Randy Brown says in ama Eric killed Dylan. Thoughts?

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I don't believe it one bit.

I thought it was debunked that it was BS?

Of course it's true. And I'll tell you more, someone said Eric that day was flying around to kill people; do you understand, he was flying!!!
...seriuosly, why does someone even still ask about this?

From the National Enquirer article which released the death photos of Eric/Dylan:

National Enquirer June 4 2002 (**this was before the release of Dylan's autopsy):

Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky believed that Eric shot Dylan.

"The first thing that struck me when I looked at the photos is that Harris' left foot is on top of Klebold's right elbow. It would seem that Klebold died first."

He mentions the 3 guns lying on the right side of his body casting doubt that he could have shot himself in the left side of his head.

He concluded that Klebold's death was not from a typical suicide wound, a so-called contact wound in which the weapon is touching the skin when fired. "A contact wound is very characteristic. The muzzle is up against the skin, lead rubs off the weapon, gunshot residue results." The gun that killed Klebold was not directly up against his skin. "It was anywhere from a fraction of an inch to 18 inches away."

And he said the pattern of blood on Klebold's face indicates he had his head down when a single bullet entered the left side of his head. "If his head was erect, gravity would have pulled the blood downward, but the pattern is almost linear coming across the face under the nose and especially under his mouth."


**Klebold's Autopsy (released after this magazine article) did show powder/soot in the left side of his head.

I wish I could participate. Too bad Randy is apparently so afraid of his former neighbor, a girl his wife bullied almost 40 years younger than him, he demanded the mods delete all my posts that mentioned anything about the Browns. This was after he was the one to first respond to me, and when I didn't respond fast enough, he deleted them and reposted them and had some young followers of his blow me up privately about why I don't respond to Randy and if I was afraid of the truth.

He told me to lay out where in his book he lied, off the top of my head I had about 10 major points that I gave him. One of those points was that Eric killed Dylan. He didn't respond to any of them, he just mocked me for not having a life, being dumb and pathetic, just like all his other responses that never addressed a single thing I said and instead insulted me at the level of a kindergartener. Then he immediately got all my posts deleted.

You can tell him he is wrong all you want. The mods there might delete anything that is too rational and factual and might lead some of his flock away from him. He pretends to be all about the truth and honesty and blah blah blah but if you try rationally disprove any of his ridiculous notions, he cries and whines like a child, attacking you as a person.

I would say not to feed the troll especially after gis behavior against me. He just wants to reassert his own "celebrity" among anonymous kids online who are young enough to be his grandchildren.

milennialrebelette wrote:

I wish I could participate. Too bad Randy is apparently so afraid of his former neighbor, a girl his wife bullied almost 40 years younger than him, he demanded the mods delete all my posts that mentioned anything about the Browns. This was after he was the one to first respond to me, and when I didn't respond fast enough, he deleted them and reposted them and had some young followers of his blow me up privately about why I don't respond  to Randy and if I was afraid of the truth.

He told me to lay out where in his book he lied, off the top of my head I had about 10 major points that I gave him. One of those points was that Eric killed Dylan. He didn't respond to any of them, he just mocked me for not having a life, being dumb and pathetic, just like all his other responses that never addressed a single thing I said and instead insulted me at the level of a kindergartener. Then he immediately got all my posts deleted.

You can tell him he is wrong all you want. The mods there might delete anything that is too rational and factual and might lead some of his flock away from him. He pretends to be all about the truth and honesty and blah blah blah but if you try rationally disprove any of his ridiculous notions, he cries and whines like a child, attacking you as a person.

I would say not to feed the troll especially after gis behavior against me. He just wants to reassert his own "celebrity" among anonymous kids online who  are young enough to be his grandchildren.

He's being cruel for the sake of being cruel... YOU have no life??? you are talking to people about something you were involved in!! Your sister is a survivor and you went to CHS, and he spent how many years researching a book... the hypocricy is strong with this one.

I don't know enough about forensics etc.. to say if Eric killed Dylan. It has been debunked by people who know more than me. I think Patrick was the only one who could have seen anything at all and he didn't (if I recall correctly, Patrick was not far from them) . Also I would say if Dylan wanted to die so badly and Eric did shoot him, it was probably not something Dylan cared too much about, but I don't believe Eric killed him.

There was Dylan's blood in Dylan's gun, so if Eric killed him it was with Dylan's own gun. And "close contact" rather than "contact" to me seems more like a suicide than an execution. You would stick the gun to his skin and pull the trigger. Close contact seems more like a hesitation mark for a suicide.

And of course we have to say Eric didn't know Dylan was left handed, and stuck the gun in his right hand to stage the scene...and he put the gun upside down. Dylan's hand rests on the top of the gun, as in the barrel rather than the handle. The handle faces 'in' towards the rest of Dylan's body, not 'out' toward his hand and the library. Had I not been banned by the subreddit a while back as a secret bully sent out by Cullen to wreak havoc (due to not taking Brooks as gospel), I would post the diagrams showing that kill-shot to the theory.

Since I cannot post the diagrams, here's my own  crap version of the relevant fact. Hopefully that's not breaking rules. The gun is obscured by Dylan's leg on top of it. People assume it's like the left picture, which does at first look like Dylan may be holding the gun, but it's like the right picture, so it can't be even if we pretend his hand is gripping tightly (it isn't).

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It's an interesting thought to say the suicide pact was contrived, but obv it seems real.

I was reading his AMA on Reddit and he is 100% convinced that Eric killed Dylan and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. I however don't buy it lol unless I see irrefutable evidence pointing to that I won't believe it.

Momentary lol since people tend to think the Browns are the REAL story while Cullen is fake - because of the bullying story as a security blanket, when both have the exact same dynamic between Eric and Dylan.

So, a few things.

(1) It is certainly possible that Eric did kill Dylan. Both Eric and Dylan were armed with 9mm guns; Eric carried a 9mm hi-point 995 carbine and Dylan carried a 9mm DC TEC-9. Moreover, the bullet that killed Dylan was never recovered, so we can not say for sure whether he was shot by the carbine or the TEC-9. However, his fatal wound is obviously consistent with a 9mm round rather than a shotgun shell, like Eric, who vaporized half his face.

(2) There is the angle question as well. Dylan was left handed. However, his TEC-9 was gripped by his right hand. So, there are three possibilities here; (a) Dylan shot himself with his left hand, (b) Dylan shot himself with his right hand, or (c) Eric shot Dylan. Given that the TEC-9 has gripped in his right hand, (a) is very unlikely, (b) is less likely and (c) is the most likely. It is impossible to shoot yourself the way Dylan supposedly did with the TEC-9 in your right hand.

Rather, I think the most likely scenario is that after firing at first responders and law enforcement, Eric and Dylan were taking cover by the table they placed the molotov cocktail on, and Eric shot Dylan while Dylan was sitting at the table, and Dylan crumpled to the ground as died as he appears in the leaked photos. Then Eric shot himself.

I genuinely believe that Dylan could have been talked down. He was a coward, he couldn't kill himself. So Eric did and then finished the job by killing himself.

dreadpirateroberts2020 wrote:

So, a few things.

(1) It is certainly possible that Eric did kill Dylan. Both Eric and Dylan were armed with 9mm guns; Eric carried a 9mm hi-point 995 carbine and Dylan carried a 9mm DC TEC-9. Moreover, the bullet that killed Dylan was never recovered, so we can not say for sure whether he was shot by the carbine or the TEC-9. However, his fatal wound is obviously consistent with a 9mm round rather than a shotgun shell, like Eric, who vaporized half his face.

(2) There is the angle question as well. Dylan was left handed. However, his TEC-9 was gripped by his right hand. So, there are three possibilities here; (a) Dylan shot himself with his left hand, (b) Dylan shot himself with his right hand, or (c) Eric shot Dylan. Given that the TEC-9 has gripped in his right hand, (a) is very unlikely, (b) is less likely and (c) is the most likely. It is impossible to shoot yourself the way Dylan supposedly did with the TEC-9 in your right hand.

Rather, I think the most likely scenario is that after firing at first responders and law enforcement, Eric and Dylan were taking cover by the table they placed the molotov cocktail on, and Eric shot Dylan while Dylan was sitting at the table, and Dylan crumpled to the ground as died as he appears in the leaked photos. Then Eric shot himself.

I genuinely believe that Dylan could have been talked down. He was a coward, he couldn't kill himself. So Eric did and then finished the job by killing himself.

On 1), it's true the ammunition was the same. That's the basis for the idea since the photos first publication, along with Dylan being on top of his TEC-9. In fact really it historically wasn't "could be either one" it was "we only have the carbine, where's the TEC-9?" The only gun "in the photo" with the right ammo. However, Dylan's death was ruled a suicide at autopsy, and his blood in the barrel of the TEC-9. At least, as I understand.

On 2) It's not gripped in his right hand. His knuckles are just barely wrapped and not around anything.  You can see nearly all of his first two fingers. It's so flat on the ground it's hard  to tell where Dylan's wrist starts. AND his hand is on top of the gun as I showed above. He's not holding the weapon. Anything based on that assumption is simply wrong. Nor does anybody claim Dylan shot himself with his right hand.

He also seemed to say Eric staged the scene, shoving the TEC-9 in Dylan's (wrong) hand. So, if that's true, you can't say something like because he was gripping it (HE WASNT *flashing red lights*) on the right side some other gun had to shoot him on the left side.  That undermines the whole point it seems to me. Not to mention the strangeness of Dylan's blood/hat/etc on Eric's leg.

Also quite a bit too far away to have been sat at the table. And as I recall the many casings from the carbine due to Eric shooting at police were nearer his dead body than the table.

I think it's an interesting theory somehow, but from what we know I believe it's very very improbable that Eric actually killed Dylan, regardless of who was the first one which speculated about it.

Maybe i am blind but i don't see any gun in Dylan's right hand. Where is it? Under his leg?

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Check the folder "Dylan Suicide Info" for diagrams, evidence etc. related to his suicide:

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dreadpirateroberts2020 wrote:

Rather, I think the most likely scenario is that after firing at first responders and law enforcement, Eric and Dylan were taking cover by the table they placed the molotov cocktail on, and Eric shot Dylan while Dylan was sitting at the table, and Dylan crumpled to the ground as died as he appears in the leaked photos. Then Eric shot himself.

Ok. Even in in (what I understand to be) near impossible situation that Eric killed Dylan, such a scenario doesn't have to be welded to the idea that Eric killed Dylan in cold blood or in a surprise attack. In the Suzano shooting in Brazil, there were two killers, but only one with a gun, so the other by necessity had to kill his partner. Obviously that's not at all the case here - Eric and Dylan both had guns - but if we were to (wrongly) assume that Dylan couldn't properly shoot himself with either of his weapons for whatever reason, then we can logically assume that Dylan voluntarily allowed Eric to kill him. We can also argue that Eric hypothetically shot Dylan if we assume the latter was too scared to do it himself and asked Eric to do it or they worked it out beforehand. In feudal Japan up through the World War II era, it was common practice that if a man couldn't commit seppuku, a second man could finish him off. See here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
I highly doubt Eric and Dylan knew of such a practice but it outlines the fact that having a second guy help you die is not unheard of.

All this being said, I want to reiterate that I find it practically impossible, based on everything we know, that Eric killed Dylan.

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Maybe i am blind but i don't see any gun in Dylan's right hand. Where is it? Under his leg?

I don't see it either, so I guess I'm blind as well. I was about to ask someone to circle it, but they can't be posted here.

Alpha's master archive is most helpful.

Check here for the photos:
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Go to crime scene diagrams. Click on 161324205.jpg. Look at the TEC-9 under Dylan's leg. It's the completely wrong way for the story that he's holding it in his right hand.

Thanks [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], those diagrams make it more clear.

No problem, I'd be lost without them too. That you can't see the TEC-9 is why we have this myth, on top of the general Eric leader/Dylan follower.

Also neat to see from what Alpha linked, the one trying to show 'trajectory'. It seems to say they know which casing was responsible for the suicide (labeled 1961).

dreadpirateroberts2020 wrote:

So, a few things.

(1) It is certainly possible that Eric did kill Dylan. Both Eric and Dylan were armed with 9mm guns; Eric carried a 9mm hi-point 995 carbine and Dylan carried a 9mm DC TEC-9. Moreover, the bullet that killed Dylan was never recovered, so we can not say for sure whether he was shot by the carbine or the TEC-9. However, his fatal wound is obviously consistent with a 9mm round rather than a shotgun shell, like Eric, who vaporized half his face.

(2) There is the angle question as well. Dylan was left handed. However, his TEC-9 was gripped by his right hand. So, there are three possibilities here; (a) Dylan shot himself with his left hand, (b) Dylan shot himself with his right hand, or (c) Eric shot Dylan. Given that the TEC-9 has gripped in his right hand, (a) is very unlikely, (b) is less likely and (c) is the most likely. It is impossible to shoot yourself the way Dylan supposedly did with the TEC-9 in your right hand.

Rather, I think the most likely scenario is that after firing at first responders and law enforcement, Eric and Dylan were taking cover by the table they placed the molotov cocktail on, and Eric shot Dylan while Dylan was sitting at the table, and Dylan crumpled to the ground as died as he appears in the leaked photos. Then Eric shot himself.

I genuinely believe that Dylan could have been talked down. He was a coward, he couldn't kill himself. So Eric did and then finished the job by killing himself.

Lol.

Experts have deduced long ago that Eric died before Dylan, yet you're arguing you know better. And this isn't some armchair psychologist but morticians who actually autopsied them both post-mortem.

Dylan and Eric's bodies were moved after the FBI bomb-checked them by the way.

As has been done to death now, they were not moved before the photos or else the photos would be pointless and Dylan would not be laying in his blood; and Eric's brain being on the table does not prove he died first any more than it being on the ceiling does. Also the autopsies do not comment on who died first, as far as I'm aware. Which experts are we referencing? This seems to be just as poor a job of avoiding stating myths with confidence, if not much worse. Hell, they agreed that Eric died first - they claimed he murdered Dylan.

[mention][/mention] wrote:

I've been working on a huge, detailed research piece on this topic for a long, long time and I will publish it as soon as it's finished. I've been trying to get a 3D model of a Tec-DC9M printed so I can use something better than a cardboard cutout to demonstrate the points in the piece, but so far my cheapest quote is $800+ and I'm not willing to drop that much on a prop right now.

I will cite my sources of course when the piece is finished, but it's not possible that Eric killed Dylan for several reasons that haven't been mentioned and need to be demonstrated visually to make clear. Eric did die first, but that's not evidenced by his brain matter being beneath the molotov cocktail. That molotov cocktail was burning for a long time before it partially exploded. Molotovs aren't designed to be lit and explode, they explode on impact, and that one was lit and set down on the table and burned until the vapors caught fire. All that proves is that Eric died before the molotov cocktail exploded. But still, Eric died first regardless and I will prove it. This is a fact and I will demonstrate this with visuals in the piece I'm working on.

The other thing is that the projectile that killed Dylan was recovered - it was firearm discharge [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Although initially, investigators thought discharge [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] could have been from the same event, but that shot's trajectory passed over Klebold's body at a height of 36" from a distance, which means it was definitely not the discharge that killed Dylan. Discharge [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] were separate events, and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] was identified as the shot that killed Klebold.

And we also know the TEC-DC9M fired the fatal shot because there was 1+1/2" of drawback in the barrel matching Dylan's DNA. This is consistent with the close contact wound reported by the coroner.

So, Randy's theory is not based in fact and his analysis of the diagrams and evidence is incorrect and he is likely seeing Dylan's death through the eyes of his vendetta against Eric.  

The man has never been able to cite his sources or interpret ballistics data correctly. For instance, he mistakes bullet fragments for live rounds and has never been able to back up his theories with real world facts, data, or evidence since day one.

I will give him credit for fighting like hell to get the documents released and out to the public and all the other things he has done, but analyzing the evidence is not his strength.

Unfortunately his fighting like hell has been mostly flinging lies and dirt once the majority of the press dissipated. I acknowledge that his efforts to bring some if the covered up documents and evidence to public light is a good thing. Unfortunately I, and many others in the Columbine community believe everything else he has done to hurt people, prop himself up, lie, etc. has definitely over shadowed any potentially good he did with all his bad. A broken clock is still "correct" two times a day, after all.

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Unfortunately his fighting like hell has been mostly flinging lies and dirt once the majority of the press dissipated. I acknowledge that his efforts to bring some if the covered up documents and evidence to public light is a good thing. Unfortunately I, and many others in the Columbine community believe everything else he has done to hurt people, prop himself up, lie, etc. has definitely over shadowed any potentially good he did with all his bad. A broken clock is still "correct" two times a day, after all.

What you say is true, I watched it unfold, it's horrific. He acts like a caged animal lashing out and I understand why the police didn't want to help him or support him when he asked for information. He earned being treated that way with his attitude. I'm glad he was bullheaded in getting the documents, but yeah, he stepped on a lot of people over the years in the media and all over. All I can gather is that he is so bitter that the cops never investigated Eric and he feels responsible.

In the beginning, he railed on anyone who dared to talk about the bullying Eric and Dylan endured. Now it's his signature speech, but years ago he used to trash everyone who even dared to talk about the bullying having an impact. He never acknowledged that he changed his mind about that. He's never issued any apologies and he does exactly what Eric did - cause destruction and then blame it on other people.

You know, when Justin Tribble (the creator of the CRTF forum) deleted all the sub forums, Randy blamed me and said I hacked the account and sabotaged it. I actually saved all the posts in an archive and was able to restore the lost content for people... but he never apologized for that. Instead, he accused me of being 10 people and told everyone I was the reason he was quitting all efforts to discuss Columbine or share information publicly. I didn't realize how powerful I was lmfao the man is unstable.

He has thrown everyone under the bus and ostracized himself, trying to position himself as THE only authority on Columbine, making wild claims and then relying on his name and "involvement" to get him out of needing to prove his claims. And people new to the investigation have no clue.

He has to continually find new forums online to be "the expert" of, and pulls all his stops out with new impressionable members of the onljne TCC/Columbine research community, to hold onto his ego and position a little longer by getting things edited and deleted.

He has absolutely ZERO credibility in Littleton and especially within the Columbine survivor community. At the very beginning he had a little, but he burned those bridges so quick especially among people who knew him and his family long before the shootings occurred.

Desperate to get that attention and recognition as "the Columbine expert" he comes online, looking for new forums to establish himself and gather impressionable "groupies". Then inevitably he shows his true colors and has to leave, although he'll always have his brainwashed little minions.

Its really sad if you think about it, but he brought it all on himself off the backs of the Columbine survivor communify so I don't have much pity for him.

[mention][/mention] wrote:

I've been working on a huge, detailed research piece on this topic for a long, long time and I will publish it as soon as it's finished. I've been trying to get a 3D model of a Tec-DC9M printed so I can use something better than a cardboard cutout to demonstrate the points in the piece, but so far my cheapest quote is $800+ and I'm not willing to drop that much on a prop right now.

At that point I think it'd be cheaper/easier to just get a real one lololol

[mention][/mention] wrote:

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In the beginning, he railed on anyone who dared to talk about the bullying Eric and Dylan endured. Now it's his signature speech, but years ago he used to trash everyone who even dared to talk about the bullying having an impact. He never acknowledged that he changed his mind about that. He's never issued any apologies and he does exactly what Eric did - cause destruction and then blame it on other people.

Really? That's so weird. In his book he acts like he was convinced it was bullying from the start. And Brooks has definitely been talking about the bullying since the beginning, considering No Easy Answers, so what's up with that? Behind-the-scenes family disagreement?

Another thing is that Randy says his book is telling the "truth, the painful truth", followed by "it is my perspective" and then again "but it's the truth". Ain't that a tad contradictory?

Babydoll wrote:

Another thing is that Randy says his book is telling the "truth, the painful truth", followed by "it is my perspective" and then again "but it's the truth". Ain't that a tad contradictory?

So basically; "it's the truth because I said so." -Randy

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*** is the source of controversy.
And most of you are so deep in this search that you can’t see the obvious.
Irrefutable proof that Eric killed Dylan.

But you will never see it.

And you don’t need to.
The entry wound and exit wound make it impossible for Dylan to have committed suicide.
Pretend to do it.
Weapon in your right hand.
Pretend.
It can’t be done.
Your precious little Eric killed Dylan.

***

Doesn’t it drive you crazy. You don’t know everything.
And you hate me.
What a sad mess you are in. Still hating after all these years.

You have imagined so much.
I don’t think of you. I didn’t report you.
I don’t even know your real name or where you live.
You are obsessed with Columbine, and that is probably the source of your problems.
I don’t even know what state you live in, or your name. How could I report you.
I have responded to you because you are a mean person, and you say awful things about me and my family. Your anonymous life on the internet allows you to do that, but I don’t have to watch and let you do it.
You are full of hate.
You have been full of hate for years
It is sad.

Go ahead. Believe the Dylan committed suicide.
That is your right.
I believe he was murdered by Eric.
It is fine with me that you disagree.
Why do you have to slander me because I say it?

Believe what you want.

But don’t hate me for saying something else.

Don’t hate anyone.

You were rude and mean. And then you apologized? Is that what you are saying.

I remember you being hateful, cruel, angry, and saying awful things. You still do.

I do not need to accept your apology, if you have apologized.
You need to be kind.
I have found you to be hateful and cruel.
Perhaps I am misreading all of these posts.

Find happiness in your life. It is time to leave me alone.
Your anger at me is quite misplaced.

I am guessing that there are a lot of people on this site who have been bullied. Well, you hate bullying. You are becoming what you hate. You badmouth next. You say bad things about me. You don’t know me. You are becoming what you hate.
Become what you love. Become a kind, generous, peaceful person.
Become what you love.
Move away from this dark site and find a friend. Move away from the darkness and hate.
Become what you love.

Something to think about.

Yes, I know those names. We corresponded on crtf, which I think was your site. But I have never met you, have I? I don’t even know where you live. What state? Where? I have sent info to Kendra, but I don’t remember sending any to you, but if I did, so what? Wasn’t that a good thing for me to do?
You are an injustice collector. You are remembering things I am not.
I remember you writing mean things about me for years. Just look at your last 100 posts. They are directed at me with anger and hate.
And why?
Because I have a different idea than you do. You cannot accept it. Fine.
Don’t accept it.
That is fine with me.

You win!
That is fine with me.

Now can you quit saying you hate me for a few weeks?
That would be nice.

What exactly happened between the two of you to cause all of this drama?

I wish I knew.

I have offered to forget about this.
I have said that you win.
I have offered.
Where did the responses go.?

I give up.
You win.
You are the Columbine expert.
You are the expert.
I will listen from now on.
I will not mention your name again.
You win.

Now, could you please stop saying mean things about me on your forums? That would be nice.

Well that is a beginning.

I don’t want to talk.
I give up.
You win.
I will stay away from you.
You win.

If you could stop saying mean things about me, that would be nice.
But that is up to you.

Randy wrote:

You were rude and mean. And then you apologized? Is that what you are saying.

I remember you being hateful, cruel, angry, and saying awful things. You still do.

I do not need to accept your apology, if you have apologized.
You need to be kind.
I have found you to be hateful and cruel.
Perhaps I am misreading all of these posts.

Find happiness in your life. It is time to leave me alone.
Your anger at me is quite misplaced.

Last time I told you that instead of being angry at you, I pitied you and my mom always encouraged me and my siblings to pray for you, Judy and Brooks because it was clear from the hate in your heart you didn't truly feel good about yourselves, you weren't very happy. Pot meet kettle.

I still pray. My mom was an amazing woman, better than I will ever be.

You're here because I told some of your dissenters on Reddit who were considered about lack of objectivity from mods, especially in regards to your behavior, that this forum was much higher quality, has more serious researchers and has the best mods I've ever seen.

Go on and continue to ramble, if you have anything new to say maybe it'll warrant a response. Maybe.

[mention][/mention] wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] basically, yep. And anyone who doesn't agree just hasn't "learned the lessons."

I'm surprised he's tolerated on Reddit and given such a "last word" platform by the mods. Like... they lock his posts so nobody can reply. That's insanity. He's not just another "Columbine victim" he's literally THE source of controversy in the case, and as such, we should be able to challenge him to the moon and back. But they lock his threads and protect him from criticism. He won't dare to start a conversation directly.

I can only imagine the damage he's done in the community, if he behaves like this online... good Lord!!!

It's very difficult to agree with someone who simply says; "trust me - this is the way it happened" without any proof. I know there is a heap of speculation surrounding many aspects of the massacre and many things are left to opinions and speculation and whatnot.

Reddit has an interesting way of "protecting" it's users. Sometimes they step in and do the right thing but sometimes, in this case especially, they should be doing a better job at moderating the threads and being fair in their judgement calls. While it can be incredibly infuriating for those who come forward and offer some insight, information, etc into such a topic, it should be expected that people will challenge everything a person says and have different opinions on things - I don't believe there is a need for the animosity from anyone's part. I understand there is "history" between certain members/people but for the greater good, we should all be working together on this.

Randy coming forward and sharing his information with us should have been nothing short of an information-goldmine. It's a shame it's turned out like this.

***, I hope you don't see my post as anything negative toward you - Randy too for that matter. Feels like we all just need to reset.

Ok honestly I can't take sides. I don't know Randy or his family personally, I'll never know what happened in 1999 or the beef between you. But I will say: you both can either squash your beef and never talk to each other again, or talk things out. If the beef is that bad, then just block each other.

@ That sucks to hear. The trouble, and the lack of teamwork in all of this.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Everyone who is interested is trying to understand and piece everything together. Please forget this talk about "columbine stans", "obsessed with Eric" or whatever else. People can be interested, people want to see, to know, to understand. That's what this is.

I have questions and they are not designed to attack you;
Do you feel people don't deserve to know certain things?
Do you feel that people don't deserve to see the things you have seen? (in terms of evidence)

Gotcha. And I know that everything I am about to type below could probably be answered with that link being copied at the end of every one of my questions/points however...

I'm not sure if Randy will return to answer my questions but this whole thing about him having things that we haven't seen (true or not) is mind-boggling. Why not just avoid the questions totally from the start? Do what you have to do in terms of what is needed at the time (you know what was important and what was not so) and don't engage anyone or anything else. It goes without saying that if you raise your hand and say that you know things/have things/information, whatever, people are going to want it. All of it. I don't see online discussion forums as being too different from the media in terms of having that hunger for information and digital media. And I would have thought that after having to deal with media in the first place, you would have been totally turned-off by the idea of sharing any info with anyone at all.

These 2 statements do not agree-

Randy wrote:

Go ahead. Believe the Dylan committed suicide.
That is your right.
I believe he was murdered by Eric.
It is fine with me that you disagree.

Randy wrote:

Your precious little Eric killed Dylan.

You can't say, "ok, let's agree to disagree" and then insult us by saying that if we don't agree with you it's because we are enamored with Eric. Surely you recognize how antagonistic such a statement would be and that it's only aim is to denigrate.
Many have researched this particular issue quite thoroughly and have drawn conclusions opposite of yours, without any personal feelings toward either Eric or Dylan. Everyone is entitled to interpret the vast body of evidence in the way that makes the most sense to them and their opinions are not invalidated just because they differ from yours.

For fucks sake.