The small questions thread

REBdoomer1999 wrote:

Why do you think they didn't kill more people in the library? They were vulnerable under the tables, and not moving. Eric and Dylan could have moved from table to table shooting them all in the head, but chose not to. I know they wanted to play god and let some people go, but since their original goal for a kill count was in the hundreds, I would have expected them to kill more when they had the chance.

I suspect the up close and personal thing was a bit tougher than they imagined. I think the going downstairs to try to detonate the bombs was as much that as it was to have a break from the close killing.

Did the students know that there were cameras in the cafeteria? Would Eric and Dylan have been aware that their trips into the cafeteria would be recorded?

sscc wrote:

Did the students know that there were cameras in the cafeteria? Would Eric and Dylan have been aware that their trips into the cafeteria would be recorded?

If it was anything like my school, the cameras would be somewhat in the open and since it was the 90's probably pretty large. I would think the kids would know the cameras were there.

I think they would have known they were on camera and probably got a kick out of it.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree 100%. They knew. I wonder if they had the technology we have now, they would have recorded parts of it or released things on social media like Randy Stair did.

Littlelo wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree 100%. They knew. I wonder if they had the technology we have now, they would have recorded parts of it or released things on social media like Randy Stair did.

There was some boy who did a stabbing in a school somewhere like Sweden who had a GoPro on. I guess Eric and Dylan would have got a kick out of having them on them.

I believe the security cameras were in the hand drawn diagram Eric and Dylan made of the cafeteria when figuring out the positioning of the bombs and when the most students were in the cafeteria, so yes, I believe they knew damn well they were there and probably loved every minute of it.

In Zero Hour, after the actors who play E & D leave the library to head back to the commons and roam around the school....they had the actors have an almost disconnected or disbelieving look on their faces, like holy shit, we actually did it. Do you guys think that's how it really was, or at this point in the ordeal do you think they were still all pumped up? I personally think they were in disbelief that they actually went through with it, they were uneasy about the close up kills and knew their lives were officially over. What are your thoughts?
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TaylorsMom wrote:

I believe the security cameras were in the hand drawn diagram Eric and Dylan made of the cafeteria when figuring out the positioning of the bombs and when the most students were in the cafeteria, so yes, I believe they knew damn well they were there and probably loved every minute of it.

In Zero Hour, after the actors who play E & D leave the library to head back to the commons and roam around the school....they had the actors have an almost disconnected or disbelieving look on their faces, like holy shit, we actually did it.  Do you guys think that's how it really was, or at this point in the ordeal do you think they were still all pumped up?  I personally think they were in disbelief that they actually went through with it, they were uneasy about the close up kills and knew their lives were officially over.  What are your thoughts?
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I think after they were done in the commons (after the library) you can see the defeat on them. Kinda lagging about not really knowing what to do. I know they roamed about turning on the gas in the lab to try to set an explosion and trying very little to get into a couple of locked rooms. I think by then they knew the police were showing up. They obv did not know they would have had a lot longer before they started to come in so I think both boys thought they were down to their final minutes.

I don't think killing was quite so glorious as Eric thought it would be.

So I have a question and since I am new here sorry if this question has already been asked before; but did they really like/ listen to Marilyn Manson's music?

Eric, no. I think they found 1 CD in Dylan's room. According to friends I guess he liked the beat of the music more so than the words.

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I think after they were done in the commons (after the library) you can see the defeat on them.  Kinda lagging about not really knowing what to do.  I know they roamed about turning on the gas in the lab to try to set an explosion and trying very little to get into a couple of locked rooms.  I think by then they knew the police were showing up.  They obv did not know they would have had a lot longer before they started to come in so I think both boys thought they were down to their final minutes.  

I don't think killing was quite so glorious as Eric thought it would be.[/quote]


Even Dylan was coming down from it, and he was having the time of his life.

There was a rumor going on that was supposedly debunked but while reading the 11k I noticed there was a page that said something to the extent of evidence taken out, no way to cover peoples names from yearbook" the rumor was in Eric's junior yearbook, the one Dylan wrote his "book" in he had wrote on peoples pictures "die" and "let live" doesn't that page prove that it might have been true?

Also anyone ever notice in Eric's planned 98-99, the page with the little calendar for the year on it. He crosses out the whole month of May?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I remember reading an article that claimed something to that effect. Who knows if they really "labeled" the people or if they just crossed them out, drew on their faces, wrote insults over them, etc. Part of me does think that Eric would have written "die" or "kill" over at least a few people who he really disliked.

Did E&D really think their friends would be able to have any of their things after the massacre? They told Chris Morris and Nate Dykeman they could have their computers and other stuff in the final basement tape...how could they have thought those items wouldn't be confiscated by police?

Sue says one of Dylan's friends (Nate, I believe) took a pair of his sunglasses from his room to remember him by. I'm pretty sure reading that part of her book made me a little emotional.

I think they may have actually thought it would happen in that particular moment. E&D were a wee bit naive in that regard.

I agree. They probably didn't think the cops would take things as evidence.

Which is strange, considering their original idea of sending TBT to news stations because they feared the police would either take them and never release them, or cut them up in some way. They were right about one thing.

Littlelo, yes Nate took a pair of his sunglasses, it made me tear up too.

Has Sue Klebold ever talked about 9/11? I wonder what it was like to wake up knowing that it would have been Dylan's 20th birthday and that you would be mourning on your own and then to hear the news that thousands of people had died and know that the entire country was mourning. Did they have access to the content of Eric's rant about hijacking a plane and crashing it into New York City by September of 2001? I feel like it would have been supremely eerie to anyone who knew about that on the day that it happened.

sscc wrote:

Has Sue Klebold ever talked about 9/11? I wonder what it was like to wake up knowing that it would have been Dylan's 20th birthday and then hear the news that thousands of people had died. Did they have access to the content of Eric's rant about hijacking a plane and crashing it into New York City by September of 2001? I feel like it would have been supremely eerie to anyone who knew about that on the day that it happened.

I have actually wondered this before. It's so crazy to think about how she must have felt, on top of the emotions of remembering Dylan. At that point he had only been gone for a little over 2 years.

I'm not sure if she knew about their hijacking plan in 2001. October 1999 is when they saw a lot of evidence including the basement tapes. 2006 is when a majority of ther writings and such were made available to the public. It would be interesting to know.

Eric writing that and then 9/11 happening on Dylan's Birthday was Eerie.

I wonder if she could even process her emotions regarding the WTC while dealing with her own loss and stressors.

I think CHS made a statement around that time of sympathy... I don't remember the next shooting after Columbine so it could have been that.

If you were there that day on 4/20 and had a child later, would you want them to go to CHS?

Screamingophelia wrote:

Eric writing that and then 9/11 happening on Dylan's Birthday was Eerie.

I wonder if she could even process her emotions regarding the WTC while dealing with her own loss and stressors.

I think CHS made a statement around that time of sympathy... I don't remember the next shooting after Columbine so it could have been that.

If you were there that day on 4/20 and had a child later, would you want them to go to CHS?

In regards to your question, I think logically it doesn't make sense to be worried to send your kid to CHS, since the killers are long gone. However, if you are worried about copycat attacks or bullying, that is a different story. I'm sure security there is crazy these days.

I was thinking more along the lines of bullying. I bet it would depend on how you handled it throughout the years. If you were still having PTSD issues or anxiety you may not like the general idea of your child going to CHS because of your own memories.

This is going to be a dumb question, I apologize.

I've seen the scans of the CHS yearbook pages. Are those just released drafts of the yearbook?

The students who have the 1999 yearbook, how much Eric and Dylan are actually IN the yearbook that they have? Is the one picture that is super blurry of Eric walking down the hall in it?

Screamingophelia wrote:

Is the one picture that is super blurry of Eric walking down the hall in it?

I think that one was left out of the year book. BUT I would LOVE to see a clearer version of it.

I would too! You're talking about the one with a description of what he is wearing next to the picture, right? I think he has sunglasses on.

Littlelo wrote:

I would too! You're talking about the one with a description of what he is wearing next to the picture, right? I think he has sunglasses on.

Yep, that's the one.

Yes! Candid shots of Eric were taken for the yearbook 2 years in a row. His junior year one in the cafeteria then the one in his senior year.

AFAIK Eric and Dylan were only pictured on their actual class photos. There is a listing in the back of the book showing which pages kids are on. Both Eric and Dylan only have 1 listing

Screamingophelia wrote:

Yes! Candid shots of Eric were taken for the yearbook 2 years in a row. His junior year one in the cafeteria then the one in his senior year.

Well he was very photogenic..

Were they taken out of the full class photo?

Were Nate and Devon's little ads taken out? Devon mentions Dylan in her good bye to seniors snippet

Eric was photogenic I will give him that much. ;)

Screamingophelia wrote:

Were they taken out of the full class photo?

Were Nate and Devon's little ads taken out? Devon mentions Dylan in her good bye to seniors snippet

Eric was photogenic I will give him that much. ;)

They were in the full shot. But being that neither was in any extracurricular activities and Eric's candid was removed, they were not in any extras

Thanks!

I assume their senior portrait was not in there either.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I assume their senior portrait was not in there either.

Those were in there. Their individual shots were included among the other single student photos.

I was glad they decided to keep them in the yearbook, but I still can't believe they chose to.

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Thank you Lizpuff!!

Anyone else find it odd that "I'm Not Ashamed" included a scene where Eric grabbed Rachel's hair before he killed her, but Rachel actually had pretty short hair at the time? Did her family just ignore that fact to try and push the story they accept of what happened that day?

Here she is getting ready for Prom a few days before the shooting. (Photo originally posted by user Juicy Jazzy)
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I think they did ignore it. From what I understand her friends weren't happy about the film and said they didn't get Rachel at all and she would have hated all of this martyr stuff.

Did Dylan do the sound for Smoke in the Room?

That movie was crap from start to finish. A classic example of overplayed, over dramatized religious fluff.

When even Rachel's own friends disliked the film, that should tell you something about the truth and accuracy of it.

I listened to the God Awful Movies podcast about the movie and that was enough.

Some reviews from people who were like "We are NOT sympathetic to the shooters at all, but since when are they cartoon villains, this is awful, everything is awful"

Screamingophelia wrote:

I listened to the God Awful Movies podcast about the movie and that was enough.

Some reviews from people who were like "We are NOT sympathetic to the shooters at all, but since when are they cartoon villains, this is awful, everything is awful"

That was probably one of its best reviews!

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Lol

Littlelo wrote:

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Lol

That's a clear look of regret.

(So this was originally its own thread, but I'll just post this here instead since I requested that thread to be deleted for the sake of not being repetitive.)

So I haven't gotten any sort of true answers, if any, for these questions:

1) Why didn't Eric or Dylan kill any jocks (white-hat individuals) if they constantly had a hatred of such individuals?
2) In the Hitman for Hire video, what was/were the song(s) muted? Are there any copies left without any sort of alterations?
3) Overused question, but just want to see where this forum stands on this: Have you guys accepted that the basement tapes are gone forever?
4) Did Eric or Dylan like Marilyn Manson? I heard some conflicting reports where one or both of them disliked Marilyn, or it might have been something else.
5) Where does this forum stand on the controversy around Rachel Scott (e.g., 13 tears, the god conversation she had with Eric before she died, I'm Not Ashamed, etc.)?
6) Did Eric Harris do any sort of art projects (since looking at his journal, his art is drawn great)? Could have been at Columbine or outside of school.
7) In the Zero Hour documentary (around 29:08 minutes into it), Eric encounters a girl and says "Do you want to die, huh? Well... we're all gonna die. We were going to blow up the school anyway." And didn't shoot at her. If this actually happened, who was she and why didn't Eric shoot her?

I just had these questions lingering in my mind for a while, so I hope I get some concluding answers.

Foxofgrey wrote:

(So this was originally its own thread, but I'll just post this here instead since I requested that thread to be deleted for the sake of not being repetitive.)

So I haven't gotten any sort of true answers, if any, for these questions:

1) Why didn't Eric or Dylan kill any jocks (white-hat individuals) if they constantly had a hatred of such individuals?
2) In the Hitman for Hire video, what was/were the song(s) muted? Are there any copies left without any sort of alterations?
3) Overused question, but just want to see where this forum stands on this: Have you guys accepted that the basement tapes are gone forever?
4) Did Eric or Dylan like Marilyn Manson? I heard some conflicting reports where one or both of them disliked Marilyn, or it might have been something else.
5) Where does this forum stand on the controversy around Rachel Scott (e.g., 13 tears, the god conversation she had with Eric before she died, I'm Not Ashamed, etc.)?
6) Did Eric Harris do any sort of art projects (since looking at his journal, his art is drawn great)? Could have been at Columbine or outside of school.
7) In the Zero Hour documentary (around 29:08 minutes into it), Eric encounters a girl and says "Do you want to die, huh? Well... we're all gonna die. We were going to blow up the school anyway." And didn't shoot at her. If this actually happened, who was she and why didn't Eric shoot her?

I just had these questions lingering in my mind for a while, so I hope I get some concluding answers.

Alright lets just jump right into this!

1. In my opinion E&D's issues were with the entire school and the community. NOT just the jocks. They wanted to take down the whole school. No they didn't go looking for jocks to shoot. BUT the bombs in the cafeteria were supposedly placed at/under the tables where all the jocks sat. So if they had worked as planned, then that would have likely caused a lot of injuries maybe a few deaths, as there are a lot of debates about how effective those bombs would have been if they had worked.

2. I'm not sure any remain that haven't been altered. Check Youtube.

3. I still hold out hope that a copy of the basement tapes is hidden out there somewhere.

4. Dylan had a MM cd and a MM poster in his room, so one would assume he did indeed like MM. I don't think I have come across anything saying that Eric either liked or hated MM.

5. In my opinion, based on evidence it likely didn't happen. I don't think Eric stopped and grabbed her by her very short hair and had a religious conversation with her during a massacre. The movie was Religious Propaganda, and even Rachel's friends had issues with it.

6. Other then his doodles in his journals etc, I'm not aware that Eric did any Art related things.

7. That would be Bree Pasquale. Yes that really did happen. Her witness statements are in the 11k. Eric supposedly made her beg for her life. He asked her several times if she wanted to die, and she kept saying "NO". Then he told her that every one was going to die, because they were going to blow up the school.

2. There was a HFH video that I saw with some music in it, I believe it was supposed to be Wilder Wine

3. I think there are copies

5. I agree with Shadowed and honestly with their timeline being SO structured they didn't really have enough time to get into a conversation with anyone with the bombs about to go off. Hence why Brooks was told to go home.

As for Marilyn Manson, Devon said that Dylan liked more of the music than the lyrics of songs, so if he had a good beat in some of his songs then he probably really liked it.

Additional Question- Were they outside when the bombs did not go off? Sue goes over the timeline in detail but I'm not sure where they were at the times the bombs were supposed to detonate.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Additional Question- Were they outside when the bombs did not go off? Sue goes over the timeline in detail but I'm not sure where they were at the times the bombs were supposed to detonate.

To my understanding they were outside waiting for the bombs to blow, when they realized the bombs had failed was when they started shooting at Rachel and Richard.

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Littlelo wrote:

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Lol

That's a clear look of regret.

This is great! Though I don't like the writing they do for Dylan in general. He had more words in his vocabulary than "huh" and "oh" I think Zero Hour Dylan was pretty good, and this Dylan looks a little more like actual Dylan. At least he has the long hair. However WHY can't they give the actor a nice patchy blonde beard and mustache. The pictures are super blurry but sometimes I get a hint of this mess I hear of on Dylan's face with his blonde beard...

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Additional Question- Were they outside when the bombs did not go off? Sue goes over the timeline in detail but I'm not sure where they were at the times the bombs were supposed to detonate.

To my understanding they were outside waiting for the bombs to blow, when they realized the bombs had failed was when they started shooting at Rachel and Richard.

Thank you!!