What's something about a mass shooter only you (or very few people) know?

It can also be about the mass shooting.

These are mine:

- Adam Lanza once asked a classmate for a cigarette in university

- Robert Hawkins didn't just break up with his girlfriend like every single media outlet told you. He in fact cheated on her with a co-worker at McDonald's and SHE broke up with HIM. Also he committed suicide up the chin according to his autopsy and not through the head like Wikipedia told you.

- Jamal Albarghouti's cellphone that recorded the shooting at Virginia Tech is now at the Newseum at DC.

- Eric Harris admitted he's not a sociopath because he says he feels remorse. (in an unreleased tape)

- Devin Patrick Kelley's sexual assaults dated back to when he was 13.

- There is no evidence of Omar Mateen being bipolar. His ex-wife saying he was bipolar is not necessarily a diagnosis.

- Stephen Paddock moaned and screamed "Oh my god!" in his sleep.

One of Dylan Klebolds nicknames was Quackers. Not many people know that.

It's a hard question because this is a research board so a lot of brilliant people reside here...

I mean if you were going to say what do I know that my mom doesn't... well...

eyutytuheu wrote:

- Adam Lanza once asked a classmate for a cigarette in high school

Source?

Eric didn't care that much about his height, it was his weight that he didn't like.

I learned a bunch of small things about James Holmes when watching his parents testify at his trial (on youtube)

I know a great deal more than the general population I'll say that right now; there are a lot of people out there who don't keep track of mass murder like we do, so more often then not if I bring up an example of a shooting I get people asking me "what are you talking about?" (on a side note this easily debunks the "mass murderers want infamy" theory because in reality the vast majority of people don't know who the fuck most of these people are and even famous cases are often not widely understood or heard of).

My rant aside, a couple of little known facts I know is that Nikolas Cruz was often dared to act bizarrely by fellow classmates, to which he would do often. I also know William Atchison threatened (or at least discussed the thought of) shooting up a school as early as 2012, was friends with another person who committed a mass shooting, and liked to read sci-fi books ( ).

sscc wrote:

eyutytuheu wrote:

- Adam Lanza once asked a classmate for a cigarette in high school

Source?

Although I accidentally put high school instead of university:

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"JC: Did you personally interact with him at any time?

BA: He asked me for a cigarette after the first or second time we had class."

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Dingus wrote:

Seung-Hui Cho hired a prostitute and she rejected him.

Well first she was an escort, not a prostitute. Also it went more along the lines of her finding out he didn't seem interested. But he insisted she kept dancing for the full hour he payed for.

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eyutytuheu wrote:

- Robert Hawkins didn't just break up with his girlfriend like every single media outlet told you. He in fact cheated on her with a co-worker at McDonald's and SHE broke up with HIM.

- Devin Patrick Kelley's sexual assaults dated back to when he was 13.

What shitty people, even if we ignore their mass shootings.

Dingus wrote:

Escorts typically accompany clients to venues. This woman met him at a motel. Prostitute is an overarching term for anyone who has sex for money, but disregarding definitional discrepancies,

Let's just say it how the media worded it. It's not like you were there with them.

Derrick Bird's nickname was Birdy.

Michael Ryan told people (even his own mother) that his was getting married and had a friend who was a Colonel.

Elliot Rodger watched Anime.

Randy Stair was originally going to commit suicide in 2015.

Martin Byrant had a girlfriend.

Thomas Hamilton has several rifles at his home.

Richard Durn was called "Mr Bean" by students when he was a Middle School teacher.

Charles Whitman bought the M1 Carbine and a Shotgun on the same day of his shooting after murdering his wife and mother.

eyutytuheu wrote:

Although I accidentally put high school instead of university:

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"JC: Did you personally interact with him at any time?

BA: He asked me for a cigarette after the first or second time we had class."

I thought that's what you were referring to but I didn't want to assume since you mentioned high school rather than college. I don't put much faith in anything written in that article. His recollection does not align with any other recollections from classmates or professors from that time period.
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More specifically, the cigarette part is very hard to believe for a few different reasons. Adam couldn't even stand the smell of food being cooked so I have doubts that he'd go anywhere near a smoker, much less ask for one himself. He also had various fears of contamination by germs and other materials, so it's hard to believe that he would voluntarily "poison" himself with a cigarette. In addition to that, his online friend said that Adam "never smoked, consumed alcohol, or did drugs" and someone else who knew him said that he never used alcohol or drugs and "hated the thought of it."

While I would believe that most teenagers might smoke a single cigarette as a form of experimentation or rebellion, I don't think that Adam would ever have done that.

(I would also find it difficult to believe that Adam would approach a classmate of his own volition for any reason but I would say that this aspect of the alleged recollection is more debatable because he did interact with classmates at times.)

Dingus wrote:

George Hennard took a girlfriend to the McDonald's where James Huberty committed his shooting. 

Was this before or after Huberty's killings?

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QuestionMark wrote:

Dingus wrote:

George Hennard took a girlfriend to the McDonald's where James Huberty committed his shooting. 

Was this before or after Huberty's killings?

After.

I thought the McDonald's was demolished after the shooting?

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Dingus wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Dingus wrote:

George Hennard took a girlfriend to the McDonald's where James Huberty committed his shooting. 

Was this before or after Huberty's killings?

After.

Probably wasn't a mere coincidence then.

QuestionMark wrote:

Dingus wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Dingus wrote:

George Hennard took a girlfriend to the McDonald's where James Huberty committed his shooting. 

Was this before or after Huberty's killings?

After.

Probably wasn't a mere coincidence then.

Do you think Hennard was inspired by Huberty?

QuestionMark wrote:

My rant aside, a couple of little known facts I know is that Nikolas Cruz was often dared to act bizarrely by fellow classmates, to which he would do often.

How dahmer of him

Anders Breivik planned his attack for 8 years.

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Dingus wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Dingus wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Dingus wrote:

George Hennard took a girlfriend to the McDonald's where James Huberty committed his shooting. 

Was this before or after Huberty's killings?

After.

Probably wasn't a mere coincidence then.

No, I'd assume it were intentional, especially since Hennard was reportedly obsessed with Huberty. 

Ah, how mass murder feeds in on itself.

Dingus wrote:

George Hennard took a girlfriend to the McDonald's where James Huberty committed his shooting.

Wow, A mass shooter vising a place where another mass shooting would soon take place. Did Hennard hear about the mcdonalds massacre?

sscc wrote:

He also had various fears of contamination by germs and other materials, so it's hard to believe that he would voluntarily "poison" himself with a cigarette.

Yet, if it is true, Adam Lanza burned himself, which is weird because burns have great risks of infections.

I don't believe that he asked for a cigarette. But maybe he did and we are focusing too much on it because it was already something unusual at the time and it happened only once. For example, maybe the day before his mother said he should try to talk a little more to his classmates, and so the day after he did that to try to talk to people, but felt awkward so he never tried to do that again.

I don't believe he did that, but what I mean is that sometimes people do things that are not their kind for many reasons and so we shouldn't focus too much on them, but just because it is not their kind doesn't mean that it is necessary wrong.

TheOne99 wrote:

Dingus wrote:

George Hennard took a girlfriend to the McDonald's where James Huberty committed his shooting.

Wow, A mass shooter vising a place where another mass shooting would soon take place. Did Hennard hear about the mcdonalds massacre?  

Yeah, he did. Read the comments above, they give many information about it.

Neah wrote:

sscc wrote:

He also had various fears of contamination by germs and other materials, so it's hard to believe that he would voluntarily "poison" himself with a cigarette.

Yet, if it is true, Adam Lanza burned himself, which is weird because burns have great risks of infections.

I don't believe that he asked for a cigarette. But maybe he did and we are focusing too much on it because it was already something unusual at the time and it happened only once. For example, maybe the day before his mother said he should try to talk a little more to his classmates, and so the day after he did that to try to talk to people, but felt awkward so he never tried to do that again.

I don't believe he did that, but what I mean is that sometimes people do things that are not their kind for many reasons and so we shouldn't focus too much on them, but just because it is not their kind doesn't mean that it is necessary wrong.

I would agree that people can do things that are out of character but in this case, nothing else in the article sounds like Adam either. The interviewee was talking about recurring, disturbing outbursts where Adam would do a German salute and say "Du Hast." No one else, anywhere, described behavior even remotely like this, including another student and several professors from other classes, along with the professor for this class, who didn't remember him at all because he made no impression. She specifically said that she had no recollection of him at all and that he must have come and gone with no interaction or she would have remembered him.

The details of the article also seem fuzzy to me. He says that the outbursts were at the beginning of class, then that they were before and after class and then said that Adam made it hard to concentrate so he dropped the class because of him, which would make no sense unless they were during class, which would likely mean that the professor would remember him (and realistically, ask him to stop, not let it continue unchallenged). Then when they try to pin him down on the incident that made him drop the class, he goes on about unrelated personal things and says that Adam's outbursts were only part of it. He also insinuates that Adam may have done drugs and says other broad, make-believe generalizations that have nothing to do with him. It just seems highly suspect in general so if he's saying multiple things that don't line up with what everyone else says, I have no reason to believe his story just because a media outlet picked it up.

The burning assertion is also unproven. Burns leave scars. I could see it being true but the official reports made no mention of any kind of scars on his body, as far as I know. I think it would be relevant to his mental health and the analysis of his mental health history was fairly thorough. I tend to believe that this was not actually true but that is just an opinion.

Whether or not Adam smoked one cigarette in his life is ultimately unimportant but there are other assertions in the article that could change the view of his mental status. I put this article slightly above the level of potential veracity of the ones saying that he worshiped Satan and Taylor Swift but I don't believe this one either.

Dylann Roof has an IQ of 125 which places him in the 95th percentile.

The Baptist church in Texas which Larry Ashbrook attacked in 1999 was located on Whitman Avenue. The attack occurred the day the observation deck of the "Texas Tower" Charles Whitman fired from in 1966, reopened to the public.

Silent Professor wrote:

Dylann Roof has an IQ of 125 which places him in the 95th percentile.

Which goes to show that intelligence is not that useful!

William Atchison had GTA 5 on steam but never played it.

Tommy QTR wrote:

William Atchison had GTA 5 on steam but never played it.

What a waste of sixty dollars.

QuestionMark wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

William Atchison had GTA 5 on steam but never played it.

What a waste of sixty dollars.

According to his blog, a friend gifted it him on Steam.

TheOne99 wrote:

Dingus wrote:

George Hennard took a girlfriend to the McDonald's where James Huberty committed his shooting.

Wow, A mass shooter vising a place where another mass shooting would soon take place. Did Hennard hear about the mcdonalds massacre?  

Yeah, Hennard was interested in James Huberty and the Pan Am bombing. I believe the source for the above tidbit is on page 99 of "Delivered from Evil: True Stories of Ordinary People Who Faced Monstrous Mass Killers and Survived", which can be found here:
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Tommy QTR wrote:

William Atchison had GTA 5 on steam but never played it.

He did play it, I saw GTA 5 on his Lance Stone channel, or maybe it was the console version

TheOne99 wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

William Atchison had GTA 5 on steam but never played it.

He did play it, I saw GTA 5 on his Lance Stone channel, or maybe it was the console version

According to his blog he didn't.

Tommy QTR wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

William Atchison had GTA 5 on steam but never played it.

What a waste of sixty dollars.

According to his blog, a friend gifted it him on Steam.

Welp then his friend wasted sixty dollars.

I mean he's sure as shit not gonna get the game back from a corpse.

QuestionMark wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

William Atchison had GTA 5 on steam but never played it.

What a waste of sixty dollars.

According to his blog, a friend gifted it him on Steam.

Welp then his friend wasted sixty dollars.

I mean he's sure as shit not gonna get the game back from a corpse.

Maybe his Friend was David Sonbloy?

Tommy QTR wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

William Atchison had GTA 5 on steam but never played it.

What a waste of sixty dollars.

According to his blog, a friend gifted it him on Steam.

Welp then his friend wasted sixty dollars.

I mean he's sure as shit not gonna get the game back from a corpse.

Maybe his Friend was David Sonbloy?

Either way someone's lost sixty bucks.

sscc wrote:

The burning assertion is also unproven. Burns leave scars. I could see it being true but the official reports made no mention of any kind of scars on his body, as far as I know. I think it would be relevant to his mental health and the analysis of his mental health history was fairly thorough. I tend to believe that this was not actually true but that is just an opinion.

I don't know if all burns leave scars, maybe he did only small and not very serious burns. I accidentally burned myself pretty badly two weeks ago, so I'll see if I get scars. But it said he was burning himself with a lighter. I read that many people don't put the flame directly on their body, they light the lighter and it is only when it is off but the metal is still hot that they touch their skin with it. I don't think doing so necessarily leaves scars, depending on the time you let the lighter on your skin and its temperature it may be more like when you touch a burning thing and you get a blister.

But what makes me doubt that Adam Lanza burned himself is not really the scars thing. It is that people who do that usually hide, but if the information is true, Nancy told a friend that Adam was burning himself. So she was aware of it. If he really burned himself, he had to take care of his burns because they can become very easily infected. Since he didn't really leave the house, I don't know if he could have bought blisters, creams or antiseptic solution secretly (they probably had that in their house, but I guess they would run out of it too quickly for it not to be suspicious if he actually burned himself). So if Adam really did that, I wonder if Nancy knew because he was trying to hide it but she still discovered it, or if it is because he was so much in his own world and didn't care about others that he didn't even hide.

It is very disappointing that the only person who knew him died, because we will never be able to really understand him. He smashed his hard drive but killed the more important and exhaustive hard drive about him: his mother. I usually don't trust what people who knew the shooters or so-called "friends" say.

Pekka Eric Auvinen may be well known for his "Humanity Is Overrated" Shirt but did you know, police also found another custom made shirt that said "Natural Selector" in his home? yea crazy, but no photos of it exist i think

The Virginia Tech shooter's alias, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], was likely based on one of his own fictional characters, Ax Manson.

Very few news reports mention the alias, and none that I know of mention the Ax Manson character.

Steven Kazmierczak listened to Marilyn Manson's The Last Day on Earth in his car before committing his shooting.

SavageGlocker wrote:

Steven Kazmierczak listened to Marilyn Manson's The Last Day on Earth in his car before committing his shooting.

Knew that

Kimveer Gill enjoyed Jarhead, Kimveer watched a conspiracy theory documentary on the internet with a friend, when Kimveer Gill and a friend took images of holding firearms, Kimveer told the mother the image taking session was for a screenplay kimveer was working on, Stephen Paddock was in a documentary movie, Chris Harper-Mercer urinated in a bucket, Chris Harper-Mercer's room contained a composition book, Chris Harper-Mercer sold video games for weapons, and George Hennard enjoyed the songs Steely Day - Don't Take Me Alive and Too $hort - Ain't Nothin' But A Word to Me.

Halcyon666 wrote:

Kimveer Gill enjoyed Jarhead, Kimveer watched a conspiracy theory documentary on the internet with a friend, when Kimveer Gill and a friend took images of holding firearms, Kimveer told the mother the image taking session was for a screenplay kimveer was working on, Stephen Paddock was in a documentary movie, Chris Harper-Mercer urinated in a bucket, Chris Harper-Mercer's room contained a composition book, Chris Harper-Mercer sold video games for weapons, and George Hennard enjoyed the songs Steely Day - Don't Take Me Alive and Too $hort - Ain't Nothin' But A Word to Me.  

What documentary was Paddock in?

SavageGlocker wrote:

Halcyon666 wrote:

Kimveer Gill enjoyed Jarhead, Kimveer watched a conspiracy theory documentary on the internet with a friend, when Kimveer Gill and a friend took images of holding firearms, Kimveer told the mother the image taking session was for a screenplay kimveer was working on, Stephen Paddock was in a documentary movie, Chris Harper-Mercer urinated in a bucket, Chris Harper-Mercer's room contained a composition book, Chris Harper-Mercer sold video games for weapons, and George Hennard enjoyed the songs Steely Day - Don't Take Me Alive and Too $hort - Ain't Nothin' But A Word to Me.  

What documentary was Paddock in?

I don't remember, when I was viewing coverage of the shooting, Stephen Paddock in a documentary movie was shown, I wished I bookmarked the page because I don't remember where I found it.

SavageGlocker wrote:

Halcyon666 wrote:

Kimveer Gill enjoyed Jarhead, Kimveer watched a conspiracy theory documentary on the internet with a friend, when Kimveer Gill and a friend took images of holding firearms, Kimveer told the mother the image taking session was for a screenplay kimveer was working on, Stephen Paddock was in a documentary movie, Chris Harper-Mercer urinated in a bucket, Chris Harper-Mercer's room contained a composition book, Chris Harper-Mercer sold video games for weapons, and George Hennard enjoyed the songs Steely Day - Don't Take Me Alive and Too $hort - Ain't Nothin' But A Word to Me.  

What documentary was Paddock in?

I'm pretty sure there was a documentary a few months back going over the ways the LVPD was mishandling the case.

NSFW:

Kimveer shopped at Best Buy, Chris Harper-Mercer had a composition book and planner and there's no mention of what's inside of them and Kimveer dreamed of others being hung and shot in the head.

Halcyon666 wrote:

NSFW:

dont doubt it