The small questions thread

Where did Dylan drop his trenchcoat? I know there's an evidence picture showing Eric'. Is there no picture of Dylans?

C#major wrote:

Where did Dylan drop his trenchcoat? I know there's an evidence picture showing Eric'. Is there no picture of Dylans?

In the library.

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Do we have any documents relating to what was found in Eric & Dylan's cars on 4/20?

04daviszoe wrote:

Do we have any documents relating to what was found in Eric & Dylan's cars on 4/20?

If you go to pages 010532 - 010535 of the 11 K,  you will see a report of the investigation on Dylan's car and what was found inside. Here is a screen shot of the 2nd page which basically gives you a list of what was found. There are some other photos floating around from 2004 when Jefferson County put a lot of evidence on display. The photos include things that were found in Eric's car. I will add that photo as well in a little bit. If you go to this thread, there is a direct link to the 11 K via Acolumbinesite. It's very easy to use through that site. The owner keeps it very organized.

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Edit: I know you were asking for actual documents. I don't have any actual documents as to what was found in Eric's car like I do with Dylan's but this may also be helpful (this picture has been posted in the past so you may have seen it already, but if not; Evidence from inside of Eric's car that was on display back in 2004).

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Th items on the right side, is one of them the sawed off bb gun but with a flash light taped to the barrel?

radaddio wrote:

Th items on the right side, is one of them the sawed off bb gun but with a flash light taped to the barrel?

Yes, you can get a better look at these home-made fake weapons they made in their videos called 'Radioactive Clothing' and 'Hitmen for Hire'.

Jenn wrote:

04daviszoe wrote:

Do we have any documents relating to what was found in Eric & Dylan's cars on 4/20?

If you go to pages 010532 - 010535 of the 11 K,  you will see a report of the investigation on Dylan's car and what was found inside. Here is a screen shot of the 2nd page which basically gives you a list of what was found. There are some other photos floating around from 2004 when Jefferson County put a lot of evidence on display. The photos include things that were found in Eric's car. I will add that photo as well in a little bit. If you go to this thread, there is a direct link to the 11 K via Acolumbinesite. It's very easy to use through that site. The owner keeps it very organized.

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Edit: I know you were asking for actual documents. I don't have any actual documents as to what was found in Eric's car like I do with Dylan's but this may also be helpful (this picture has been posted in the past so you may have seen it already, but if not; Evidence from inside of Eric's car that was on display back in 2004).

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Thank you Jenn.

alt reality wrote:

Is black jacks pizza still there?

It might still exist, there is one that a mile or two west of the school, so it seems like it could be the same one.  It is also in the same shopping center as a Great Clips, which corresponds with what we know about Eric meeting a girl that worked at a Great Clips from her coming in to get pizza.

black jack didn´t exist anymore, but of course the place where it was exists.

FeurFenix wrote:

alt reality wrote:

Is black jacks pizza still there?

It might still exist, there is one that a mile or two west of the school, so it seems like it could be the same one.  It is also in the same shopping center as a Great Clips, which corresponds with what we know about Eric meeting a girl that worked at a Great Clips from her coming in to get pizza.

Yeah, there is a Blackjack Pizza and a Great Clips at the same strip mall, but where Eric and Dylan worked is now a Christian School, so sometime the places moved from West Ottawa Avenue, where old place was.

The building were Blackjack Pizza was back in 99 is now a taekwondo school/gym actually

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What was Dylan talking about in that short video clip behind Blackjack? He was wearing his NBK sunglasses.

Does anyone know if the Eric's and Dylan's parents ever met after Columbine and talked about what happened? Any record of that happening?

1891 wrote:

Does anyone know if the Eric's and Dylan's parents ever met after Columbine and talked about what happened? Any record of that happening?

Sue Klebold suggested they got together a couple times, but she will not disclose anything about the Harris' for their own privacy.

I read somewhere that Judy Brown and Sue Klebold had a falling out. What was their falling out about? I must've missed it. (Sorry I'm new here) Was it because they were friends with the Browns and the Browns have constantly milked media attention and divulge so many personal details?

ck17 wrote:

I read somewhere that Judy Brown and Sue Klebold had a falling out. What was their falling out about? I must've missed it. (Sorry I'm new here) Was it because they were friends with the Browns and the Browns have constantly milked media attention and divulge so many personal details?

Source?

They weren't close friends, which you might have thought before reading Sue's book. This is what Sue writes in her book, this is April 20th when the Klebolds are home at their house knowing that something is going on at Columbine and Dylan might be involved:


"I looked up to see a figure coming up the driveway. It was Judy Brown, the mother of one
of Dylan’s childhood friends, Brooks. Alerted by the Littleton rumor mill that Dylan was
involved in the events at the school, she had come to our house.

I was startled to see her. Our boys had been good friends in first and second grades and
then reunited in high school, but they hadn’t been close, and I’d only seen Judy a few times
in the years since elementary school. We’d chatted warmly a few weeks before, at a school
event, but we’d never done anything together except when our boys were involved, and I
wasn’t sure I could manage any social niceties.

I was too disoriented to question why she was
there, but it did seem odd for her to have materialized during this most private of times."

I read somewhere on this forum that Eric had a sister, possibly older? I never knew this. I always knew he had an older brother Kevin but not a sister! Is this true? Does anyone have any info on her if it is? Name? Pics? TIA!!!

TaylorsMom wrote:

I read somewhere on this forum that Eric had a sister, possibly older?  I never knew this. I always knew he had an older brother Kevin but not a sister!  Is this true?  Does anyone have any info on her if it is?  Name?  Pics?  TIA!!!

That is not true. He only had a brother.

Did the Harrises move? If so I wonder if they moved back to NY

Also I know the Klebolds stayed but I wonder if they sold the house after their divorce?

Thank you 1891!! I was wondering why I didn't already know this info from years of research!

With the new media of Dylan that was released alongside Sue's interview and book, it makes me wonder of the whereabouts of certain things. For example, an extended video of Dylan was released where he's being interviewed about college / scholarships for the Rebel News Network. Previously, there were some soundless clips of this same video lasting only a couple seconds. I assume Sue had this in her possession and gave it to the news, but in that case, does ABC / NBC (can't remember which program) have the entire video, and we, the public, only have access to the portion they release? Before the full(er) video was released, did a news agency already possess the extended version but hadn't gotten around to, or had no reason to show it? The same could apply to many photos / videos.

Does anyone have the names of the students who were hiding under the cafeteria tables?

I've always wondered if the library lights were on or off.

I just thought of this; Dylan died because of his emotions, Eric died because he lacked them. Think about it!

slippy123 wrote:

I just thought of this; Dylan died because of his emotions, Eric died because he lacked them. Think about it!

How did you come to that conclusion?

Jenn wrote:

slippy123 wrote:

I just thought of this; Dylan died because of his emotions, Eric died because he lacked them. Think about it!

How did you come to that conclusion?

Just by reading Dylans journal. He had alot of emotion, and its so deep and elaborate for a teenage boy. He just wanted love, and to be accepted, and from that is where his anger and depression steamed from
Eric, while yeah I guess he had some emotion, but I feel he had less and really just had that fuck it attitude. I guess its harder to explain that I thought.

slippy123 wrote:

Jenn wrote:

slippy123 wrote:

I just thought of this; Dylan died because of his emotions, Eric died because he lacked them. Think about it!

How did you come to that conclusion?

Just by reading Dylans journal. He had alot of emotion, and its so deep and elaborate for a teenage boy. He just wanted love, and to be accepted, and from that is where his anger and depression steamed from
Eric, while yeah I guess he had some emotion, but I feel he had less and really just had that fuck it attitude. I guess its harder to explain that I thought.

I was referring to Eric more so than Dylan. How did you come to the conclusion that Eric had no emotion?

I've got a couple of questions that don't justify making entire threads. Apologies if they have already been answered.

1) why did Dylan give Brooks the link to Eric's website? Surely he knew it'd get Eric in trouble?
2) Susan DeWitt mentions Eric was complaining on prom night about a friend who was making fun of him. She said he had previously mentioned this. Who was this friend? Does anyone know?

Thanks.

Belladonna wrote:

I've got a couple of questions that don't justify making entire threads. Apologies if they have already been answered.

1) why did Dylan give Brooks the link to Eric's website? Surely he knew it'd get Eric in trouble?
2) Susan DeWitt mentions Eric was complaining on prom night about a friend who was making fun of him. She said he had previously mentioned this. Who was this friend? Does anyone know?

Thanks.

About the link to the website, it has been said that it was actually Brooks' brother, Aaron, who found the website and that Brooks lied saying Dylan gave it to him.

Why did he lie about that?! I always had my doubts about Brooks but I never thought he'd flat out lie. I have missed a lot of insight into Brooks in the past few years I haven't looked into Columbine.

Belladonna wrote:

Why did he lie about that?! I always had my doubts about Brooks but I never thought he'd flat out lie. I have missed a lot of insight into Brooks in the past few years I haven't looked into Columbine.

I'm not sure why he'd lie about that, to be honest. Maybe to make it look like he was closer to Dylan than he actually was. In reality, Dylan was not that close with Brooks. Brooks acts like they hung out all the time and were really close friends but they weren't. Even Dylan's Mom said something along those lines in her book.

Brooks has said he used to lie a lot. I can't give you a source on it actually being Aaron Brown who found Eric's website but I have seen it said many times over the past few years. But with Brooks, because he is a known liar, I have doubts about anything he says.

I was reading some of Dr. Peter Langman's work and he mentioned in passing that Eric was "from a Catholic family".  Just curious if anyone else had heard this before.  The author doesn't give a source, so who knows where he got that information.  It piqued my interest because I'm pretty sure it's the first time I've heard/read anything specific about the Harris family's religious practices.

I'm a newbie, so I can't post outside links yet, but the article is on Dr. Langman's website - it's called "Influences on the Ideology of Eric Harris", page 5 of the PDF, bottom right section of the page.

A few months ago a user posted some video's he had made inside Columbine High School. I believe he presented himself as a student when asked by a teacher who he was. Rightfully so these video's were removed from the forums, yet I can't help being really curious as to what they contained. Are they out there somewhere?

C#major wrote:

A few months ago a user posted some video's he had made inside Columbine High School. I believe he presented himself as a student when asked by a teacher who he was. Rightfully so these video's were removed from the forums, yet I can't help being really curious as to what they contained. Are they out there somewhere?

They weren't removed from the forum on our part. We allowed him to share the photos and videos with the forum. He took them down himself. We're not really sure what his reason was as he didn't tell us. He just removed all the photos and videos and hasn't been back to the forum since. It's quite possible that he figured if someone from the school found out about, he could get in trouble for being an adult posing as a student and walking around the school filming.

As far as I know, he owned the only copy. And all they contained were him walking around the school while his girlfriend filmed. The quality wasn't that great because they had to try and keep the camera hidden so they didn't get caught. There wasn't really anything new that we haven't already seen via pictures available on the internet.

The thread does still exist. You'd probably have to go back a few pages though.

I PM him because I figured he was from NZ, and he was. I know what town he is from but there is an unlikely chance of ever finding him and asking him.

1)
i.Just a general question, because I don't know how it is in American schools. Why was there CCTV in the cafeteria but nowhere else in the school?
ii. If there was CCTV footage from the library, would you want to watch it?

2) What are your opinions on the rumours that E & D were homosexual/bisexual?

astrospace92 wrote:

1)
i.Just a general question, because I don't know how it is in American schools. Why was there CCTV in the cafeteria but nowhere else in the school?
ii. If there was CCTV footage from the library, would you want to watch it?

2) What are your opinions on the rumours that E & D were homosexual/bisexual?

The principal had the CCTV set up so he could find out which students were leaving behind trash on the tables. That's the one and only reason. And you can clearly see kids pushing other kids around on the footage, but nope, they didn't want to catch bullies or stop bullies/abuse to the students. They wanted to go after whoever left a Pepsi can on the tables.

I don't think either of the boys were gay or bisexual. They both wanted to date girls. Eric tried very hard to get dates but was usually unsuccessful. And Dylan was obsessed with a few different girls the last 2-3 years of his life.

Do you think the shooters were disappointed with the massacre? It was supposed to be much larger so I can imagine they were pretty pissed

yes, i think they were diappointed.

Jenn wrote:

astrospace92 wrote:

1)
i.Just a general question, because I don't know how it is in American schools. Why was there CCTV in the cafeteria but nowhere else in the school?
ii. If there was CCTV footage from the library, would you want to watch it?

2) What are your opinions on the rumours that E & D were homosexual/bisexual?

The principal had the CCTV set up so he could find out which students were leaving behind trash on the tables. That's the one and only reason. And you can clearly see kids pushing other kids around on the footage, but nope, they didn't want to catch bullies or stop bullies/abuse to the students. They wanted to go after whoever left a Pepsi can on the tables.

I don't think either of the boys were gay or bisexual. They both wanted to date girls. Eric tried very hard to get dates but was usually unsuccessful. And Dylan was obsessed with a few different girls the last 2-3 years of his life.

It really riles me up when I see interviews with the principle and he acts like he's compassionate and had no idea what was going on

Gctiger wrote:

I've always wondered if the library lights were on or off.

I would have to say they were on, since I don't recall any adult being told to, or having the time to, turn them off. Unless of course, E/D shot up some of the lights, I would have to guess that they were all on.

If they hadn't have killed themselves, would Columbine be as notorious (or at least as interesting to us fanatics**)?


*fanatics might not be the most appropriate word to use, but I can't think of a better one.

astrospace92 wrote:

If they hadn't have killed themselves, would Columbine be as notorious (or at least as interesting to us fanatics**)?


*fanatics might not be the most appropriate word to use, but I can't think of a better one.

I'd say it depends on whether they were living or dead. If they'd been captured I think I'd be less interesting as we'd not have to speculate as much as we'd have most answers to the questions we have.

I think if they'd have been killed by the cops in the glorious shoutout they envisioned, it might even be more notorious than it already is. Perhaps not any more interesting to us already researching, but I bet a fair few more would be into it if they'd gone out in a real blaze of glory than just blowing their own brains out hidden away in the library.

Radioactive_Clothing wrote:

astrospace92 wrote:

If they hadn't have killed themselves, would Columbine be as notorious (or at least as interesting to us fanatics**)?


*fanatics might not be the most appropriate word to use, but I can't think of a better one.

I'd say it depends on whether they were living or dead. If they'd been captured I think I'd be less interesting as we'd not have to speculate as much as we'd have most answers to the questions we have.

I think if they'd have been killed by the cops in the glorious shoutout they envisioned, it might even be more notorious than it already is. Perhaps not any more interesting to us already researching, but I bet a fair few more would be into it if they'd gone out in a real blaze of glory than just blowing their own brains out hidden away in the library.

Imagine if one was captured and one had died…depending which one was left alive would make a lot of difference too.

I was thinking the other day, with what we know, I think Dylan's family to would push for him to make an insanity plea to avoid the death penalty. However, I think Eric would have more "luck" with that due to the fact he was actually seeing a psychiatrist, was on medication and was displaying odd behaviour, whereas every one said Dyl was relatively normal.

astrospace92 wrote:

Radioactive_Clothing wrote:

astrospace92 wrote:

If they hadn't have killed themselves, would Columbine be as notorious (or at least as interesting to us fanatics**)?


*fanatics might not be the most appropriate word to use, but I can't think of a better one.

I'd say it depends on whether they were living or dead. If they'd been captured I think I'd be less interesting as we'd not have to speculate as much as we'd have most answers to the questions we have.

I think if they'd have been killed by the cops in the glorious shoutout they envisioned, it might even be more notorious than it already is. Perhaps not any more interesting to us already researching, but I bet a fair few more would be into it if they'd gone out in a real blaze of glory than just blowing their own brains out hidden away in the library.

Imagine if one was captured and one had died…depending which one was left alive would make a lot of difference too.

I was thinking the other day, with what we know, I think Dylan's family to would push for him to make an insanity plea to avoid the death penalty. However, I think Eric would have more "luck" with that due to the fact he was actually seeing a psychiatrist, was on medication and was displaying odd behaviour, whereas every one said Dyl was relatively normal.

That'd be quite an ironic punishment for Dylan if he did survive. The bugger couldn't wait to die. Imagine if they'd captured him and he had to spend the next 60 years sat in a jail cell with nothing but his thoughts.

I didn't want to make a whole thread about this because it's not all that important I guess, but does anyone know why the library became the main scene of carnage when the bombs failed to go off? Maybe it was because it was small and they could shoot people easily? I know they said 'all jocks stand up' but wouldn't it make more sense to look for jocks on a locker room or the gym? Or was it because the library was close to the cafeteria?

Belladonna wrote:

I didn't want to make a whole thread about this because it's not all that important I guess, but does anyone know why the library became the main scene of carnage when the bombs failed to go off?   Maybe it was because it was small and they could shoot people easily? I know they said 'all jocks stand up' but wouldn't it make more sense to look for jocks on a locker room or the gym? Or was it because the library was close to the cafeteria?

I'm not sure there's a definitive answer for this. I just always thought as it was quite a big room where there were likely a lot people. That, and the fact it was a good vantage point to shoot at cops.

Apparently there's a documentary called "13 families" and one of the victims parents said they met what the Harris family and not once did they apologise. What do you think about that?

Also, out of interest, where does everyone keep finding personal information and photos of their brother and family? They must really dig around!

astrospace92 wrote:

Apparently there's a documentary called "13 families" and one of the victims parents said they met what the Harris family and not once did they apologise. What do you think about that?

Also, out of interest, where does everyone keep finding personal information and photos of their brother and family? They must really dig  around!

It was Lauren Townsend's stepfather who said that.
He seems hostile towards both E &D's parents.
He complained about the Klebold's letter saying that it had no compassion in it and was written by their lawyer which I'm not sure is correct since they seemed to write all the victims themselves.
Then he said of course that Eric's parents didn't apologize when he saw them at the depositions.
Considering how he seems to feel about them ,maybe Eric's parents picked up on that and didn't feel comfortable saying anything.

PaintItBlack wrote:

astrospace92 wrote:

Apparently there's a documentary called "13 families" and one of the victims parents said they met what the Harris family and not once did they apologise. What do you think about that?

Also, out of interest, where does everyone keep finding personal information and photos of their brother and family? They must really dig  around!

It was Lauren Townsend's stepfather who said that.
He seems hostile towards both E &D's parents.
He complained about the Klebold's letter saying that it had no compassion in it and was written by their lawyer which I'm not sure is correct since they seemed to write all the victims themselves.
Then he said of course that Eric's parents didn't apologize when he saw them at the depositions.
Considering how he seems to feel about them ,maybe Eric's parents picked up on that and didn't feel comfortable saying anything.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Klebold's letters were vetting or at least discuss before writing, incase it did get them into legal trouble.

To be honest the "in a moment of madness" line would have riled me up. It implies it was an impulsive act and denies the 1-2 years the boys were planning it.