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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:33 pm
R.I.P. Naeem Rashid, true shahid.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:33 pm
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Neah wrote:
G4145 wrote:
Neah wrote:
DooMRebel wrote:
Do you think its safe to watch the live stream if you arent from NZ?
I guess it's safe regarding the law. Apparently 1.5 millions videos were removed from Facebook only, too many people watched it and I don't see how they could know you watched it without admitting they spying on you. However I don't recommend it because you will probably feel guilty after you watched it. Most of us regretted it.
Why on earth would you feel guilty for watching a video...?
I explained it in another thread. Because it would be a lie if I said it is for "research", this is simply morbid curiosity on my behalf. I know that it is a natural feeling and we can't help it, but I also couldn't help but feel guilty after the video, no matter if it is a legitimate feeling or not. You may find it stupid but I felt guilty, that's all.
I saw a variation of the video set to Don't stop me now by Queen.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:09 am
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Was it this video ? (Content removed by staff)
I would really like to know the state of mind of the individual who made this.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:48 am
This is crazy:
Christchurch mosque attack: Up to 14 years' jail for video sharers as Commissioner asks Facebook to give police names
"That raises the prospect of a fine of up to $10,000 or up to 14 years' jail for anyone who shares the clip - and this morning, Privacy Commissioner John Edwards called on Facebook to share names with police."
Obviously, they already found a few New Zealander scapegoats among the people who uploaded 1,5M videos on Facebook only:
Second Man Charged With Sharing Livestream Video Of Christchurch Attack
"[...] Christchurch:
A 44-year-old man has become the second person charged with sharing a gruesome livestream video of the deadly attack at a Christchurch mosque.
Philip Arps, 44, was arrested by New Zealand Police on Tuesday, four days after 28-year-old Australian Brenton Tarrant went on a rampage at two mosques in the southern city, killing 50 people and injuring dozens more.
Arps was charged with two counts of distributing objectionable material under the Films Act, and was remanded in custody after appearing in Christchurch District Court.
He is due back in court on April 15.
A teenager appeared in court earlier this week on the same charge.[...]"
and will things go as Tarrant wanted?
Islamic State retaliation threat: New Zealand's darkest day casting a long shadow
"Jihadist groups are threatening retaliation for the attack, with IS issuing a call to arms. After six months' silence, the terrorist group's spokesman released a 44-minute audio clip.
"The scenes of the massacres in the two mosques should wake up those who were fooled and should incite the supporters of the 'caliphate' who live there to avenge their religion," the clip says. "
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:14 pm
Neah wrote:
and will things go as Tarrant wanted?
Islamic State retaliation threat: New Zealand's darkest day casting a long shadow
It has been a while since the last big Islamic terrorist attack, so if there's any lone wolves still out there, now could be their impetuous to strike.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:27 pm
QuestionMark wrote:
Neah wrote:
and will things go as Tarrant wanted?
Islamic State retaliation threat: New Zealand's darkest day casting a long shadow
It has been a while since the last big Islamic terrorist attack, so if there's any lone wolves still out there, now could be their impetuous to strike.
I think the last one was the Strasbourg one in december 2018 which killed 5 (the terrorist had a gun) but it's true that the last terror attacks have been less organized and with less lethal weapons. I think they have realized that this kind of attack leads to few results and thus don't think it's worth it.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:15 pm
Who censored the pictures of Tarrant at the court? Given that the method of censorship is different I assume it was left to the journalists to do, but then I am surprised I can find no picture without his face hidden.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:25 pm
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Who censored the pictures of Tarrant at the court? Given that the method of censorship is different I assume it was left to the journalists to do, but then I am surprised I can find no picture without his face hidden.
You won't find any unblurred pictures of Tarrant in court due to the judge's ruling that all court pictures published by the media must have his face blurred, which isn't a surprise due to the mass censorship that the nz government are already attempting to enforce
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:23 pm
Censorship is always a bad decision. The mystery that they will create will boost his legacy, just like Columbine.
Bunch of soft people...
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:25 pm
I find it amusing that the keyboard player in Serbia Strong, Slobodan Vrga, Â has uploaded their video, also under the name Serbia Strong. He uploaded it last year, and also confirmed that the accordion player, Novislav Djacic is not the Novislav Djacic indicted for participation in genocide.
Using google translate
Quote :
We made this recording in 1995 near Knin on the way to Plavn. Together we agreed on the text. No original shot has been released because it is lost. If we find him, we will set him up. Follow us and be the first to see him. The video was created during the war at a time when Dudakovic and Alijin's corps began to merged and the intention was not hatred but the rise of morale. War is the evil of all of us and NEVER be repeated again. It is not your enemy who you are fighting against, but who is sending you to war. We live in good and bad with our nations and take care of everything so God and God will guard you. Cheers!
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:32 am
I'm not sure anyone has talked about it here so for the record:
Brenton Tarrant wrote:
The Christchurch and Linwood mosques had far more invaders, in a moreprominent and optically foreign building, with less students,more adults and a prior history of extremism. Attacking these mosques also allowed for an extra planned attack on the mosque in Ashburton, whilst I am unsure as of this time of writing whether I will reach that target, it was a bonus objective.
He was really ambitious because the Ashburton mosque is quite far, especially with the police after him.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:01 pm
Canada is thinking about changing guns law after the New Zealand massacre...
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:14 pm
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Canada is thinking about changing guns law after the New Zealand massacre...
Oh, so the Quebec City mosque and Danforth shooting wasn't enough, but this is?
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:41 pm
Exactly. ;)
And we are sorry for that too
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:48 pm
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Icarius wrote:
Canada is thinking about changing guns law after the New Zealand massacre...
Oh, so the Quebec City mosque and Danforth shooting wasn't enough, but this is?
Sounds like their trying to show the rest of the world how "progressive" and "virtuous" they are
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:49 pm
Gun control in NZ and Australia work because they are isolated landmasses. Anywhere else is easily accessed through land or boat illegal crossings. Like the US, if you cut down in the US, you can still get guns from Mexico and Central America.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:30 pm
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Like the US, if you cut down in the US, you can still get guns from Mexico and Central America.
Plus, the fact that there are more firearms than people makes "cutting down" on guns in the first place somewhat difficult.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:22 am
Do we know if he managed to shoot or even kill bystanders?
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:34 pm
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Do we know if he managed to shoot or even kill bystanders?
He shot people out his car window up the road. Atleast one was injured.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:58 pm
Does anyone have an archive of his twitter by any chance ? Also does anyone have any pictures of the second rifle he used ? I remember seeing a photo of it earlier but now I can't find it
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:39 am
Before Tarrant, Mohamed Merah had already filmed his attacks with a GoPro. He even edited it, added religious messages, songs praising Jihad, flags and pictures of Palestinian children killed by Israelian people. He sent his video to Al Jazira who decided not to publish it.
The terrorist from the Hyper Cacher also had a GoPro but didin't publish the video. I think since these two attacks it became easier to post violent videos on mainstream medias.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:20 am
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:21 am
Neah wrote:
Before Tarrant, Mohamed Merah had already filmed his attacks with a GoPro. He even edited it, added religious messages, songs praising Jihad, flags and pictures of Palestinian children killed by Israelian people. He sent his video to Al Jazira who decided not to publish it.
The terrorist from the Hyper Cacher also had a GoPro but didin't publish the video. I think since these two attacks it became easier to post violent videos on mainstream medias.
So did the shooter at the Jewish Museum of Belgium, though his wasn't working. I REALLY REALLY WISH that Al-Jazeera published the Merah one, so frustrating. I wonder if you have Freedom of Information requests in France? If you do you could ask the police for it.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:33 am
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Neah wrote:
Before Tarrant, Mohamed Merah had already filmed his attacks with a GoPro. He even edited it, added religious messages, songs praising Jihad, flags and pictures of Palestinian children killed by Israelian people. He sent his video to Al Jazira who decided not to publish it.
The terrorist from the Hyper Cacher also had a GoPro but didin't publish the video. I think since these two attacks it became easier to post violent videos on mainstream medias.
So did the shooter at the Jewish Museum of Belgium, though his wasn't working. I REALLY REALLY WISH that Al-Jazeera published the Merah one, so frustrating. I wonder if you have Freedom of Information requests in France? If you do you could ask the police for it.
I don't think we have such a right in France, although I know at least one journalist saw it (he described it, I could tell you what was in the video if you want). Maybe if you have a legitimate reason to watch it you can ask but I don't see why they would allow someone like me to see the footage. I wouldn't watch it anyway... He killed children, I cannot watch such a thing, it would be unbearable. The video was so unbearable and graphic that they did not show it during the trial, because some families wanted it to be shown and some didn't.
edit: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] apparently he said he published it online but if he did, the video hasn't be found yet.
Wanna know something really frustrating? Tarrant's manifesto is now banned in NZ, how ridiculous. "Possession of the manifesto carries a maximum prison sentence of 10 years and anyone who shares it can be jailed for 14 years."
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:56 am
Neah wrote:
InsaneIntruder wrote:
Neah wrote:
Before Tarrant, Mohamed Merah had already filmed his attacks with a GoPro. He even edited it, added religious messages, songs praising Jihad, flags and pictures of Palestinian children killed by Israelian people. He sent his video to Al Jazira who decided not to publish it.
The terrorist from the Hyper Cacher also had a GoPro but didin't publish the video. I think since these two attacks it became easier to post violent videos on mainstream medias.
So did the shooter at the Jewish Museum of Belgium, though his wasn't working. I REALLY REALLY WISH that Al-Jazeera published the Merah one, so frustrating. I wonder if you have Freedom of Information requests in France? If you do you could ask the police for it.
I don't think we have such a right in France, although I know at least one journalist saw it (he described it, I could tell you what was in the video if you want). Maybe if you have a legitimate reason to watch it you can ask but I don't see why they would allow someone like me to see the footage. I wouldn't watch it anyway... He killed children, I cannot watch such a thing, it would be unbearable. The video was so unbearable and graphic that they did not show it during the trial, because some families wanted it to be shown and some didn't.
edit: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] apparently he said he published it online but if he did, the video hasn't be found yet.
Wanna know something really frustrating? Tarrant's manifesto is now banned in NZ, how ridiculous. "Possession of the manifesto carries a maximum prison sentence of 10 years and anyone who shares it can be jailed for 14 years."
Can you show the journalist's description?
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:23 am
InsaneIntruder wrote:
Can you show the journalist's description?
Unfortunately it is in French and right now I don't have time to summarize it or translate it. Here are some interesting articles translated by Google Translate, I hope this is understandable. If there is a peculiar point or sentence you don't understand feel free to ask and I'll tell you. Or if you want I could translate/summarize anything you want in two days:
I read through the translated articles quickly and saw that the last words of soldier Imad Ibn Ziaten were poorly translated so I just translate them because I think he deserves admiration: Merah: "Lie flat on your stomach! I'm not kidding, lie flat on your stomach!" Imad Ibn Ziaten: "I am not lying flat on my stomach. Clear off! I'm not lying flat on my stomach, I stay (...) You gonna shoot? Go on then, shoot." [Merah shoot]
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:27 pm
Neah wrote:
Wanna know something really frustrating? Tarrant's manifesto is now banned in NZ, how ridiculous. "Possession of the manifesto carries a maximum prison sentence of 10 years and anyone who shares it can be jailed for 14 years."
Jesus Christ. That sentence is about as harsh as getting caught with child porn in the States. This is an absurdity.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:04 pm
QuestionMark wrote:
Neah wrote:
Wanna know something really frustrating? Tarrant's manifesto is now banned in NZ, how ridiculous. "Possession of the manifesto carries a maximum prison sentence of 10 years and anyone who shares it can be jailed for 14 years."
Jesus Christ. That sentence is about as harsh as getting caught with child porn in the States. This is an absurdity. Â
In France the sentence for a rape is 15 years.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:16 pm
I'm not sure if they've been posted already, but here's the main files for whoever needs them.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:32 pm
CVA made a video about the Shooting:
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:04 pm
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:14 pm
I was very surprised when he started shooting through the windshield. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] As I know you know well about guns, as the bullet had first to break the glass, could it have had an impact on the precision or strength or the bullet?
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:20 pm
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I was very surprised when he started shooting through the windshield. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] As I know you know well about guns, as the bullet had first to break the glass, could it have had an impact on the precision or strength or the bullet?
It depends, as he was using a shotgun (most likely 12 gauge), it had to be either a slug or a shell, if it was a shell then some of the pellets would have been weakened and probably would have hit the ground (as pellets spread when being fired). If it was a slug, then the precision wouldn't have been weakened that much for it not to hit his victims.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:29 pm
Tommy QTR wrote:
Neah wrote:
I was very surprised when he started shooting through the windshield. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] As I know you know well about guns, as the bullet had first to break the glass, could it have had an impact on the precision or strength or the bullet?
It depends, as he was using a shotgun (most likely 12 gauge), it had to be either a slug or a shell, if it was a shell then some of the pellets would have been weakened and probably would have hit the ground (as pellets spread when being fired). If it was a slug, then the precision wouldn't have been weakened that much for it not to hit his victims.
Although Shotguns are not my expertise.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:31 pm
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Tommy QTR wrote:
Neah wrote:
I was very surprised when he started shooting through the windshield. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] As I know you know well about guns, as the bullet had first to break the glass, could it have had an impact on the precision or strength or the bullet?
It depends, as he was using a shotgun (most likely 12 gauge), it had to be either a slug or a shell, if it was a shell then some of the pellets would have been weakened and probably would have hit the ground (as pellets spread when being fired). If it was a slug, then the precision wouldn't have been weakened that much for it not to hit his victims.
Although Shotguns are not my expertise.
Thanks! I'm not sure it was his expertise either, he probably didn't even wonder about it and just shot out of rage.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:09 pm
I was just thinking, considering how Brenton Tarrant was a North Korean tourist, is there the possibility of him making a random appearance in one of those Western tourist documentaries/footage?
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] "Social media places him in Pakistan in October of last year and in North Korea, where he was photographed in a tour group visiting the Samjiyon Grand Monument."
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:28 pm
Brenton Tarrant about why he chose these two mosques wrote:
The Christchurch and Linwood mosques had far more invaders, in a more prominent and optically foreign building, with less students,more adults and a prior history of extremism.
Why was he interested in it having less students and more adults? Was it because he thought it would make people there more radical because less educated? Or because he thought that a student would be fitter and could possibly stop him? Or because he thought people would be sadder if victims were young?
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:27 am
He follows in Breivik's footsteps:
"The Australian white supremacist accused of killing 50 worshippers in two Christchurch mosques has lodged a complaint over prison conditions, New Zealand authorities say."
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:40 am
Neah wrote:
Brenton Tarrant about why he chose these two mosques wrote:
The Christchurch and Linwood mosques had far more invaders, in a more prominent and optically foreign building, with less students,more adults and a prior history of extremism.
Why was he interested in it having less students and more adults? Was it because he thought it would make people there more radical because less educated? Or because he thought that a student would be fitter and could possibly stop him? Or because he thought people would be sadder if victims were young?
Perhaps he considered adult Muslims a greater threat to Western society.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:37 pm
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As fucked up as it sounds, I wonder why he didn't carry on shooting at the second mosque after he had been disarmed? In the live stream video, you can clearly see that he had two shotguns and an AK rifle.
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I heard that they were two guys who showed up to the scene with their own weapons intent on trying to help the police or apprehend Tarrant. They ofc got arrested by the cops because the police didn't know what their intentions were at the time (which is why initially they were saying that they had arrested 4 people in connections with the attacks).
"The man accused of killing 50 people in attacks on two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch has been ordered to undergo a mental health assessments.
High Court judge Cameron Mander said Brenton Tarrant would be seen by experts to determine whether he was fit to stand trial or insane.
The 28-year-old who has been moved to New Zealand's only maximum-security prison in Auckland, appeared at the Christchurch High Court through a video link.
Handcuffed and seated, the Australian national was wearing a grey prison t-shirt as listened calmly throughout the hearing, which lasted roughly 20 minutes. He did not speak during the hearing and was not required to submit a plea. [...] It had been reported that Tarrant wished to represent himself and legal experts had warned that he may try to use the hearings as a platform to present his ideology and beliefs.
However, it later emerged that he would be represented by two Auckland lawyers. One of them, Shane Tait, said in a statement on his website, which did not include any comments on the case."
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So he didn't have automatic guns. I heard journalists who pretended to know well about guns and said they could recognize he used automatic ones but I didn't trust them. This is such a journalist thing to say, in France they keep saying automatic for semi-automatic. They know nothing about it and prefer things to be even more sensational than what they already are.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:25 pm
[Sorry rant, tell me if I should post this somewhere else. Seemed relevant to Christchurch]
Honestly the amount of censoring that is coming from this massacre is somewhat terrifying. The thought that authorities can just make illegality for possessing fucking words? I mean, jail time of ten fucking years just for having a written document? And making it frowned upon to even look at his face? I'm sorry, I get the mindset, but jesus fucking christ so much for the "free world".
You can't censor someone out of existence, and you can't take away an idea, no matter if it's awful or not. It's got those weird Dystopian Utopia vibes to me, where no ones allowed to "learn about the bad people" and then 5 years from now we have to start taking happy pills that cut off parts of our brain hahaha. I know that's super far thinking, but it just seems like the beginning of that mindset, that erasing "the bad" from life is gonna make things at all better...
I hope people on this forum, out of anyone, would understand too, that just blatantly scrubbing something like this of any details isn't going to truly solve anything. It's just one step further to ignorance, censoring people of any "icky bad scary stuf" so we can be more complacent and not see the people behind these cases. As much as people hate to admit it, yea people who do this are people. Who'd write and create and think and feel and, low and behold, get these sort of ideas regardless of what's out there. Painting them more and more as faceless, nameless monsters isn't going to change that a damn bit. You're erasing bits of history for some political reasoning, I mean imagine if Mein Kampf or any evidence from the holocaust was taken...people would think it didn't happen...oh...wait...
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:37 pm
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree with you and your post is not off topic at all. If you want someone has created a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], if you are interested in reading what some of us think about the issues you raised. I think they are very important things that are happening right now and I'm quite worried about it.
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Subject: Re: Shooting at Christchurch Mosque Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:46 pm
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree with you and your post is not off topic at all. If you want someone has created a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], if you are interested in reading what some of us think about the issues you raised. I think they are very important things that are happening right now and I'm quite worried about it.
That's just what I would've been lookin for too, thanks. And I'm glad you agree.