Florida yoga studio shooting: Two killed and four injured

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do hot yoga, I never thought I’d have to fear a shooting during my practice

I don't think that would ever happen, since I can only recall 2 mass murders (including this one) that occurred at a Gym/Yoga place. If you want to feel safe I would recommend getting a concealed carry licence, or at least some pepper spray or a Taser.

I have pepper spray and have been toying with getting my concealed carry.

I have also been giving [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] some long distance Self Defense lessons, tips, random pointers on defending herself etc!

I'll be interested in knowing what those magic tips are, because when like me you don't even have the right to have a pepper spray (so let's not even talk about knives or guns), I don't know how it is possible to defend myself against someone who doesn't respect the law and attack me...

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]   A swift, hard jab to the throat, then follow up with a hard knee to the groin. One alternative to the throat jab would be a hard upward palm strike to the nose, THEN follow it up with the knee to the groin.

There are different variations of the first move. You could also use keys to blind the attacker, if they are already clutched tight in between your fingers etc.  They actually make key chains designed for this very purpose. These are shaped like a kitty face, the ears are pointed.

You can find many such things in any self defense magazine or buy them online here, although it does vary from state to state.  BUT I don't know if you would be allowed something like that over there.


Also I have to add that the fact you have no means to lawfully protect yourself pisses me off.

Thanks! I'll practice in my room.

Yeah, I hate the fact that bad people do not respect the law and can have weapons, whereas honest people cannot even protect themselves. But now thanks to your advice I will be able to defend myself, man you better not assault me, I was coached by the best of the best.

Seriously though sometimes it's better to break stupid laws just a bit if it means you don't end up getting robbed, raped, attacked, etc. If you can find pepper spray buy it. Hell make a homemade batch if need be and put it in a spray bottle. Anything to protect yourself.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do hot yoga, I never thought I’d have to fear a shooting during my practice

I don't think that would ever happen, since I can only recall 2 mass murders (including this one) that occurred at a Gym/Yoga place. If you want to feel safe I would recommend getting a concealed carry licence, or at least some pepper spray or a Taser.

I have pepper spray and have been toying with getting my concealed carry.

I have also been giving [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] some long distance Self Defense lessons, tips, random pointers on defending herself etc!

I'll be interested in knowing what those magic tips are, because when like me you don't even have the right to have a pepper spray (so let's not even talk about knives or guns), I don't know how it is possible to defend myself against someone who doesn't respect the law and attack me...

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]   A swift, hard jab to the throat, then follow up with a hard knee to the groin. One alternative to the throat jab would be a hard upward palm strike to the nose, THEN follow it up with the knee to the groin.

There are different variations of the first move. You could also use keys to blind the attacker, if they are already clutched tight in between your fingers etc.  They actually make key chains designed for this very purpose. These are shaped like a kitty face, the ears are pointed.

You can find many such things in any self defense magazine or buy them online here, although it does vary from state to state.  BUT I don't know if you would be allowed something like that over there.


Also I have to add that the fact you have no means to lawfully protect yourself pisses me off.

Thanks! I'll practice in my room.

Yeah, I hate the fact that bad people do not respect the law and can have weapons, whereas honest people cannot even protect themselves. But now thanks to your advice I will be able to defend myself, man you better not assault me, I was coached by the best of the best.

Seriously though sometimes it's better to break stupid laws just a bit if it means you don't end up getting robbed, raped, attacked, etc. If you can find pepper spray buy it. Hell make a homemade batch if need be and put it in a spray bottle. Anything to protect yourself.

Yeah, I tend to think that better spend an hour with the police than be dead. But with all those terror attacks nowadays people often check bags so it would be quickly confiscated at best, and at worse I could have legal issues...

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do hot yoga, I never thought I’d have to fear a shooting during my practice

I don't think that would ever happen, since I can only recall 2 mass murders (including this one) that occurred at a Gym/Yoga place. If you want to feel safe I would recommend getting a concealed carry licence, or at least some pepper spray or a Taser.

I have pepper spray and have been toying with getting my concealed carry.

I have also been giving [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] some long distance Self Defense lessons, tips, random pointers on defending herself etc!

I'll be interested in knowing what those magic tips are, because when like me you don't even have the right to have a pepper spray (so let's not even talk about knives or guns), I don't know how it is possible to defend myself against someone who doesn't respect the law and attack me...

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]   A swift, hard jab to the throat, then follow up with a hard knee to the groin. One alternative to the throat jab would be a hard upward palm strike to the nose, THEN follow it up with the knee to the groin.

There are different variations of the first move. You could also use keys to blind the attacker, if they are already clutched tight in between your fingers etc.  They actually make key chains designed for this very purpose. These are shaped like a kitty face, the ears are pointed.

You can find many such things in any self defense magazine or buy them online here, although it does vary from state to state.  BUT I don't know if you would be allowed something like that over there.


Also I have to add that the fact you have no means to lawfully protect yourself pisses me off.

Thanks! I'll practice in my room.

Yeah, I hate the fact that bad people do not respect the law and can have weapons, whereas honest people cannot even protect themselves. But now thanks to your advice I will be able to defend myself, man you better not assault me, I was coached by the best of the best.

Seriously though sometimes it's better to break stupid laws just a bit if it means you don't end up getting robbed, raped, attacked, etc. If you can find pepper spray buy it. Hell make a homemade batch if need be and put it in a spray bottle. Anything to protect yourself.

Yeah, I tend to think that better spend an hour with the police than be dead. But with all those terror attacks nowadays people often check bags so it would be quickly confiscated at best, and at worse I could have legal issues...

That truly sucks.

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Scott Beierle posed as a customer inside the Hot Yoga Tallahassee studio before opening fire with a handgun without any warning, according to the Tallahassee Police Department.

Officer Damon Miller, a spokesman for TPD, said investigators came to that determination after interviewing dozens of witnesses and reviewing evidence at the scene in Midtown.

Miller said investigators are still trying to determine his connection to the victims or the business. They're hoping evidence at his home will point to a motive.

"Investigators have been working around the clock to uncover more information and gain clarity as to why this senseless act occurred," Miller said.

Jeff Binkley, the father of slain 21-year-old Maura Binkley, said police told him the incident was a random act.

It’s not clear why Beierle was in Tallahassee. He attended Florida State University several years ago but most recently resided in Deltona. He had a room at a local hotel, though police didn’t say which one. Officers searched the hotel room and began a search of his residence in Volusia County this morning, Miller said.

Miller said multiple search warrants have been obtained for the Beierle’s electronic devices and social media profiles. Violent crimes investigators and forensic specialists are attending autopsies of the dead.



Hopefully more information will be released soon.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do hot yoga, I never thought I’d have to fear a shooting during my practice

I don't think that would ever happen, since I can only recall 2 mass murders (including this one) that occurred at a Gym/Yoga place. If you want to feel safe I would recommend getting a concealed carry licence, or at least some pepper spray or a Taser.

I have pepper spray and have been toying with getting my concealed carry.

I have also been giving [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] some long distance Self Defense lessons, tips, random pointers on defending herself etc!

This is true, especially on the mean streets of Denver.

In all honesty I have been harassed more in Denver than when I lived in LA or NYC!!!! Not excessively everyday but I have felt the need for self defense the most since I moved here.

I live in the burbs and I often tell people it is a very safe place, the biggest crime was the mass murder that happened 19 years ago and those who don't remember where it happened get confused... sighs...

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brooding military veteran and former teacher who railed at women and blacks in a series of poorly lit videos shot two women to death and wounded five other people at a Florida yoga studio before killing himself.

The Friday evening shooting at a busy upscale shopping plaza jolted the state capital and police said they were still searching for a motive that led to the deaths of a Florida State University student and a well-known local doctor who was a member of the school faculty.

But details about 40-year-old Scott Paul Beierle began to emerge in the hours after, including that he had once been banned from FSU’s campus and had been arrested twice for grabbing women even though the charges were ultimately dropped.

Beierle, who had moved to the central Florida town of Deltona after getting a graduate degree from FSU, also appear to post a series of videos on YouTube in 2014 where he called women "whores" if they dated black men, said many black women were "disgusting" and described himself as a misogynist.

He said promiscuous women deserved to be crucified and he suggested putting up land mines to keep people from crossing into the US from Mexico. The existence of the videos was first reported by BuzzFeed.

In one video, he likened his adolescent self to Elliot Rodger, a 22-year-old who killed six students and wounded more than a dozen others near the University of California, Santa Barbara, before killing himself in 2014. Rodger was a self-identified "incel," short for "involuntary celibate."


Tallahassee police say Beierle shot six people and pistol-whipped another after walking into the yoga studio that sits on the second floor of a shopping centre located near the city’s fashionable midtown neighborhoods. Tallahassee Police Chief Michael DeLeo said some in the studio showed courage by trying to stop him.

Witnesses at the shopping centre described how people who had been in the studio ran away, seeking shelter in nearby bars and restaurants as shots rang out.

Police responded within a few minutes, but by then Beirele had fatally shot himself, leaving police to search for a motive and a community to wonder what prompted the violence.

"It’s a place that brings me joy and peace, and I think it’s ruined," said Katie Bohnett, an instructor at the yoga studio who skipped her normal Friday practice to meet a friend for dinner. "This monster ruined it."

Police said Beierle acted alone but they were still looking into what prompted the shooting. He was originally from New York, had served in the military and once was a teacher in Maryland. After his military service, he wound up attending FSU.

Kristi Malone, who had a graduate class with Beierle, said in a Facebook message that she did not interact with him outside of the classroom because of "his odd leering, inappropriate comments and general demeanor."

"I know that myself and several of my female colleagues made a point to never be alone with him even at school because of his odd behavior," Malone said.

Mike Orgo, who was friends with Beierle on Facebook, said he met him back in 2011 at comedy night open microphone sessions held at a Tallahassee restaurant. He said that he did not know him well but said he "definitely seemed angry and on edge."

Witnesses told police that Beierle posed as a customer to gain entrance to the studio, then started shooting without warning. Police have not yet said what kind of gun he used. Bohnett said she did not recognize Beierle.

The two slain Friday were a student and faculty member at Florida State University, according to university officials. The department identified them as Dr. Nancy Van Vessem, 61, and Maura Binkley, 21. Binkley was a student from Atlanta who was due to graduate in May. Police said two other victims were in stable condition, and three had been released from the hospital.

Van Vessem was an internist who also served as chief medical director for Capital Health Plan, the area’s leading health maintenance organization.

Court records show that Beierle was charged by police with battery in 2016 after he slapped and grabbed a woman’s buttocks at an apartment complex pool. Records show that the charges were eventually dismissed after Beierle followed the conditions of a deferred prosecution agreement.

Beierle was also charged with battery in 2012 for grabbing women’s buttocks in a university campus dining hall. A FSU police report shows that Beierle told police he may have accidentally bumped into someone, but denied grabbing anyone.

In 2014, Beierle was charged with trespassing at FSU. He had been seen following an FSU volleyball coach near the campus gym and was told that he was banned from campus. A month later police found him at a campus restaurant.

It was shortly after his trespassing charges that he posted the series of videos. A Tallahassee police spokesman would not confirm or deny the videos were Beierle’s. Biographical details mentioned in the videos, however, match known facts about Beierle, including details about his military service. YouTube took the videos down Saturday.



Well I'll be damned, the guy was an Elliot Rodger supporter; I think this is the 3rd attack inspired by him now? 4th if we count Nikolas Cruz.

Tommy QTR wrote:

This is the suspected perpetrator:

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Source I got this from said he posted this to Facebook when he was serving in Germany. I guess he was in the military for a brief amount of time.

How can you serve in the military and pull off a room clearing operation worse than Randy Stair?

AlteRoad wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

This is the suspected perpetrator:

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Source I got this from said he posted this to Facebook when he was serving in Germany. I guess he was in the military for a brief amount of time.

How can you serve in the military and pull off a room clearing operation worse than Randy Stair?

Well someone did try to tackle him but got pistol whipped, he then committed suicide afterwards so I imagine that did cut his shooting short.

AlteRoad wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

This is the suspected perpetrator:

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Source I got this from said he posted this to Facebook when he was serving in Germany. I guess he was in the military for a brief amount of time.

How can you serve in the military and pull off a room clearing operation worse than Randy Stair?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  If Hell truly exists then I have just reserved my place in it by how hard I laughed at that!

I love how much people mock Randy Stair. Is it because he used to be a forum member and needs to be shamed for what he did? Or is it just because of his cartoon obsession?

miketheratguy wrote:

I love how much people mock Randy Stair. Is it because he used to be a forum member and needs to be shamed for what he did? Or is it just because of his cartoon obsession?

I think it has a lot to do with his cartoon obsession, also that he was a Brony. Then you have his target practice vids, its not a stretch to say that a blind person would have had better accuracy.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

I love how much people mock Randy Stair. Is it because he used to be a forum member and needs to be shamed for what he did? Or is it just because of his cartoon obsession?

I think it has a lot to do with his cartoon obsession, also that he was a Brony. Then you have his target practice vids, its not a stretch to say that a blind person would have had better accuracy.  

Oh yeah, I did hear about that. He's someone that I never heard of before coming this site which, I guess, speaks for his abilities in general.

miketheratguy wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

I love how much people mock Randy Stair. Is it because he used to be a forum member and needs to be shamed for what he did? Or is it just because of his cartoon obsession?

I think it has a lot to do with his cartoon obsession, also that he was a Brony. Then you have his target practice vids, its not a stretch to say that a blind person would have had better accuracy.  

Oh yeah, I did hear about that. He's someone that I never heard of before coming this site which, I guess, speaks for his abilities in general.

He was a very long winded guy. The amount of material he left behind is astounding. BUT I also think it is one reason there is no interest in the case. He documented EVERYTHING down to the last detail, so there are no questions that keep people wondering what happened or why he did what he did.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

He was a very long winded guy. The amount of material he left behind is astounding. BUT I also think it is one reason there is no interest in the case. He documented EVERYTHING down to the last detail, so there are no questions that keep people wondering what happened or why he did what he did.

Oh right, wasn't he the one who left like 160 gigs of videos or something like that? Man, that guy must have had a lot of time on his hands. Seems like he was really dedicated to the things that interested him.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

I love how much people mock Randy Stair. Is it because he used to be a forum member and needs to be shamed for what he did? Or is it just because of his cartoon obsession?

I think it has a lot to do with his cartoon obsession, also that he was a Brony. Then you have his target practice vids, its not a stretch to say that a blind person would have had better accuracy.  

Oh yeah, I did hear about that. He's someone that I never heard of before coming this site which, I guess, speaks for his abilities in general.

He was a very long winded guy. The amount of material he left behind is astounding. BUT I also think it is one reason there is no interest in the case. He documented EVERYTHING down to the last detail, so there are no questions that keep people wondering what happened or why he did what he did.

He never really answered why he did it, despite making 20 hours of vlogs dedicated to his workplace shooting. It's just that nobody really cares, because most people don't pay attention to workers going postal and he came off as such a comical figure. Instead of the badass anti-hero he wanted to be, he just came off as a wacky, incompetent goofball with daddy issues and a creepy fixation on a cartoon character.

AlteRoad wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

I love how much people mock Randy Stair. Is it because he used to be a forum member and needs to be shamed for what he did? Or is it just because of his cartoon obsession?

I think it has a lot to do with his cartoon obsession, also that he was a Brony. Then you have his target practice vids, its not a stretch to say that a blind person would have had better accuracy.  

Oh yeah, I did hear about that. He's someone that I never heard of before coming this site which, I guess, speaks for his abilities in general.

He was a very long winded guy. The amount of material he left behind is astounding. BUT I also think it is one reason there is no interest in the case. He documented EVERYTHING down to the last detail, so there are no questions that keep people wondering what happened or why he did what he did.

He never really answered why he did it, despite making 20 hours of vlogs dedicated to his workplace shooting. It's just that nobody really cares, because most people don't pay attention to workers going postal and he came off as such a comical figure. Instead of the badass anti-hero he wanted to be, he just came off as a wacky, incompetent goofball with daddy issues and a creepy fixation on a cartoon character.

While I do agree that Randy did set up his own downfall popular shooter wise with all the cringe worthy things he left behind,  he did pretty much say that he was tired of living the life he had and wanted to join his made up Ghost Squad. I mean that was supposedly the main reason he did it.  

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

AlteRoad wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

I love how much people mock Randy Stair. Is it because he used to be a forum member and needs to be shamed for what he did? Or is it just because of his cartoon obsession?

I think it has a lot to do with his cartoon obsession, also that he was a Brony. Then you have his target practice vids, its not a stretch to say that a blind person would have had better accuracy.  

Oh yeah, I did hear about that. He's someone that I never heard of before coming this site which, I guess, speaks for his abilities in general.

He was a very long winded guy. The amount of material he left behind is astounding. BUT I also think it is one reason there is no interest in the case. He documented EVERYTHING down to the last detail, so there are no questions that keep people wondering what happened or why he did what he did.

He never really answered why he did it, despite making 20 hours of vlogs dedicated to his workplace shooting. It's just that nobody really cares, because most people don't pay attention to workers going postal and he came off as such a comical figure. Instead of the badass anti-hero he wanted to be, he just came off as a wacky, incompetent goofball with daddy issues and a creepy fixation on a cartoon character.

While I do agree that Randy did set up his own downfall popular shooter wise with all the cringe worthy things he left behind,  he did pretty much say that he was tired of living the life he had and wanted to join his made up Ghost Squad. I mean that was supposedly the main reason he did it.   

He also blamed it on getting into a car accident and some guy he barely knew killing himself. In my opinion, EGS was just a psychopomp which made death easier to stomach for Randy. At least, that's what I got from the death and rebirth aspect of his videos where he was raped by a whale and cut apart a dime store frog at the command of a cartoon ghost. God, I have no idea how he expected to be taken seriously by anyone. Yet again, there's people like Naze out there.

AlteRoad wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

AlteRoad wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

I love how much people mock Randy Stair. Is it because he used to be a forum member and needs to be shamed for what he did? Or is it just because of his cartoon obsession?

I think it has a lot to do with his cartoon obsession, also that he was a Brony. Then you have his target practice vids, its not a stretch to say that a blind person would have had better accuracy.  

Oh yeah, I did hear about that. He's someone that I never heard of before coming this site which, I guess, speaks for his abilities in general.

He was a very long winded guy. The amount of material he left behind is astounding. BUT I also think it is one reason there is no interest in the case. He documented EVERYTHING down to the last detail, so there are no questions that keep people wondering what happened or why he did what he did.

He never really answered why he did it, despite making 20 hours of vlogs dedicated to his workplace shooting. It's just that nobody really cares, because most people don't pay attention to workers going postal and he came off as such a comical figure. Instead of the badass anti-hero he wanted to be, he just came off as a wacky, incompetent goofball with daddy issues and a creepy fixation on a cartoon character.

While I do agree that Randy did set up his own downfall popular shooter wise with all the cringe worthy things he left behind,  he did pretty much say that he was tired of living the life he had and wanted to join his made up Ghost Squad. I mean that was supposedly the main reason he did it.   

He also blamed it on getting into a car accident and some guy he barely knew killing himself. In my opinion, EGS was just a psychopomp which made death easier to stomach for Randy. At least, that's what I got from the death and rebirth aspect of his videos where he was raped by a whale and cut apart a dime store frog at the command of a cartoon ghost. God, I have no idea how he expected to be taken seriously by anyone. Yet again, there's people like Naze out there.

Randy truly had some very weird thoughts and his videos were somewhat strange, I'll give you that. But I also think he had some mental issues mixed in there somewhere as well.

Prostitution should really be legal nationwide. It would solve a lot of the incel problems.

It’s interesting you say that, I believe from my research into incels they would never pay for sex. They find themselves too above it.

Screamingophelia wrote:

It’s interesting you say that, I believe from my research into incels they would never pay for sex. They find themselves too above it.

And sex is not everything. Incels also seek love or am I wrong?

bradt93 wrote:

Prostitution should really be legal nationwide. It would solve a lot of the incel problems.

OR could possibly make it worse when someone couldn't even pay a prostitute to have sex with them. You have to look at it from both angles.

Neah wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

It’s interesting you say that, I believe from my research into incels they would never pay for sex. They find themselves too above it.

And sex is not everything. Incels also seek love or am I wrong?

Yeah a lot of them do want the love and validation that comes out of a relationship.

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

I still don't understand how people can be in a relationship. You have to be in love with someone who is also in love with you, it seems impossible for me. But given that almost everyone is in couple I guess it is  easier than I think. Maybe girls expect boys to do the move, and these not bad looking men who say they are incels are too shy to ask anyone?

Maybe calling yourself an incel is also a fad for some men.

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

Definitely more than looks. Even if someone is objectively attractive it doesn’t mean that personality wise they can connect with others.

Case in point objectively many people say that Eric was handsome. Eric also did not take Rejection well and would harass women and fake suicides after they dumped him. No girl wants to deal with that especially not a 14 or 15-year-olds. No parent would want their daughter around a guy like Eric after he acts like that. Heck Tom and Sue didn’t really want Dylan to hang out with Eric after he yelled at him at the soccer game


Then take beauties in it in the eyes of the holder. Dylan is not objectively attractive at first but some of those photographs and videos of him you could see that he had some really nice features. He was also very shy, also had a very absurd sense of humor that didn’t really fit in with the culture that he was in.Dylan was also objectively mentally Ill...None of us knew Dylan but from his writings you could see he was deteriorating and we don’t know how he was in his day to day life.

Neah wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

I still don't understand how people can be in a relationship. You have to be in love with someone who is also in love with you, it seems impossible for me. But given that almost everyone is in couple I guess it is  easier than I think. Maybe girls expect boys to do the move, and these not bad looking men who say they are incels are too shy to ask anyone?

Maybe calling yourself an incel is also a fad for some men.

Most incels are incels mainly because of either anxiety disorders, shyness, or wanting more than just sex (i.e. a proper loving relationship with someone who cares about them as they do for their partner. This is why a lot of incels refuse to have sex with prostitutes [and also because prostitutes are human waste])

D-FENS1993 wrote:

Neah wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

I still don't understand how people can be in a relationship. You have to be in love with someone who is also in love with you, it seems impossible for me. But given that almost everyone is in couple I guess it is  easier than I think. Maybe girls expect boys to do the move, and these not bad looking men who say they are incels are too shy to ask anyone?

Maybe calling yourself an incel is also a fad for some men.

Most incels are incels mainly because of either anxiety disorders, shyness, or wanting more than just sex (i.e. a proper loving relationship with someone who cares about them as they do for their partner. This is why a lot of incels refuse to have sex with prostitutes [and also because prostitutes are human waste])

Prostitutes are not human waste, many of them are poor exploited women who hate what they are doing and would like to leave this environment. Maybe most incels have some values and respect for the others and don't want to see prostitutes and contribute to this exploitation. But I think their main reason for not going to prostitutes is that as you said they don't want to have sex with a body only, they want love and sentiments and prostitution is all fake sentiments.

Screamingophelia wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

Definitely more than looks. Even if someone is objectively attractive it doesn’t mean that personality wise they can connect with others.

Case in point objectively many people say that Eric was handsome. Eric also did not take Rejection well and would harass women and fake suicides after they dumped him. No girl wants to deal with that especially not a 14 or 15-year-olds. No parent would want their daughter around a guy like Eric after he acts like that. Heck Tom and Sue didn’t really want Dylan to hang out with Eric after he yelled at him at the soccer game.

Agreed. Eric was a decent looking guy, he did date. He wasn't the ladies man that Cullen tried to make him out to be. BUT he did get a few dates.  Yet as I have talked about before, there was just something very off about Eric that would make almost all these girls back away from him. We have been told many times that Eric was very polite, had a good sense of humor, would always tell the girls that he was friends with that they were pretty and would hug them etc. Eric tried to be a gentleman, he did try. But the people he dated still picked up on something that made them back off. I'm not saying that Eric was EVIL, but he clearly had something wrong on a high enough level for some to notice it and get freaked out over it.  

On the surface you would look at Eric and see a normal, nice looking, smart guy. But clearly there was something very wrong on the inside.

If Eric and Dylan had just learned to embrace their latent homosexual feelings towards one another they could have solved a whole hell of a lot of problems.

miketheratguy wrote:

If Eric and Dylan had just learned to embrace their latent homosexual feelings towards one another they could have solved a whole hell of a lot of problems.

Fan girls always make Eric the dominant one even though Dylan was 7 inches taller and liked BDSM. It makes no sense

Screamingophelia wrote:

miketheratguy wrote:

If Eric and Dylan had just learned to embrace their latent homosexual feelings towards one another they could have solved a whole hell of a lot of problems.

Gan girls always make Eric the dominant one even though Dylan was 7 inches taller and liked BDSM. It makes no sense

Eric looked more butch. Dylan was probably a good cuddler.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

Definitely more than looks. Even if someone is objectively attractive it doesn’t mean that personality wise they can connect with others.

Case in point objectively many people say that Eric was handsome. Eric also did not take Rejection well and would harass women and fake suicides after they dumped him. No girl wants to deal with that especially not a 14 or 15-year-olds. No parent would want their daughter around a guy like Eric after he acts like that. Heck Tom and Sue didn’t really want Dylan to hang out with Eric after he yelled at him at the soccer game.

Agreed. Eric was a decent looking guy, he did date. He wasn't the ladies man that Cullen tried to make him out to be. BUT he did get a few dates.  Yet as I have talked about before, there was just something very off about Eric that would make almost all these girls back away from him. We have been told many times that Eric was very polite, had a good sense of humor, would always tell the girls that he was friends with that they were pretty and would hug them etc. Eric tried to be a gentleman, he did try. But the people he dated still picked up on something that made them back off. I'm not saying that Eric was EVIL, but he clearly had something wrong on a high enough level for some to notice it and get freaked out over it.  

On the surface you would look at Eric and see a normal, nice looking, smart guy. But clearly there was something very wrong on the inside.

That doesn't make sense though,if you have a good personality then women should want to date you. What do you think Eric's problem was if he had all those things?

bradt93 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

Definitely more than looks. Even if someone is objectively attractive it doesn’t mean that personality wise they can connect with others.

Case in point objectively many people say that Eric was handsome. Eric also did not take Rejection well and would harass women and fake suicides after they dumped him. No girl wants to deal with that especially not a 14 or 15-year-olds. No parent would want their daughter around a guy like Eric after he acts like that. Heck Tom and Sue didn’t really want Dylan to hang out with Eric after he yelled at him at the soccer game.

Agreed. Eric was a decent looking guy, he did date. He wasn't the ladies man that Cullen tried to make him out to be. BUT he did get a few dates.  Yet as I have talked about before, there was just something very off about Eric that would make almost all these girls back away from him. We have been told many times that Eric was very polite, had a good sense of humor, would always tell the girls that he was friends with that they were pretty and would hug them etc. Eric tried to be a gentleman, he did try. But the people he dated still picked up on something that made them back off. I'm not saying that Eric was EVIL, but he clearly had something wrong on a high enough level for some to notice it and get freaked out over it.  

On the surface you would look at Eric and see a normal, nice looking, smart guy. But clearly there was something very wrong on the inside.

That doesn't make sense though,if you have a good personality then women should want to date you. What do you think Eric's problem was if he had all those things?

Eric clearly wasn't right. As I said on his exterior he was normal, nice, etc. But down deeper he was just soul sick, twisted, the things he thought about were very strange and FAR from normal. Eric likely had a few different mental disorders. Which ones he may have had have been argued about and speculated on for near 20 years now. But its safe to say that Eric needed help, help that he unfortunately never received.

bradt93 wrote:

That doesn't make sense though,if you have a good personality then women should want to date you. What do you think Eric's problem was if he had all those things?

It's not that simple anyway. People are fickle, especially teenage girls. Good looks and a nice personality aren't necessarily enough. In fact, I've seen that a nice personality is often considered a turnoff. Another thing to note is that most women value charisma and confidence, traits which neither Eric nor Dylan seemed all that great at projecting in the school environment.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

Definitely more than looks. Even if someone is objectively attractive it doesn’t mean that personality wise they can connect with others.

Case in point objectively many people say that Eric was handsome. Eric also did not take Rejection well and would harass women and fake suicides after they dumped him. No girl wants to deal with that especially not a 14 or 15-year-olds. No parent would want their daughter around a guy like Eric after he acts like that. Heck Tom and Sue didn’t really want Dylan to hang out with Eric after he yelled at him at the soccer game.

Agreed. Eric was a decent looking guy, he did date. He wasn't the ladies man that Cullen tried to make him out to be. BUT he did get a few dates.  Yet as I have talked about before, there was just something very off about Eric that would make almost all these girls back away from him. We have been told many times that Eric was very polite, had a good sense of humor, would always tell the girls that he was friends with that they were pretty and would hug them etc. Eric tried to be a gentleman, he did try. But the people he dated still picked up on something that made them back off. I'm not saying that Eric was EVIL, but he clearly had something wrong on a high enough level for some to notice it and get freaked out over it.  

On the surface you would look at Eric and see a normal, nice looking, smart guy. But clearly there was something very wrong on the inside.

That doesn't make sense though,if you have a good personality then women should want to date you. What do you think Eric's problem was if he had all those things?

Eric clearly wasn't right. As I said on his exterior he was normal, nice, etc. But down deeper he was just soul sick, twisted, the things he thought about were very strange and FAR from normal. Eric likely had a few different mental disorders. Which ones he may have had have been argued about and speculated on for near 20 years now. But its safe to say that Eric needed help, help that he unfortunately never received.  

I think with help and the right medication Eric may have gotten through but sometimes I don’t think Dylan would have

Towards the end neither of them saw a life for themselves after April 20.

bradt93 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

Definitely more than looks. Even if someone is objectively attractive it doesn’t mean that personality wise they can connect with others.

Case in point objectively many people say that Eric was handsome. Eric also did not take Rejection well and would harass women and fake suicides after they dumped him. No girl wants to deal with that especially not a 14 or 15-year-olds. No parent would want their daughter around a guy like Eric after he acts like that. Heck Tom and Sue didn’t really want Dylan to hang out with Eric after he yelled at him at the soccer game.

Agreed. Eric was a decent looking guy, he did date. He wasn't the ladies man that Cullen tried to make him out to be. BUT he did get a few dates.  Yet as I have talked about before, there was just something very off about Eric that would make almost all these girls back away from him. We have been told many times that Eric was very polite, had a good sense of humor, would always tell the girls that he was friends with that they were pretty and would hug them etc. Eric tried to be a gentleman, he did try. But the people he dated still picked up on something that made them back off. I'm not saying that Eric was EVIL, but he clearly had something wrong on a high enough level for some to notice it and get freaked out over it.  

On the surface you would look at Eric and see a normal, nice looking, smart guy. But clearly there was something very wrong on the inside.

That doesn't make sense though,if you have a good personality then women should want to date you. What do you think Eric's problem was if he had all those things?

Having a good personality isn't everything.

Tommy QTR wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

Definitely more than looks. Even if someone is objectively attractive it doesn’t mean that personality wise they can connect with others.

Case in point objectively many people say that Eric was handsome. Eric also did not take Rejection well and would harass women and fake suicides after they dumped him. No girl wants to deal with that especially not a 14 or 15-year-olds. No parent would want their daughter around a guy like Eric after he acts like that. Heck Tom and Sue didn’t really want Dylan to hang out with Eric after he yelled at him at the soccer game.

Agreed. Eric was a decent looking guy, he did date. He wasn't the ladies man that Cullen tried to make him out to be. BUT he did get a few dates.  Yet as I have talked about before, there was just something very off about Eric that would make almost all these girls back away from him. We have been told many times that Eric was very polite, had a good sense of humor, would always tell the girls that he was friends with that they were pretty and would hug them etc. Eric tried to be a gentleman, he did try. But the people he dated still picked up on something that made them back off. I'm not saying that Eric was EVIL, but he clearly had something wrong on a high enough level for some to notice it and get freaked out over it.  

On the surface you would look at Eric and see a normal, nice looking, smart guy. But clearly there was something very wrong on the inside.

That doesn't make sense though,if you have a good personality then women should want to date you. What do you think Eric's problem was if he had all those things?

Having a good personality isn't everything.

It's also a matter of chance. You have to find the person who matches.

Neah wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

Definitely more than looks. Even if someone is objectively attractive it doesn’t mean that personality wise they can connect with others.

Case in point objectively many people say that Eric was handsome. Eric also did not take Rejection well and would harass women and fake suicides after they dumped him. No girl wants to deal with that especially not a 14 or 15-year-olds. No parent would want their daughter around a guy like Eric after he acts like that. Heck Tom and Sue didn’t really want Dylan to hang out with Eric after he yelled at him at the soccer game.

Agreed. Eric was a decent looking guy, he did date. He wasn't the ladies man that Cullen tried to make him out to be. BUT he did get a few dates.  Yet as I have talked about before, there was just something very off about Eric that would make almost all these girls back away from him. We have been told many times that Eric was very polite, had a good sense of humor, would always tell the girls that he was friends with that they were pretty and would hug them etc. Eric tried to be a gentleman, he did try. But the people he dated still picked up on something that made them back off. I'm not saying that Eric was EVIL, but he clearly had something wrong on a high enough level for some to notice it and get freaked out over it.  

On the surface you would look at Eric and see a normal, nice looking, smart guy. But clearly there was something very wrong on the inside.

That doesn't make sense though,if you have a good personality then women should want to date you. What do you think Eric's problem was if he had all those things?

Having a good personality isn't everything.

It's also a matter of chance. You have to find the person who matches.

Some people never do, I mean Scott Beierle clearly didn't.

Tommy QTR wrote:

Neah wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

I've seen a lot of young guys pictures on reddit who say they are "incels", but these are not bad looking men. How can they not be in a relationship or is it more to it than looks on why they maybe an incel?

Definitely more than looks. Even if someone is objectively attractive it doesn’t mean that personality wise they can connect with others.

Case in point objectively many people say that Eric was handsome. Eric also did not take Rejection well and would harass women and fake suicides after they dumped him. No girl wants to deal with that especially not a 14 or 15-year-olds. No parent would want their daughter around a guy like Eric after he acts like that. Heck Tom and Sue didn’t really want Dylan to hang out with Eric after he yelled at him at the soccer game.

Agreed. Eric was a decent looking guy, he did date. He wasn't the ladies man that Cullen tried to make him out to be. BUT he did get a few dates.  Yet as I have talked about before, there was just something very off about Eric that would make almost all these girls back away from him. We have been told many times that Eric was very polite, had a good sense of humor, would always tell the girls that he was friends with that they were pretty and would hug them etc. Eric tried to be a gentleman, he did try. But the people he dated still picked up on something that made them back off. I'm not saying that Eric was EVIL, but he clearly had something wrong on a high enough level for some to notice it and get freaked out over it.  

On the surface you would look at Eric and see a normal, nice looking, smart guy. But clearly there was something very wrong on the inside.

That doesn't make sense though,if you have a good personality then women should want to date you. What do you think Eric's problem was if he had all those things?

Having a good personality isn't everything.

It's also a matter of chance. You have to find the person who matches.

Some people never do, I mean Scott Beierle clearly didn't.

Yeah, that's why I hate people who say: "You'll see when you'll meet the right one."

hey this got an ED article yet?

TheOne99 wrote:

hey this got an ED article yet?

It has a Wiki page already, not sure about ED.

After doing some research I've found 2 Youtube Channels and a website that was owned by Beierle:

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I also found his sound cloud but I don't know if I'm allowed to post that here.

Tommy QTR wrote:

After doing some research I've found 2 Youtube Channels and a website that was owned by Beierle:

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I also found his sound cloud but I don't know if I'm allowed to post that here.

Had any one tracked down other places or forums he may have been posting things to?

This guy was just not very good looking. Look at his jaw it is too round not square enough and his face is pudgy.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

After doing some research I've found 2 Youtube Channels and a website that was owned by Beierle:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I also found his sound cloud but I don't know if I'm allowed to post that here.

Had any one tracked down other places or forums he may have been posting things to?

I haven't found anything yet. I also checked out his website, he has a bunch of weird offensive songs and pictures of Ted Bundy and some Nazi general.

James411 wrote:

This guy was just not very good looking. Look at his jaw it is too round not square enough and his face is pudgy.

Somehow I'm sure his jawline wasn't the deciding factor in his decision to walk in there and kill innocent people.

Tommy QTR wrote:

After doing some research I've found 2 Youtube Channels and a website that was owned by Beierle:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I also found his sound cloud but I don't know if I'm allowed to post that here.

Could you please post his souncloud or pm it to me ? I've was looking for it the other day but couldn't find any that seemed legitimate. Thanks

Two more of Scott's Videos:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Two more of Scott's Videos:

WOW in the last vid it's clear he was angry, very caught up and fixated in how females treated him or how he perceived he was treated.

From a female viewpoint I will admit that some girls/woman are indeed quite mean and nasty, and can be drama queens.  This is why I always had more male friends then girl friends all through school and even today. I have a lot of guy friends, and maybe a handful of girl friends. I was never the mean girl type and saw no reason to act in that way. But then again I was ALWAYS very mature for my age, which is why my friends were usually older then me.

But he is right in saying that girls can be fucking ruthless when they want to be.  That still doesn't make his continually and inappropriately touching someone OK though. Nor justify killing innocent people.