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Did Eric have knives on him?

In Zero Hour the actor who played Eric had this disturbed look on my face from what I remember after Dylan said they should start knifing people.

I do wonder if there was a second when Eric was thinking "Dylan is acting psychotic" since he was so focused.
I believe they both had knives. I am convinced that it was Dylan who made the suggestion to knife people (especially because he talked about doing that in his essay) but Jessica Holliday claimed that she was sure that it was Eric who made that comment and she could tell because she knew both of them before the incident.

Thanks SSCC.

I'm convinced it was Dylan too.
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Screamingophelia wrote:
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What was the quote on the ring? I hope it was something remotely positive.

I randomly realized that I dont know what UAC in UAClabs stand for. I'm not from an englishspeaking country so sorry if it something everyone else knows Razz

If memory serves, it's actually my favorite quote from Dylan. Questions make answers, answers conceive questions, and at long last he is content.


But he wasn't content. Isn't that why he wanted to die?
I dont get this quote at all. Does he mean that death is the only way to stop asking questions and therefore the only way to be content?


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munchkinphone wrote:
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What was the quote on the ring? I hope it was something remotely positive.

I randomly realized that I dont know what UAC in UAClabs stand for. I'm not from an englishspeaking country so sorry if it something everyone else knows Razz

If memory serves, it's actually my favorite quote from Dylan. Questions make answers, answers conceive questions, and at long last he is content.


But he wasn't content. Isn't that why he wanted to die?
I dont get this quote at all. Does he mean that death is the only way to stop asking questions and therefore the only way to be content?



Interpreting Dylan lines is a fun thing to do Smile I am not being facetious.

In one sentence he tries to sound like a philosopher then he is like"BEEERRRR. FUCK I LOST MY SUNGLASSES" in another passage


Here is Dylan's full passage

Okay here’s some poetry.... this is a display of one man [?] in search of answers, never finding
them, yet in hopelessness understands things ...
Existence. . . . what a strange word. He set out by determination & curiosity, knows no existence,
knows nothing relevant to himself. The petty declarations of others & everything
on this world, in this world, he knows the answers to. Yet they have no purpose to him. He
seeks knowledge of the unthinkable, of the undefineable, of the unknown. He explores the
everything ... using his mind, the most powerful tool known to him. Not a physical barrier
blocking the limits of exploration, time thru thought thru dimensions . . . the everything is
his realm. Yet, the more he thinks, hoping to find answers to his questions, the more come
up. Amazingly, the petty things mean much to him at this time, how he wants to be normal,
not this transceiver of the everything. Then occurring to him, the answer. How everything is
connected yet separate. By experiencing the petty others actions, reactions, emotions, doings,
and thoughts, he gets a mental picture of what, in his mind, is a cycle.
Existence is a great hall, life is one of the rooms, death is passing thru the doors, & the everexistent
compulsion of everything is the curiosity to keep moving down the hall, thru the
doors, exploring rooms, down this never-ending hall. Questions make answers, answers
conceive questions, and at long last he is content. TTYL [talk to you later] <<–VoDkA–>

He is still talking about death and passing through doors. I always thought that he was talking about how we can never truly know something. I don't think Dylan was content and I am not sure why "he" is content at the end.

We can interpret that "content" means dead.

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Screamingophelia wrote:
munchkinphone wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
munchkinphone wrote:
What was the quote on the ring? I hope it was something remotely positive.

I randomly realized that I dont know what UAC in UAClabs stand for. I'm not from an englishspeaking country so sorry if it something everyone else knows Razz

If memory serves, it's actually my favorite quote from Dylan. Questions make answers, answers conceive questions, and at long last he is content.


But he wasn't content. Isn't that why he wanted to die?
I dont get this quote at all. Does he mean that death is the only way to stop asking questions and therefore the only way to be content?



Interpreting Dylan lines is a fun thing to do Smile I am not being facetious.

In one sentence he tries to sound like a philosopher then he is like"BEEERRRR. FUCK I LOST MY SUNGLASSES" in another passage


Here is Dylan's full passage

Okay here’s some poetry.... this is a display of one man [?] in search of answers, never finding
them, yet in hopelessness understands things ...
Existence. . . . what a strange word. He set out by determination & curiosity, knows no existence,
knows nothing relevant to himself. The petty declarations of others & everything
on this world, in this world, he knows the answers to. Yet they have no purpose to him. He
seeks knowledge of the unthinkable, of the undefineable, of the unknown. He explores the
everything ... using his mind, the most powerful tool known to him. Not a physical barrier
blocking the limits of exploration, time thru thought thru dimensions . . . the everything is
his realm. Yet, the more he thinks, hoping to find answers to his questions, the more come
up. Amazingly, the petty things mean much to him at this time, how he wants to be normal,
not this transceiver of the everything. Then occurring to him, the answer. How everything is
connected yet separate. By experiencing the petty others actions, reactions, emotions, doings,
and thoughts, he gets a mental picture of what, in his mind, is a cycle.
Existence is a great hall, life is one of the rooms, death is passing thru the doors, & the everexistent
compulsion of everything is the curiosity to keep moving down the hall, thru the
doors, exploring rooms, down this never-ending hall. Questions make answers, answers
conceive questions, and at long last he is content. TTYL [talk to you later] <<–VoDkA–>

He is still talking about death and passing through doors. I always thought that he was talking about how we can never truly know something. I don't think Dylan was content and I am not sure why "he" is content at the end.

We can interpret that "content" means dead.


I like that about him. Every "philosopher" I have discussed with has been pretentious and condescending in some way. It's horrible. Also you always worry that you'd get too deep or too dark for any of it to make sense and you wont be taken seriously. I probably wouldn't have that problem when talking to Dylan. Lol
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munchkinphone wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
munchkinphone wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
munchkinphone wrote:
What was the quote on the ring? I hope it was something remotely positive.

I randomly realized that I dont know what UAC in UAClabs stand for. I'm not from an englishspeaking country so sorry if it something everyone else knows Razz

If memory serves, it's actually my favorite quote from Dylan. Questions make answers, answers conceive questions, and at long last he is content.


But he wasn't content. Isn't that why he wanted to die?
I dont get this quote at all. Does he mean that death is the only way to stop asking questions and therefore the only way to be content?



Interpreting Dylan lines is a fun thing to do Smile I am not being facetious.

In one sentence he tries to sound like a philosopher then he is like"BEEERRRR. FUCK I LOST MY SUNGLASSES" in another passage


Here is Dylan's full passage

Okay here’s some poetry.... this is a display of one man [?] in search of answers, never finding
them, yet in hopelessness understands things ...
Existence. . . . what a strange word. He set out by determination & curiosity, knows no existence,
knows nothing relevant to himself. The petty declarations of others & everything
on this world, in this world, he knows the answers to. Yet they have no purpose to him. He
seeks knowledge of the unthinkable, of the undefineable, of the unknown. He explores the
everything ... using his mind, the most powerful tool known to him. Not a physical barrier
blocking the limits of exploration, time thru thought thru dimensions . . . the everything is
his realm. Yet, the more he thinks, hoping to find answers to his questions, the more come
up. Amazingly, the petty things mean much to him at this time, how he wants to be normal,
not this transceiver of the everything. Then occurring to him, the answer. How everything is
connected yet separate. By experiencing the petty others actions, reactions, emotions, doings,
and thoughts, he gets a mental picture of what, in his mind, is a cycle.
Existence is a great hall, life is one of the rooms, death is passing thru the doors, & the everexistent
compulsion of everything is the curiosity to keep moving down the hall, thru the
doors, exploring rooms, down this never-ending hall. Questions make answers, answers
conceive questions, and at long last he is content. TTYL [talk to you later] <<–VoDkA–>

He is still talking about death and passing through doors. I always thought that he was talking about how we can never truly know something. I don't think Dylan was content and I am not sure why "he" is content at the end.

We can interpret that "content" means dead.


I like that about him. Every "philosopher" I have discussed with has been pretentious and condescending in some way. It's horrible. Also you always worry that you'd get too deep or too dark for any of it to make sense and you wont be taken seriously. I probably wouldn't have that problem when talking to Dylan. Lol


Not at all. I get the feeling he would find it endearing if you got really dark with him. LOL
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I don't remember hearing about this, since it was a long time ago. I was researching for my film and I came across this shooting. Dylan would have been a senior when this happened.

October 28, 2002 Tucson, Arizona 4 0 Failing nursing college student and Gulf War veteran, 40-year-old Robert Stewart Flores Jr., killed three assistant professors of nursing at the University of Arizona, 50-year-old Robin Rogers, 44-year-old Cheryl McGaffic, and 45-year-old Barbara Monroe, before turning the gun on himself.[327]

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Does anyone know where to look for bullying statistics?
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No idea but I can tell you that bullying has been around FOREVER!

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Working on my film and researching has had me delve into a lot... I watched some Elliot Rogers videos, that was not fun. I keep getting the feeling that Eric and Dylan seemed to be the most "normal" before the shooting kids.

Then I came across this passage from Eric's journal. It was on a few sites and someone put a little footnote saying Eric was referring to the Red Lake shootings... which was the deadliest school shooting since Columbine, it happened in 2005.

HATE! I'm full of hate and I Love it. I HATE PEOPLE and they better fucking fear me if they know whats good for em. yes I hate and I guess I want others to know it, yes I'm racist and I don't mind. Niggs and spics bring it on themselves, and another thing, I am very racist towards white trash p.o.s.s like [censored] and [censored] they deserve the hatred, otherwise I probly wouldnt hate them. Its a tragedy, the human nature of people will lead to their downfall. Peoples human nature will get them killed. whether by me or Vodka, Its happened before, and not just in school shootings like those pussy dumbasses over in Minnesota who squeeled. throughtout history, Its our fucking nature! I know how people are and why and I cant stand it! I love the nazis too... by the way, I fucking cant get enough of the swastika, the SS, and the iron cross


So clearly unless Eric was VERY psychic and predicted 9/11 and this shooting, he is talking about something else.

What is he talking about?
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I was flipping through Cullen's book and came across something that made me laugh. On page 146  Cullen was talking about Eric.

"He started shopping at a trendy shop called Hot Topic and the army surplus store. He liked the look. He liked the feeling. Their buddy Chris Morris began sporting a beret. That was a little much, Eric thought. He wanted to look different, not retarded."

OUCH!  I wonder if Chris read that and thought "F*ck you Dave! My beret was completely bad ass!"  Haha
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I was flipping through Cullen's book and came across something that made me laugh. On page 146  Cullen was talking about Eric.

"He started shopping at a trendy shop called Hot Topic and the army surplus store. He liked the look. He liked the feeling. Their buddy Chris Morris began sporting a beret. That was a little much, Eric thought. He wanted to look different, not retarded."

OUCH!  I wonder if Chris read that and thought "F*ck you Dave! My beret was completely bad ass!"  Haha

That is one book I refuse to read. I have it, I have opened that PDF so many times. I will not read it.

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Lizpuff wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I was flipping through Cullen's book and came across something that made me laugh. On page 146  Cullen was talking about Eric.

"He started shopping at a trendy shop called Hot Topic and the army surplus store. He liked the look. He liked the feeling. Their buddy Chris Morris began sporting a beret. That was a little much, Eric thought. He wanted to look different, not retarded."

OUCH!  I wonder if Chris read that and thought "F*ck you Dave! My beret was completely bad ass!"  Haha

That is one book I refuse to read.  I have it, I have opened that PDF so many times.  I will not read it.

It's nice to see you back!!!

Chris in his beret will be more badass than Cullen any day.

I'm part of a few True Crime Book Clubs and they are like "oh we should read Columbine" and I always have to chime in "I'll bring the 11k and a few other books to debunk that shit!" they've gotten used to it... LOL
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Screamingophelia wrote:
Lizpuff wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I was flipping through Cullen's book and came across something that made me laugh. On page 146  Cullen was talking about Eric.

"He started shopping at a trendy shop called Hot Topic and the army surplus store. He liked the look. He liked the feeling. Their buddy Chris Morris began sporting a beret. That was a little much, Eric thought. He wanted to look different, not retarded."

OUCH!  I wonder if Chris read that and thought "F*ck you Dave! My beret was completely bad ass!"  Haha

That is one book I refuse to read.  I have it, I have opened that PDF so many times.  I will not read it.

It's nice to see you back!!!

Chris in his beret will be more badass than Cullen any day.

I'm part of a few True Crime Book Clubs and they are like "oh we should read Columbine" and I always have to chime in "I'll bring the 11k and a few other books to debunk that shit!" they've gotten used to it... LOL

Glad to be back!

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Lizpuff wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I was flipping through Cullen's book and came across something that made me laugh. On page 146  Cullen was talking about Eric.

"He started shopping at a trendy shop called Hot Topic and the army surplus store. He liked the look. He liked the feeling. Their buddy Chris Morris began sporting a beret. That was a little much, Eric thought. He wanted to look different, not retarded."

OUCH!  I wonder if Chris read that and thought "F*ck you Dave! My beret was completely bad ass!"  Haha

That is one book I refuse to read.  I have it, I have opened that PDF so many times.  I will not read it.

Read it! There really is come comedic type stuff in there. Not that Dave was going for funny, but it just ends up that way due to the sheer ridiculousness of the things he says. Roll
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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Lizpuff wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I was flipping through Cullen's book and came across something that made me laugh. On page 146  Cullen was talking about Eric.

"He started shopping at a trendy shop called Hot Topic and the army surplus store. He liked the look. He liked the feeling. Their buddy Chris Morris began sporting a beret. That was a little much, Eric thought. He wanted to look different, not retarded."

OUCH!  I wonder if Chris read that and thought "F*ck you Dave! My beret was completely bad ass!"  Haha

That is one book I refuse to read.  I have it, I have opened that PDF so many times.  I will not read it.

Read it! There really is come comedic type stuff in there. Not that Dave was going for funny, but it just ends up that way due to the sheer ridiculousness of the things he says. Roll

Just reading that little snippet you posted had me rolling my eyes so hard I thought they might fall out. I am not sure I have the strength!

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Lizpuff wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Lizpuff wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I was flipping through Cullen's book and came across something that made me laugh. On page 146  Cullen was talking about Eric.

"He started shopping at a trendy shop called Hot Topic and the army surplus store. He liked the look. He liked the feeling. Their buddy Chris Morris began sporting a beret. That was a little much, Eric thought. He wanted to look different, not retarded."

OUCH!  I wonder if Chris read that and thought "F*ck you Dave! My beret was completely bad ass!"  Haha

That is one book I refuse to read.  I have it, I have opened that PDF so many times.  I will not read it.

Read it! There really is come comedic type stuff in there. Not that Dave was going for funny, but it just ends up that way due to the sheer ridiculousness of the things he says. Roll

Just reading that little snippet you posted had me rolling my eyes so hard I thought they might fall out.  I am not sure I have the strength!


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I'd pick a guy with a beret over a guy with a fedora any day
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I agree [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...every time I look into other shooters and their stories, I can't help but think E&D appeared very normal compared to most. It's really strange. Think about Lanza or Cho and compare them to E&D. Even Elliot Rodger was bizarre and his roommate in college wrote a letter about wanting him removed. The only thing that could have stuck out to anyone prior to 4/20 was the van incident.
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I agree [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...every time I look into other shooters and their stories, I can't help but think E&D appeared very normal compared to most. It's really strange. Think about Lanza or Cho and compare them to E&D. Even Elliot Rodger was bizarre and his roommate in college wrote a letter about wanting him removed. The only thing that could have stuck out to anyone prior to 4/20 was the van incident.

That may be why interest has never wained with them, because they were so “normal”

Which would piss them off to hear you know because they were “godlike” Razz
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I agree [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...every time I look into other shooters and their stories, I can't help but think E&D appeared very normal compared to most. It's really strange. Think about Lanza or Cho and compare them to E&D. Even Elliot Rodger was bizarre and his roommate in college wrote a letter about wanting him removed. The only thing that could have stuck out to anyone prior to 4/20 was the van incident.

Well if we're going to compare shooters to see who was the most normal, then the most "normal" mass shooter is Stephen Paddock. There practically no indication that there was something wrong with him until the day of the attack.

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I agree [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...every time I look into other shooters and their stories, I can't help but think E&D appeared very normal compared to most. It's really strange. Think about Lanza or Cho and compare them to E&D. Even Elliot Rodger was bizarre and his roommate in college wrote a letter about wanting him removed. The only thing that could have stuck out to anyone prior to 4/20 was the van incident.

Well if we're going to compare shooters to see who was the most normal, then the most "normal" mass shooter is Stephen Paddock. There practically no indication that there was something wrong with him until the day of the attack.

That’s true. The only thing his girlfriend said was that he was a little more distant, but other than that I haven’t seen anything reported as a red flag.
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I agree [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...every time I look into other shooters and their stories, I can't help but think E&D appeared very normal compared to most. It's really strange. Think about Lanza or Cho and compare them to E&D. Even Elliot Rodger was bizarre and his roommate in college wrote a letter about wanting him removed. The only thing that could have stuck out to anyone prior to 4/20 was the van incident.

Well if we're going to compare shooters to see who was the most normal, then the most "normal" mass shooter is Stephen Paddock. There practically no indication that there was something wrong with him until the day of the attack.

That’s true. The only thing his girlfriend said was that he was a little more distant, but other than that I haven’t seen anything reported as a red flag.

Oh, yes. Paddock wins I guess. Is it really "winning"?

Good points all around.
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I agree [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...every time I look into other shooters and their stories, I can't help but think E&D appeared very normal compared to most. It's really strange. Think about Lanza or Cho and compare them to E&D. Even Elliot Rodger was bizarre and his roommate in college wrote a letter about wanting him removed. The only thing that could have stuck out to anyone prior to 4/20 was the van incident.

Well if we're going to compare shooters to see who was the most normal, then the most "normal" mass shooter is Stephen Paddock. There practically no indication that there was something wrong with him until the day of the attack.
Paddock had a notably unusual lifestyle and personality though. I'd say that the most "normal" mass shooter that I've ever heard of was Jaylen Fryberg.
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He was on the wrestling and football teams, had friends, had at least one ex-girlfriend, was active on social media and was voted freshman homecoming prince a week before the shooting. He only seemed to start having any real trouble right before the shooting, when everything fell apart all at once. He got violent with his girlfriend the night of homecoming, prompting her to break up with him and he got into a fight with a football player after a racist remark was made, leading to him being kicked off the team.

Despite his supposed normalcy, he targeted his friends after luring them to the cafeteria via text message because he apparently didn't want to be alone in death and decided that he needed "his crew" with him on the other side. It doesn't really matter how normal someone seems, I guess.
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I agree [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...every time I look into other shooters and their stories, I can't help but think E&D appeared very normal compared to most. It's really strange. Think about Lanza or Cho and compare them to E&D. Even Elliot Rodger was bizarre and his roommate in college wrote a letter about wanting him removed. The only thing that could have stuck out to anyone prior to 4/20 was the van incident.

Well if we're going to compare shooters to see who was the most normal, then the most "normal" mass shooter is Stephen Paddock. There practically no indication that there was something wrong with him until the day of the attack.
Paddock had a notably unusual lifestyle and personality though. I'd say that the most "normal" mass shooter that I've ever heard of was Jaylen Fryberg.
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He was on the wrestling and football teams, had friends, had at least one ex-girlfriend, was active on social media and was voted freshman homecoming prince a week before the shooting. He only seemed to start having any real trouble right before the shooting, when everything fell apart all at once. He got violent with his girlfriend the night of homecoming, prompting her to break up with him and he got into a fight with a football player after a racist remark was made, leading to him being kicked off the team.

Despite his supposed normalcy, he targeted his friends after luring them to the cafeteria via text message because he apparently didn't want to be alone in death and decided that he needed "his crew" with him on the other side. It doesn't really matter how normal someone seems, I guess.

Interesting, I’ve never heard of him. Thanks for sharing
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Did the Harris's or Klebold's have any kind of saws? I assume Dylan's dad probably had quite a few because of all the work they did around the house. I was wondering where they sawed off their shotguns?

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Good question about the guns. I don’t think I’ve seen that discussed before.
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Did the Harris's or Klebold's have any kind of saws? I assume Dylan's dad probably had quite a few because of all the work they did around the house. I was wondering where they sawed off their shotguns?


That is a very interesting question. scratch Depending on if they used a hand saw or a power saw. A hand saw would have taken FOREVER! Power saw would have made a fair amount of noise. So they would likely have had to do it when no one was home.
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I have always imagined they did it in Erics garage because that's the only place we know of were they made alot of noise.

I have read on the lists where the rest of the barrel of the shotgun was found but I don't remember, maybe that could give a clue.
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I have always imagined they did it in Erics garage because that's the only place we know of were they made alot of noise.

I have read on the lists where the rest of the barrel of the shotgun was found but I don't remember, maybe that could give a clue.

I think there were reports of breaking glass and a lot of noise from the neighbors, now that I think about it. I still think there was a neighbor Eric played soccer with and I think other neighbors reported noise.

I think a lot of their stuff was kept at Eric's. There were reports of one gun, I think one of Dylan's guns was in the house for a while (that's why he left that day while cleaning... the night before prom) and a few bombs at Dylan's but most were at Eric's.
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I also think it’s more likely it was done at Eric’s house. Sue even mentions that Eric didn’t spend a whole lot of time at their home, and neighbors of the Harris family noted seeing Dylan’s BMW constantly parked in the neighborhood. Just seems more likely.
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The butt of Eric's gun was left on his bed.

I think Eric spent a fair amount of time at home alone without his family. If he parents went on a date like the day of Prom, then he would have enough time to do what he needed. I mean they had enough time to construct their bombs at home and get them inside without his parents noticing. Seems to make enough sense to me that he just did it when his parents were out.

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The butt of Eric's gun was left on his bed.

I think Eric spent a fair amount of time at home alone without his family.  If he parents went on a date like the day of Prom, then he would have enough time to do what he needed.  I mean they had enough time to construct their bombs at home and get them inside without his parents noticing.  Seems to make enough sense to me that he just did it when his parents were out.

It sounds like it was Eric's definitely.

They left Eric alone a lot. My parents NEVER did anything... someone was always home.

I still want to know where they were in the morning of.
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Same here, my parents always knew what I was doing when I was in high school. I can’t imagine getting away with what they did.
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If I wanted to I could have. My parents were never home. Thinking back I had a ton of opportunities to be a bad teen. Too bad I mostly sat around watching tv lol

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I had the habit of asking my brother if I should do bad things and he always told me it wasn’t a good Idea so i didn’t. It’s funny my brother was the one always in trouble growing up and I was the one no one had to worry about but I had all the anger issues.

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It's so weird nowadays to think that there weren't cameras outside of the school. I'm also surprised that there weren't any in the hallways. Are we completely 100% sure that there weren't any others, apart from in the commons?
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It's so weird nowadays to think that there weren't cameras outside of the school. I'm also surprised that there weren't any in the hallways. Are we completely 100% sure that there weren't any others, apart from in the commons?

I have heard rumors that there were library cameras but they were shut off. But other people have said that’s completely false.

Back then there wasn’t a ton of need for cameras everywhere especially in a place like Littleton. The area was super safe, still is.
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I’m also surprised there were no cameras outside.

I’ve never really believed the rumor about library cameras.
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It might just be that living in today's climate it would be highly unlikely to come across a school without more security camera presence. I was really young in '99 so I'm unaware if cameras in schools were as commonplace as they are now.
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It might just be that living in today's climate it would be highly unlikely to come across a school without more security camera presence. I was really young in '99 so I'm unaware if cameras in schools were as commonplace as they are now.

I was a senior 1999, I think they may have had cameras near the front entrance near the office like principals office but that’s it.

We didn’t have an open campus like they did though. We weren’t allowed to go outside and eat etc.

I definitely don’t think we had a smoking area
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AFAIK there were no other cameras besides the commons ones.

I remember it was a huge deal when I was in high school in the 2000s when we got cameras in my school. All the kids wanted to see what they could do in front of them and get away with.

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I don’t think my high school had cameras until it was remodeled when I was a freshman in the early 00s.

On a weird note, it looks eerily similar to Columbine IMO.
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Columbine probably prompted a lot of schools to start installing cameras.
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AFAIK there were no other cameras besides the commons ones.  

I remember it was a huge deal when I was in high school in the 2000s when we got cameras in my school.  All the kids wanted to see what they could do in front of them and get away with.  


My school had cameras. BUT if you were smart enough to find the blind spots then it was like they weren't there. Twisted Evil Haha
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Did the Harris's or Klebold's have any kind of saws? I assume Dylan's dad probably had quite a few because of all the work they did around the house. I was wondering where they sawed off their shotguns?
A witness said that she heard that Eric and "some other unidentified boys" were seen building something with band saws in Eric's garage on the Saturday of 4/17/99. (10239)
Another witness reported that he heard a power saw and observed saw horses with wood across them on the Sunday before 4/20 (the interview actually says 5/18/199 but obviously, that's not right). (10240)
The same witness reported in a different interview that he heard noises on 4/18/99 that sounded like someone "sawing wood with a circular saw, and glass breaking" and saw sawhorses with wood across them. (10250)

Apparently, the garage door was mostly closed when he was hearing the sounds and about an hour later, it was all the way open when he saw the wood on the sawhorses so maybe this is when they were actually sawing off the shotguns? That doesn't sound right though because the shotgun was already sawn off in the Rampart Range video, wasn't it? Maybe this was sawing off pipes for additional pipebombs or something else necessary for the propane bombs?

I may have overlooked it but I haven't seen anything about sounds coming from the Klebold home and it seems likely to me that the shotguns were done at Eric's house even if it was at an earlier date.

(I put this post together before the other comments on the subject and I forgot to post it so I'm mostly repeating what has already been said but I guess it supports the idea that Eric had the necessary tools in his garage and it has some source pages so I'll post it anyway for future reference. Very Happy )
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Not a question with a definitive answer but just for discussion sake, I wonder what Eric was referring to when he says "my parents might have made some mistakes they weren't really aware of". I tend to think he was referring to being moved around a lot, having to start over from the bottom etc, but I wonder if there's more to it than that.

Unlike Dylan, I think Eric may have left more "warning signs" not saying we *wanted* to get caught be any means, but his parents were aware of Eric's inner struggles as seen in Wayne's journal and the questionnaire from the diversion..
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Did the Harris's or Klebold's have any kind of saws? I assume Dylan's dad probably had quite a few because of all the work they did around the house. I was wondering where they sawed off their shotguns?
A witness said that she heard that Eric and "some other unidentified boys" were seen building something with band saws in Eric's garage on the Saturday of 4/17/99. (10239)
Another witness reported that he heard a power saw and observed saw horses with wood across them on the Sunday before 4/20 (the interview actually says 5/18/199 but obviously, that's not right). (10240)
The same witness reported in a different interview that he heard noises on 4/18/99 that sounded like someone "sawing wood with a circular saw, and glass breaking" and saw sawhorses with wood across them. (10250)

Apparently, the garage door was mostly closed when he was hearing the sounds and about an hour later, it was all the way open when he saw the wood on the sawhorses so maybe this is when they were actually sawing off the shotguns? That doesn't sound right though because the shotgun was already sawn off in the Rampart Range video, wasn't it? Maybe this was sawing off pipes for additional pipebombs or something else necessary for the propane bombs?

I may have overlooked it but I haven't seen anything about sounds coming from the Klebold home and it seems likely to me that the shotguns were done at Eric's house even if it was at an earlier date.

(I put this post together before the other comments on the subject and I forgot to post it so I'm mostly repeating what has already been said but I guess it supports the idea that Eric had the necessary tools in his garage and it has some source pages so I'll post it anyway for future reference. Very Happy )

Yes the guns were already cut in the Rampart video. Thus why they were complaining that their hands got cut up. But that video was just earlier in the year there so quite possible they cut them in March or so

Gotta love the accuracy of witness testimony..... then again IDK that I would remember something as mundane as when I saw sawhorses in a garage months or so before

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Not a question with a definitive answer but just for discussion sake, I wonder what Eric was referring to when he says "my parents might have made some mistakes they weren't really aware of". I tend to think he was referring to being moved around a lot, having to start over from the bottom etc, but I wonder if there's more to it than that.


I have always found that especially cruel of him.

I think he was frustrated with the fact that people had all the pieces to see what was going on and that nobody cared enough to put them together and that is why he chose to say that, also to strenghten his thought that what he is about to do is inevitable.

It is a sensitive subject to talk about Erics family since I cant really know anything for sure. I just get the feeling that his Dad was not so emotionally available and his relationship with his Mom did not allow for him to open up about darker things. His common interest (guns,war,explosives) with his dad gave him a letout for his anger and hunger for some sense of power and he was a bit disappointed that his Dad didn't recognize it for what it was and what emotional connection Eric had to it.

Erics tendency to boast about being able to manipulate is, according to me, a way to derive a sense of power from a powerless situation where nobody really cared to pay attention to what Eric was doing and why (mostly why). I feel like I have used that technique as well Razz
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Did the Harris's or Klebold's have any kind of saws? I assume Dylan's dad probably had quite a few because of all the work they did around the house. I was wondering where they sawed off their shotguns?
A witness said that she heard that Eric and "some other unidentified boys" were seen building something with band saws in Eric's garage on the Saturday of 4/17/99. (10239)
Another witness reported that he heard a power saw and observed saw horses with wood across them on the Sunday before 4/20 (the interview actually says 5/18/199 but obviously, that's not right). (10240)
The same witness reported in a different interview that he heard noises on 4/18/99 that sounded like someone "sawing wood with a circular saw, and glass breaking" and saw sawhorses with wood across them. (10250)

Apparently, the garage door was mostly closed when he was hearing the sounds and about an hour later, it was all the way open when he saw the wood on the sawhorses so maybe this is when they were actually sawing off the shotguns? That doesn't sound right though because the shotgun was already sawn off in the Rampart Range video, wasn't it? Maybe this was sawing off pipes for additional pipebombs or something else necessary for the propane bombs?

I may have overlooked it but I haven't seen anything about sounds coming from the Klebold home and it seems likely to me that the shotguns were done at Eric's house even if it was at an earlier date.

(I put this post together before the other comments on the subject and I forgot to post it so I'm mostly repeating what has already been said but I guess it supports the idea that Eric had the necessary tools in his garage and it has some source pages so I'll post it anyway for future reference. Very Happy )

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Did the Harris's or Klebold's have any kind of saws? I assume Dylan's dad probably had quite a few because of all the work they did around the house. I was wondering where they sawed off their shotguns?
A witness said that she heard that Eric and "some other unidentified boys" were seen building something with band saws in Eric's garage on the Saturday of 4/17/99. (10239)
Another witness reported that he heard a power saw and observed saw horses with wood across them on the Sunday before 4/20 (the interview actually says 5/18/199 but obviously, that's not right). (10240)
The same witness reported in a different interview that he heard noises on 4/18/99 that sounded like someone "sawing wood with a circular saw, and glass breaking" and saw sawhorses with wood across them. (10250)

Apparently, the garage door was mostly closed when he was hearing the sounds and about an hour later, it was all the way open when he saw the wood on the sawhorses so maybe this is when they were actually sawing off the shotguns? That doesn't sound right though because the shotgun was already sawn off in the Rampart Range video, wasn't it? Maybe this was sawing off pipes for additional pipebombs or something else necessary for the propane bombs?

I may have overlooked it but I haven't seen anything about sounds coming from the Klebold home and it seems likely to me that the shotguns were done at Eric's house even if it was at an earlier date.

(I put this post together before the other comments on the subject and I forgot to post it so I'm mostly repeating what has already been said but I guess it supports the idea that Eric had the necessary tools in his garage and it has some source pages so I'll post it anyway for future reference. Very Happy )

Yes the guns were already cut in the Rampart video.  Thus why they were complaining that their hands got cut up.  But that video was just earlier in the year there so quite possible they cut them in March or so

Gotta love the accuracy of witness testimony..... then again IDK that I would remember something as mundane as when I saw sawhorses in a garage months or so before

I know Mark and Phil were made examples of while Robyn wasn't but watching Rampart Range and hearing Mark go "that's what happens when you let High School kids play with guns" then he lied and said he didn't know they were teenagers and how their actions that day made him uncomfortable... but you still sold them a gun and ammunition. Irks me to no end.


I agree, they were probably sawing things for pipe bombs and stuff like that.
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