The small questions thread

fly-with-me wrote:

I heard Eric broke his nose, but I didn't conceive of the idea that his mouth was filled with blood. I guess somewhere I hoped their last taste would be something more pleasant... like Dr Pepper.

Eric did not like dr pepper

munchkinphone wrote:

fly-with-me wrote:

I heard Eric broke his nose, but I didn't conceive of the idea that his mouth was filled with blood. I guess somewhere I hoped their last taste would be something more pleasant... like Dr Pepper.

Eric did not like dr pepper

I had Dylan in mind, but I don't know what soda Eric prefered.

munchkinphone wrote:

fly-with-me wrote:

I heard Eric broke his nose, but I didn't conceive of the idea that his mouth was filled with blood. I guess somewhere I hoped their last taste would be something more pleasant... like Dr Pepper.

Eric did not like dr pepper

He said something about pop in his questionaire and I embarrassingly don't know if he meant he threw them back like he drank them both or he threw them out...

I should know the slang, I was the same age as them in 1999. tres uncool.

I thought he said toss them both, I'll check

Yes it was root beer and dr pepper and he said toss em both. However I dont want to encourage any further speculations about what his mouth tasted like

Has anyone in the Harris family seen The Basement Tapes? I've never seen any proof that they viewed them.

If they didn't, I can only imagine what that would do to their perception. Especially after hearing about how much they shook Sue.

munchkinphone wrote:

I thought he said toss them both, I'll check

Yes it was root beer and dr pepper and he said toss em both. However I dont want to encourage any further speculations about what his mouth tasted like  

Wise!!

Littlelo wrote:

Has anyone in the Harris family seen The Basement Tapes? I've never seen any proof that they viewed them.

If they didn't, I can only imagine what that would do to their perception. Especially after hearing about how much they shook Sue.  

That I'm not sure of. I imagine Kathy would have been inconsolable. I wonder though if the Harris's saw Eric crying in his car and Dylan being so monstrous if that would have effected them?
Did all the victims families see them?

Who saw Eric and Dylan inside the cafeteria/library that day through the windows? I'm pretty sure I read that Robin did with some other people.

What did Nate see through the binoculars? They saw Patrick Ireland fall out right? Does anyone know when they started watching?

Screamingophelia wrote:

munchkinphone wrote:

I thought he said toss them both, I'll check

Yes it was root beer and dr pepper and he said toss em both. However I dont want to encourage any further speculations about what his mouth tasted like  

Wise!!

Agreed! As I'm sure our answers were not well received.

Do you think Eric was even slightly worried about Dylan attending prom without him and coming to some last-minute realization of doubting their plans for NBK?

He was with friends, having a good time, talking about post-high school plans.

I know that WE know Dylan was all-in. But could Eric have been even a tiny bit worried?

Littlelo wrote:

Do you think Eric was even slightly worried about Dylan attending prom without him and coming to some last-minute realization of doubting their plans for NBK?

He was with friends, having a good time, talking about post-high school plans.

I know that WE know Dylan was all-in. But could Eric have been even a tiny bit worried?

He might have been, Eric did try to get a date for prom so he may have been at least secretly bummed about not going. Maybe that was part of his whole "I hate you people for leaving me out of fun things" was about?

Up until the day of either of them could have backed out.

The whole "are you still with me" line will always cause speculation:(

Screamingophelia wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

Do you think Eric was even slightly worried about Dylan attending prom without him and coming to some last-minute realization of doubting their plans for NBK?

He was with friends, having a good time, talking about post-high school plans.

I know that WE know Dylan was all-in. But could Eric have been even a tiny bit worried?

He might have been, Eric did try to get a date for prom so he may have been at least secretly bummed about not going. Maybe that was part of  his whole "I hate you people for leaving me out of fun things" was about?

Up until the day of either of them could have backed out.

The whole "are you still with me" line will always cause speculation:(

I always wondered what he had in mind when he said people left him out, it definitely seemed like he had something specific on his mind when he wrote that. Although I think it was written before prom, so who knows if he knew whether or not he was going at that point..it's a good theory though.

That "are you with me" question gives me chills to think about...

Littlelo wrote:

Do you think Eric was even slightly worried about Dylan attending prom without him and coming to some last-minute realization of doubting their plans for NBK?

He was with friends, having a good time, talking about post-high school plans.

I know that WE know Dylan was all-in. But could Eric have been even a tiny bit worried?

We know they both were all in. But I think its silly to think they didn't have second thoughts at some point. Most likely they both probably did have a moment where they questioned what they were going to do.

I also think it probably crossed their minds wondering if the other would back out.

Screamingophelia wrote:

The whole "are you still with me" line will always cause speculation:(

Agreed. As will who actually said it.

Regarding "I hate you people for leaving me out of fun things".

I think I have read about someone who went to columbine that speculated that Eric might have referred to a party at Robyns house where he was not invited. Maybe even Dylan was and he was not. Not sure.. but it seemed to be quite a big party.

munchkinphone wrote:

Regarding "I hate you people for leaving me out of fun things".

I think I have read about someone who went to columbine that speculated that Eric might have referred to a party at Robyns house where he was not invited. Maybe even Dylan was and he was not. Not sure.. but it seemed to be quite a big party.

I heard that too. Then I read that Robyn had a party when Dylan was in Arizona and invited Eric.

Bad me thinks Robyn wouldn't invite Eric and just Dylan because she was scheming to get some alone time with him...but she could do that anytime.

I seriously cant find where I read that. It must have been pure speculations cause from what I can see Eric went to parties all the time (compared to me)

Kristi and Alyssa even went to his house just to take him out. Ungrateful little bastard

munchkinphone wrote:

I seriously cant find where I read that. It must have been pure speculations cause from what I can see Eric went to parties all the time (compared to me)

Kristi and Alyssa even went to his house just to take him out. Ungrateful little bastard

Those two boys had more friends and more of a social life than I did in high school. Yet I still have empathy for them.

I probably would've been overtaken by the Christians, back in high school and college the born-again's really wanted to save me.

I wonder if the boys hungout so much together that Robyn would have invited Dylan and just assumed Eric would come

Screamingophelia wrote:

I wonder if the boys hungout so much together that Robyn would have  invited Dylan and just assumed Eric would  come

I wish Eric would have gone to prom. Could you imagine him in a suit?

I can only ever imagine Eric in black cargo pants or those long ass jorts. Anything else just feels wrong

munchkinphone wrote:

I can only ever imagine Eric in black cargo pants or those long ass jorts. Anything else just feels wrong

LOL same.

I never thought Dylan wore jean shorts until I saw that one video where a couple of them are walkig through the supermarket/parking lot. Not a good look for either of them

munchkinphone wrote:

I can only ever imagine Eric in black cargo pants or those long ass jorts. Anything else just feels wrong

Those jorts were legendary!

I never saw Dylan wear jeanshorts in that one. Isn't that the other guy? I actually kind of like his style in that video. The goth look was a bit too much on him and this more laid back one was kind of cool. I like that he liked so many different types of music and wasn't shy about it either so a bright yellow Dj spooky tshirt confirms that in a nice way.

munchkinphone wrote:

I never saw Dylan wear jeanshorts in that one. Isn't that the other guy? I actually kind of like his style in that video. The goth look was a bit too much on him and this more laid back one was kind of cool. I like that he liked so many different types of music and wasn't shy about it either so a bright yellow Dj spooky tshirt confirms that in a nice way.

I hate to say I'm pretty sure it was him...

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But the tshirt looks white in the other picture and Dylans thighs where soo long, these look kind of average. The style of walk looks like Dylan though. Hmm

munchkinphone wrote:

But the tshirt looks white in the other picture and Dylans thighs where soo long, these look kind of average. The style of walk looks like Dylan though. Hmm

Yeah you could be right. The legs do look shorter than what I would imagine his would be...but the walk is what made me think it was him. Plus the other person they show in the video has a dark shirt on so I know that wasn't him.

It's seems to be three people and I think the voice sounds like the guy who asks for a orange soda in the breakfast video (Dustin?) and he seems to own white tshirts. I bet it is him

This gives an idea of what Eric would've looked like at prom. So handsome.
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munchkinphone wrote:

It's seems to be three people and I think the voice sounds like the guy who asks for a orange soda in the breakfast video (Dustin?) and he seems to own white tshirts. I bet it is him

Is this from Nate's video? It was taken in early April?


I guess it could be him, but I'd think his legs would be longer...

Screamingophelia wrote:

munchkinphone wrote:

It's seems to be three people and I think the voice sounds like the guy who asks for a orange soda in the breakfast video (Dustin?) and he seems to own white tshirts. I bet it is him

Is this from Nate's video? It was taken in early April?


I guess it could be him, but I'd think his legs would be longer...

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Here's a link to the video

Littlelo wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

munchkinphone wrote:

It's seems to be three people and I think the voice sounds like the guy who asks for a orange soda in the breakfast video (Dustin?) and he seems to own white tshirts. I bet it is him

Is this from Nate's video? It was taken in early April?


I guess it could be him, but I'd think his legs would be longer...

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Here's a link to the video

Thank you!!

We talk a lot about how drastically Dylan's weight dropped in the months prior to the shooting. But it's also interesting to me that Eric's weight pretty much remained unchanged. The drivers license info we have (issued in May 1997) has his weight at 135lbs. The autopsy report almost two years later has it at 135-140lbs.

I guess this is more of an observation than a question, but I wanted to share.

Edit: For comparison, Dylan was 180 in Oct. 1997 and his autopsy says he weighed 143 at the time of his death. A 37 pound difference.

Nate would be my second guess because Dustin is a bit bigger, It was just an assumption based on that Dustin wears white tshirts all the time but I can imagine Nate did too. It's sad that Nate isn't on any videos, he seemed like a good influence on Dylan :/

munchkinphone wrote:

Nate would be my second guess because Dustin is a bit bigger, It was just an assumption based on that Dustin wears white tshirts all the time but I can imagine Nate did too. It's sad that Nate isn't on any videos, he seemed like a good influence on Dylan :/

I've always liked Nate.. as much as you can like someone you never met. LOL




I'm disappointed that he didn't like his nickname Devil Man, I wonder why?

Screamingophelia wrote:

munchkinphone wrote:

Nate would be my second guess because Dustin is a bit bigger, It was just an assumption based on that Dustin wears white tshirts all the time but I can imagine Nate did too. It's sad that Nate isn't on any videos, he seemed like a good influence on Dylan :/

I've always liked Nate.. as much as you can like someone you never met. LOL




I'm disappointed that he didn't like his nickname Devil Man, I wonder why?

I have honestly always thought he just told police that because it seemed to reflect poorly on him, in a way. I don't know why else he wouldn't like it. I think he crossed it out in Eric's yearbook writing to him because he wanted to separate himself from the "evil" nature of E&D.

I realize that's a pretty big assumption but I had a gut feeling about it when I read his interview with detectives.

Littlelo wrote:

We talk a lot about how drastically Dylan's weight dropped in the months prior to the shooting. But it's also interesting to me that Eric's weight pretty much remained unchanged. The drivers license info we have (issued in May 1997) has his weight at 135lbs. The autopsy report almost two years later has it at 135-140lbs.

I guess this is more of an observation than a question, but I wanted to share.

Edit: For comparison, Dylan was 180 in Oct. 1997 and his autopsy says he weighed 143 at the time of his death. A 37 pound difference.

His neck and build is a lot bigger in his DL photo and you can kind of guess when the videos that made were filmed by seeing how skinny he was.

He didn't look that skinny in his senior photos but by prom he looks emaciated.

Eric's depression may not have manifested in him not eating... he also wrote that he didn't mind his height it was his weight.

I also wonder if there was anything else to Dylan's "I look fat" in the BT. He wasn't an ex fat kid who lost the weight, it always struck me as an odd thing to say.

Littlelo wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

munchkinphone wrote:

Nate would be my second guess because Dustin is a bit bigger, It was just an assumption based on that Dustin wears white tshirts all the time but I can imagine Nate did too. It's sad that Nate isn't on any videos, he seemed like a good influence on Dylan :/

I've always liked Nate.. as much as you can like someone you never met. LOL




I'm disappointed that he didn't like his nickname Devil Man, I wonder why?

I have honestly always thought he just told police that because it seemed to reflect poorly on him, in a way. I don't know why else he wouldn't like it. I think he crossed it out in Eric's yearbook writing to him because he wanted to separate himself from the "evil" nature of E&D.

I realize that's a pretty big assumption but I had a gut feeling about it when I read his interview with detectives.

That could be it, I always thought it was because Nate may have been a bit charming and he kind of looked like a Hollywood interpretation of a devil. Devil man is a better nickname than Vodka...

Screamingophelia wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

We talk a lot about how drastically Dylan's weight dropped in the months prior to the shooting. But it's also interesting to me that Eric's weight pretty much remained unchanged. The drivers license info we have (issued in May 1997) has his weight at 135lbs. The autopsy report almost two years later has it at 135-140lbs.

I guess this is more of an observation than a question, but I wanted to share.

Edit: For comparison, Dylan was 180 in Oct. 1997 and his autopsy says he weighed 143 at the time of his death. A 37 pound difference.

His neck and build is a lot bigger in his DL photo and you can kind of guess when the videos that made were filmed by seeing how skinny he was.

He didn't look that skinny in his senior photos but by prom he looks emaciated.

Eric's depression may not have manifested in him not eating... he also wrote that he didn't mind his height it was his weight.

I also wonder if there was anything else to Dylan's "I look fat" in the BT. He wasn't an ex fat kid who lost the weight, it always struck me as an odd thing to say.

I wonder if he had body issues; that comment seems strange for a teenager that was generally always tall and lanky once he hit puberty. Unless he said it in more of a joking way.

I think it was probably said in a joking way. Dylan had no issues scarfing food down from all the reports from family and friends. Hell on Prom night the amount he reportedly consumed would have fed 3.

 I do agree that by prom he was stick thin.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I think it was probably said in a joking way. Dylan had no issues scarfing food down from all the reports from family and friends. Hell on Prom night the amount he reportedly consumed would have fed 3.

I agree that by prom he was stick thin.

It may have been that he looked bulky in his trench coat and he wanted to look "cool"

From all accounts he didn't take his trench coat off for a while, Eric did right away.

Kind of darkly funny that Eric was all about tactical stuff and Dylan was like "we need gloves and a good pair of pants...."

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I think it was probably said in a joking way. Dylan had no issues scarfing food down from all the reports from family and friends. Hell on Prom night the amount he reportedly consumed would have fed 3.

I agree that by prom he was stick thin.

It may have been that he looked bulky in his trench coat and he wanted to look "cool"

From all accounts he didn't take his trench coat off for a while, Eric did right away.

Kind of darkly funny that Eric was all about tactical stuff and Dylan was like "we need gloves and a good pair of pants...."

Also I was mildly surprised that he didn't have his hair pulled back in a NBK's type ponytail too.

True, SG. And Sue said he would eat cereal from a mixing bowl, I believe?!

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I think it was probably said in a joking way. Dylan had no issues scarfing food down from all the reports from family and friends. Hell on Prom night the amount he reportedly consumed would have fed 3.

I agree that by prom he was stick thin.

It may have been that he looked bulky in his trench coat and he wanted to look "cool"

From all accounts he didn't take his trench coat off for a while, Eric did right away.

Kind of darkly funny that Eric was all about tactical stuff and Dylan was like "we need gloves and a good pair of pants...."

Also I was mildly surprised that he didn't have his hair pulled back in a NBK's type ponytail too.

Yea, he looked especially..

never mind. He may have wanted to go for the crazy clown look like from HFH.

Littlelo wrote:

True, SG. And Sue said he would eat cereal from a mixing bowl, I believe?!

That is true!!

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I think it was probably said in a joking way. Dylan had no issues scarfing food down from all the reports from family and friends. Hell on Prom night the amount he reportedly consumed would have fed 3.

I agree that by prom he was stick thin.

It may have been that he looked bulky in his trench coat and he wanted to look "cool"

Several people said that on the day of the attack, at least one of the shooters looked pudgy or heavy. Unless you believe that there was a third shooter, all the gear really did "make them look fat" in the eyes of witnesses. Or at least that's what the investigators explained to them when they said that it couldn't have been Eric or Dylan. The only problem is that one or two of them also said that he had a pudgy face. 

sscc wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I think it was probably said in a joking way. Dylan had no issues scarfing food down from all the reports from family and friends. Hell on Prom night the amount he reportedly consumed would have fed 3.

I agree that by prom he was stick thin.

It may have been that he looked bulky in his trench coat and he wanted to look "cool"

Several people said that on the day of the attack, at least one of the shooters looked pudgy or heavy. Unless you believe that there was a third shooter, all the gear really did "make them look fat" in the eyes of witnesses. Or at least that's what the investigators explained to them when they said that it couldn't have been Eric or Dylan. The only problem is that one or two of them also said that he had a pudgy face. 

Not saying there was a 3rd shooter, but very unlikely someone could ever mistake Dylan or Eric as having a pudgy face.

With that being said, we all know the witness reports were filled with inconsistencies, and sometimes just plain out wrong info.

There is a conspiracy video on YouTube suggesting that there were more than 2 shooters. The argument relies almost completely on "eyewitness" accounts, without even acknowledging how wrong so many were proven to be

They also said one of the shooters had acne and bad teeth. Say what you want about them, that was not an issue they had at least not at that time

Screamingophelia wrote:

They also said one of the shooters had acne and bad teeth. Say what you want about them, that was not an issue they had at least not at that time

In my honest opinion I think by the time most those kids were interviewed, they had already heard about the shooters wearing trench coats and then just saw any member of the TCM as being there and involved.