What were E/D doing on 4/20 pre-massacre?

mattmatthew1337 wrote:

Here is my estimation of the events as they happened in the morning

Good post. I bet they had a lot of last-minute adjustments to their gear and fussing with the bombs. Their farewell message is very much on the fly and seems almost like an afterthought. I think that shows they didn't have a lot of spare time on the morning of the attack.

mattmatthew1337 wrote:

Here is my estimation of the events as they happened in the morning:

On Tuesday at 5:00 AM both Eric and Dylan got up as usual, which normally would have seen them getting ready to go to bowling class. They both put on  clothing that was unrelated to NBK, Dylan left his house at 5:15, his parents were still in bed and he called out "bye" as he ran out the door, and wildly took off in his BMW. They would of then met up at the grocery store King Soopers. Here they proceded to buy a large quantity of gas tanks, possibly some more duffelbags, and lighter fluid and other flammable liquids. They would have bought any remaining items they needed. The two of them went to the bowling alley and were seen by multiple people in the parking lot at 7:15, but they left shortly after. They would then probably have met up at Eric's house and prepared for NBK in what i estimate to have been the following manner. They may have loaded up their personal explosives, firearms, and equipment into their personal backpacks/duffelbags and kept them in a quick to retrieve area. They would have loaded their ammunition into their pouches and kept their equipment handy. They probably would have also assembled their diversionary bombs at this point. They may have also assembled all their various alarm clocks at this point to be able to quickly assemble their main bombs. They would have then separated: eric to fill and buy the propane tanks and Dylan to fill the gasoline tanks. Eric filled up 2 propane tanks at Conoco for $79.16 at 8:36 AM and then filled another tank at Texaco at 9:12 for $52.39. Dylan filled up all the gas cans. Meanwhile Dylan showed up at school and was seen sitting in the cafeteria at 8:20 in the corner according to Brian Deidel. He was next seen by several girls independently who knew him driving out of the school parking lot, possibly filling up more fuel. He was seen in his black pants, boots, hat, and black shirt. Dylan at some point drove to Eric's house arriving at 9:00 while Eric was filling up the propane tanks. He pulls into the garage and sounds of broken glass was heard, possibly creating shrapnel. Within a few minutes he pulls back out of hte car and leaves. Dylan probably drove to Wendy's about this point and got some french fry's, according to his autopsy. From 10:05 to 10:20 the two of them were seen in various places around the school. This was probably their chill time, just relaxing around the area. They would have left and went back to Eric's home and assembled the cafeteria bombs and car bombs. Since they both had all the necessary components they would have quickly assembled the bombs with probably pre-made alarm clocks. They would have loaded up all their car bomb material and equipment. At about 10:50 they recorded their final goodbye video in Eric's home and they would have left at about this time and drove to the field to drop off their diversionary bombs. Then they immediately drove toward school.

Interesting stuff. I wonder why Chris Morris decided not to show up to bowling class that morning although he usually was there. Did E & D tell him they would not be present? Then, why would Nate be ready for class? Did they say ''hi'' to Nate while at the bowling place?

JayJay wrote:

mattmatthew1337 wrote:

Here is my estimation of the events as they happened in the morning:

On Tuesday at 5:00 AM both Eric and Dylan got up as usual, which normally would have seen them getting ready to go to bowling class. They both put on  clothing that was unrelated to NBK, Dylan left his house at 5:15, his parents were still in bed and he called out "bye" as he ran out the door, and wildly took off in his BMW. They would of then met up at the grocery store King Soopers. Here they proceded to buy a large quantity of gas tanks, possibly some more duffelbags, and lighter fluid and other flammable liquids. They would have bought any remaining items they needed. The two of them went to the bowling alley and were seen by multiple people in the parking lot at 7:15, but they left shortly after. They would then probably have met up at Eric's house and prepared for NBK in what i estimate to have been the following manner. They may have loaded up their personal explosives, firearms, and equipment into their personal backpacks/duffelbags and kept them in a quick to retrieve area. They would have loaded their ammunition into their pouches and kept their equipment handy. They probably would have also assembled their diversionary bombs at this point. They may have also assembled all their various alarm clocks at this point to be able to quickly assemble their main bombs. They would have then separated: eric to fill and buy the propane tanks and Dylan to fill the gasoline tanks. Eric filled up 2 propane tanks at Conoco for $79.16 at 8:36 AM and then filled another tank at Texaco at 9:12 for $52.39. Dylan filled up all the gas cans. Meanwhile Dylan showed up at school and was seen sitting in the cafeteria at 8:20 in the corner according to Brian Deidel. He was next seen by several girls independently who knew him driving out of the school parking lot, possibly filling up more fuel. He was seen in his black pants, boots, hat, and black shirt. Dylan at some point drove to Eric's house arriving at 9:00 while Eric was filling up the propane tanks. He pulls into the garage and sounds of broken glass was heard, possibly creating shrapnel. Within a few minutes he pulls back out of hte car and leaves. Dylan probably drove to Wendy's about this point and got some french fry's, according to his autopsy. From 10:05 to 10:20 the two of them were seen in various places around the school. This was probably their chill time, just relaxing around the area. They would have left and went back to Eric's home and assembled the cafeteria bombs and car bombs. Since they both had all the necessary components they would have quickly assembled the bombs with probably pre-made alarm clocks. They would have loaded up all their car bomb material and equipment. At about 10:50 they recorded their final goodbye video in Eric's home and they would have left at about this time and drove to the field to drop off their diversionary bombs. Then they immediately drove toward school.

Interesting stuff. I wonder why Chris Morris decided not to show up to bowling class that morning although he usually was there. Did E & D tell him they would not be present? Then, why would Nate be ready for class? Did they say ''hi'' to Nate while at the bowling place?

I'm interested mattmatthew1337 where you got some of the information you posted from? Specifically that Dylan ate at Wendy's? I ask just because I don't recall any witnesses saying they saw Dylan at Wendy's?

JayJay Chris Morris was marked absent from the bowling class that morning. However the team who were due to bowl against Harris, Klebold, Morris and Dykeman on 4/20 all say Chris Morris and Nate Dykeman were there, just not Eric and Dylan. Carrie Sabey "specifically recalls Dykeman as well as Morris bowling that morning" pg(2150) She also mentions that Morris arrived late (after the teacher had taken attendance) and this could be the reason he was marked absent. Edward Olsen confirms Harris and Klebold did not show up for bowling class on 4/20. "The only ones present were Chris Morris and Nate Dykeman." pg(2086) Kristi Held who was also supposed to bowl against Eric and Dylan's team says she "specifically remembers Dykeman as well as Morris bowling that morning." pg(1922) Mike Paavilainen also confirms the presence of Morris and Dykeman pg(16417)
Interestingly Chris Morris says Eric was supposed to pick him up for bowling class on 4/20 at 5:00am but never showed up, he said he waited until 6:00am then made his own way there. pg(10802)

The fact Morris is marked absent from the register is very confusing, although it could just have been a simple mistake. Admittedly there are also a handful of students in bowling class who do not remember seeing Morris there. Although I feel like the team who were supposed to bowl against him are slightly more reliable witnesses as they would have been more likely to notice his absence. He also says himself that he was there although he did turn up late.

To address your second question we don't know if they did for a fact turn up at bowling that morning, it's all hearsay based on witness reports. As we discussed in this thread there are numerous witnesses that claim to have seen Eric and Dylan on 4/20 but in different places at the same time which is not possible. So it's a case of trying to figure out which statements are accurate and which are not. If they did turn up at the bowling class but didn't bowl it would be interesting to know why they went there.

You're right, queenfarook. It seems Chris was not on the register but was indeed bowling that morning. I'm reading that off the bowling classmates interviews in the ''Supplementary Reports'' now (pp.16, 395-16, 695), one of the reference you mentionned along with others.

It's a tough call to say if they were indeed in the parking of the bowling alley.  We now know they also may have been ordering fast food in Hawaian shirts (?!?)   

If they were at the bowling place, they may have been there for a short time leaving at around 7:15 as someone on this board mentionned. I was just wondering if they could have talked to Nate or someone else from the bowling class at that moment but it seems that it's not the case.

JayJay wrote:

We now know they also may have been ordering fast food in Hawaian shirts (?!?)  

Lol. That was only Dylan. Only Dylan went cruising around Burger King in his Hawaiian shirt. Eric didn't have one. Which is odd, because all their other clothing happened to match each other's that day. Maybe Eric did have a Hawaiian shirt, but nobody happened to see him in his?

It'd be hard for him to be seen as a badass killer in an Hawaiian shirt.   Might be that Eric, if he saw Dylan's exotic shirt, would not jump up and say ''Cool! I need one too!''

P.S I wouldn't dare play any Columbine trivia game with you, Jenn.

Well, I figured that since everything else they wore that day pretty much matched, including the flannel shirts they wore that morning and even their green boxer shorts, that I couldn't see one sporting his Hawaiian shirt while the other didn't.

I find the whole Hawaiian shirt thing humorous. I honestly cannot see Dylan riding around in a Hawaiian shirt, eating Burger King hours before the massacre. But who knows? Maybe he really did?! 

I think in some ways we all want the Hawaiian shirt sighting to be accurate  The thing is the person who claimed to have seen Dylan in his Hawaiian shirt worked at Blackjack Pizza with both Dylan and Eric. He seemed to be familiar with them both and recognized their cars. The witness was on foot when he says he saw Dylan "driving his B.M.W in a Hawaiian shirt" pg(10187) I'm not saying this is 100% accurate but it's such an odd thing to make up and Hawaiian shirts are pretty distinctive. I always find it so strange that Dylan had previously worn a Hawaiian shirt for Devon Adams "Lethal Luau" party so we know that he owned one  This is mentioned in Jeff Kass' book.

Somehow I just can't see Eric catching onto the idea of wearing a Hawaiian shirt. But it is a very odd coincidence that all their clothing matched on 4/20 aside from their t-shirts.

queenfarooq wrote:

But it is a very odd coincidence that all their clothing matched on 4/20 aside from their t-shirts.

You think it was just a coincidence? I was under the impression that it was planned in advance. Sort of like ''Ok, I bought a pack of those boxers, take this one'', ''Take the right glove, I'll take the left one.'' and so on and so forth.

JayJay wrote:

queenfarooq wrote:

But it is a very odd coincidence that all their clothing matched on 4/20 aside from their t-shirts.

You think it was just a coincidence? I was under the impression that it was planned in advance. Sort of like ''Ok, I bought a pack of those boxers, take this one'', ''Take the right glove, I'll take the left one.'' and so on and so forth.

I do believe the underwear was a coincidence yes.

queenfarooq wrote:

JayJay wrote:

queenfarooq wrote:

But it is a very odd coincidence that all their clothing matched on 4/20 aside from their t-shirts.

You think it was just a coincidence? I was under the impression that it was planned in advance. Sort of like ''Ok, I bought a pack of those boxers, take this one'', ''Take the right glove, I'll take the left one.'' and so on and so forth.

I do believe the underwear was a coincidence yes.

You do? I don't think it was a coincidence. I think they did that on purpose too. Everything else they wore matched too (aside from the Hawaiian shirt), even the flannel shirts they wore that morning. I guess it could have been a coincidence though.

I know Dylan wore a hat during the massacre though and Eric didn't. Did Brooks Brown say he saw Eric that morning wearing a hat? Did Eric just ditch the hat at the last minute?

Brooks said Eric wasn't wearing his hat and that was one of the first things that tipped him off something was wrong.

"That's when I noticed Eric wasn't wearing his hat. A pretty small detail, I suppose; he was wearing his usual attire of black pants and a white T-shirt, so everything else seemed normal. But Eric always wore his hat. Always." -- Brooks Brown, No Easy Answers, p.4.

I don't think their matching stuff was coincidental. These guys were joined at the hip in everything they did.

gustopoet wrote:

Brooks said Eric wasn't wearing his hat and that was one of the first things that tipped him off something was wrong.

"That's when I noticed Eric wasn't wearing his hat. A pretty small detail, I suppose; he was wearing his usual attire of black pants and a white T-shirt, so everything else seemed normal. But Eric always wore his hat. Always." -- Brooks Brown, No Easy Answers, p.4.

I don't think their matching stuff was coincidental. These guys were joined at the hip in everything they did.

I knew Brooks had something about Eric's hat, but I couldn't remember if it was he was or wasn't wearing it. Thanks for that. Unfortunately I haven't read his book yet. I want to one day though.

Jenn wrote:

queenfarooq wrote:

JayJay wrote:

queenfarooq wrote:

But it is a very odd coincidence that all their clothing matched on 4/20 aside from their t-shirts.

You think it was just a coincidence? I was under the impression that it was planned in advance. Sort of like ''Ok, I bought a pack of those boxers, take this one'', ''Take the right glove, I'll take the left one.'' and so on and so forth.

I do believe the underwear was a coincidence yes.

You do? I don't think it was a coincidence. I think they did that on purpose too. Everything else they wore matched too (aside from the Hawaiian shirt), even the flannel shirts they wore that morning. I guess it could have been a coincidence though.

Yeah I think the underwear was just a coincidence. Of course we don't really know for sure one way or the other if it was planned or not, but I just can't see them planning on wearing the same underwear. Obviously this is just my opinion, but I just don't think matching underwear is very "bad-ass" and i think the type of boxers they were said to be wearing would be quite a common style / pattern. Also the rest of their outfits weren't identical, their shirts were different and Eric didn't wear his hat.

Of course Eric could have worn his Hawaiian shirt in secret

queenfarooq wrote:

Jenn wrote:

queenfarooq wrote:

JayJay wrote:

queenfarooq wrote:

But it is a very odd coincidence that all their clothing matched on 4/20 aside from their t-shirts.

You think it was just a coincidence? I was under the impression that it was planned in advance. Sort of like ''Ok, I bought a pack of those boxers, take this one'', ''Take the right glove, I'll take the left one.'' and so on and so forth.

I do believe the underwear was a coincidence yes.

You do? I don't think it was a coincidence. I think they did that on purpose too. Everything else they wore matched too (aside from the Hawaiian shirt), even the flannel shirts they wore that morning. I guess it could have been a coincidence though.

Yeah I think the underwear was just a coincidence. Of course we don't really know for sure one way or the other if it was planned or not, but I just can't see them planning on wearing the same underwear. Obviously this is just my opinion, but I just don't think matching underwear is very "bad-ass" and i think the type of boxers they were said to be wearing would be quite a common style / pattern. Also the rest of their outfits weren't identical, their shirts were different and Eric didn't wear his hat.

Of course Eric could have worn his Hawaiian shirt in secret

I think they were sporting their Hawaiian shirts together during their "chill" time. Dylan must have left his on to go grab a bite real quick at Burger King, came back and got changed to get ready to head over to the school. I think that is most likely what happened and why no one saw Eric in his.

Jenn wrote:

Unfortunately I haven't read his book yet. I want to one day though.

Personally, I think it is an excellent book.

Coming from considerable personal experience, I know that Burger King changed their fries in 1998. The texture became corrugated and fake, prompting me to drop Burger King and go back to McDonald's. Those fake plastic-like fries cannot possibly have left potato skins in D's stomach at autopsy. This is just gastrono-thanalogical science. Someone mentioned Wendy's fries. Wendy's fries are good.

However, I'm willing to believe he went in the drive-in wearing an Hawaiian shirt. That I can deal with.

(This is all tongue-in-cheek as I don't see how discussing Hawaiian shirts and French fries make one's life significantly better. I didn't mean to elevate the Columbine discussion with this post AT ALL ;)  )

But seriously Hawaiian shirts / Wendy's and Burger King aside:)  I know it is a little off topic but they must have eaten that morning, or i'd say it's very likely they did. So they either could have gone out and purchased food or just ate at Eric's house.
I am somewhat skeptical of this but the Klebold's said that Dylan told them on the Monday night 4/19 that he Eric and some friends went to dinner at the Outback restaurant. Dylan had said this was Eric's favorite restaurant and that he had coupons.  The Klebold's said Dylan left between 6 and 7 that evening then returned sometime later, he indicated he had eaten steak for dinner. pg(10514 - 5) I would imagine the steak likely came with something "potatoey." I have never come across any friends interviews who say they also went to Outback, only those who deny any knowledge of these dinner plans.

Did their bowels release when they died? It must have stunk to the highest heaven in that library.

After reading the "War is War" fanfic ( a great amusement and laugh inducer if there ever was one) I can guess what the "chill" time was allotted for! Jk!

Moseley wrote:

Did their bowels release when they died? It must have stunk to the highest heaven in that library.

No, that only happened to one person, not all of them and not Dylan and Eric.

On the important topic of the underwear (!), I seem to remember the autopsies listing one as blue and the other boxer as green though I don't remember which boy wore what and I'm too lazy to go look. However, after thinking it was originally a coincidence, I tend to agree with gustopoet that it was not mere coincidence. Eric and Dylan probably (despite the height diference) had a similar waist size for boxers (medium, probably) and a two or three pack of boxers would have a couple different plaid colors, green and blue are the more common types. I would agree that like the single pair of gloves they shared, that the boxers were probably also noncoincidental. Hopefully though, this will not add any fuel to the "E/D were lovers" fire.
Unfortunately, I don't know of any Hawaiian shirts being sold in two-packs. ;)

Remembering men's underwear choices in the late 90's I feel the underwear was an accident. There were not all that many choices and plaid was in fashion (thanks Nirvana!). I bet both boys owned multiple sets of plaid boxers and maybe even owned only those? It was either those, plain or those awful satin ones with daffy duck on them... ugh.
I have often wondered about the big propane bombs being carried into the commons. The duffle bags looked heavy and seemed to bounce against things when they bought them in to the commons. I also suspect that when the commons was full people banged/bumped into them or tripped over them (thinking they were bags of athletic equipment or something?) - maybe some of the wiring came loose? Or they were damaged in some way which stopped them going off, maybe?
I also agree that they had to buy them on the morning of, there was nowhere left to hide things and they would be dangerous to be caught with.
The broken glass may have been a Molotov which broke and may explain why the Harrises home stunk of petrol when investigators arrived?
My other thought was about Brooks and the "I like you now, go home" thing... I am beginning to doubt this happened at all. I think Brooks was way nosier than that and would have wanted to know what was going on if he ran into Eric, if he was sus on him skipping classes and the "it doesn't matter now" and other statements make me think he would have started asking uncomfortable questions instead of just leaving...
I am super curious about the cops total lack of wanting to know what the boys were up to in the days and weeks coming up to 4/20.

A plaid shirt was found in Dylans car, but was a Hawaiian shirt found?

I take things that Brooks said with a huge grain of salt. I bet Eric had more important things to do (well I mean to him...) and Brooks was probably pestering him, because Eric was always so focused, never missing tests and they were friends again so he was like "Eric you're going to fail" and Eric needed him to stop talking to him so he could go about his business.

Screamingophelia wrote:

A plaid shirt was found in Dylans car, but was a Hawaiian shirt found?

I take things that Brooks said with a huge grain of salt. I bet Eric had more important things to do (well I mean to him...) and Brooks was probably pestering him, because Eric was always so focused, never missing tests and they were friends again so he was like "Eric you're going to fail" and Eric needed him to stop talking to him so he could go about his business.

Not that I am aware of. I take the hawaiian shirt claim with a grain of salt but you never know!

Cemetery Jones wrote:

I have often wondered about the big propane bombs being carried into the commons. The duffle bags looked heavy and seemed to bounce against things when they bought them in to the commons. I also suspect that when the commons was full people banged/bumped into them or tripped over them (thinking they were bags of athletic equipment or something?) - maybe some of the wiring came loose? Or they were damaged in some way which stopped them going off, maybe?

That is a very real possibility, although we all know that Eric had used methods of bomb making from a book filled with shitty instructions as well.

They also never tested them, likely because they thought it was to risky. In my opinion the propane bombs were very hastily thrown together and Eric just assumed they would work.

NOTE: Eric/Dylan were influenced by their friends/co-workers about making their bombs/explosives.

I bump, therefore I am.

The notes about "only 6 minutes to Clement Park" should realize that by "11:09" Dylan obviously meant "before 11:10" (4th period, I think), not "exactly at 11:09 not before". The same for "11:18" for when to set the bombs meaning "after 11:17".