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Brandon Scott Hole (according to this Reddit post): Columbine shooters, Anders Breivik, Adam Lanza, and Randy Stair
I believe you meant this post. I don’t know… seems like a generic story. I would like to see some more info being released about this shooting.
Anyway, just in case… these are the pictures from Hole (supposedly):
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Brandon Scott Hole (according to this Reddit post): Columbine shooters, Anders Breivik, Adam Lanza, and Randy Stair
I believe you meant this post. I don’t know… seems like a generic story. I would like to see some more info being released about this shooting.
Anyway, just in case… these are the pictures from Hole (supposedly):
Spoiler:
 
He looks a bit similar to Brandon Hole, but there is a chance that the guy who posted his story about him made it up for attention. I think it’s likely he’s telling the truth, since some of the stuff on there was a bit unique and don’t know if the photos would have been shared just for a fake story. I’d be happy if it was true, but we might not know for a while.

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Karl Halverson Pierson was unsurprisingly inspired by Columbine. He had the book Columbine: A True Crime Story, and wrote "I am filled with hate, I love it" in his diary.
He also researched it on his computer, along with Sandy Hook, so that can also be listed as an influence.
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If I recall correctly, Anton Niclas Lundin Pettersson was influenced by Anders Behring Breivik.

Trey Sesler mentioned:
Kip Kinkel (“He should have waited about 3 years until he could rationalize better and get better weapons.”)
Seung-Hui Cho (“Cho was very lonely like me and I think he was really depressed again like me….”)
Columbine (he knew "every detail" and recited it to police for five minutes during his interrogation before police stopped him. He watched a documentary about it 50 times.)
Ted Bundy
David Berkowitz
Son of Sam
and seemingly many more. He even five them each a score using a rating scale (from Kip's 3.5 to Cho's 7.) His obsessive interest, research, and cataloguing reminds me of Lanza, even though Trey's attack occured around nine months beforehand.

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Jeffrey Lyne Cox (1988, San Gabriel High School) was influenced by the Kuwait Airways Flight 422 hijacking several weeks beforehand (and the fictional novel Rage by Steven King.)
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Trey Sesler mentioned:
Kip Kinkel (“He should have waited about 3 years until he could rationalize better and get better weapons.”)

I wonder if he had Kip Kinkel in mind when he planned killing his family. As Kip, he killed her mother on the garage. He also made a video called “Ambushed!” on his garage (almost a year before the killings), where he shoots and kills a few enemies of Mr. Anime.
One of his plans for the high school attack included crashing his car on the cafeteria, which makes me wonder if he took some inspiration from George Hennard’s shooting for that.
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I wonder if he had Kip Kinkel in mind when he planned killing his family. As Kip, he killed her mother on the garage.
I was just about to mention that. I definitely think that despite the abysmal score Trey assigned him, Kip was on his mind. He even mentions him by name in his former plan for crashing his car into the cafeteria. Odd that he was so interested in a case that most people have long forgotten, but if he was considering familicide before, I would understand why Kinkel registered so strongly.

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He even mentions him by name in his former plan for crashing his car into the cafeteria.
You’re right. I forgot about that.
Months ago, when I was researching Kinkel, I clearly remember thinking that there were many similarities with Kinkel and Sesler cases (I even thought of making a thread about it on here).
But by now I don’t remember many specific details about Kip, lol.
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Months ago, when I was researching Kinkel, I clearly remember thinking that there were many similarities with Kinkel and Sesler cases (I even thought of making a thread about it on here).
I know a lot of these apply to a good portion of mass shooters, but I can think of:
- Remarkable obsession with guns
- Considered underachieving with a more successful sibling
- Fantasized about mass murder for long beforehand, actual plan was impulsive
- Drug usage, likely emphasising preexisting psychosis (both were depressed)
- Referenced previous mass shooters and wanted to improve their plans (Kip didn't understand why the Westside shooters didn't kill themselves)
- Killed mother in garage
- Expressed remorse and love for family
- Been in therapy and trouble with the law
- Violence to animals (not 100% certain on this one for Kip)
- Neither plan went successfully, both survived

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Michael Carneal was interested in Ted Kaczynski and had his works on his hard drive.

Andrew Wurst was interested in Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden and said he wanted to "do something like that someday."

Kip Kinkel talked about the former shootings, their shortcomings, and how he would improve them. He was interested, according to "The Killer At Thurston High," in Luke Woodham, Michael Carneal, Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden, and Andrew Wurst.

I really want to make a complete chart of all of these, but I would absolutely be in over my head. If anyone knows any good tools to make such a diagram, let me know and I might try.
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Trey Sesler mentioned:
Kip Kinkel (“He should have waited about 3 years until he could rationalize better and get better weapons.”)

I wonder if he had Kip Kinkel in mind when he planned killing his family. As Kip, he killed her mother on the garage. He also made a video called “Ambushed!” on his garage (almost a year before the killings), where he shoots and kills a few enemies of Mr. Anime.
One of his plans for the high school attack included crashing his car on the cafeteria, which makes me wonder if he took some inspiration from George Hennard’s shooting for that.
Him and Kip seemed to have similar motives for killing their families, as they both said that they only killed their families so that they wouldn't have to face the guilt of their child committing a school shooting.

Also, Elliot Rodger looked up George Sordini in the weeks before the Isla Vista Shootings.

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If I recall correctly, Anton Niclas Lundin Pettersson was influenced by Anders Behring Breivik.

Trey Sesler mentioned:
Kip Kinkel (“He should have waited about 3 years until he could rationalize better and get better weapons.”)
Seung-Hui Cho (“Cho was very lonely like me and I think he was really depressed again like me….”)
Columbine (he knew "every detail" and recited it to police for five minutes during his interrogation before police stopped him. He watched a documentary about it 50 times.)
Ted Bundy
David Berkowitz
Son of Sam
and seemingly many more. He even five them each a score using a rating scale (from Kip's 3.5 to Cho's 7.) His obsessive interest, research, and cataloguing reminds me of Lanza, even though Trey's attack occured around nine months beforehand.
Did he say all of that in the interrogation or is his “score sheet” available online? I doubt the last one.

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It is not, I'm afraid. That list is compiled from here:
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I admit, his interest is pretty all over the place. Chances are he wrote about many more, but that's all that was mentioned.
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Aaron Ybarra was influenced by Columbine and Cho (he thought he could hear their voices guiding him and made a pilgrimage to Columbine, just like Alvaro Castillo.)
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Brandon Scott Hole (according to this Reddit post): Columbine shooters, Anders Breivik, Adam Lanza, and Randy Stair
I believe you meant this post. I don’t know… seems like a generic story. I would like to see some more info being released about this shooting.
Anyway, just in case… these are the pictures from Hole (supposedly):
Spoiler:
 

I honestly don’t see the resemblance between this guy and Brandon Scott Hole. :/

Does anyone have a link to the source of these pictures or the reddit. thread?

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Here, here, and here.
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Brandon Scott Hole (according to this Reddit post): Columbine shooters, Anders Breivik, Adam Lanza, and Randy Stair
I believe you meant this post. I don’t know… seems like a generic story. I would like to see some more info being released about this shooting.
Anyway, just in case… these are the pictures from Hole (supposedly):
Spoiler:
 

I honestly don’t see the resemblance between this guy and Brandon Scott Hole. :/

Does anyone have a link to the source of these pictures or the reddit. thread?
I think their faces look very similar (minus the acne on his driver's license, but that photo is high quality, unlike those other two). Two very different kinds of photos and angles. I wonder if the guy who posted the photos had any better ones.
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Ed Lutes(killer cop):John E. Mabie

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Not only were Devon Erickson and Alec Mckinney influenced by Columbine, they browsed Sol Pais's website and related to her "loneliness and detachment from reality."
A semi-copycat of a semi-copycat. It's not quite Lanza or Atchinson levels of meta, but it's something.

I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but Gregory Bush yelled "Dylann Roof" upon arrest (similar to Alvaro's cry of "Remember Columbine!")

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Myron May listed Aaron Alexis (2013 Washington Navy Yard shooting) and Jiverly Wong (2009 American Civic Association shooting) as other targeted individuals like himself. I'm unsure if this counts as inspiration, as he also listed various celebrities / authors / actors as targeted individuals, but seeing other TIs go on rampages could've allowed him to justify his own spree.

Eric Hainstock (2006 Weston High School shooting) made references to Columbine.
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Ian David Long (2018 Thousand Oaks shooting) researched "a concert bombing in London" (the 2017 Manchester Arena bombing) and a "mass shooting at a school in Texas" (the 2018 Santa Fe High School shooting.)
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I know "aware of" doesn't mean "influenced by," but it's worth noting that Elliot Rodger researched the Xingjian railway station attack and Guangzhou train station knife attack. Considering the rarity and comparative obscurity of stabbing in the US as opposed to shootings, I wouldn't be suprised if Elliot's interest in these cases contributed to him including stabbing into his spree.
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Jarrod Ramos:
Nikolas Cruz
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Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel (2016 Nice truck attack) was at least aware of the 2015 Charlie Hebdo shooting. He also was aware of a local intentional car accident at the terrace of a restaurant that I'm having difficulty finding more specific information on.
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Not only were Devon Erickson and Alec Mckinney influenced by Columbine, they browsed Sol Pais's website and related to her "loneliness and detachment from reality."
A semi-copycat of a semi-copycat. It's not quite Lanza or Atchinson levels of meta, but it's something.
That website always creeps me out. It's interesting that they relate to it, although I thought Alec would more than Devon, as he was bullied and so probably would have felt more lonely because of that.

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Guilherme taucci:
Mcveigh (wrote about him several times on Twitter of him venerating his actions against the government)
Anders breivik (he had him in profile photos and usually watched videos or edits about him, in one of them he commented "King of mass murderers")
And it seems that also the Kerch shooting (He comment on several yotube videos about Kerch)
Columbine (He mentioned that he wanted to do a Columbine-like massacre several times)
Elliot rodger: (In a video he commented that he admired him)

Sebastián bosse:
Columbine, wrote in his diary "ERIC HARRIS IS GOD"

Aaron Ybarra describe Eric Harris as a "Master of al Shotters"

Randy stair - notoriously influenced by columbine and Eric Harris.  In one of the last videos he mentioned that he and Eric were "connected on many levels"
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Not only were Devon Erickson and Alec Mckinney influenced by Columbine, they browsed Sol Pais's website and related to her "loneliness and detachment from reality."
A semi-copycat of a semi-copycat. It's not quite Lanza or Atchinson levels of meta, but it's something.
I find that interesting and never heard of that. Thanks for that. They were both definitely interested in Columbine to an extent and the Sol Pais incident happened less than a month before their shooting, so I’m not surprised they saw it.

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Not only were Devon Erickson and Alec Mckinney influenced by Columbine, they browsed Sol Pais's website and related to her "loneliness and detachment from reality."
A semi-copycat of a semi-copycat. It's not quite Lanza or Atchinson levels of meta, but it's something.

I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but Gregory Bush yelled "Dylann Roof" upon arrest (similar to Alvaro's cry of "Remember Columbine!")

Sorry for the question, but where could I read the Sol Pais website?
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Sorry for the question, but where could I read the Sol Pais website?
No need to apologize, it's available here.

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Sorry for the question, but where could I read the Sol Pais website?
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