Shooting at Christchurch Mosque

After the first shooting he started to be rather careful with his driving, but then he began to speed up, as if he thought that he was done so he could as well enjoy his last free moments, or as if he felt as in a video game or a movie.

Why is he 28 but looking 48?

Where was the music in the video coming from?

Probably from his car.

Koltin wrote:

Probably from his car.

Yeah, the nearer he is from his car the louder the music is but I thought we could also hear it when he was entering the mosque so I was ensure.

I think I've heard the heard the song that played during his shooting, it's either another Serbian Nationalist Song or I think is a song by the Golden Dawn (Greek Neo-Nazi Party).

Tommy QTR wrote:

I think I've heard the heard the song that played during his shooting, it's either another Serbian Nationalist Song or I think is a song by the Golden Dawn (Greek Neo-Nazi Party).

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R4YN3 wrote:

Anybody know the songs that were playing throughout the whole 17 minutes of footage? Specifically what was playing when he was inside the mosque shooting people? The songs in chronological order that I know were;
1) Serbia Strong (Right at the beginning as he was driving to the mosque.)
2) British Grenadiers (When he was parking his car and taking his gear.)
3) ??? (Playing during when the bulk of the killing was done inside the mosque.)
4) Gas Gas (Playing as he was leaving the scene on his vehicle.)

and these (according to a disreputable website which I thought should know the songs):

-Grün ist Ünser Fallschirm Remix (I think it was the song playing during the shooting, after British Grenadiers)
-Arthur Brown - Fire (apparently when he drives away from the mosque)


So if I understood correctly, the order is:

1) Serbia Strong
2) British Grenadiers
3) Grün ist Ünser Fallschirm Remix
4) Arthur Brown - Fire
5) Gas Gas Gas

I didn't check, I don't want to re-watch the video.


edit: The order seems correct, that's what everyone on the internet says. There has even been a compilation on youtube.

First mass shooting live on the internet...

The start of a new era, like after Columbine..

This crime should have his own section...

7kids wrote:

Why is he 28 but looking 48?

I mean, white supremacists never exactly look the greatest. They always look like like an awful representation of a human being.

Icarius wrote:

First mass shooting live on the internet...

I would even go further and say first "directed" mass shooting video. This guy had its own soundtrack and it fitted each stage of the event, this is crazy.

hvernon wrote:

7kids wrote:

Why is he 28 but looking 48?

I mean, white supremacists never exactly look the greatest. They always look like like an awful representation of a human being.

So much for claiming to be the "master race".

hvernon wrote:

7kids wrote:

Why is he 28 but looking 48?

I mean, white supremacists never exactly look the greatest. They always look like like an awful representation of a human being.

I remember reading Dr. Langman's first book on school shootings, and while talking about Eric and his inclinations towards prejudice mentioned a statistic about how a study done on a group of Neo-Nazis found that many of them had medical defects of some kind, suggesting that the adoption of such an extremist ideology is motivated by a need to overcompensate.

QuestionMark wrote:

hvernon wrote:

7kids wrote:

Why is he 28 but looking 48?

I mean, white supremacists never exactly look the greatest. They always look like like an awful representation of a human being.

I remember reading Dr. Langman's first book on school shootings, and while talking about Eric and his inclinations towards prejudice mentioned a statistic about how a study done on a group of Neo-Nazis found that many of them had medical defects of some kind, suggesting that the adoption of such an extremist ideology is motivated by a need to overcompensate.

I agree, that is another issue to overcompensate than the one I was trying to explain here, if you are interested I can send you the article (although I think it was overgeneralizing things and not enough deeply studied):

Neah wrote:

Studies have shown that many people who become far-right extremists (neo-nazis, white supremacists...) do so in order to feel accepted, to feel part of something. Maybe he lacked confidence because of bullying and his weight when he was a teenager. In an article by New Scientist (9 June 2018), a research by Pete Simi among 103 (only?!) former white supremacists has shown that "more than three-quarters report parental divorce". Obviously, to say that he committed the shooting because he was bullied and his parents divorced would be a wrong simplification, but it may partly explains why he radicalized in the first place.

Because radicalization needs a reason to exist u know...

Why not shoot up his school? or kill the people that harassed him?
The mosque victims did nothing to him, fucking cunt.

Probably popped a boner to seeing the bodies in the mosque and shooting them again.

Based on his writings, he probably would have fucked some of those corpses if not for the gopro.

Subdomine wrote:

Why not shoot up his school? or kill the people that harassed him?
The mosque victims did nothing to him, fucking cunt.

Probably popped a boner to seeing the bodies in the mosque and shooting them again.

Based on his writings, he probably would have fucked some of those corpses if not for the gopro.

Probably because he really really really didn't like Islam/Muslims (massive understatement). Iirc I didn't see much in his manifesto in regards to any issues at school that were bad enough for him to consider making his former school a target. It sounded like he may have been teased or harassed for his weight when he was younger but that's about it.

Subdomine wrote:

Why not shoot up his school? or kill the people that harassed him?
The mosque victims did nothing to him, fucking cunt.

Probably popped a boner to seeing the bodies in the mosque and shooting them again.

Based on his writings, he probably would have fucked some of those corpses if not for the gopro.

Maybe because it makes a statement...? It's not hard to figure out why he attacked the two Mosques if you actually read his manifesto.

You're silly if you think shooting dead all those people was good.

You're also silly if you think Brenton had nothing to be angry at society about.

What really struck me as days passed by after the shooting, is that he doesn't seem to have any military/combat experience. At least not that we know of at this point. And to be able to just mercilessly kill everything and everyone in his way. I imagine if I was full of hate, anger, disgust etc. and somehow got to the point of wanting to kill people, I still don't think I'd be able to be so calculated and cold. From what I have seen in the video, this guy never even hesitated. I just don't understand how he could do all that without prior experience of knowing what it is like when killing real people.

R4YN3 wrote:

What really struck me as days passed by after the shooting, is that he doesn't seem to have any military/combat experience. At least not that we know of at this point. And to be able to just mercilessly kill everything and everyone in his way. I imagine if I was full of hate, anger, disgust etc. and somehow got to the point of wanting to kill people, I still don't think I'd be able to be so calculated and cold. From what I have seen in the video, this guy never even hesitated. I just don't understand how he could do all that without prior experience of knowing what it is like when killing real people.

This applies to most mass shooters. It isn't remarkable.

R4YN3 wrote:

What really struck me as days passed by after the shooting, is that he doesn't seem to have any military/combat experience. At least not that we know of at this point. And to be able to just mercilessly kill everything and everyone in his way. I imagine if I was full of hate, anger, disgust etc. and somehow got to the point of wanting to kill people, I still don't think I'd be able to be so calculated and cold. From what I have seen in the video, this guy never even hesitated. I just don't understand how he could do all that without prior experience of knowing what it is like when killing real people.

On the contrary I have the impression that it is quite easy to feel the way he feels. You know, I think most far-right extremists and terrorists became radicalized that way: it depends on where you live and which kind of people you see everyday but I think most of the time it starts with a real event, for exemple delinquency, crime or a terror attack. Delinquency, terror attack, delinquency, terror attack again... Then you start thinking "It's always them", you over generalize, you have found your "ennemies", and you start blaming them for everything, you always think about them, you notice each bad thing one of them do and you don't even see them as people who deserve to be respected anymore so you start searching about this on the internet, you visit forums, you become part of a community with its own language, signs and culture (we've seen that with memes and the alt-right) you feel accepted and you further become radicalized and in the meanwhile you still see delinquency, terror attacks, you have the impression  that you need to protect your world and your people (because given that you have started to think that there are "them" there must be "us" and you think they are clearly not "us") but you have the impression that you are the only one who is aware of what is happening, you realize politicians won't do anything about it and then one day you think that it is urgent, someone must do something (I think Dylann Roof said something like that) and so you do it.

"Them" can be many different communities, not necessarily muslims.

Neah wrote:

R4YN3 wrote:

What really struck me as days passed by after the shooting, is that he doesn't seem to have any military/combat experience. At least not that we know of at this point. And to be able to just mercilessly kill everything and everyone in his way. I imagine if I was full of hate, anger, disgust etc. and somehow got to the point of wanting to kill people, I still don't think I'd be able to be so calculated and cold. From what I have seen in the video, this guy never even hesitated. I just don't understand how he could do all that without prior experience of knowing what it is like when killing real people.

On the contrary I have the impression that it is quite easy to feel the way he feels. You know, I think most far-right extremists and terrorists became radicalized that way: it depends on where you live and which kind of people you see everyday but I think most of the time it starts with a real event, for exemple delinquency, crime or a terror attack. Delinquency, terror attack, delinquency, terror attack again... Then you start thinking "It's always them", you over generalize, you have found your "ennemies", and you start blaming them for everything, you always think about them, you notice each bad thing one of them do and you don't even see them as people who deserve to be respected anymore so you start searching about this on the internet, you visit forums, you become part of a community with its own language, signs and culture (we've seen that with memes and the alt-right) you feel accepted and you further become radicalized and in the meanwhile you still see delinquency, terror attacks, you have the impression  that you need to protect your world and your people (because given that you have started to think that there are "them" there must be "us" and you think they are clearly not "us") and then one day you think that it is urgent, someone must do something (I think Dylann Roof said something like that) and so you do it.

"Them" can be many different communities, not necessarily muslims.

It's not even the terrorist attacks that anger many ethno-nationalists.

It's leaving your house every day and seeing streets filled with every non-white race imaginable, and being told that if you speak out against it you turn into an "evil cracka devil" or an Islamophobe.

"Africa for the Africans", "Asia for the Asians" - "Europe for anyone except white Europeans, and if you say anything different you're evil".

Do you think its safe to watch the live stream if you arent from NZ?

DooMRebel wrote:

Do you think its safe to watch the live stream if you arent from NZ?

I guess it's safe regarding the law. Apparently 1.5 millions videos were removed from Facebook only, too many people watched it and I don't see how they could know you watched it without admitting they spying on you. However I don't recommend it because you will probably feel guilty after you watched it. Most of us regretted it.

Neah wrote:

DooMRebel wrote:

Do you think its safe to watch the live stream if you arent from NZ?

I guess it's safe regarding the law. Apparently 1.5 millions videos were removed from Facebook only, too many people watched it and I don't see how they could know you watched it without admitting they spying on you. However I don't recommend it because you will probably feel guilty after you watched it. Most of us regretted it.

I already watched it just there is one detail I would want to see again. Yeah I think that they could never know I watched it unless they are spying on me

Neah wrote:

DooMRebel wrote:

Do you think its safe to watch the live stream if you arent from NZ?

I guess it's safe regarding the law. Apparently 1.5 millions videos were removed from Facebook only, too many people watched it and I don't see how they could know you watched it without admitting they spying on you. However I don't recommend it because you will probably feel guilty after you watched it. Most of us regretted it.

Why on earth would you feel guilty for watching a video...?

G4145 wrote:

Neah wrote:

DooMRebel wrote:

Do you think its safe to watch the live stream if you arent from NZ?

I guess it's safe regarding the law. Apparently 1.5 millions videos were removed from Facebook only, too many people watched it and I don't see how they could know you watched it without admitting they spying on you. However I don't recommend it because you will probably feel guilty after you watched it. Most of us regretted it.

Why on earth would you feel guilty for watching a video...?

I explained it in another thread. Because it would be a lie if I said it is for "research", this is simply morbid curiosity on my behalf. I know that it is a natural feeling and we can't help it, but I also couldn't help but feel guilty after the video, no matter if it is a legitimate feeling or not. You may find it stupid but I felt guilty, that's all.

Neah wrote:

G4145 wrote:

Neah wrote:

DooMRebel wrote:

Do you think its safe to watch the live stream if you arent from NZ?

I guess it's safe regarding the law. Apparently 1.5 millions videos were removed from Facebook only, too many people watched it and I don't see how they could know you watched it without admitting they spying on you. However I don't recommend it because you will probably feel guilty after you watched it. Most of us regretted it.

Why on earth would you feel guilty for watching a video...?

I explained it in another thread. Because it would be a lie if I said it is for "research", this is simply morbid curiosity on my behalf. I know that it is a natural feeling and we can't help it, but I also couldn't help but feel guilty after the video, no matter if it is a legitimate feeling or not. You may find it stupid but I felt guilty, that's all.

I saw a variation of the video set to Don't stop me now by Queen.

They've released the name of the victims:

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R.I.P. Naeem Rashid, true shahid.

G4145 wrote:

Neah wrote:

G4145 wrote:

Neah wrote:

DooMRebel wrote:

Do you think its safe to watch the live stream if you arent from NZ?

I guess it's safe regarding the law. Apparently 1.5 millions videos were removed from Facebook only, too many people watched it and I don't see how they could know you watched it without admitting they spying on you. However I don't recommend it because you will probably feel guilty after you watched it. Most of us regretted it.

Why on earth would you feel guilty for watching a video...?

I explained it in another thread. Because it would be a lie if I said it is for "research", this is simply morbid curiosity on my behalf. I know that it is a natural feeling and we can't help it, but I also couldn't help but feel guilty after the video, no matter if it is a legitimate feeling or not. You may find it stupid but I felt guilty, that's all.

I saw a variation of the video set to Don't stop me now by Queen.

Was it this video ? (Content removed by staff)

Mh_12rm_66 wrote:

Was it this video ? (Content removed by staff)

I would really like to know the state of mind of the individual who made this.

This is crazy:

Christchurch mosque attack: Up to 14 years' jail for video sharers as Commissioner asks Facebook to give police names

"That raises the prospect of a fine of up to $10,000 or up to 14 years' jail for anyone who shares the clip - and this morning, Privacy Commissioner John Edwards called on Facebook to share names with police."

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Obviously, they already found a few New Zealander scapegoats among the people who uploaded 1,5M videos on Facebook only:

Second Man Charged With Sharing Livestream Video Of Christchurch Attack

"[...] Christchurch:

A 44-year-old man has become the second person charged with sharing a gruesome livestream video of the deadly attack at a Christchurch mosque.

Philip Arps, 44, was arrested by New Zealand Police on Tuesday, four days after 28-year-old Australian Brenton Tarrant went on a rampage at two mosques in the southern city, killing 50 people and injuring dozens more.

Arps was charged with two counts of distributing objectionable material under the Films Act, and was remanded in custody after appearing in Christchurch District Court.

He is due back in court on April 15.

A teenager appeared in court earlier this week on the same charge.[...]"

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and will things go as Tarrant wanted?

Islamic State retaliation threat: New Zealand's darkest day casting a long shadow

"Jihadist groups are threatening retaliation for the attack, with IS issuing a call to arms. After six months' silence, the terrorist group's spokesman released a 44-minute audio clip.

"The scenes of the massacres in the two mosques should wake up those who were fooled and should incite the supporters of the 'caliphate' who live there to avenge their religion," the clip says. "

Neah wrote:

and will things go as Tarrant wanted?

Islamic State retaliation threat: New Zealand's darkest day casting a long shadow

It has been a while since the last big Islamic terrorist attack, so if there's any lone wolves still out there, now could be their impetuous to strike.

QuestionMark wrote:

Neah wrote:

and will things go as Tarrant wanted?

Islamic State retaliation threat: New Zealand's darkest day casting a long shadow

It has been a while since the last big Islamic terrorist attack, so if there's any lone wolves still out there, now could be their impetuous to strike.

I think the last one was the Strasbourg one in december 2018 which killed 5 (the terrorist had a gun) but it's true that the last terror attacks have been less organized and with less lethal weapons. I think they have realized that this kind of attack leads to few results and thus don't think it's worth it.

Who censored the pictures of Tarrant at the court? Given that the method of censorship is different I assume it was left to the journalists to do, but then I am surprised I can find no picture without his face hidden.

Neah wrote:

Who censored the pictures of Tarrant at the court? Given that the method of censorship is different I assume it was left to the journalists to do, but then I am surprised I can find no picture without his face hidden.

You won't find any unblurred pictures of Tarrant in court due to the judge's ruling that all court pictures published by the media must have his face blurred, which isn't a surprise due to the mass censorship that the nz government are already attempting to enforce

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Censorship is always a bad decision. The mystery that they will create will boost his legacy, just like Columbine.

Bunch of soft people...

I find it amusing that the keyboard player in Serbia Strong, Slobodan Vrga,  has uploaded their video, also under the name Serbia Strong. He uploaded it last year, and also confirmed that the accordion player, Novislav Djacic is not the Novislav Djacic indicted for participation in genocide.

Using google translate

Quote :

We made this recording in 1995 near Knin on the way to Plavn. Together we agreed on the text. No original shot has been released because it is lost. If we find him, we will set him up. Follow us and be the first to see him. The video was created during the war at a time when Dudakovic and Alijin's corps began to merged and the intention was not hatred but the rise of morale. War is the evil of all of us and NEVER be repeated again. It is not your enemy who you are fighting against, but who is sending you to war. We live in good and bad with our nations and take care of everything so God and God will guard you. Cheers!

I'm not sure anyone has talked about it here so for the record:

Brenton Tarrant wrote:

The Christchurch and Linwood mosques had far more invaders, in a moreprominent and optically foreign building, with less students,more adults and a prior history of extremism. Attacking these mosques also allowed for an extra planned attack on the mosque in Ashburton, whilst I am unsure as of this time of writing whether I will reach that target, it was a bonus objective.

He was really ambitious because the Ashburton mosque is quite far, especially with the police after him.

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Canada is thinking about changing guns law after the New Zealand massacre...

Icarius wrote:

Canada is thinking about changing guns law after the New Zealand massacre...

Oh, so the Quebec City mosque and Danforth shooting wasn't enough, but this is?

Exactly. ;)

And we are sorry for that too

School Massacre Archives wrote:

Icarius wrote:

Canada is thinking about changing guns law after the New Zealand massacre...

Oh, so the Quebec City mosque and Danforth shooting wasn't enough, but this is?

Sounds like their trying to show the rest of the world how "progressive" and "virtuous" they are

Gun control in NZ and Australia work because they are isolated landmasses.
Anywhere else is easily accessed through land or boat illegal crossings.
Like the US, if you cut down in the US, you can still get guns from Mexico and Central America.

Subdomine wrote:

Like the US, if you cut down in the US, you can still get guns from Mexico and Central America.

Plus, the fact that there are more firearms than people makes "cutting down" on guns in the first place somewhat difficult.

Do we know if he managed to shoot or even kill bystanders?

Neah wrote:

Do we know if he managed to shoot or even kill bystanders?

He shot people out his car window up the road. Atleast one was injured.

Does anyone have an archive of his twitter by any chance ? Also does anyone have any pictures of the second rifle he used ? I remember seeing a photo of it earlier but now I can't find it