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Columbine_Video_Archives
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:38 pm | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...This is fascinating. But yes I do think that E&D planned a date n time when their closest friends would be safe. Or at least that is what I'm going to tell myself. | |
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runreilly
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:54 pm | |
| - Columbine_Video_Archives wrote:
- [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...This is fascinating. But yes I do think that E&D planned a date n time when their closest friends would be safe.
It still just seems so risky. What if one of their best friends had a meeting with a teacher, or forgot about a test and needed to quickly cram in the library or commons? What if someone was having car trouble and decided to stay at school rather than drive away for lunch? | |
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Lizpuff
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:58 pm | |
| Eric spoke about hoping his friends survived the bombing. I don't think they planned it around them being out. But it was planned for a time many of them did have lunch so one could argue that. _________________ Hold me now I need to feel complete Like I matter to the one I need
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runreilly
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:11 pm | |
| - Lizpuff wrote:
- Eric spoke about hoping his friends survived the bombing.
But this is completely expected. They didn't want their friends to be blamed. This would be true if their friends knew absolutely nothing, were full-on conspirators, or anything in between. Their friends were already in the school that morning. E&D just hoping they would leave for lunch as usual makes me wonder. We can all think of a million unexpected reasons why Robyn, Nate, or Chris might have been in the commons when the propane tanks were set too explode. Risky, risky. They also covered for their parents, but I have a hard time believing the Harris' knew so little. Their silence is suspicious. | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:11 pm | |
| Well I think he would have just let him go back in, so he could die with the rest. |
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Jenn Forum & Discord Server Owner
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:59 pm | |
| - sororityalpha wrote:
- 1998-1999 Daily Bell Schedule:
Regular Schedule
Period 1 7:30AM-8:20AM
Period 2 8:25AM-9:20AM
Period 3 9:25AM-10:15AM
Period 4 10:20AM-11:10AM
Period 5 11:15AM-11:45AM Lunch A, 11:50AM-12:40PM Class  Period 5 11:15AM-12:05PM Class, 12:10PM-12:40PM Lunch B Â
Period 6 12:45PM-1:35PM
Period 7 1:40PM-2:30PM Thank you for this. This helps clear up whether Brooks saw Eric before or after he set up the bombs. It was definitely after because Brooks would have still been in class when they took the bombs into the Cafeteria. So the timeline looks something like this - 10:59 - Eric drops bomb off 11:00 - Dylan drops bomb off 11:00 - 11:10 - They drive to Clemente Park to gear up and put their trench coats on 11:10 - 4th period finishes and Brooks makes his way outside 11:12 (give or take a few minutes) - Eric pulls into the parking lot and Brooks sees him 11:12 - 11:15 (give or take a few minutes) - Brooks confronts Eric about missing class, Eric tells him to go home. 11:17 - Bombs fail to detonate 11:19 - The boys start shooting I'm just wondering though, if 1st period didn't start until 7:30, why was bowling at 6:15? Was that an extra class or something and not considered 1st period? _________________ “And may you grow to be proud Dignified and true And do unto others As you'd have done to you”
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lasttrain
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:06 pm | |
| - Lizpuff wrote:
- lasttrain wrote:
- No, according to a sworn statement in the 11K Brooks attended all his classes.
Pg. 10670: 10:20 AM - 11:10 AM Attended Creative Writing Class
On pg. 2 of No Easy Answers he also states that he attended creative writing class. He went to creative writing but did not go to choir The question was about the class before the massacre started. | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:22 pm | |
| Brooks brown More like Crooks Brown
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Justjenna
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:23 pm | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I don't think it's suspicious that the Harris' have kept silent. In the immediate aftermath they feared for their lives and financial stability. They are probably following the recommendation of their attorneys, even now. Eric Harris was a master liar who fooled everyone, even his military father. It's clear from Wayne's journal that he took parenting very seriously. | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:25 pm | |
| But in all seriousness this thread has kind of changed my pov on the convo. I think it might have happened. |
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runreilly
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:48 pm | |
| - Justjenna wrote:
- [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I don't think it's suspicious that the Harris' have kept silent. In the immediate aftermath they feared for their lives and financial stability. They are probably following the recommendation of their attorneys, even now.
Eric Harris was a master liar who fooled everyone, even his military father. It's clear from Wayne's journal that he took parenting very seriously. I just think it's highly possible they found something. But I agree with you, the public was out for blood. They would have wanted them burnt at the stake if they even admitted to finding a swiss army knife in Eric's bedroom. It was impossible for them to be forthcoming. | |
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EGSandrew Randy Stair September 17, 1992 - June 8, 2017
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:13 am | |
| I still find it hard to believe that all of that time would pass without finding something on accident, or at least something small. I mean did Eric really have his room under tight security? I wouldn't really think so; he was just clever with hiding spots. I would be willing to bet my life that something beyond general recognition was seen by his parents. It still blows my mind that they prepped for over a year and didn't slip up or have their rooms to get searched (minus the "your clips are in" close call). | |
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sscc
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:56 pm | |
| - EGSandrew wrote:
- I still find it hard to believe that all of that time would pass without finding something on accident, or at least something small. I mean did Eric really have his room under tight security? I wouldn't really think so; he was just clever with hiding spots. I would be willing to bet my life that something beyond general recognition was seen by his parents. It still blows my mind that they prepped for over a year and didn't slip up or have their rooms to get searched (minus the "your clips are in" close call).
I think Eric's parents were searching his room after the van incident. I remember reading that Wayne found a pipe bomb in Eric's room and that he either disposed of or detonated an explosive device but I can't remember the details. There is also this short writing assignment where Eric mentioned that his parents took away all of his weapons. This was written before they bought any guns but it suggests that he's talking about some of his explosive experiments because he says he "spent a lot of time making them." I don't know if his parents ever returned those items. I think Wayne considered Eric's interest in explosives and weapons to be somewhat normal. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:43 pm | |
| - Jenn wrote:
10:59 - Eric drops bomb off 11:00 - Dylan drops bomb off 11:00 - 11:10 - They drive to Clemente Park to gear up and put their trench coats on 11:10 - 4th period finishes and Brooks makes his way outside 11:12 (give or take a few minutes) - Eric pulls into the parking lot and Brooks sees him 11:12 - 11:15 (give or take a few minutes) - Brooks confronts Eric about missing class, Eric tells him to go home. 11:17 - Bombs fail to detonate 11:19 - The boys start shooting
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EGSandrew Randy Stair September 17, 1992 - June 8, 2017
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:00 pm | |
| - sscc wrote:
- EGSandrew wrote:
- I still find it hard to believe that all of that time would pass without finding something on accident, or at least something small. I mean did Eric really have his room under tight security? I wouldn't really think so; he was just clever with hiding spots. I would be willing to bet my life that something beyond general recognition was seen by his parents. It still blows my mind that they prepped for over a year and didn't slip up or have their rooms to get searched (minus the "your clips are in" close call).
I think Eric's parents were searching his room after the van incident. I remember reading that Wayne found a pipe bomb in Eric's room and that he either disposed of or detonated an explosive device but I can't remember the details. There is also this short writing assignment where Eric mentioned that his parents took away all of his weapons. This was written before they bought any guns but it suggests that he's talking about some of his explosive experiments because he says he "spent a lot of time making them." I don't know if his parents ever returned those items. I think Wayne considered Eric's interest in explosives and weapons to be somewhat normal. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Oh yeah, I remember hearing somewhere Wayne physically made him detonate one of his pipe bombs in a field or something. That's right.. | |
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lasttrain
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:57 pm | |
| The one question I've always had about Brooks Brown is whether he looked back as he was walking away from Eric's car toward Pierce Street.
If someone directed me away from the school under such bizarre conditions I would've looked back. | |
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Fatheroftwo
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:26 am | |
| At least one witness confirmed Brooks talking with Eric minutes prior to the massacre:
11k-report p1201-1300 page 55
Stephanie stated that she was out at the "smoking pit" at 11:15-11:20 AM and that she had started to walk to the cafeteria when she heard an explosion, but didn't think anything of it because she thought it was a senior prank. Stephanie then stated that she saw Eric Harris at the top of the stairs talking to Brooks Brown. I asked Stephanie what Eric was wearing and she stated that he was in his black trench coat and black pants. I asked Stephanie what happened next and she replied Brooks went down the stairs and Eric pulled out a "BIG" gun and started shooting into the main hall doors. I asked Stephanie if she was sure that she had seen Brooks Brown and not someone else and she stated that she was sure. I asked Stephanie what happened next and she stated that she was very scared and started running toward Clement Park, then once she got there she went home. | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:21 am | |
| Brooks Brown was full of shit. He made up he cussed him out and that Eric spared him |
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sscc
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:32 am | |
| - Fatheroftwo wrote:
- At least one witness confirmed Brooks talking with Eric minutes prior to the massacre:
11k-report p1201-1300 page 55
Stephanie stated that she was out at the "smoking pit" at 11:15-11:20 AM and that she had started to walk to the cafeteria when she heard an explosion, but didn't think anything of it because she thought it was a senior prank. Â Stephanie then stated that she saw Eric Harris at the top of the stairs talking to Brooks Brown. Â I asked Stephanie what Eric was wearing and she stated that he was in his black trench coat and black pants. Â I asked Stephanie what happened next and she replied Brooks went down the stairs and Eric pulled out a "BIG" gun and started shooting into the main hall doors. Â I asked Stephanie if she was sure that she had seen Brooks Brown and not someone else and she stated that she was sure. Â I asked Stephanie what happened next and she stated that she was very scared and started running toward Clement Park, then once she got there she went home. Doesn't this contradict Brooks' statement that he spoke to Eric by his car in the senior parking lot? | |
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Fatheroftwo
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:15 am | |
| - sscc wrote:
- Fatheroftwo wrote:
- At least one witness confirmed Brooks talking with Eric minutes prior to the massacre:
11k-report p1201-1300 page 55
Stephanie stated that she was out at the "smoking pit" at 11:15-11:20 AM and that she had started to walk to the cafeteria when she heard an explosion, but didn't think anything of it because she thought it was a senior prank. Â Stephanie then stated that she saw Eric Harris at the top of the stairs talking to Brooks Brown. Â I asked Stephanie what Eric was wearing and she stated that he was in his black trench coat and black pants. Â I asked Stephanie what happened next and she replied Brooks went down the stairs and Eric pulled out a "BIG" gun and started shooting into the main hall doors. Â I asked Stephanie if she was sure that she had seen Brooks Brown and not someone else and she stated that she was sure. Â I asked Stephanie what happened next and she stated that she was very scared and started running toward Clement Park, then once she got there she went home. Doesn't this contradict Brooks' statement that he spoke to Eric by his car in the senior parking lot? Was considering that as well, but "Stephanie's" comments aren't clear as to which "main hall" and "stairs" she's referencing. Could be either side of the school and more likely the senior side but fairly unclear. It's more likely that an IO screwed up on a few details rather than "Stephanie" making up a story to cover for Brooks. Add in the confusion factor, she certainly wouldn't have heard an explosion then witnessed Brooks talking with Eric. Then again these are kids that were traumatized, possibly wanting to be "involved" and taking rumor and projecting it into their eye witness accounts. I'll lean towards Brooks having encountered Eric, but we'll never really know for certain. | |
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sororityalpha Top 10 Contributor
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:46 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:52 pm | |
| I've always wanted to know Brooks reasoning for why the gun hand signals in the class photo. I mean 4 of them pulled the same hand gesture so they must have discussed it. I know during class photos when I was school the non serious photo was only taken minutes after the serious photo. Has he ever mentioned the background about that class photo? Sorry if it's been posted it asked before I'm new here and I'm a phone so hard to search. Personally I think brooks exaggerated the conversation with Eric if there was one or he knew a lot more then he's ever let on. I mean if that was me and a old friend who I wasn't really friends with said that (which again makes no sense seeing as they are posing together pulling gun gestures in a class photo which you wouldn't do with someone you weren't really friends with) to me I'd be a bit more curious as to what he's on about. Sigh hope that all makes sense. | |
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runreilly
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:22 pm | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]It's very uncanny, and it definitely does not look good for Brooks. He took a ton of heat in the community after the massacre and I'd bet this photo raised more than a few eyebrows. The problem with Brooks is that it's possible he knew a lot, but also also possible he didn't. He's innocent until proven guilty and there's virtually no evidence against his claims. Eric and Dylan were counting down the days (approx. six weeks) until the massacre and I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed the idea to hold up fake guns in the minute or so before the "silly" class photo. Friends sitting nearby probably had very little time to think and just went along with it. E&D must have had a good laugh and been proud of this photo knowing what they had in the works. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]^ Some interesting findings in the class photo. This is all I could find. | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:43 pm | |
| Has brooks brown ever spoken about that photo or been asked? Otherwise it's just pure assumption either way, be interested to hear what he has to say about it and why they did that. I actually think he's unreliable with a tendancy to embellish fact after everything ive read and seen about him though. | |
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Rose The Hat
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:27 pm | |
| I have questions about Brook's last exchange with Eric as well.
Brooks said that the last time he saw Eric, he(Brooks) gave Eric a hard time about missing a Chinese Philosophy test that morning. Eric then said a few things to Brooks, ultimately telling him to go home. Brooks did as he was told.
My question is, if Brooks had really been ragging on Eric for missing a class, why would he himself then go home and skip classes? It seems hypocritical to me. It makes me wonder if Brooks, noting Eric's absence on a test day and having heard rumors about 4/20, was actually questioning Eric's intentions towards the school that day. I guess I feel like Brooks did have an encounter with Eric when and where he said he did, but I question the actual content of the exchange. I hope that makes sense.
Also, where was the smoker's pit? Was it on campus, or just off? Was it that little alcove in the hillside created by the stairs that was on campus, but not really visible from the school? | |
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sororityalpha Top 10 Contributor
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:32 pm | |
| The smoker's pit was north of the school by the tennis courts. | |
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Rose The Hat
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:48 pm | |
| If the smoker's pit was north of the school, then why would Brooks have exited near the parking lot where Eric had parked? Sorry, I'm just trying to get my bearings. I know the library and commons faced West, and that was the location of Senior parking. It was my understanding that Eric parked in the Senior lot? | |
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sororityalpha Top 10 Contributor
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:50 pm | |
| Eric parked in the Junior Parking Lot, maybe this will help: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] | |
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sscc
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:54 pm | |
| - sororityalpha wrote:
- Eric parked in the Junior Parking Lot, maybe this will help:
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Also, if I remember correctly, Brooks was already walking down Pierce Street when he saw Eric pulling into the junior lot so he walked back toward the school to speak to him. | |
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Jenn Forum & Discord Server Owner
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:54 pm | |
| - Rose The Hat wrote:
- If the smoker's pit was north of the school, then why would Brooks have exited near the parking lot where Eric had parked? Sorry, I'm just trying to get my bearings. I know the library and commons faced West, and that was the location of Senior parking. It was my understanding that Eric parked in the Senior lot?
Brooks wasn't going to the smoker's pit. He finished his class and was walking home for lunch. He was on his lunch break. Whether or not he intended to come back for the rest of his classes, I don't know. It seems that a lot of the kids at Columbine skipped classes. Brooks was getting on Eric's case because Eric skipped a class where they were taking a big test that was going to be a pretty big part of their grade for the class. So it's a bit different to once in awhile ditch gym class, study hall or drama class than skipping a class where the test is going to really effect your grade. _________________ “And may you grow to be proud Dignified and true And do unto others As you'd have done to you”
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Rose The Hat
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:05 pm | |
| Okay. I had Eric and Dylan's car's locations switched, and the reason why Brooks was leaving, in my mind, was incorrect. Thanks for the help and for the correction. | |
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sororityalpha Top 10 Contributor
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:08 pm | |
| Just a few references about the smoker's pit to get an idea of the location...
Anthony 'Tony' Doty, Page 000777:
He stated he was on the north side of the building, near the smoking pit which is located near the tennis courts.
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From there, Garrett said that he walked to the "smoker's pit" near the tennis courts.
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They then passed the tennis courts area and hopped a fence going to an area known as the smoking pit.
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He said that from there he ran out the north doors by the smokers pit He said that he climbed the fence and ran to Clement park.
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She said that they then ran to an area referred to as the "smoker's pit" which is in Clement Park near the tennis courts and batting cage.
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He and others ran to the smoker's pit, over the fence and into Clement Park.
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We ran down the hall, past the main office, down the counselor's hall and out the door to the smoker's pit. The smoker's pit has 3 fences. On the left is a baseball field, on the right there is a tennis court. In the center is a fence about 4 to 4 1/2 feet tail. Sarah was starting to get hysterical saying 'they're cornering us in, they're cornering us in." We jumped the fence and ran towards Clemet Park.
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He then turned north into the hall by the counseling offices and out the north side of the building. He ran through the smoking pit, jumped the fence and ran north into Clement Park.
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Upon exiting the school. Christopher said that he ran northward to the fence line near the "smoker's pit." From there, Christopher said that staff members told he and others to climb over the fence and continue running north into Clement Park, which he then did.
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He then exited the building through the art department; coming out of the building near the area called the smokers' pit. which he explained is a fenced area with trash cans near the tennis and basketball courts.
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Rose The Hat
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:25 pm | |
| Not sure how to use the quote feature for just the parts I want, but, this part from SA was pretty helpful in pinpointing the area, with the help of some aerial photos.
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We ran down the hall, past the main office, down the counselor's hall and out the door to the smoker's pit. The smoker's pit has 3 fences. On the left is a baseball field, on the right there is a tennis court. In the center is a fence about 4 to 4 1/2 feet tail."
Thanks SSCC for the info about Brooks walking down Pierce when he saw Eric. That helps a lot. Thanks to Jenn for a great discussion area. So many question I google about Columbine lead me to this board and its excellent discussions. | |
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sororityalpha Top 10 Contributor
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:38 pm | |
| Brooks Brown encountered Ryan Shwayder, Deanna Shaffer (Ryan Shwayder's girlfriend), and Matthew Houck on 4/20.
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BROWN told them he was going to "the smokers pit", when he saw HARRIS.
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Houck saw Brooks walking down Pierce Street when they first departed from the Columbine Parking lot @ about 11:12am. Encountered Brooks again by Walker Avenue some minutes later.
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Returning from McDonald's saw Brooks standing in the middle of Hoover Street. BROWN told them that he thought he heard shots after he left the school, and that he thought HARRIS was involved. BROWN described that he was outside, and HARRIS walked by him and told him to leave. Then BROWN said, "Oh, man. I think he had a duffel bag with him".
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11:48 Call was made to Matt HOUCK's father at his workplace. 11:51 Attempt by BROWN to call JCSD 11:52 Operator Assisted Call, Call by BROWN to ACSD 11:56 Operator Assisted Call, Call by BROWN to ACSD 12:10 Call by SHWAYDER to his residence 12:10 Call by Deanna SHAFFER to her residence 12:28 Call by Deanna SHAFFER to her residence 12:38 Call by SHWAYDER to his mother on another cell phone
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sororityalpha Top 10 Contributor
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:44 pm | |
| From Brooks Brown's statements:
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Brown advised that after 4th hour class (approximately 1110 hrs) Brown went outside to have a cigarette. Brown was at the main entrance near the cafeteria. Harris drove up in Harris's vehicle and exited the car, Harris was alone and was carrying a light blue gym bag. Harris said to Brown. "Brooks I like you get out of here.".
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At approximately 11:10 a.m. BROWN left the school walking out the door just to the south of the main entrance smoking a cigarette and walked down to Pierce Street. As he reached Pierce Street he observed, HARRIS pulling into the student parking lot and park his car in the lot. As soon as HARRIS parks his vehicle, BROWN meets him at the vehicle. [After talking with Eric] BROWN walked from HARRIS'S vehicle to Pierce Street, thinking about what HARRIS said. At that point he hears a loud bang and an explosion. BROWN runs down West Fair Drive knocking on doors for assistance.
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:58 pm | |
| What would Brooks define as the "main entrance to the cafeteria". Also, where was the official main entrance of the school? | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:02 pm | |
| - Rose The Hat wrote:
- What would Brooks define as the "main entrance to the cafeteria". Also, where was the official main entrance of the school?
The main entrance to the school was at the top of the staircase. They called it the "west entrance". _________________ “And may you grow to be proud Dignified and true And do unto others As you'd have done to you”
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:21 pm | |
| - Rose The Hat wrote:
- What would Brooks define as the "main entrance to the cafeteria". Also, where was the official main entrance of the school?
The main entrance to the cafeteria would be the Southwest Entrance. The East Entrance was by the Administration Offices, which would probably be the official Main Entrance. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] | |
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Rose The Hat
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:38 pm | |
| I sense some disagreement as to entrances. | |
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Rose The Hat
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:48 pm | |
| You have all been so nice to me, and have answered my very specific questions. Please don't ban me for asking this question. Just moderate it and don't post it if you think it goes to far.
You guys have never answered my real question: Did Brooks Brown know more than he admits to? Were his actions really consistent with his story? Did his story change at all? I'm just asking. The reason I ask is because one of the killers asked the other in the library if they were still going through with the plan. I just wonder at the extent of the original plan. | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:49 pm | |
| - Rose The Hat wrote:
- I sense some disagreement as to entrances.
Well every diagram I've ever looked at has the "west entrance" as the main entrance. The east entrance is where the teacher's parking lot was. That was the entrance that the teachers used. The west entrance (which is right by the senior parking lot) would be the main entrance for students. _________________ “And may you grow to be proud Dignified and true And do unto others As you'd have done to you”
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:57 pm | |
| About Brooks - we really have no way of knowing what he knew. He's a known liar so of course he's gonna say he didn't know anything about the shooting even if he did.
I'm no fan of Brooks..at all. I do not like him. I think he and his parents used Columbine simply for attention. Like why did his parents need to view the Basement Tapes? Their children were not hurt or injured. Their child wasn't one of the shooters and no evidence was ever brought forward that would make Brooks look guilty of knowing anything.
And another thing, Dylan's Mom said that Dylan was not even that close to Brooks. They were really good friends in grammar school but in high school I don't think they hung out all that much and up until a few months before Eric and Brooks hated each other.
So I am going to say (and this is just my opinion) that no, Brooks did not know they were going to shoot up the school or knew what their plan was at all. He may have suspected something when he was talking to Eric and that is why he wanted to hurry up and get out of there. But I don't think that Dylan nor Eric would have trusted to tell Brooks their plan. I mean after all, Brooks parents did go to the cops about Eric and Brooks Mother also showed up at Eric's house that one time. So it wouldn't make sense for them to trust Brooks with their plan. _________________ “And may you grow to be proud Dignified and true And do unto others As you'd have done to you”
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:59 pm | |
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Nicole Nowlen stated she was dropped off by her father near the east main entrance to the school.
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He parked in the Junior lot, and then entered the school through the lower main entrance, which goes into the commons.
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Munson and Walker then began running east toward the school's main entrance.
Just before she and Walker were exiting the first set of glass double doors at the main entrance, Munson stated that it felt like a firecracker blew up inside of her sock.
Munson stated that she did not see anyone come out of the main entrance after she and Walker left the building.
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Peter Ball stated he was dropped off at school by his mother and entered via the "main entrance," located on the east side of the school.
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His father dropped him off in the teacher's parking lot. He entered the main entrance, went to his locker, then to his first period class.
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She parked her car in the teachers lot. She entered the school through the main entrance and walked west down the north main hallway to the library.
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Bree Pasquale further verified when taken to school, she is dropped off in the "front" (east side) and uses the main entrance to gain access to the school.
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Stephanie Salmon stated she used the main entrance (east side) when entering the school.
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BEARD said that he exited the school through the main entrance on the north-east side of the school.
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Greg said that he ran out of Columbine High School through a door on the east side of Columbine High School, just south of the main entrance/administrative offices.
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They arrived at approximately 0700 hours and parked on Fair Street which is directly east of Columbine High School. Steve entered the main entrance of the building and stated he saw nothing unusual outside the building or inside the building between classes.
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She said her mother dropped her off at the main entrance by the office.
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She parked in the faculty parking lot and entered through the main entrance and went to the main offices to pick up her mail.
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Goodwin and Romero continued out the main entrance, through the teachers' parking lot, and to Clement Park.
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She stated that she entered into the school through the main entrance, located near the main office area.
I could keep going but this should give some idea...
So, it really is a question of perspective.
Most say the Main Entrance was the East Entrance.
But there also was a West Entrance and a Southwest Entrance by the Cafeteria and a few other entrance/exit doors around the school, hehe. | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:04 pm | |
| - Jenn wrote:
- About Brooks - we really have no way of knowing what he knew. He's a known liar so of course he's gonna say he didn't know anything about the shooting even if he did.
I'm no fan of Brooks..at all. I do not like him. I think he and his parents used Columbine simply for attention. Like why did his parents need to view the Basement Tapes? Their children were not hurt or injured. Their child wasn't one of the shooters and no evidence was ever brought forward that would make Brooks look guilty of knowing anything.
And another thing, Dylan's Mom said that Dylan was not even that close to Brooks. They were really good friends in grammar school but in high school I don't think they hung out all that much and up until a few months before Eric and Brooks hated each other.
So I am going to say (and this is just my opinion) that no, Brooks did not know they were going to shoot up the school or knew what their plan was at all. He may have suspected something when he was talking to Eric and that is why he wanted to hurry up and get out of there. But I don't think that Dylan nor Eric would have trusted to tell Brooks their plan. I mean after all, Brooks parents did go to the cops about Eric and Brooks Mother also showed up at Eric's house that one time. So it wouldn't make sense for them to trust Brooks with their plan. Maybe Brooks was just terrified of Eric, therefore he left the school. | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:22 pm | |
| - Rose The Hat wrote:
- Jenn wrote:
- About Brooks - we really have no way of knowing what he knew. He's a known liar so of course he's gonna say he didn't know anything about the shooting even if he did.
I'm no fan of Brooks..at all. I do not like him. I think he and his parents used Columbine simply for attention. Like why did his parents need to view the Basement Tapes? Their children were not hurt or injured. Their child wasn't one of the shooters and no evidence was ever brought forward that would make Brooks look guilty of knowing anything.
And another thing, Dylan's Mom said that Dylan was not even that close to Brooks. They were really good friends in grammar school but in high school I don't think they hung out all that much and up until a few months before Eric and Brooks hated each other.
So I am going to say (and this is just my opinion) that no, Brooks did not know they were going to shoot up the school or knew what their plan was at all. He may have suspected something when he was talking to Eric and that is why he wanted to hurry up and get out of there. But I don't think that Dylan nor Eric would have trusted to tell Brooks their plan. I mean after all, Brooks parents did go to the cops about Eric and Brooks Mother also showed up at Eric's house that one time. So it wouldn't make sense for them to trust Brooks with their plan. Maybe Brooks was just terrified of Eric, therefore he left the school. Maybe. I don't recall Brooks ever saying he was afraid or terrified of Eric. Brooks did say he saw Eric with a blue duffel bag and then Eric told him to go home. I'm sure he starting thinking something was up but decided to just get out of there. _________________ “And may you grow to be proud Dignified and true And do unto others As you'd have done to you”
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:26 pm | |
| "About Brooks - we really have no way of knowing what he knew. He's a known liar so of course he's gonna say he didn't know anything about the shooting even if he did."
How do we know Brooks was a known liar?
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:56 am | |
| - Mayhem wrote:
- Has brooks brown ever spoken about that photo or been asked? Otherwise it's just pure assumption either way, be interested to hear what he has to say about it and why they did that. I actually think he's unreliable with a tendancy to embellish fact after everything ive read and seen about him though.
I don't know if Brooks ever commented on this but I was reading through some documents and I came across something Robyn said about the photo in an FBI interview. (12272) ANDERSON regretted posing in CHS senior class picture with KLEBOLD and HARRIS, acting like they were shooting guns. The picture was taken during the second period. They did not talk about posing that way ahead of time. KLEBOLD had put his left arm around ANDERSON and pretended to hold a gun, so she did too. If it was a spur of the moment thing for Robyn then maybe it was for Zach and Brooks, too. | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:33 am | |
| Thank you [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], I was trying to find that question [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] asked. Here is Brooks version, page 010670: BROWN advised the photo taken and placed in the 1998 Columbine High School Yearbook depicting some of the individuals shooting was a joke because some of their favorite movies are Natural Born Killers, Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs, which depicts killings. BROWN advised this was a total surprise to him and that it came unexpectedly.
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:41 am | |
| There is no reference from Zach Heckler in his statement about the Class Photo pointing guns thing. | |
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| Subject: Re: I'm questioning brooks conversation with Eric Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:06 am | |
| - sscc wrote:
- I came across something Robyn said about the photo in an FBI interview.
(12272) ANDERSON regretted posing in CHS senior class picture with KLEBOLD and HARRIS, acting like they were shooting guns. The picture was taken during the second period. They did not talk about posing that way ahead of time. KLEBOLD had put his left arm around ANDERSON and pretended to hold a gun, so she did too.
If it was a spur of the moment thing for Robyn then maybe it was for Zach and Brooks, too. It doesn't even look like Robyn is pointing guns with her fingers/hand in the photo, does it? Her right arm/hand is around Dylan and her left arm/hand looks like it is down her left side... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] | |
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