in the picture from birthday party. I think Dylan definitely self medicated with alcohol and pot more often

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In Colorado, it's almost midnight - the dividing line between the 17th and the 18th of April. At this exact moment twenty years ago, fifteen people had about two-and-a-half days - 60 hours - to live.

Columbine's seniors were rocking the night away at prom, all but two of them blissfully unaware of the carnage to come.

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That is true. Could have been in reference to pot. I also dont think they were heavy users of it. Maybe here and there.


It’s another contradiction of Eric as well. Because in the survey he took he wrote down that he like to get high and go bowling. But then he also talked about not liking to be high or drunk because he didn’t like feeling out of control.

I think Devon said in interview that she had a picture of Dylan when he was stoned, or looked stoned,  and he kind a looks stoned in the picture from birthday party. I think Dylan definitely self medicated with alcohol and pot more often

Maybe it was the military background of erics dad that influenced him to be more in control or maybe he just liked being in control most of the time. I don't recall him being big into drugs and alcohol, I remember in the transcript it shows him taking shots of whisky and makes grossed out facial expressions after he takes a drink of it. He thought it probably looked cool to drink on camera. Also didn't Dylan make fun of him for not knowing how to inhale cigarettes?

I remember Dylan writing about drinking every once in awhile and I could see him getting high/drunk more often than eric but again I don't think he was super into pot to worship it like others do on 4/20. But again, we don't know if that was the real date or not. I still thought I read somewhere it was supposed to be the 19th which would make sense since it was a monday, what did eric and dylan do on the 19th? Go to school like normal?
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That is true. Could have been in reference to pot. I also dont think they were heavy users of it. Maybe here and there.


It’s another contradiction of Eric as well. Because in the survey he took he wrote down that he like to get high and go bowling. But then he also talked about not liking to be high or drunk because he didn’t like feeling out of control.

I think Devon said in interview that she had a picture of Dylan when he was stoned, or looked stoned,  and he kind a looks stoned in the picture from birthday party. I think Dylan definitely self medicated with alcohol and pot more often

Maybe it was the military background of erics dad that influenced him to be more in control or maybe he just liked being in control most of the time. I don't recall him being big into drugs and alcohol, I remember in the transcript it shows him taking shots of whisky and makes grossed out facial expressions after he takes a drink of it. He thought it probably looked cool to drink on camera. Also didn't Dylan make fun of him for not knowing how to inhale cigarettes?

I remember Dylan writing about drinking every once in awhile and I could see him getting high/drunk more often than eric but again I don't think he was super into pot to worship it like others do on 4/20. But again, we don't know if that was the real date or not. I still thought I read somewhere it was supposed to be the 19th which would make sense since it was a monday, what did eric and dylan do on the 19th? Go to school like normal?


At the end of Radioactive Clothing Dylan teases Eric about not being able to light a cigarette

Monday was a normal school day for them. Dylan wrote a note in calculus about it being 36 hours before.

Dylan recorded the breakfast run video for class.

Then that night they went to outback

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That is true. Could have been in reference to pot. I also dont think they were heavy users of it. Maybe here and there.


It’s another contradiction of Eric as well. Because in the survey he took he wrote down that he like to get high and go bowling. But then he also talked about not liking to be high or drunk because he didn’t like feeling out of control.

I think Devon said in interview that she had a picture of Dylan when he was stoned, or looked stoned,  and he kind a looks stoned in the picture from birthday party. I think Dylan definitely self medicated with alcohol and pot more often

Maybe it was the military background of erics dad that influenced him to be more in control or maybe he just liked being in control most of the time. I don't recall him being big into drugs and alcohol, I remember in the transcript it shows him taking shots of whisky and makes grossed out facial expressions after he takes a drink of it. He thought it probably looked cool to drink on camera. Also didn't Dylan make fun of him for not knowing how to inhale cigarettes?

I remember Dylan writing about drinking every once in awhile and I could see him getting high/drunk more often than eric but again I don't think he was super into pot to worship it like others do on 4/20. But again, we don't know if that was the real date or not. I still thought I read somewhere it was supposed to be the 19th which would make sense since it was a monday, what did eric and dylan do on the 19th? Go to school like normal?


At the end of Radioactive Clothing Dylan teases Eric about not being able to light a cigarette

Monday was a normal school day for them. Dylan wrote a note in calculus about it being 36 hours before.

Dylan recorded the breakfast run video for class.

Then that night they went to outback

I've seen the breakfast video but didn't know that was on the 19th! Also I knew they went to outback on the night of the 19th, I'm sure that's were the potato skins in dylan's stomach came from, Sue said dylan came home and basically went up to his room the rest of the night. Very sad point in my opinion, also his official "goodbye" in the morning, seemed so impersonal and sarcastic but at that point there was no turning back and he was probably already disconnected from reality.
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That is true. Could have been in reference to pot. I also dont think they were heavy users of it. Maybe here and there.


It’s another contradiction of Eric as well. Because in the survey he took he wrote down that he like to get high and go bowling. But then he also talked about not liking to be high or drunk because he didn’t like feeling out of control.

I think Devon said in interview that she had a picture of Dylan when he was stoned, or looked stoned,  and he kind a looks stoned in the picture from birthday party. I think Dylan definitely self medicated with alcohol and pot more often

Maybe it was the military background of erics dad that influenced him to be more in control or maybe he just liked being in control most of the time. I don't recall him being big into drugs and alcohol, I remember in the transcript it shows him taking shots of whisky and makes grossed out facial expressions after he takes a drink of it. He thought it probably looked cool to drink on camera. Also didn't Dylan make fun of him for not knowing how to inhale cigarettes?

I remember Dylan writing about drinking every once in awhile and I could see him getting high/drunk more often than eric but again I don't think he was super into pot to worship it like others do on 4/20. But again, we don't know if that was the real date or not. I still thought I read somewhere it was supposed to be the 19th which would make sense since it was a monday, what did eric and dylan do on the 19th? Go to school like normal?


At the end of Radioactive Clothing Dylan teases Eric about not being able to light a cigarette

Monday was a normal school day for them. Dylan wrote a note in calculus about it being 36 hours before.

Dylan recorded the breakfast run video for class.

Then that night they went to outback

I've seen the breakfast video but didn't know that was on the 19th! Also I knew they went to outback on the night of the 19th, I'm sure that's were the potato skins in dylan's stomach came from, Sue said dylan came home and basically went up to his room the rest of the night. Very sad point in my opinion, also his official "goodbye" in the morning, seemed so impersonal and sarcastic but at that point there was no turning back and he was probably already disconnected from reality.

From the stories she’s told it sounds like he was as trying to distance himself for a while.

I can’t imagine how Zach felt after talking to him the night before.

I know she said she wish that she would’ve stopped him from leaving because of the tone of his voice. She felt like something was wrong.

I wish we knew what Eric was like the night before.

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That is true. Could have been in reference to pot. I also dont think they were heavy users of it. Maybe here and there.


It’s another contradiction of Eric as well. Because in the survey he took he wrote down that he like to get high and go bowling. But then he also talked about not liking to be high or drunk because he didn’t like feeling out of control.

I think Devon said in interview that she had a picture of Dylan when he was stoned, or looked stoned,  and he kind a looks stoned in the picture from birthday party. I think Dylan definitely self medicated with alcohol and pot more often

Maybe it was the military background of erics dad that influenced him to be more in control or maybe he just liked being in control most of the time. I don't recall him being big into drugs and alcohol, I remember in the transcript it shows him taking shots of whisky and makes grossed out facial expressions after he takes a drink of it. He thought it probably looked cool to drink on camera. Also didn't Dylan make fun of him for not knowing how to inhale cigarettes?

I remember Dylan writing about drinking every once in awhile and I could see him getting high/drunk more often than eric but again I don't think he was super into pot to worship it like others do on 4/20. But again, we don't know if that was the real date or not. I still thought I read somewhere it was supposed to be the 19th which would make sense since it was a monday, what did eric and dylan do on the 19th? Go to school like normal?


At the end of Radioactive Clothing Dylan teases Eric about not being able to light a cigarette

Monday was a normal school day for them. Dylan wrote a note in calculus about it being 36 hours before.

Dylan recorded the breakfast run video for class.

Then that night they went to outback

I've seen the breakfast video but didn't know that was on the 19th! Also I knew they went to outback on the night of the 19th, I'm sure that's were the potato skins in dylan's stomach came from, Sue said dylan came home and basically went up to his room the rest of the night. Very sad point in my opinion, also his official "goodbye" in the morning, seemed so impersonal and sarcastic but at that point there was no turning back and he was probably already disconnected from reality.

From the stories she’s told it sounds like he was as trying to distance himself for a while.

I can’t imagine how Zach felt after talking to him the night before.

I know she said she wish that she would’ve stopped him from leaving because of the tone of his voice. She felt like something was wrong.

I wish we knew what Eric was like the night before.

I do wish we have the insight from eric like we do with dylan
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In regards to Eric smoking: At the end of Radioactive Clothing, it looks to me like he draws a puff of smoke in his mouth and immediately blows it out. Like he doesn't actually inhale. (kind of like Bill Clinton) Anyway, it was just a small thing that jumped out at me the first time I watched it. Maybe the smoking was all for show.

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I must say you have excellent hearing. I wasn't able to hear what Dylan said to Eric after he lit his cigarette. Anyone else have that same problem?
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I must say you have excellent hearing. I wasn't able to hear what Dylan said to Eric after he lit his cigarette. Anyone else have that same problem?


No, just very high volume on my phone!

Dylan was also a bit soft spoken at times... and tended to mumble.

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I must say you have excellent hearing. I wasn't able to hear what Dylan said to Eric after he lit his cigarette. Anyone else have that same problem?


No, just very high volume on my phone!

Dylan was also a bit soft spoken at times... and tended  to mumble.

Also it was recorded on an old condenser mic from the video camera from afar which doesn't help
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Dylan is a trending topic according to my google...a website called heavy explains “5 facts we need to know about Dylan”

Okay 1999 thanks for letting us know Dylan liked the Red Sox and was nicknamed Vodka. I had no freaking clue!!!

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Okay 1999 thanks for letting us know Dylan liked the Red Sox and was nicknamed Vodka. I had no freaking clue!!!

Haha nice facts from that site
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The twentieth anniversary is so soon... holy crap

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Right now, it's about nine in the evening in Colorado. At this moment twenty years ago, fifteen people were getting ready for the upcoming school week. But only two of them knew that the week would be ending early.

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I just got of the church service in honor of the anniversary.

I’ll be going to Clement Park on Saturday

If anyone wants to hear about it let me know. Patrick Ireland and Crystal Woodman spoke as well as others

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In Colorado, it's after midnight on April 19. At this moment in 1999, fifteen people had just begun the final full 24-hour day of their lives. Within 36 hours, fourteen of them would be dead and one of them would be dying.

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In 2 weeks, I will be 20 years old. It must be pretty strange for a lot of people to think that 1999 and Columbine was 20 years ago and that people born around that time (like me) are adults.
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I feel old just thinking about it. I was 16 in 99. There's a lot of "Columbine: 20 Years Later" videos posted on Facebook by a whole bunch of news channels. One had me in tears.
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I'm definitely feeling very bummed out. Can't imagine how the victims' family and friends (as well as E&D's) haven been feeling this past week.

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It's approximately 0.5 C warmer globally now than in 1999. Eighteen of the nineteen warmest years on record have occurred since 2001. On April 20th 1999 it was an unseasonably warm day in Colorado.
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It’s going to be almost 80 tomorrow!

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Spookier still..fifteen trees were planted in Clement Park in memorial to the victims. How prescient.

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Its almost sad that an event like this has "anniversaries" and the media will continue to bring it up. I bet every "anniversary" just hurts the families and survivors by constantly bringing it up
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Its the 20th where I live right now.
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I read a post from a survivor this is the 20th anniversary of their last normal day.


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On this day in 1999, In just 24 hours, the lives of 13 people will be taken away
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British TV even mentioned Columbine today, they said Eric and Dylan used "assault weapons" and how it inspired Sandy Hook and Parkland.

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British TV even mentioned Columbine today, they said Eric and Dylan used "assault weapons" and how it inspired Sandy Hook and Parkland.

Do you think they might talk about it in the British newspapers? I was planning to go to Paris and to buy a newspaper where they could talk about it, but I am not sure if I should go tomorrow and buy a British one or go on the 21 and buy an American one.
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British TV even mentioned Columbine today, they said Eric and Dylan used "assault weapons" and how it inspired Sandy Hook and Parkland.

Do you think they might talk about it in the British newspapers? I was planning to go to Paris and to buy a newspaper where they could talk about it, but I am not sure if I should go tomorrow and buy a British one or go on the 21 and buy an American one.
Maybe they will, it depends really. Although I wouldn't buy a one tbh, British tabloids are notorious for being dreadful and full of inaccuracies.

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British TV even mentioned Columbine today, they said Eric and Dylan used "assault weapons" and how it inspired Sandy Hook and Parkland.

Do you think they might talk about it in the British newspapers? I was planning to go to Paris and to buy a newspaper where they could talk about it, but I am not sure if I should go tomorrow and buy a British one or go on the 21 and buy an American one.
Maybe they will, it depends really. Although I wouldn't buy a one tbh, British tabloids are notorious for being dreadful and full of inaccuracies.  

Yeah, I noticed that! But I don't expect to learn anything new from them tbh, just a few pictures for memory and I would be happy.
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