Mandalay Bay Hotel Shooting

1Mare1 wrote:

awsomehq wrote:

They really need to get on gun control, Look at Finland, UK, Australia and Japan.

Mass shooters will still get guns illegally. Gun control will only prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves.

EXACTLY!

They are saying he may have used a gat crank to fire more rapidly.

shades wrote:

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The other interesting fact is that his female companion may have told everyone that they were 'going to die tonight.' Her identity is not certain, from what I've read, but a woman pushed her way to the front of the crowd, started bothering a lady standing there, and then shouted this about 45 minutes before the shooting. If his companion knew what was going to happen in advance, I'm curious what will happen to her in terms of legal consequences.

This is going to be the root of conspiracy theories.

I'm wanting more info on this woman who supposedly warned people they were going to die some 45 minutes before the shit hit the fan. Has anyone come across anything else related to her?

@W.A.R wrote:

They are saying he may have used a gat crank to fire more rapidly.

Possibly. I'm open to that. Still would await the actual weapon he used.

Watching the videos from the point of view of the crowd and how loud it was and being there is just devastating to me. People were even thinking it's just fireworks.

To whomever it was asking about the amount of time he was shooting for - news over here says possibly 10-15 minutes. I think they did pretty well getting to him in that time (if true) considering where he was shooting from.

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shades wrote:
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The other interesting fact is that his female companion may have told everyone that they were 'going to die tonight.' Her identity is not certain, from what I've read, but a woman pushed her way to the front of the crowd, started bothering a lady standing there, and then shouted this about 45 minutes before the shooting. If his companion knew what was going to happen in advance, I'm curious what will happen to her in terms of legal consequences.

This is going to be the root of conspiracy theories.

I'm wanting more info on this woman who supposedly warned people they were going to die some 45 minutes before the shit hit the fan. Has anyone come across anything else related to her?

Witness account on the news about this actual incident:

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W.A.R. wrote:

They are saying he may have used a gat crank to fire more rapidly.

Source?

Would make sense, I'll listen after work to the rate of fire.

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Would make sense, I'll listen after work to the rate of fire.

I was gonna say, If someone here knows guns and can listen to the firing closely could probably assume the closest type of weapon he used.

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shades wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Would you mind enlightening us with what your mom knows about the shooter?

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The other interesting fact is that his female companion may have told everyone that they were 'going to die tonight.' Her identity is not certain, from what I've read, but a woman pushed her way to the front of the crowd, started bothering a lady standing there, and then shouted this about 45 minutes before the shooting. If his companion knew what was going to happen in advance, I'm curious what will happen to her in terms of legal consequences.

This is going to be the root of conspiracy theories.

I'm wanting more info on this woman who supposedly warned people they were going to die some 45 minutes before the shit hit the fan. Has anyone come across anything else related to her?

Witness account on the news about this actual incident:

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THANKS! I'm just really skeptical of the news reports, already there have been a TON of crap cranked out filled with inaccuracies.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Just read a report saying now that the gunman had NO connection with any Terror group. No one knows what the hell is going on apparently.

I have not heard of any semblance of a motive. Coupled with the fact that this man appears to have had no prior history of mental health problems or a history of violence, and didn't even leave so much as a suicide note behind, and I'm scratching my head at why exactly this happened. Maybe it will come to us in due time though.

shades wrote:

I would like to have exact information of the type of weapon this guy used. They have not confirmed that yet.

I've heard it was a machine gun (which raises the question of how he got it when they're supposed to be illegal), but no confirmation on that.

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Just read a report saying now that the gunman had NO connection with any Terror group. No one knows what the hell is going on apparently.

I have not heard of any semblance of a motive. Coupled with the fact that this man appears to have had no prior history of mental health problems or a history of violence, and didn't even leave so much as a suicide note behind, and I'm scratching my head at why exactly this happened. Maybe it will come to us in due time though.

shades wrote:

I would like to have exact information of the type of weapon this guy used. They have not confirmed that yet.

I've heard it was a machine gun (which raises the question of how he got it when they're supposed to be illegal), but no confirmation on that.

Unfortunately misinformation seems to be the name of the game. We will likely have to wait a few days until everything settles and all the facts get sorted out.

If it was a trigger actuator then it could have easily sounded like a machine gun. Basically it shoots as fast as you could crank. Combine that with a drum mag that actually functioned and you'd have pure chaos. Course you could have 30 round mags but you would have to reload every few seconds.

I'm wondering if he had multiple trigger actuators on various weapons, the barrel would heat up so fast that accuracy would virtually be zero if you were to continue using the same rifle. Course accuracy doesn't matter when you have 22,000 targets.

If I weren't at work I would listen and try to determine the gun used. If it were me (and it's NOT obviously) I would have used AK's which are 7.62, you wouldn't have to worry about jams or anything cause those things just don't quit. If he used a 5.56/.223 I'd be surprised if it lasted over 3 mags or 90 rounds with a crank on it, maybe if it wasn't gas impingement, but I can't see an older guy buying a piston driven AR.

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I'm not sure if he was actually aiming well or just sprayed towards the concert?

edit: The reason it means something to me because I've been comparing him to Charles Whitman and Charles had immaculate aiming, IDK about this guy. And it would play a factor with say his background and guns/shooting.

If the rate of fire was extremely fast a scope would have only been useful for sighting in again after a reload and of course the initial sighting in.

Edit: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'm interested in his setup because...  wow, seriously?  I think Charles is still gonna be the sniping king.  This guy had to spray and pray if the rate of fire is fast.  I guess spray and pray isn't all that appropriate lol.

Double Edit:  At least 19 weapons now, but no specifics.

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.308 and .223 may have used a mini? Not sure. .308 would have done similar damage to an AK as it's a pretty close match to 7.62. Drops deer dead anyway.

shades wrote:

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It wasn't my mom, it was my aunt. All she said was that she knew him from the casino that she worked at, and that he was a "big" gambler. She seemed pretty shaken up, so I didn't press the issue. Since some time has passed, I might ask her for more information.

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Pretty good article detailing more about Stephen's life.

Will this shooting have some some of sort of a legacy? I wonder if people will still talk about it for months or years to come.

1Mare1 wrote:

Will this shooting have some some of sort of a legacy? I wonder if people will still talk about it for months or years to come.

I'm starting to think that for a shooting to have longevity it isn't the number of victims but more about how much the police choose not to release. The less the authorities release, or the more they cover up like Columbine, the more of a legacy certain shootings have IMHO.

Have to wait and see though.

1Mare1 wrote:

Will this shooting have some some of sort of a legacy? I wonder if people will still talk about it for months or years to come.

Who knows? It could be remembered, or could just fall off the radar when the news reports stop coming in. Only time will tell.

silentprocess wrote:

If the rate of fire was extremely fast a scope would have only been useful for sighting in again after a reload and of course the initial sighting in.

Edit: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'm interested in his setup because...  wow, seriously?  I think Charles is still gonna be the sniping king.  This guy had to spray and pray if the rate of fire is fast.  I guess spray and pray isn't all that appropriate lol.

Double Edit:  At least 19 weapons now, but no specifics.

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.308 and .223 may have used a mini?  Not sure.  .308 would have done similar damage to an AK as it's a pretty close match to 7.62.  Drops deer dead anyway.

This is why I am waiting for the dust to settle and the real facts to be sorted from the bullshit. Way too many conflicting stories running right now.

You can buy all sorts of shit online to modify a semi auto into a full blown machine. He probably just did that. I would like to know motive. What made him just snap? Was it as simple as losing everything gambling? Or more?

Sane One wrote:

You can buy all sorts of shit online to modify a semi auto into a full blown machine. He probably just did that. I would like to know motive. What made him just snap? Was it as simple as losing everything gambling? Or more?

I don't think a motive has been established yet.

Gamblers are unstable. What makes him even more of a coward is the fact he planned everything out. I’m going all in and in case I do lose, I will take others with me. But I’m sure if he went on a big winning run the tragedy would have been avoided.

They said he was playing $ 100.00 a hand in poker. That’s not counting what he did at the slots. You can get yourself in trouble gambling that type of way.

awsomehq wrote:

They really need to get on gun control, Look at Finland, UK, Australia and Japan.

guns dont shoot themselves people do. I always ponder why people are so keen to give up their freedom and rights.

Naze Warbled wrote:

Perfection

What the fuck is wrong with you? You realize that people have DIED right? That being said my heart goes out to all of the victims of this tragedy. I couldn't believe the amount of casualties when I heard about it on the news. Honestly it's crazy to me how old the guy was. When you think of a mass shooter you think like 15-25 not 60+ jesus christ, at such an old age I can only imagine what would make him want to kill so many innocent people?

MysteryMan wrote:

awsomehq wrote:

They really need to get on gun control, Look at Finland, UK, Australia and Japan.

guns dont shoot themselves people do. I always ponder why people are so keen to give up their freedom and rights.

I agree.

1Mare1 wrote:

Will this shooting have some some of sort of a legacy? I wonder if people will still talk about it for months or years to come.

Most likely. It was the worst US mass shooting, it had a brand new gimmick (Las Vegas Strip), and it occurred during the "era" of mass shootings.

He's dad was on the fbis most wanted.
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It will have a different legacy for sure, but it'll have one none the less. There's the hash tag [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] on a few of my friends facebook pages. I doubt the shooter is going to get the E&D treatment but I think there is going to be some sort of uprising because people are getting pissed off and scared.

So far he seems to represent a lot of what America is rebelling against. There's no flashy manifesto, no journals or anything like that to make people "intrigued". He was a rich old white guy. I'm not sure any copycats are going to aspire to be like him, except to try to have a bigger kill count. I hope I'm making sense, I want to digest all of this.

1Mare1 wrote:

Will this shooting have some some of sort of a legacy? I wonder if people will still talk about it for months or years to come.

Most likely.

For example, the Sandy Hook shooting is still discussed today even though it happened in 2012.

I think the biggest reason for that is because most of the victims were children.

However, I am convinced that this shooting will also lead to many gun-control debates because of the high number of casualties.

Screamingophelia wrote:

There's no flashy manifesto, no journals or anything like that to make people "intrigued".

It's incredibly puzzling, to say the least.

Absolutely.

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Just received word that Stephen might have recorded himself committing the shooting. A mounted camera was found in his hotel room.

An older shooter is more scary to me - more experienced and more financial resources to use for better guns and ammo. With a soft target of 22,000 people in a small area just shoot as quickly as possible you will probably hit someone or something. I wonder how long he planned the attack and what caused him to carry out his attack. My thoughts go out to all the dead and wounded and their families.

<<-reBKa->> wrote:

Just received word that Stephen might have recorded himself committing the shooting. A mounted camera was found in his hotel room.

I guess we'll add it to the list of mass murderer footage that'll never see the light of day - right alongside the Basement Tapes and the Sandy Hook security cam footage.

Have we decided then that it's likely his motive is he'd blown all his retirement savings on gambling in the nearby casinos and decided to take his revenge on the town rather than live the rest of his days on a state pension?

Wait he used up to 10 weapons? Wasn't just one? Any word on what they were?

It sounded like a semi or a full-auto throughout but maybe he did use different ones during the rounds he did

He had "in excess" of 19 weapons.

I was referring to the picture Above where it implied or im reading it wrong where he used multiple of all the weapons he had.

Here’s the latest.

Name Stephen Paddock. He was 64 years old and a local. No criminal history at all. Brother and family said this came out of no where, He lived in a nice retirement community with other old people. Last time contact was Brother and he said Stephen contacted him text message to see how mother was doing after hurricane irma and he sent her a walker. Was known to have at least a couple guns but nothing to the extreme law enforcement found in his hotel room. 23 guns were found in his room. Another 19/20 at his house. He checked in Thursday Sept 28th. He didn’t bring all guns up at once obviously, leading up to the event he was seen bringing several suitcases up to his room on a daily basis. He tried to limit the amount of people who came in and out like housekeeping during his stay but when people did go in, they didn’t find anything suspicious. Brother said he was a multi millionaire who made all his money in real estate but they have proof Stephen made several large gambling transactions in the weeks leading up to the tragedy. Whether they were wins or losses, who knows. “Semi Big” gambler known to play poker and video slots all day and night, Techinically there still is no motive. It’s interesting to note he did have his pilot license and owned several planes.

QuestionMark wrote:

<<-reBKa->> wrote:

Just received word that Stephen might have recorded himself committing the shooting. A mounted camera was found in his hotel room.

I guess we'll add it to the list of mass murderer footage that'll never see the light of day - right alongside the Basement Tapes and the Sandy Hook security cam footage.

No doubt there, unless it gets leaked within the next few days.

And in regards to gambling, something went down in the lone prime time game last night, Monday night football that coincided with just bad especially if you had Redskins. Nothing at all to do with the tragedy Sunday night but just a little freaky the game went down the way it did. Redskins were playing the Chiefs and the spread was +6.5 or 7 for Washington Redskins. The score is 23-20 Chiefs with only 4 seconds left in the game and the Redskins on their own 20 or so try to do trick plays with all the backward laterals and they wind up botching it up big, fumbling all over and a Chiefs guy winds up running it in for the touchdown to win and cover 29-20. With that play, not only was spread impacted but total of 48 as well. No need for the Chiefs player to run it in for a td with no time remaining but did anyways. Just freaky shit around 24 hours later. gambling is unhealthy

Has any clear motive been found yet?

I can’t find anything. His brother is in complete shock. He says Stephen wasn’t political, religious or anything. Just a gambler and golfer.

But if I had to guess, it had to do with gambling. He must have been losing.

Sane One wrote:

I can’t find anything. His brother is in complete shock. He says Stephen wasn’t political, religious or anything. Just a gambler and golfer.

I've been going through all the news reports trying to find something. I mean there has to be a reason that he decided to do this, he had to have had some sort of plan or agenda. Maybe it will come to light in the following days/weeks.